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The line between deliberate rip-off and unintentional reflection is thin and blurry. There’s now an accusation that James Cameron’s upcoming Avatar might sit somewhere uncomfortably close to that line. Seems that the film bears an uncanny resemblance to Poul Anderson’s 1957 short story Call Me Joe.

io9 was directed towards a synopsis of the tale, which the site recounts as follows:

Call Me Joe centers on a paraplegic — Ed Anglesey — who telepathically connects with an artificially created life form in order to explore a harsh planet (in this case, Jupiter). Anglesey, like Avatar’s Jake Sully, revels in the freedom and strength of his artificial created body, battles predators on the surface of Jupiter, and gradually goes native as he spends more time connected to his artificial body.

That’s a pretty striking similarity, and there’s also the case of the cover art associated with the Poul Anderson short story collection that reprints the story: giant blue spear-carrying alien? Uh-oh.

call-me-joe

This might seem less striking if Cameron hadn’t faced a charge of plagiarism once before. Harlan Ellison — hardly the shrinking violent of science fiction — accused Cameron of lifting some of The Terminator’s ideas from two Ellison-penned Outer Limits episodes. That case was eventually settled out of court, and Ellison now has a credit in the film.

Not having seen Avatar in full, it’s possible that there is an acknowledgment credit for Anderson in the movie — you’d expect Fox’s legal team to catch something like this and pre-emptively head off any problem. But the fact that we haven’t heard about it until now suggests that’s not the case.

Have you read Call Me Joe? If so, let us know if the content is actually as close to our understanding of Avatar as io9 makes it sound. (Wikipedia provides a longer synopsis.) I’ll try to track down the story this evening so I can check it out for myself. If the two are as similar as we’re being led to believe, that would be a damaging blow to the claim that Avatar is a big new piece of original sci-fi. (Which isn’t to say that’s necessarily the case; almost every ‘original’ work owes something to someone else.)

EDIT: Searching the web for references to Cameron and this story prior to today’s post, I see a few people mentioning this link over the past few months, almost all in reader comments on articles across the web. /Film reader cafais even mentioned it here in an Avatar story I wrote during E3. Just reinforces the lesson that reader comments are an essential source of info.

  • Brian
    Why after so many years of Avatar development does this just come out now? This is where the problem lies...everything, absolutely everything has been done before in one way or another. Cameron could have never known this short story existed for all we know, and thus calling it a rip-off isn't very nice, and his 10+ year dream that is Avatar can be quickly turned into a nightmare...he has money so everyone tries to take a stab at it. I suppose every film that comes out now with a spaceship and aliens in it is ripping off some early sci fi with a spaceship and aliens in it. I agree that the resemblance is pretty remarkable but I have too much respect for Cameron to accuse him of something like that.
  • RussFischer
    Most likely thing, I would say, is that Cameron read the story when he was young and didn't think about it at all when writing Avatar. That's where the unconscious influence comes in; he could be recycling the story without being at all conscious of it. I don't damn that process at all, as it's a pretty natural thing to do. I'm mostly surprised, as I said, that Fox hadn't caught this.
  • clarencesomerset
    I'm with you there. The problem is simple: Avatar is a simple story. It is bound to resemble many others that have come before, not least John Carter of Mars, which Cameron himself stated was a direct inspiration. The essence of the tale - disillusioned veteran finds himself in a foreign/alien culture - is almost a trope, but can be capable of great dramatic depth if done right. Whether or not Cameroon has the writing chops to pull that off remains to be seen.

    Thus, the main reason why Avatar hasn't exactly sent me giddy is that I've seen this before. And unless the CGI is really something else, there's little attraction about this film other than a fine piece of epic action film making from a director who is one of the best in the genre.
  • you pretty much got that right. there is really no such thing as originality. No one can claim ownership over a story.

    What matters is how a story is being told.
  • djoser
    Actually, copyright law would beg to differ with you.

    The REALITY is - if his story bears that close a resemblance to something that's been published before - meaning he simply didn't try hard enough to come up with something original - then the case is open for investigation.

    The investigation may well not produce enough evidence to make a significant like - but Cameron's track history quite simply works against him.

    He was quoted in an interview w/ Fangoria (I believe) leaked to Harlan Ellison regarding Terminator that he - " Just ripped off some old Outer Limits episodes." And in another interview that - "He ripped off some old Harlan Ellison short stories."

    According to the LAW - as a creator copyrighting work & profits generated from it - you simply can't go around saying things like that.
    Those details went unpublished - but the original, unedited interviews were leaked to Harlan Ellison - no small fish in any size pond, Sci Fi Author-wise.

    Cameron's offices refused to take his calls leading up to & during Terminator.

