"the most popular demo is the “Twilight Mom”, females aged 30-44, which have given the film an average rating of a 9.9."

LOL

I'm actually too sick to my stomach to "lol". My guess is that a 30-44 year old who gives a rave review to a film they have never even seen has some bigger issues to iron out in their life than Twilight. I genuinely feel sorry or them, and many other types of "fans".

I agree that it is ridiculous for anyone to be rating a movie they have yet seen. The ratings on IMDB should never be taken seriously. "Haters" are going to give it a one and "Lovers" are going to give it a 10 to cancel out their vote. (or vice versa)

However, your preconcieved notion of these fans is almost as ridiculous. It's impossible for an intelligent, successful woman to possibly enjoy this saga and click a button that would give it a 10 star rating. They obviously have SOMETHING wrong with them. Your ignorance in that statement is bewildering.

p.s. I'm not being defensive. I'm 21 and have not yet voted for the movie.

Riss, I already replied to your comment above, but here goes another try. I absolutely did NOT say that there is anything wrong with giving "Twilight" a "10 star rating", some of the most amazing, caring, intellegent, people in my life love the "Twilight" series. I'm honestly confused at what I wrote that made you think I thought someone loving "Twilight" automatically made them some sort of inept person. I, once again, was clearly referring to the person who "gives a rave review to a film they have never even seen" (plus, it was a joke) I have no preconcieved notion of the fans, nor did I say anything above that should make you think otherwise. It seems you have some preconcieved notions about me. Take another glance at what you responded to, it seems you might have misread.

"has some bigger issues to iron out in their life than Twilight" When you wrote that, I mistakened it as you saying Twilight was an issue within itself. After rereading and reading your reply to me, I realize now that the issue you were referring to was "issues bigger than voting for Twilight" (or any other movie before it came out). Another misunderstanding and another apology. I don't have preconcieved notions, although I could understand why you would think that. lol I just read your comments out of the context in which you meant. You 2 - me 0. lol

I still don't think it's fair to assume that these women who do this have issues. Then again, I couldn't tell that it was a joke at all. lol Communication via text strikes again!

Communication via text strikes again!...

oooo... I hate that... miscommunication, sooo confusing.. lol..

.. darn text *snaps* get it together!.. lol..

lol seriously.

Riss, it's cool, you're right, stuff gets lost in translation very easily in text based conversations. Something to do with not hearing tone of voice or seeing facial expressions, probably. At least, if that happens, we can clear up what we mean in later comments, like you and I just demonstrated. Now we know, you are definately not some dim girl who must be an airhead because she likes "Twilight", and I'm not some devolved bigot who generalizes "Twilight" fans that way. Not bad for a little lighthearted online discussion haha.

A rarity for an online discussion. haha

Why the hell does IMDB allow votes before a movie is even released?

Because there have been screenings of the film... Films like 'Best Worst Movie' aren't released in theatres or on DVD but shown on several festivals, you can rate those too.

I hate IMDB rankings. In about 5 years, the majority of "Top 250 Best Movies" will be all newer films released in the 2000s and present-day.

How many young people have seen Gone with the Wind, the Godfather trilogy, The Deer Hunter, etc...? Yet we can all agree that these films are by far, WAY BETTER than any Twilight crap or any other random new films.

look, most of us can agree these are good films:

-JUNO
-The Changeling
-The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, etc...

but none of them deserve to be in the Top 250 films!

The imdb rating system hasn't had much credibility for a while now but this is ridiculous.

IMDB rankings have always been bunk. If someone can defend TDK as the 8th best film of all time I'll change my opinion but that won't happen because such an argument is impossible.

The best online public voting for films is theauteurs.com. And that's only thanks to its niche base.

Imdb is more of a whole group of people discussing what movie they like best, instead of a movie critic. You obviously wont find your favorite movie of all time on the top list, but you would find a movie you at least like.

Plus, the movies on the top 250 list can only get on there with the help of 'power voters' or whatever.

