Is It Illegal To Watch Bootlegged Movies Online?

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You probably understand the illegality, not to mention unethical nature, of posting a pirated movie onto the internet - but do you understand the legal ramifications of simply watching a film that’s already been uploaded to the web?

Much of my day is spent with teenagers, students at the school where I teach, and the majority of them simply don’t worry about sourcing their media through piracy. They take music from Limewire, they take movies from Torrents or even just stream crummy copies. When challenged, a number of them have even told me that they’re sure it can’t be illegal - “if it is,” they say, “then what’s it doing on the internet?” They’re obviously missing something there, but are they right that it’s okay for them to watch?

The Chicago Sun Times (via THR Esq.) have spoken to a series of Lawyers, as well as reps from the MPAA about the issue. Steve Englund is a copyright attorney who told them:

It is certainly illegal to put online copyrighted content like a telecast of a fight or a motion picture without authorization. It is a little more complicated question whether it is illegal to watch it when someone else has put it online.

That complication is not to be mistaken for authority to dive head first into the torrents, of course, and all it will take is one test case to lock down the confusion forever.

Besides, I would argue that the legal issue is less relevant than the ethical one anyway. The question should be “Is It Ethical To Watch Bootlegged Movies Online?”

Talking to the many students at my school they display a sense of entitlement and seem to think that because they can grab a hold on a piece of media without paying for it, that they should, or that they are justified in doing so. They certainly have no conception of who they might be taking payment from. We should not forget that the people who make the movies depend on the cashflow to pay their salaries and, in a number of cases, particularly with smaller films, royalty-type points-based payments.

I’m old enough to remember when there was a real music industry with labels prepared to take far bigger gambles than they are now and a much greater wealth of albums and bands able to make a good living from making music. Songs take up so few data bits it was rather quickly possible to steal them via broadband connections. Movies take up rather more data, but internet speeds are getting faster and bandwidth getting wider - it’s seemingly inevitable that the movie industry is going to be cut off at the knees as happened with music.

The forecast for box office returns is possibly rather different to that for home entertainment, seeing as the distinction between a data stream from a disc or sanctioned download and that from a stolen file is somewhat narrower than between a movie on a laptop and on a forty foot screen. We may be seeing that reflected in the big box office returns for New Moon, despite the apparent ease with which it can be found on the internet.

All the same, the ethics of piracy can’t be measured by the resistance and financial success of the films in question but by the simple question of who is actually entitled to do what with and what. Copyright law was devised out of necessity to protect creators’ rights and, as overgrown as that law could potentially become, those rights should still stand.

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  • DDriver
    Who cares about huge companies. They do everything depending from them to save their profits. The prices for DVD's, Bluray's, whaterver are high because when you buy one you pay for millions of pirate copies amortized on sold ones.

    We live in dynamic world - now is better to pirate, then to pay. Let watch what will be next.

    P.S. Have you seen $300 fanvideos with qulity and specialeffects not worse than blockbusters? In near future making movie would be really cheap. You will have good cameras, good open software, Youtube to share, so on. Industry will left only with Imax or similar technology
  • onlinebootlegmoviedownloads
    It's really very interesting & film movie.I like it.
  • Sizequeen
    BS. How is uploading a digital video any different from dubbing a VHS tape or recording a song from the radio onto a casette tape and giving it to all your friends? These companies need to roll with the changes and provide inexpensive digital media. People will rush to buy it legally, and the industry will save money on normal production costs.
  • RNL
    This is vacuous middle-class moralism.
  • Pod
    There are so many movie sites that let you stream the movie w/o downloading.
    Is it illegal to watch a streaming movie vs. downloading? I often sample a movie
    b4 watching at the cinema. Your thoughts?
  • quintushalls
    Copyright and Patent law are stupid all together and were only devised to protect wealthy business owners way back when. It is incredibly hard if you are a small firm, or a single guy, who has a patent and someone stole it, to pay to fight in court and to even prove that they stole it when they change one tiny little thing in it. It has never really worked. The guys credited for making the best inventions, or heck movies, stole their work from other people.

    Like with open source, the software is free, the hardware you have to pay for.
  • mirrorrim
    Someone commented that Will Ferrell deserves to be paid 30+ millions because he earns a lot for the movie's producers.