    Hence: it went to court & Cameron offered a sum of several hundred thousand dollars, and a credit at the end of T2 to correct his blunder.

    YES, FOLKS. JAMES CAMERON IS FULLY CAPABLE OF MAKING BLUNDERING MISTAKES, speaking out of turn & revealing to the rest of the world that he thinks the ideas he rips off of other people are worthy of being called his own.

    It's called HUBRIS. Or Plagiarism. Take your pick.

    LOOK IT UP.

    This case may be settled out of court - but right above this comment:
    " Cameron said himself it was directly influenced by John Carter of Mars".
    That in itself is pretty damning if he doesn't display anything mentioning that or thanking the author in the credits.

    See - this isn't writers being whiny bitches. It's COPYRIGHT LAW.
  • existenz
    Are you a lawyer? A COPYRIGHT lawyer?

    Because then you'd know that there is extremely wide latitude when determining when a new work of fiction is actually a copyright violation. A story that contain almost identical plot elements to a previous work could be allowed depending on the specifics of the case. For example, I can go out and write a novel about a spaceship crew that lands on a deserted planet and discovers a parasite alien that begins killing the crew. As long as it doesn't have the same characters or exact same plot as "ALIEN", it wouldn't be a violation, just as "ALIEN" itself was different enough from "IT! THE TERROR FROM BEYOND SPACE" to avoid being considered an illegal ripoff.

    Cameron and Fox would probably settle out of court just to be done with it, because these copyright cases can last for years and become very expensive with lawyers fees. Cameron would probably win in the end, but most times businesses prefer to just settle.
  • cheapshot
    This really is a weak case I think. Just how many movies copied another?
    Turner & Hooch >>> K9
    Leviathon >>> Deep Star Six
    Robin Hood POT >>> Robin Hood
    1492 Conquest of Paradise >>> Christopher Columbus The discovery
    Tombstone >>> Wyatt Earp
    Dante's Peak >>> Volcano
    Armageddon >>> Deep Impact
    A Bugs Life >>> Antz
    Mission to Mars >>> Red Planet
    The Score >>> Heist
    Paul Blart MC >>> Observe & Report
    18 Again >>> 17 Again >>> 13 going on 30
    Event Horizon >>> Pandorum
    Like Father Like Son >>> Vice Versa
    Made of Honor >>> My Best Friends Wedding
    Chasing Liberty >>> First Daughter
    Drop Zone >>> Terminal Velocity
    ...and I am sure there is more.
  • bomberman
    dude.. thats like the loosest connections I've ever seen...

    if anything?

    Observe & Report>>>Taxi Driver

    sighting precedent fail
  • novaredstar
    A BUGS LIFE >>> MAGNIFICENT SEVEN (SEVEN SAMURAI)
  • M0db0y
    He's done it before so I won't rule out plagiarism just yet. This one will probably settle out of court too. I don't believe it will turn out to be a nightmare wether the story is original or stolen.
  • Scott
    To answer your question as to why now? MONEY. This is the same reason why science and tech engineer's wait to file patents after they've been inbeded inside of computers, software and the like. Corporate espionage is rampant and know exactly what each other is up to. Then, they sue knowing full well their technology has been stolen, thus, giving them the upper hand in cased they are likely to win or settle out of court.
  • Scott
    What I meant to say is that they wait to file patent "infringements" on patents they are likely to own or feel/believe they own...
  • Redcarol57
    I read this story as a teen and remembered it (it is a memorable story). And when I saw the basic plot and premise of Avatar, I thought this movie was a rip off. Since he had a similar issue with Harlan Ellison, and I also remember this Outer Limits story, I'm buying that Cameron has a poor memory about where he borrows from. And since Cameron is about my age, I suspect he was influenced by much of the science fiction literature and shows from that era.

    I respect Cameron as a director mind you, but his storytelling IS heavily borrowed. Let's just say he has a talent at knowing whom to borrow from.
  • David1225
    This kind of controversy is why we have courts. Frankly, it's a bit of a shock to see any Hollywood film ripping off an intelligent story.
  • Octoberist
    I just think that..Avatar has a generic narrative that it's just a coincidence. I mean, the 'going in deep under cover' angle and becoming one with the 'enemy' has been done before (classic plot) so many times. Point Break anyone? :p

    With the paraplegic and 'avatar' elements, again, I think it's all unintentionally similar. It's no different from a crippled do-gooder who becomes a god or superhero, in this case Marvel's Thor and TV's M.A.N.T.I.S.
  • JJ
    Ummmm....James Cameron wrote the shooting draft of Point Break. He didn't get credit, but....