I was a little harsh, if you look at the list as a single non ordered set it gets better. I mean stuff like Lawrence of Arabia is on there so it can't be all bad. Lawrence isn't exactly mass consumption now a days.

yeah, exactly. I think it's surprising that older films such as SUNRISE (1927) had made it to the Top 250 list, because I wasn't even aware that many people had actually seen the film. I just watched Sunrise for the first time last week and loved it...

"If someone can defend TDK as the 8th best film of all time"

Since there's no such thing as 'best of all time' it's fair to say the correct term would be '8th most popular film among IMDB users'.

I think it is pretty clearly a best of all time list. That is what is intended with the list. It's called the "top 250" for a reason.

well if that's true then i'd love to see defense of "shawshank" as the best film of all time. cause no gross.

The exact words from IMDB are: "Top 250 movies as voted by our users".

I think we can all agree it's a flawed system.

@Tercotta

Well, theauters.com is a site I frequent a good ammount (especially lately) but it too has it's fare share of nonsensical people (although I'm usually surprised when they come out of the woodwork). Better than IMDB though, I mean, at least most have seen the films they're talking about.

They'll be non sensical people everywhere. They just get owned quickly or ignored at theauteurs.com. Which is nice.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

It's not surprising to find that the series has already been relegated to the "soap opera" demographic. Makes sense. It really is a perfect fit for daytime melodrama.

Perfect. The whole Twilight thing in and of itself is a soap opera.

Those females really have a great sense of humor!

F8ckin hate these kind of things. IMDb ratings suck, fans give it 10's and haters give it 1's. And why is The Shawshank Redemption 'the best film of all time'?

I'm really disgusted by those Twilight Moms. You're 30-44 years old and think this psycho-emo-shit is good? You can't be smart. Hell, no one who likes Twilight can be smart.

Saw it last week with a buddy and the help of RiffTrax. Though it was funny as hell, i can't believe that people actually like that movie. They must be masochists or something.

What did you expect from those 30-44 years old moms? They're also the demographic who made Fabio become an overrated, ugly famous model. enough said.

Uh, i didn't know that. Interesting. And disgusting.

lol, exactly. We're talking about SOCCER MOMS. Did you really expect 'em to have good taste?

I know a couple of Twilight Moms, one of whom is my wife. They love the movie because they love the book. They love the book because they love the character of Edward. They love Edward because he's the perfect embodiment of their fantasy mate. My wife will tell you it's irrational and pretty harmless. So who cares?

What's funny is watching all the pretentious hipsters on this blog get all up in arms because someone likes something they don't. I'm sure if you ran the numbers on Die Hard, they'd be exactly opposite.

Haha, perfect embodiment of their fantasy mate? Oh wow, that's disturbing. Do you even know what he does in the books? It starts small. He stalks her. Then he'd tell her that she needs to stay away while he follows her all the time. And watches her sleep. Then he cries about being ugly while he shines like a fucking diamond in the sunlight. After he tells her that he wanted to kill her badly (Which i can understand), that he killed before, they stare into each others eyes for a long time. He takes her into the woods and leaves her. I don't remember why, it had something to do with him getting naked in Italy. He tells her that they can't have sex, because he could kill her (That's healthy) and stuff, he then has sex with her, bites in a pillow and beats her. She doesn't remember, but is full of bruises. I'm serious.

In other words:

You have my deepest sympathy.

It may piss people off but i prefer IMDB over any rating system because its a public view....not some old fat washed up critic who think he knows everything.

Personally, I'd take my chances with "some old fat washed up critic who thinks he knows everything" over a bunch of people who are judging a film without even seeing it. I think you're missing the point, Charles.

Also, I'm growing increasingly tired of the "old people are out of touch because they're old" schpeel, many younger people need to have a slightly more open minds and think "maybe there's something to this movie, even if it's old, let's try and figure it out" (it's actually fun and rewarding doing so!). I'm 22 (a youngster in my book) and that's the way I try to think. We can learn SO much from not being automatically dismissive and at the very least hear our elders out. They aren't right all the time, but much of the time we can learn a lot by listening to some older critics, especially the one you were describing (by the way, you forgot to add "mute and wheelchair bound" to your enlightening description).

