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Harlan Ellison is a notoriously prickly fellow.  Aside from his many works, Ellison is infamous for his decade-long feud with Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry after he rewrote much of Ellison’s only Trek episode, “The City on the Edge of Forever.” Now that the franchise is in the hands of J.J. Abrams, Ellison is offering his services for the second film in Abrams’ reboot (for a price, of course).

Writing on his blog (which, by the way, will make you feel as if you’ve been transported to the Internet circa the advent of animated gifs), Ellison says he would “jump at the chance” to work with “the inordinately-talented” Abrams. Of course, he would love to pitch his own film idea first:

Yes, I would likely try to steer him toward the original film idea I was asked to pitch, by the late Gene Roddenberry and a production exec whose name I have blissfully flensed from memory (but he had been, if I recall, a hairdresser or clothing designer or ex-boyfriend of someone or other, and he kept trying to press me to include the Mayan Calendar).

But he would be fine if Abrams didn’t buy his concept, “If the very smart Abrams didn’t want to go that way, I would be wide-open to rethinking such a film from the git-go.” Ellison goes on to say that Paramount will need to pay him “from the first meet git-go”, but otherwise nothing is stopping him from working with Abrams.

When some of his readers expressed skepticism about him working in the Trek franchise again, he went off (as seems to be the trend):

What the hell are you guys…nuts? Where’s the ‘downside’ to getting topside the radar of J.J. Abrams? This guy ain’t Roddenberry! He also ain’t the ex-hairdresser with the jones for Mayan calendars! He’s a writer I respect, whose work has frequently blown the lid off my box of surpriseability. But, then, he already KNOWS that. It isn’t as if I’d kept my admiration chained in the darkest cell of the basement of Bedlam.

Ellison certainly isn’t keeping his admiration for Abrams a secret, that’s for sure.

I don’t think we’ll actually see Ellison working on Star Trek 2 (which is the working title for now, no more complaints people), but he could certainly add a bit of old-school hard sci-fi juice to the project.

Ellison invites Abrams, or someone else involved with the production, to get in touch with him if they want to tap into his genius, “I am without full-time film-agent representation, by choice, at the moment; so if the job presents itself, I will work for pay.”

Discuss: Would you like to see Harlan Ellison contribute to Abram’s Star Trek sequel?

[Via TrekToday & SciFi Squad]

  • I read the title as "Sci-Fi Author Harlan Ellison Wants In On Star Trek 2 and All It's Money To Be Made".
  • Slatters
    After the box office and critical success of Star Trek, I'd like to offer my services as a writer. I want a slice of the brilliant JJ Abrams cash pie please. Trust me, I'm an awesome writer and you can pay me tons.
  • Sheep
    He is an awesome writer. But also an asshole.
  • Most awesome writers are.
  • You have to give the litigious little prick some credit.

    - He sued James Cameron over "Terminator," and won.
    - He wrote some of the best "Outer Limits" and "Star Trek" episodes.
    - He eloquently blasted "Star Wars" and is somehow still walking.

    I say let the gifted wiener write it.
  • I'm really surprised Ellison liked the first Star Trek by Abrams. I would've thought an accomplished scifi writer like him would enjoy something a bit more... cerebral.

    Or maybe he didn't like the first film at all, and still wants to offer his services. If so, hey, more power to him. Maybe he needs the money in this economic downturn. He's certainly not spending any on his website.
  • He more than likely bashed it and wasn't aware the success to be made off of it so. Now he knows what he's in for and all it is, is money.
  • mitojee
    Being familiar with Ellison's writing, it doesn't surprise me at all that he would like the reboot actually. First, he's not a "hard" sf writer, he spearheaded the movement for edgy sf that focused on the inner worlds of the characters and hyperbolic literary prose more than tech. In other words, he's on the opposite end of the spectrum from Asimov or Heinlein. Second, he's always had an interest in comics, horror and the fantastic and in his reviews he usually prefers to be thrilled vs. sticking to canon. He's the guy who wanted Scotty to be a drug dealer, remember?
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  • Evan
    I wrote a sci-fi short story in 5th grade and I too am not a huge fan of Roddenberry. I will work cheaper than Ellison. And I love Lost, Alias, and everything else Abrams has done. So where do I sign?
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  • Frederik
    You can sign after you've written one of the best episodes of Star Trek.