    Since it hasnt been mentioned in the comments, thought I'd share who came up #1 on Forbes' "10 most overpaid actors":

    http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/17/hollywoods-mos...
  • david
    Its not illegal, its an echo. Its really no different than talking and letting people hear you. Some people do it for free and some do it for money. People making movies want people to see them. People making money on movies want them to pay to see them. No one downloading movies or tvshows is stealing. They are just tuning into the AVAILABLE vibration. This is the reality we live in. Where it is possible to duplicate. People did it with books. Music cassettes. VHS movies. DVDs. Its not an old problem. And to be real it shouldnt be looked at as a problem. It shows that information is speading fast. Ideas, thoughts, creations. It really begs the question as to why people want to control the sharing of information. Its a blessing for movies to be shared as they do. The fact is we are a specialized animal. We are evolving constantly and that is why we demand this information. I think this a huge reason why movies and games and all media are improving so fast lately. 2012 is not a natural disaster. Its a speeding up of consciousness. Just look at the spread of information and take that into account.
  • jpooch
    I have only read through the first page of comments so I don't know if this subject has been approached. The reason I download music, comic books, movies, and TV shows is because as a 22 year old recent college graduate (unemployed college grad I may add) I have very little money to spend on these items. That said, I still go see a movies in the theaters every week or two with my dad, but I can't afford it all, which brings me to my point... piracy can be a good thing. For example, I had very little money during college so I downloaded all of my favorite comic books and didn't pay for a dime of them, but I stayed engaged in the subject... now I spend a substantial part of the small disposable income I have every week on comics ($25-$40... with another part going towards going to the movies). It is the same thing with music and movies and everything, if I didn't download it I would never experience it and never would. I would have stopped caring about my favorite comic book characters, or would have accepted not being able to go watch/rent/buy my favorite movies and lose interest in the art.
    I understand and respect the opinion of the anti piracy people but, at least in my case, piracy has actually made several companies a lot of my money.

    Two movie examples are Moon and (500) Days of Summer... downloaded them both and I loved them so much that as soon as they opened in a theater near me I paid to see them. If I had never downloaded them, I would have never cared to pay for them, as they were off my radar and thought I would have enjoyed spending my limited money elsewhere. Now I will be buying the Blu-Rays as soon as I am able to.

    So to sum up my essay... not all of us pirates are out to get "The Man" and take advantage of an easy way to save money... some of us are just a bit more strapped. Now what would you rather happen? Me not consume any of your media since I can't afford it and never come back in the future (I hadn't read a comic in years b4 i found out how to download them... now look at me), because at that point you will never get my money. Or would you rather me download some of your work, make me a fan, and graciously accept my money when I have it to spend?
  • jpooch
    Now I understand that everybody isn't like me and some people that do have money will download even if they do have the money to watch, and will never spend money on the media because it is easy to get on the internet. Now those people are the problem, and I will admit that it is impossible to distinguish between the two. People say the studios need to lower prices, but the reason they have jacked up the prices are because of people that pirate, it is a very fine line. The studios, and companies, and record labels need to figure out a way to acknowledge both sides and figure out a solution, because as long as there is the internet there will be piracy. You can't fight it, might as well figure out a way for it to benefit you (if there is one).
  • grim
    id have to agree with everin. sure, piracy is a problem but it's a problem brought about by the bigger problem of capitalism. why is wrong for a bunch of poor people to watch online movies for free but it's right for already-rich but still greedy studios to cheat people of their hard-earned money with bogus business tactics?
  • I have no choice but to watch pirated movies. I live in thailand. they really dont care about copyright infringement here. everything is bootlegged. you may think you're buying an iphone, but its a copy. all the dvds are copies, all the clothing you buy..... everything is copy.

    ethically, i dont like it. financially, i love it. when i lived in the states i would buy the full price dvd's if i liked the movie, rather than buying them on the street corner for 1/8th the price. unfortunately, here, its just not an option. here i buy copies from the store, or watch streaming online. i guess i could search online for movies, but then i'd be paying more for shipping than i pay for the dvd.

    thailand kicks ass though.
  • a-nom
    My pops used to make a living off renting copied movies out the back of a nissan van in the 80's and 90's, so my view on this is kinda slanted. Personally i don't have a problem with watching a downloaded movie, in the case of the low buget films i feel their pain if the movie doesn't do well financially, but in the case of the majors i could couldn't care less. I'm not familar with how the finances of a movie breaks down but if a film costs 40 million to make and then banks 50-80 mill at the box office surely thats enuff for everyone to get paid and then some. At the end of the day if a movie is good enuff it will make money (in most cases that is) be it from box office, rentals or legal downloads.

    If the music business thought us nothing else copyright law needs a serious over haul. I don't know when the laws where set up but when they where i'm sure they didn't have downloading and streaming in mind.
  • iec
    if a film makes it's budget, everyone is paid exactly what they deserve. everything above that is profit.
  • MisterCurtis
    I see a movie illegally projected on the side of a building, is it ethical to stop and watch? who is responsible for the infringement? The person projecting? The owner of the building? The casual viewer? you can pick them all off, sure. But when it comes down to it, the illegal action is performed by the person projecting. Illegally displaying a movie in public. With public access to the internet I am frequently a casual observer with such things like "stumbleupon". But since I'm not in control am I responsible or even liable if I come across a bootleg movie? Sometimes its difficult to even know you're infringing. During its heyday Stage6.com was full of thousands of "illegal" videos. Though with the proclaimed legitimacy of Divx and its service made its legality ambiguous, especially when they featured the movies on the front page as "popular" videos. They have of course shut down for that reason. and more than a handful of clones have cropped up since then.