Hear, hear. I'm 27 years old and I'm FUCKING sick of young people being given more credibility than older people when it comes to music, film, literature, theatre, and pretty much anything else. Older people have seen, heard, and witnessed much more than we ever will. We should learn from them.

That being said, I'm more prone to trust an older, washed up film critic than a bunch of 18 years old kids when it comes to good taste in films.

I know right?!?! The most tragic part of it all is that we, as the younger generation, have a huge advantage over the "older" generation. Information that took them lifetimes to obtain, can be obtained by us in mere hours, we just need to use the part of our brains that control open-mindedness and critical thinking (emphasis on the 'thinking' portion of 'critical thinking' don't just be critical and leave out the thought part). That's how you have real progress (in movies and life) try and absorb the piles and piles of information throughout history that has come before your lifetime, then try to do your best to add to that pile. Lately it seems like peoples thoughts are being pulled out of a pile of something else, and it sure doesn't smell like a pile of information.

It's like we're seriously in another "dark ages", except I don't remember any barbarians burning many libraries lately. What went wrong..... a fucking lot!

Not to mention that those old washed up critics likely have some sort of formal study of film and film theory to get a better understanding of the medium.

What do you have against 18 year olds? We're not all that bad you know. Sure some of us are biased but that's only a few of us. You shouldn't make hasty generalizations about the whole 18 year old population. I totally agree with trusting older critics because they do know more but you should still respect other peoples comments regardless of their age. You were 18 years old at one point, did you have horrible taste in movies? If you had written a movie review at 18 years old wouldn't you have liked people to take your review seriously instead of saying "Oh this persons 18 years old they don't know anything." Be fair.

I wouldn't be so quick to over-generalize. Many people our age are a lot more open minded than you assume. I know my name is automatically a target for critics but my interest span more than what my name claims. For instance, Casablanca is one of my favorite movies.


Don't let a few morons, spoil the bunch.

I don't think I was over-generalizing at all Riss. What I said was "many younger people need to have slightly more open minds..." and I believe "many" should. "Many" does not mean "most of", "the majority", or "all", it simply means "many". Many people do have closed minds, just, as you said, many young people have open minds too. The types of people who go onto a film review site and rate a movie before even seeing it are, by definition, closed minded. Those are the people I'm talking about, my comment wasn't aimed at "Twilight" fans, or any other types fans in general. I was hardly generalizing, hope that clears up what I meant in my prior post.

I stand corrected. You're right, you did say many, my apologies.

When I pointed out my name, I wasn't referring to your comment. I didn't think your comments were aimed at Twilight. I was simply saying that in hopes of avoiding any Twilight critics that like to claim to think we're all brainless fangirls. Which clearly, I'm not. lol Sorry if my comment insinuated that, it's the down side of communication via text.

That's hardly fair.

The twisted irony about this whole issue is that, chances are, when these people finally see the film their opinions will not differ at all from their original review. No ammount of terrible film will make these specific Twilight lovers turn on their beloved franchise, and likewise, no ammount of superb filmmaking and storytelling would soften these Twilight haters point of view. It's just how they are.

When all is said and done, the IMDB rating may actually resemble more of the "let's wait and see" crowd's viewpoint because the "haters" and "lovers" will effectively cancel eachother's votes out. Ahhh, Yin and Yang.

There can't be any good Twilight movie because it's based on a really, really, really bad book series. It's that simple.

lol, 9.9?

what movie is a 9.9, clearly these women know nothing about film.

You guys know what's even worse than rating a movie you haven't seen?

Taking the time to make graphs based on such behavior just so you can go "OMG Twilight fans r dum!"

You guys seriously need to get a life.

then why are you even on this website? we like these graphs. If you dont like it, don't read /Film. Get over yourself, you little bitch.