    Anyway, I agree with the guy below...If Cameron is borrowing from anything, it's probably Dances With Wolves.
  • Chris
    Epic win for mention of M.A.N.T.I.S.
  • Luke
    It's ridiculous to attack James Cameron for "stealing" anything when so many authors and filmmakers are still INSPIRED by so many other stories.
  • Jehosophat
    The difference is that James Cameron has in the past opened his big mouth in interviews stating that he ripped off the Terminator from some old Outer Limits episodes AND Harlan Ellison short stories.

    You just don't fuck w/ Harlan Ellison and get away with it.

    If he used the word "inspired" that would've been different.
    But he literally said "Oh I just ripped off some old Outer limits episodes."

    Consummate professional EFX artist & blockbuster maker that he is - the dude has a horrible track record of not watching his own god-damned MOUTH.
  • marco_r84
    Look at Star Wars (OT) ... Everything in that films (especially in A New Hope) has had been there before. And nonetheless, George Lucas "invented" a whole new sci-fi era. Like someone said here before, everything has been seen/written/read/listen to before... In a 1000 of years, there will be no new music, because all kind of rythms had been used by artists by then.
  • sanyo
    HA! I fucking KNEW they looked like Andalites from the Animorphs series!

    ...

    >_>
  • MickJ
    Very niiice. Those were fun to read.
  • Crashlander
    Great. Now I know how AVATAR ends.
  • Hneyr
    Change sci-fi to western and Avatar becomes Dances with Wolves.
  • MiraFlor
    or last samurai
  • alittler
    We have known how the movie was to end the second we got an even basic plot summary
  • magz
    or ferngully! YAH!
  • Jonmc123
    I think I've seen something before about this "Call me Joe" story being one of Cameron's inspirations. I'm sure he's read this novel before, as alot of his movies that deal with sci-fi stuff have something to do with the stories he loved to read as a child. If thats the case however, I'm sure that Cameron will credit the author in some way or another. Like RussFischer said below me, he could be connecting the story unconsciously, but I think Cameron is smart enough to notice if he did that.
  • Odinson
    Or mischevous & scheming enough to try to get away with it without crediting the author.

    He's done it BEFORE ! ! ! !
  • EvanJDeBiase
    Terminator is also a pretty direct rip of bladerunner except the machines kill you
  • Movementarian
    My film teacher told me that James Cameron got terminator from a dream he had in which WB sent a robot to kill him.
  • frug
    Hmmm... The story of a depressed soldier who loses the ability to walk from a battle wound only to be have his ambulatory abilities restored when the military gives him access to better medical technology. He is then assigned to investigate an unexplored frontier where he encounters a group of natives who are not as backwards as he has been lead to believe. He becomes integrated into their society and falls in love with one of their members and is eventually forced into a battle between the military he is loyal too and the new friends he has come to respect. Now I've never read, or before today, even heard of Call Me Joe, but that summary sounds an awful lot like Dances with Wolves to me.
  • The Last Word
    I've been practicing law for 15 years, as a litigator, and have had occasion to deal with copyright issues. Cameron's "inspiration" seems pretty clear cut, as does his violation of copyright law.

    In this case, he didn't even bother to change the color of the character -- do you think the look of his characters and the cover image to the 1957 novel are coincidental?

    While there's a finite number of plots, copyright law protects copyright holders from those seeking to infringe on the expression of the idea. In this case, it's clear from your description (and the picture on the cover of the novel) that Cameron infringed. Basically, Cameron used someone else's original idea to pen a script and movie, using all of the key elements. Simply saying, "Oh, that sounds like Dances with Wolves (which incidentally was written decades after "They Call Me Joe") doesn't excuse Cameron's infringement.

    The fact that Cameron was caught doing the same thing previously speaks volumes. Like most of Hollywood, he is quick to claim credit for something he didn't come up with. . . .
  • MiraFlor
    that Titanic movie he made was also a rip off. That whole sinking of the "Titanic" really happened. Jeez Cameron, get it together. god.
  • frug
    I'd like to see your sources on this.
  • fanboy_d
    READ THE ARTICLE
  • starscream9289
    While we're at it, why not accuse it of ripping off District 9?

    The main guy turns into an alien and betrays the humans by fighting alongside the aliens.

    IT'S SO OBVIOUS!
  • presto117
    while it couldn't have possibly ripped off District 9, audiences are gonna say "that's kinda familiar" and it's gonna be friggin' awesome.
  • Smedley
    Look ,SARCASTRO - He's been caught doing this before.

    The dude's a douche - and the author of that book is a real person whose ideas shouldn't just be turned directly into a movie without aknowledging that a young James Cameron clearly read the novel - and 35 years later comes up w/ the exact same story - thinking he thought it up himself!

    If that happened to you - you'd SUE.