    Get off your high horse.
  • JMil
    You mean the episode heavily rewritten by Gene Roddenberry?

    Get off your high horse.
  • Federico
    I dunno. He's written tons of good books, so yeah, it's really up to one's opinion his skill, but yeah. It's a matter of opinion.

    Get off your high horse.

    ...like, seriously. Tell it to stop it with the LSD, I mean, that can't be good for a horse. And you know how junkies are. It's pretty dangerous to ride a horse that's high. Or... .....oh, I get it.
  • Larry
    Ellison is a great short story writer, but a total jerk. Self-righteous and smug, but never boring, I will give him that. In many ways he is a cookie-cutter stereotype of the New York "intellectual" of his generation, lives in a bubble with his books and thinks he knows it all. He has also behaved absolutely terribly to so many decent people, his peers and colleagues and others. In one instance, he even went as far as threatening the LA Times (who were going to publish a very unflattering portrait of his behaviour, all true) with litigation, and the LA Times backed down. Hardly anybody is aware of this affair, even the people who hate him and are part of the SF community.
  • The Great Cambino
    Oh, so sour grapes CAN turn into wine when the money's right, eh Harlan? ;)
  • Chuchundra
    Nobody with half a lick of sense would bring Ellison on to their team unless they desperately needed some old school SF cred. And when I say desperate, I mean desperate.

    First, you'd be hard-pressed to get much real work out of him. He spent five years as a creative consultant on the TV show Babylon 5 and managed in all that time to crank out one half of a script for one a very bad episode.

    Second, when you piss him off -- and trust me, you will -- he'll go right to the press and tell everyone how you did him wrong, loudly and in great detail.