    So now imagine we have several buildings and several projectors that have permission to publicly project the movies. A few illegal still slip through. Walking through the jungle of videos you wouldn't think twice at watching the illegal one since it is as regularly available as the legal stuff and is almost indistinguishable. The buildings are just as nice, and the projectors are of high quality, who is the wiser? There are of course the ones projected on the side of a rusty shed with a dim overhead projector, but who can complain.
  • Rena
    I always watch movies in theaters or rent/buy but if im in a pinch and need to watch a movie for class or just want to watch a part of it(and I dont like it that much, or im not sure i want to buy it yet) i may go and watch it online. I'm not going to lie. My friends on the other hand are terrible theyre always like "so its a movie i'm not going to pay for it." And they just don't get it. They dont get that some movies need that extra cash flow just or that some movies should be seen in theaters. They have a pretty lousy taste in movies too.
  • scriptcoder
    It's very simple: you want to watch a movie. That movie has a price tag.

    If you agree with the price tag then purchase the movie and watch it.
    If you think it's overpriced then don't purchase the movie and move onto something else, like reading a book.
  • FilmPirate
    The internet is the most beautiful tool available to the people ever. Free information, free art. It is slowly taking the power out of the hands of "studios" and putting it into the hands of the public. If the studios can't adapt to the fact that people can see their products, and that's all they really are to them, products, and not only that, but they can transmit across the internet in a matter of days the quality of said product, then they won't be able to survive. Blather all you want about "ethics" or what's right for the industry, but the beautiful thing here is that more and more people can gain access to beautiful, thought-provoking pieces of art. And the people who are bitching and moaning are the ones who put out the worst quality of films. Cinemas are wonderful things. I go every chance I get. But if I am to pay for something, it will be something that is worth paying for and I would hope that this rise of the internet would mean that more that is worth seeing will come to theatres. I would hope. It's not the fucking death of the industry, you executive twits. It should be a paradigm shift, a reformation.
  • scriptcoder
    Stop parroting nonsense. The only reason people pirate is because they're cheap and greedy.
  • iec
    scriptcoder, you're a businessman, not a filmmaker. you're arguing for businessmen, not artists. what you don't get is that films are art, and people will always want access to art. as I said on page 1: libraries make art free and available to the public. films are no different than books. in fact, many authors are more talented and put more work into their books than anyone working on a film. end of story. you think libraries are unethical, which is retarded. cinema is not pure entertainment. you have no understanding of art.
  • Royalties need to be abolished. I would like to know the why filmmakers deserve royalties when scientists and inventors get none for cures and useful technologies.
  • lucascott
    wanna bet. the whole Patent game is so that those inventors can get royalties and they do.
  • iec
    um, I'm sorry, but most professionals get no royalties for their original work. patents don't cover everything.
  • scriptcoder
    So you, who have nothing to do with a creation of the work, suddenly get to dictate how people make money off of their own creation.
  • tony5787
    is it just me or do any of you feel that it is more about a person's stupidity than ethics? i have had a ton of people asking me where they can go to find a movie online because i'm fairly computer-savvy. if they were smart they could go to google and type in the same question and find out by themselves. so i think that movies like new moon that apply to people who normally dont download films (teenage women) have a better chance of making money than being downloaded because of the ignorance of the audience to find the movie bootlegged (and most likely poorly) online for free
  • stephen
    if the movie industry did not want 10-20 dollars to watch an two hour movie there would be less people downloading it off the internet. The movie industry decided to gouge the pockets of its clients and like the music industry, is now paying the price for it. I think it is too late for them, even if they slashed their prices for tickets, they will still have only a small incline in customers as many of them are content watching movies off of their computers.
  • lucascott
    let me ask you this. is it really vital that you see every single movie the moment it is out.

    probably not. In fact, I would say that only a handful of movies are designed such that you really have to see them on a big screen to get the full effect. I'm talking the Star Treks, Transformers etc.

    I see around 20 movies a month. but perhaps only 2 are at the theaters. The rest I can watch at home and get the same effect. So I see them a few months after release, big deal. I don't agree with the theaters game of jacking up prices and charging us $5.00 for over salted popcorn. so I don't play that game when I don't have to. instead I play $13.00 a month for Netflix and I can pop my own popcorn much cheaper, don't have some douche bag with his cell phone going off, another one talking all the time etc
  • scriptcoder
    So freeloaders are entitled to movies? Why not just stop consuming if they are too expensive.

