'The Disaster Artist' Writers On The Adaptation Process And Their Favorite Tommy Wiseau Story [Interview]

Thanks for speaking with me today. I've been a fan of you guys since (500) Days of Summer.

Weber: Thanks for wanting to speak with the writers!

Neustadter: Thank you very much.

So you have written a lot of film adaptations of books, but none that are quite like this.

Weber: This is our first true story!

Is it? I guess that's true, yeah.

Neustadter: Well, second. (laughs)

Oh, because of (500) Days? [Note: that film was inspired by two actual relationships Scott had before writing.]

Neustadter: Right.

So can you talk about the balance of working on a project that essentially has three different types of source material: The Room, Greg's book, and real life. What was it like for you guys to put this together?

Weber: As far as real life, meeting those guys was not a factor upon initially writing it. Scott and I had different experiences with The Room. He watched it before we started. Neither of us were early Room fanatics. We had seen the billboard, we knew about the phenomenon. I waited until after we wrote the first draft to watch it, specifically so that we could approach it from different angles. The goal was a movie that the super-fans [of The Room] would love, but could also work if you've never even heard of The Room. I'd say the book is probably the largest piece of source material, and if you've read the book, it's great. The hardest challenge for us was paring down, because there's so much good stuff in there that this could have been a six-hour miniseries if we wanted it to be.

Neustadter: And we had gotten some audio recordings that Tommy had made of himself. We had gotten a few ancillary things to use as research. Like he said, this is our first real true story, and we approached that from a very journalistic, anthropological way, and it was fun. It was a very cool experience where you knew you only go here (draws a line) before you were lying.

Weber: And we wanted to do right by these guys. It wasn't that long ago that we were two outsiders who shared a dream and were desperate to find a way to break into this business and make movies. We love movies. We saw that in them. That's sort of the heart of the movie that we were always going for, was them as struggling dreamers and that bond they had. And obviously that bond is tested through the making of this movie.

That totally comes through. That's the best part of the film.

Weber: Cool!

Neustadter: Thank you!

So how interested were you guys in finding and telling the truth, versus using these characters as a springboard for your own versions of events?

Neustadter: I think we were following the memoir semi-closely in that we knew we were eventually going to have to look these people in the eye and explain our choices. I think we were fascinated by the real. In this particular case – I guess in most cases – the real is way more interesting than anything we're going to come up with. It's crazy. It's funny, because when we were testing this movie initially with an audience of people, the one thing that they said at the end, which we couldn't believe, was that they didn't think any of this was true. Even though it says, 'Based on a True Story,' they just thought it was another Franco/Rogen [project], making something up and a funny character they were doing. The side by sides – some people still watch this movie and cannot believe, until the side-by-sides, that there is footage out there like what we shot. So that's something that I think we, in telling the story, were cognizant of. Truth is stranger than fiction. Let's lean in on more of what actually went down. And there are enough mysteries that go unanswered that we kept in the soufflé also.

I was just speaking with Paul Scheer, and he was telling me that you guys were able to watch a lot of the footage that Tommy requested be shot during the making of The Room, and he said the parts where people assume the writers might be fudging the truth a little bit, it all actually happened in that footage.

Weber: Why make it up? We didn't need to.

So what kind of artistic licenses did you take?

Weber: There had to be some crafting. This is a shoot that dragged on for months. We had to encapsulate this in a short period of time. We had to keep in mind that the tension of, 'Can the friendship survive the experience of making this movie?' is what should remain at the forefront. So deciding what parts of The Room are things we see at the premiere, or just things in the recreations, versus what's the backdrop of certain scenes? The day with no water and no heat is the breast cancer scene. Crafting all of that. Everything happened, but we had to cherrypick and craft a little, because again, this could have been six hours. But we didn't want to do that.