    We're not trying to sink Jim's TITANIC. We're saying his TITANIC hubris has been shown in the past to get the bastard in a potential heap of trouble.

    AND FURTHERMORE - he could avoid this entire shebang (as he could have avoided with the terminator) by simply contacting the author & saying - hey I'm making a film inspired by your novel, mind if I give you an "inspired by" credit?

    That way no one would accuse him of being a ripoff.
    But he's said it himself: "Terminator? Oh, I just ripped off some old Outer Limits episodes & Harlan Ellison short stories."

    YOU JUST DON"T COME OUT AND SAY SHIT LIKE THAT OPENLY IF YOU DON"T WANT TO BE SUED ! ! !
  • FreakCLAW
    A real person who has been dead for 8 years.... and now he is actually getting some recognition from people who should've been reading his stuff years ago.... Maybe people will start picking up Heinlen, Turtledove, and Le Guin as a result of realizing that any story out there has already been told several times. How come nobody bitched about the fact that Equilibrium was a complete rip off of Fahrenheit 451, that Matrix ripped off Ghost in a Shell, District 9 and Alien Nation. You can't tell a story without drawing a line between it and seven other stories that have been around for a hundred years... Sci fi especially is just a retelling of stories already told in a different setting. At least he admits that he is ripping it off.... that's balls. Most people use the whole influence thing as a cop out.
  • jaganar
    =] thanks , i forgot about equilibrium /farenheit

    and while we're on it THX1138 was the original matrix dont believe me
    Watch it and then compare the stories.

    [SOURCE : WIKI]
    THX 1138 is a 1971 science fiction film directed by George Lucas, from a screenplay by Lucas and Walter Murch. It depicts a dystopian future in which a high level of control is exerted upon the populace through omnipresent, faceless, android police officers and mandatory, regulated use of special drugs to suppress emotion, including sexual desire. .

    and the matrix
    [WIKI]
    The film describes a future in which reality perceived by humans is actually the Matrix: a simulated reality created by sentient machines in order to pacify and subdue the human population while their bodies' heat and electrical activity are used as an energy source.
  • The Last Word
    True enough, there's only a finite number of plots elements available in any story, sci-fi or otherwise. But the law prohibits you from incorporating/arranging/sequencing specific elements as a result of someone else's labor.

    Think of it in terms of a phone book. The names are always going to be exactly the same, but copyright law makes it illegal to copy another phonebook and say that its your work. Think in terms of music -- there's a finite number of notes, but I can't take David Bowie's "Under Pressure," tweak it, and attempt to pass it off as "Ice, Ice Baby."

    The same principle applies to stories. I can't incoporate all the elements of a story, and then change the characters, and the ending, and say that the story belongs to me. So long as there is substantial similarity between the original work and the allegedly infringing work, you're going to have a problem.

    Ask Rob Va Winkle, who tried to pass off David's Bowie's "Under Pressure"

    start loading up your writing with specific elements elements
  • existenz
    Smedley, you sound an awful lot like Odinson, Jehosophat, Numb-Rod and djoser. Either you are the same ranting fool using different screen names or there are a few serious Cameron haters here.
  • jaganar
    @StarBlazer101

    District 9 >>MIB>> V / Battlestar galactica
    (either way the whole thing has to do with Immigration XD ) altho id fuck kara thrace & 6 till my heart stops

    except mib has strict policing rules in place.
    and for the rest of us .. what EFFIN episodes of Outer Limits does terminator copy , i read a lot of it here and not once are you guys putting a title for the OL episodes .

    JAG
    (and i aint impressed that none of you WoW fans have come out with the accusation for Moonbreeze as the source for the lead female in Avatar !)
  • Random_CG_Artist
    He managed to rip off Call me Joe, Delgo, John Carter of Mars, Dances with wolfs, Smurfs, Star Craft, FernGully, Warhamer 40K, Pohahontas, WOW, Halo , Final Fantasy, Matrix , Tundercats, Pixar, Anime ....

    And all that in same movie.

    Is he good or what?

    This is getting out of control. :)
  • Star Craft? Why? If you say Warhammer 40k you don't need to mention Star Craft! Ò_ó"
  • Dr_Handsome
    I don't have the attatchment to James Cameron some others seem to have but it doesn't seem like the two have all that many similarities.

    So both are about parapalegics who, using military technology, are given (in two distinct ways) one more chance to walk again... and eventually both want to stay inside their new bodies.

    Avatar doesn't even go near the whole telepathic body thing, right?
  • Indie What?
    Um, yeah. It does. Hence the title of the film.
  • Dr_Handsome
    Oops, my bad... should've noticed that. I still think it seems more of an influence than a lift.
  • will1138
    Hmm... and here i thought it was a remake of Dances with Wolves and The Last Samurai.
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