    Admit it. Even if movies were $5 the same people pirating today would pirate tomorrow. They are greedy selfish people.
  • lbj
    "Copyright law was devised out of necessity to protect creators’ rights and, as overgrown as that law could potentially become, those rights should still stand."

    Copyright law was originally devised out of necessity for government to exercise censorship and a way to enrich the pockets of publishers and the politically powerful.

    Death to copyright.
  • lucascott
    Perhaps. But until it is dead it is the law and the rules of the game.

    Besides, most of those cams look and sounds like crap. blurry, wavy sound, folks talking and getting up and down and blocking the view. how can you really see the movie like that. Waiting for it to hit netflix and such is still better. and the studios have sped up the wait a lot. it used to be almost a year from last theatre to home video. now it can be as quick as 3 months.
  • scriptcoder
    "Death to copyright"

    Spoken like a true freeloader. When I write something that I intend to sell I will make sure that it's properly copyrighted. Why would I want you to have the same rights over my work as I do? What have you contributed to it.

    Copyright exists to protect the creator. Because what the creator creates he owns.
  • Octoberist
    you say 'death to copyright' but that means even more people will get screwed over.
  • Chris
    Unless you are watching a DVD you payed for you should have to pay EVERY TIME you watch a film. All these people that see a movie once and just download a bootleg until the DVD comes out are still wrong. That's basically like only paying once and just siting in the theater all day.
  • Chris
    *sitting
  • Alex
    I agree that its the studios faults for not adapting, they are selling to a worldwide market now and should figure out how to adapt instead of whining about how they're only making billions of dollars every year.
    The thing with getting music and films online is that it broadens our horizons. I've discovered a bunch of great bands online that I never would have heard of and when they come to town I go see their shows. Without D/L they'd get 0$ from me, with D/L they get my 30$ to go see the show. Same goes for filmmakers, I discover this amazing short film online for free I'll want to see what that filmmaker does next and I will pay for it. But if I'm expect to pay for a film I know nothing about from someone I've never heard of, its not gonna happen.
  • scriptcoder
    No one is talking about the short film you see on youtube. We are talking about mainstream movies that are out on DVD and in theatres that people freeload.

    And just because a corporation fails to "adapt" does not mean you are suddenly given the right to cast aside personal responsibility and take whatever you want.
  • dogdoctor
    People want digital copies of movies.

    Currently, there are no places to buy digital copies of movies that offer an acceptable product (Higher quality without DRM)

    Piracy offers the highest quality product. Even if you ignore the "free" aspect of piracy it is a superior product.
  • scriptcoder
    I buy several movies off of iTunes and they are awesome. DRM doesn't bother me in the slightest as I can play the movies on my iPod, my laptop, and my television.
  • Ann
    I don't care. I'll still watch New Moon 4x by the end of the year. The one online is HORRIBLE. But older movies like Gostbusters are available free online, so WHATEVER!!! Haven't they made enough money anyways?
  • scriptcoder
    Yes they have. They've made "enough" money. Thank-you for setting an upper limit on how much a movie is allowed to make.
  • tony5787
    she's talking about hulu which is legal. when a movie is put on hulu, yes it has made "enough" money obviously or it wouldnt be there for anyone to watch for free.
  • tasita_xmenfan
    I personally watch movies online to find out if they are worth my money. I rather watch a movie online then going to the store, buying the DVD, then figure out the movie is total crap.
  • scriptcoder
    You pay to watch the movie, you don't pay to "reward" the creators.

    Why is that so hard to understand? You pay for the performance.
  • iec
    Theater is the only art that has the right to say this.

    Why is it ethical to borrow library books rather than pay because you don't want to put money into something you might not like, but the same doesn't stand for films? According to you, borrowing DVDs is unethical, as is borrowing or viewing any other art form without paying for it in any context (family movie night, trading CDs, sharing books, libraries, etc).
  • Rolf
    But what if the performance sucks?
  • scriptcoder
    You still took it in. Even if it sucks it was still played for you. And that's what you paid for. Whenever you take in a performance you take a risk that it might suck. Sometimes it does and sometimes it does not.
  • starscream9289
    "Limewire"

    BUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Seriously though, I haven't seen a movie online since I discovered torrents.

    And I only download movies that I have already payed to see and liked.

    I'll buy the DVD when it comes out and repeat the cycle.
  • Itri12
    But then I would have never watched Transformers 2.
  • lucascott
    you say that like it's a bad thing.

    or do you just like trying to look down Megan Fox's shirt (really the only decent part of that movie)
  • Itri12
    Shhhh...
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