Neustadter: Greg was certainly a little more dubious in real life about going along with this than his portrayal in this, but because it's really about two friends who support each other, and they're each other's true believers – really the only ones in their lives who believed in one another – that was something I thought would be better for us to highlight than to introduce issues that would have spoiled that.

To that point, you guys have written a lot of love stories–

Weber: This is a love story, too!

That's what I was going to say: this is basically a love story between Greg and Tommy. Was that part of the attraction for you guys coming to this project?

Neustadter: I think so, yeah. Friendships are love stories in their own right. This one is so interesting. They're very different people, and yet their bond is stronger than any – it's hard to find two different people as close as those guys, which is fascinating.

Weber: We always viewed this as a relationship movie, just a different type of one. The backdrop is the making of a movie that lots of people love and care about now.

Were you guys regularly on set during the production?

Neustadter: Yeah, they shot it here, which was lovely. I live here, so that was nice. He's in New York.

Weber: I came out for a couple of months and we were there. Franco really created an environment on set that felt safe for everyone to take chances and bring their best. It was an interesting production too because The Room stuff was the first few weeks of shooting – the first, say, third of the shoot. Then the back two thirds of the shoot, it was mostly just James and Dave. More than the second half of it felt like a play almost. It was really just between these guys and their bond and the tension and all of that stuff.

Neustadter: And all of those guys are writers, so they were really respectful, and they invited us and were inclusive and they wanted us around, which is not something that you get all the time.

So what was it like watching James direct in character?

Weber: Bananas.

Neustadter: It was weird. He had the accent most of the time, he was dressed like that all of the time, because he was in almost every scene. He would come over and be like, 'Guys, we need to talk about script.' He would come over and do the accent, and we thought he was making a joke, but no, he needed to talk to us about page whatever.

Weber: But he wasn't ranting and raving. He wasn't causing a scene.

Neustadter: He was still James Franco, but he looked like a crazy person and he talked like a crazy person. But he was directing this movie incredibly well. He was so on top of things.

Weber: I think that's also credit to Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg, who really put forth a structure for Franco to succeed and thrive as a director. That was obviously quite a lot different than the other movies that James has directed before, and James will speak so well about this, but it was sort of the infrastructure that Seth and Evan set up that James was directing within. And then we're new to both of their worlds. I think a lot of times when you have people who come from a bunch of different worlds and try to make a movie together, it doesn't work. What's odd is we sort of had people grouped from a bunch of different worlds and it really melded into a coherent vision, which is amazing.

So how did you get hooked up with this project to start?

Neustadter: They came to us, which was really nice. They had read the book. Franco was like, 'Let's go, go, go, go!' and they're like, 'You know what? Hold on. Let's see if these guys want to do it.' Because it was an adaptation, and I'm sure we probably had conversations with [producer James] Weaver or somebody, like, 'We love Hollywood stories.' And Franco is obsessed with old Hollywood stories, too. So it felt like a good marriage of the minds there.

Weber: But we really didn't know. (To Scott) You and I always do a little film festival before we start writing anything, and we were watching and talking about movies that we love – Ed Wood, Boogie Nights, Sunset Boulevard, The Talented Mr. Ripley – as touchstones, and the first time we walked into Point Grey's office to meet Seth and Evan and James Franco, those were the movies they were talking about. Right off the bat, they walked in and were talking about Ed Wood and Boogie Nights. We were like, 'Cool. They have the same vision for this that we do.'

With actors like those guys, we normally associate them with a lot of improv. Did the cast generally stick closer to the script this time, or was there room to play around?

Neustadter: Probably a little bit of both. Certainly they were restricted in what they could do when they were recreating scenes from The Room, and it was so spot-on and so perfect. Then they would always do the takes that we would write, and then sort of try different things.