    Ellison is (or at least was) a brilliant man and he's written some truly amazing short stories in his lifetime, but he's an Olympic-class asshole, a pathological liar and he really doesn't play well with others. Nobody needs this kind of headache on their movie.
  • Erick
    Definitely. Abrams, Lindelof, Orci, and Kurtzman would have to be fucking nuts to work with someone so unpredictable and volatile. I've only read a handful of his short fiction but also remember him as a radio host on an NPR station in the LA area about the time (or after) he had his very bitter parting with the Twilight Zone series remake and great talent aside, his behavior on the air and in the press were the epitome of what we'd call a message board troll today. And if he did participate in Trek in some way and, as mentioned above, inevitably parted ways with Abrams and crew, it's only going to encourage those old-school exclusionary Trek fans that The Onion mocked last May
  • giantman
    Wow. Amazing how judgmental commenters can be when they have no real knowledge of what they are talking about. Harlan has been screwed over so many times it isn't even funny, and has done tremendous work for writer's rights during his career. Heck his un-produced script for iRobot was brilliant and won awards even though it was never used. I say if the man wants a chance to be a part of something that someone might actually listen to him, then go for it. I for one would love to see what he could bring to Star Trek.
  • JD
    ^ Harlan?
  • jason b
    i love me a crazy old writer - the guy reminds me of the martin landau character from entourage.
  • Dangeresquetoo
    What if I told you I knew a guy who worked with Gene Roddenberry himself, and actually wrote a Star Trek script? Would that be something you'd be interested in?
  • pete_traynor
    Haha! 'I can't find the driver Eric!'
  • Rion
    Screw Star Trek 2; I want a film adaptation of I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream. In the age of Torture Porn it could have a lot of social Relevance.
  • Pete W.
    I must admit, this is only the second time I've ever posted to one of these message-board thingies; the first time was a week ago when I mentioned that, in terms of maintaining and expanding the vision of this Trek reboot, J.J. should take a cruise and enjoy an afternoon tea break with Unca Harlan. Obviously, other folk out there feel the same way. Sure, he can be volatile, but I think it's more passion than volatility. For my money he's the grand master of "the concept." And that's what the next Trek movie really needs, solid grey matter stuff mixed with hearty action-adventure trimmings. From what I recall, his treatment of what was to become Star Trek The Motion Picture involved Kirk and crew being driven to the beginning of time, finding themselves on a primordial Earth, where, in order to restore the timeline of humanity, they must annihilate a beautifully peace-loving, compassionate and intelligent tribe that co-exists with and threatens to replace the savage, aggressive Neanderthals who will become us. As with all Ellison's tinkerings, it's more about inner space than outer space, as is the case with most half-decent SF.
  • Wickedrebel
    That sounds really cool. I hate Trek, but what a cool concept!
  • Neil Snowdon
    YES. YES. AND YES AGAIN! If you disagree with the idea, then you simply don't deserve the film that might result. Ellison is one of the finest writeres America has ever produced. One of it's finest minds in SF or any other genre. If you want Star Trek to blow your mind with ideas, and break your heart wide open, Ellison is the man to do it. Abram's could do no better than to listen, when Harlan Ellison says that he wants in. Paramount should be so lucky. If they play nice and pay people when they're supposed to pay them and not fuck them over like they often do, then they might end up with a film that goes dwon in cinema history. A film that lasts. A film that means somethign to people. I you think any involvement Ellison might have with this picture is based on anyting other than the fact that man has imagination to spare and enthusiasm for dreaming, then you deserve for the worst possible outcome. A Star Trek movie directed by Joel Schumacher and written by Akiva Goldsman. Did all you naysayers just fall off the turnip truck? Do your research. Read his fiction (start with SHATTERDAY, confront the worst parts of yourselves and maybe come out better people). Read his original script for City On The Edge Of Forever. Listen to him read his story Paladin of The Lost Hour (it's on his site somewhere I'm sure that's where I heard it)... the tell me that the man won't improve whatever concept might currently be in consideration a HUNDRED FOLD. Be proud this man is living amongst you. And do not get his ire up. He will burn you to the ground. The only losers will be you guys. Right now this is the single most exciting possibility in SF cinema. Harlan Ellison might write a movie. And someone with the money and the power might make sure it's made properly. This could blow the screen wide open. Please JJ, you're a bright guy. Say yes. Then commit.
  • ...Damn that was a long rant.
  • Neil Snowdown a.k.a Harlan Ellison.
  • bob
    Schumacher completely destroyed the Batman franchise until the last 2 movies
    came out...definately do not let him touch the updated Star Trek
  • JJ is a bright guy, which is why he wouldn't ever consider working with Ellison. Bringing Ellison on board is just asking for Bad Robot and Paramount to be sued for some imagined reason decades after the fact.
  • Yeah, Harlan, not gonna happen.
  • that site is pretty screwed up
  • deuce
    Ellison: In love with the smell of his own sh!t.
  • Craigasorusrex
    and J.J Abrams apparently. Although I think thats just him sucking up.
  • Glaive2004
    I doesn't matter.
    No matter what YOU THINK is an original story you've written, Ellison already wrote it 40-years ago (and probably better...)

    Keep dreanming THAT dream.
  • sgtzim
    This reeks of 'I want in on something successful!' and it's particularly ass kissey. Who in their right mind would want to work with this guy? He's a friggin' psycho who hasn't stopped frothing at the mouth about how he was screwed over on Star Trek forty years ago.
  • Star Trek 12.

    Star Trek 2 is NOT the working title. In fact JJ Abrams said himself that the film would NOT be called Star Trek 2, because there is already a film with that title.
  • That comment above was specifically aimed at you Joe ;) Everyone is calling it Star Trek 2 for now, so until we get a real title that's what we'll work with. It is the sequel to "Star Trek" after all, so it's not as if Star Trek 2 is wrong.
  • greggorybasore
    OH MY GOD THIS WOULD BE AMAXINGS!