Weber: They would try some things, but they never wandered too far. It was interesting to talk to Brandan Trost, who's the DP who has shot most of Seth and Evan's other films, and he said, for him even, he really enjoyed this experience because of how close everyone stayed to the script. It allowed him to do more with the camera – which was sort of interesting. I'd never thought about that before. He said with a lot of their other movies, because there's so much room for improv, 'We'll just put the camera here, we'll do like one or two of what's in the script and then really let people explore for like an hour and do crazy things and then find it in the edit later.' But they really tried to stick closer to the script this time, which allowed a lot of people to do their jobs differently. Their approach to allowing so much improv really impacted many departments.

Neustadter: There would be a day, for example, when they were shooting the auditions [for The Room]. It was just their comedian friends coming down and that was so fun for us. Because we would write a thing, but we would be like, 'There's no way that whatever we write would be anywhere close to this.'

Weber: Totally.

What was the oddest bit of knowledge that you gleaned from watching that behind the scenes footage that was shot on the set of The Room?

Weber: I want to say – we will answer that – but from the beginning, we decided early on that The Disaster Artist was not going to be the Rosetta Stone of The Room. We weren't trying to decipher and answer all of the questions. Not only that we didn't want to, but we probably couldn't anyway. (laughs) The thing we've learned about having anything to do with The Room is, you answer one question and it leads to eight more questions. So for us, it was less like, 'Well, we have to make this an expose and like, who is really Tommy?' If there was any bit of that in our movie, it's really to service the tension and the friendship. That said, what did we learn that was weird?

Or maybe something that didn't make it into the final cut of the movie that you were thinking about or maybe inspired by? Some little moment that we might not know about?

Neustadter: I'll tell you a funny story from when we premiered it. Right before the premiere, Tommy and Greg are with us. I don't think he had seen the final, final cut yet.

Micheal: He had only seen the work in progress.

Neustadter: And he's pacing in the green room, and he's nervous. And I'm thinking about it, like, 'This is such a trip for this guy.' So I was like, 'Tommy, what are you feeling? What's it like to be here?' And he turns and he just said, 'I'm not here. This is my ghost.'

[Stunned silence.]

Neustadter: And you're like, 'Right on. OK! Cool.' That's Tommy Wiseau.

Wow. Well, one of my other questions was 'What's your favorite Tommy Wiseau story?' and it can't top that.

Neustadter: Yeah, he's a special guy. And he's not putting on a thing. It's just the way his brain thinks.

I went to the AFI Fest premiere last night and saw the film again. I love the movie – it's one of my favorites of the year. And Dave Franco is so great in it. I think James does tremendous work, but the second time I was watching it, I was like, 'Dave is incredible in a totally different kind of way.'

Weber: He really is the unsung hero performance. Because James' performance is brilliant, and James' performance is technical and big. It's so interesting. But Dave has to play this sort of babe in the woods, but you have to believe that he would go along for the ride. That he would hitch his wagon to that and then stay in it. And then he has to make such a hard choice. Tommy's pretty consistent up until the end when he shares some credit with Greg –

Neustadter: And I think you can see the motivation. Whereas the Greg motivation starts to get really foggy. It's like, 'Why, dude? Why?' You want to shake him out of it.

Weber: But that's what Dave brings! There's a humanity there that Dave finds in Greg where you start to understand, 'I'm stuck in this. I have to see this through. Partly because I'm in so deep, but partly because I do owe this guy.'

Neustadter: You feel bad. He feels guilty.

Weber: It's so human.

Neustadter: He's in a spot.

Seeing the real Greg and Tommy at the premiere last night, I noticed the height difference was reversed from the James and Dave. I don't know how that might have impacted you guys –

Neustadter: We were sent the book, and it was like, 'I'm playing Tommy and my brother is playing Greg.' And we knew to write to that. If we had one thing we were not going to worry about, it would be that.

Weber: But it's OK, because Tommy is such a larger than life figure, and Greg is sort of more low key. Greg feels like a California guy. He's really chill and kind of quiet, and Tommy's this force of nature. So it's almost as if the height that we have in The Disaster Artist represents that a little bit.

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The Disaster Artist is in theaters now.