    I know that people would want to avoid another time travel story so soon, but I'd love to see a New Trek movie built off of his original plot for City on the Edge of Forever.
  • GayBusey
    I saw a documentary about Harlan. Or as much as I could stand. Even if bringing him on meant the making of the next great sci-fi epic, I vote no.

    Incorrigible assholes on his level don't deserve success. He deserves humility.
  • slumbergod
    He's just after the money so screw him. There are plenty of talented writers who would like to contribute for much less.
  • Guest
    Either one, the next one will continue the trend of wasting Star Trek, so why bother?
  • Mike
    "The City On The Edge Of Forever" is still the best thing to ever come out with the words "Star Trek" in the title. (The main rewrite on Ellison's script, BTW, was done not by Roddenberry, as was assumed for 30 years, but by D.C. Fontana, who went on to write some great episodes of her own.) Ellison's original script went on to win the Writers Guild of America Award, and the episode itself won the Hugo that year. If all that's too old school for you, remember the Terminator franchise - and I'm putting this very, very politely - would not exist without him. You guys need to learn to separate the writer from the persona. I think he could write, or at least co-write, a damn fine NuTrek.

    That said, I'm just not sure his pitch for Star Trek-TMP is it. I've always like it, and digs at Jon Peters are always fun (apparently, he was into the Maya before he developed a fetish for giant spiders), but I just personally feel a need for a long, long break from Trek time travel stories. After being the driving force for four feature films and a good batch of episodes of TV sequel series over 20 years, I don't think there's even mud left to be scraped from the bottom of that well. Besides, with very few exceptions, Trek has never really done true science fiction all that well, and if the latest movie is any example, I don't think that's going to change now. It would be a pleasant surprise if a well-written sequel, by Ellison or whomever, bucked that trend, but I think we're much more likely to see the needless return of Khan or the Borg before it ever happens.

    Actually, I agree with Rion. Forget "Star Trek"; it's time for an adaptation of "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream." The technology has finally caught up with the imagery in the story. Ellison's script for Asimov's "I, Robot" would also make a dynamite movie, and come to think of it, Abrams wouldn't be a bad director for it at all. You may think Will Smith put the last nails in the coffin of any hopes of ever seeing that, but hey, if "The Amityville Horror" can get two remakes green-lit in one decade, anything could happen.
  • Zonemind
    I'm the opposite of most folk familiar with Ellison. I don't like his work, and enjoy the Hell out of his "vicious nerd" antics. As such, I'd never, ever agree to work with him on anything. I am content to occasionally watch him from afar, the literary precursor to Howard Stern.
  • Zmortis
    I've read a fair amount of Harlan Ellison over the years, and like zonemind I find that his diatribes are usually many times more interesting than his overt literary works. He is certainly one of my favorite curmudgeon personalities. Yet at the same time I would understand anyone's reluctance about teaming up with him on a project. No matter how many fans of his works there are, Harlan Ellison can be a big pain in the ass when he gets in a mood.
  • Motivemagus
    Harlan Ellison is everything everyone says about him: he's brilliant, annoying, principled, nasty, talented, whatever...I like his work, I've enjoyed seeing him, and he's done a lot for writers in Hollywood, but he is not easy to deal with, in part because he knows what he wants and does not suffer fools gladly. Heck, he doesn't suffer people of near-average intelligence gladly.
    Having said that, and having read his award-winning "City" script, I don't think he's the right guy for Trek, and never has been. Roddenberry was an optimist and technophile who believed in the perfectibility of man, and therefore specified an Earth where hunger, poverty, jealousy, and mean behavior was eliminated, and created a noble Starfleet that sounds like the Galactic Patrol (from the Lensman Saga) without telepathy. (Remember Deep Space Nine was after Roddenberry's death.) Ellison's views are, quite obviously, a LONG way from that. His script for City was a great story, and I still remember one of the best lines, but it wasn't Star Trek, which after all was Roddenberry's playground and bat and ball. Unless JJ Abrams wants to blow up Star Trek entirely, he'd be wise to avoid Ellison -- though it might be good to have a consult with him just to spur really different ideas.
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