TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN

Producer Don Murphy maintains a pretty lively website and forum that was crashed for a bit this morning when Roberto Orci confirmed in a forum post that he and Alex Kurtzman would not return at all for Transformers 3, leaving script duties entirely in the hands of Ehren Kruger. (Well, not entirely, as Michael Bay will have his input.) This is no surprise to anyone who’s been following along over the past couple months.

One poster asked today if ‘Bob and Alex’ really weren’t returning for the next film, to which Orci responded “It’s true.” Back in March, Orci had intimated, also on Murphy’s forum, that the pair would not return to write the third Transformers film. “Time for fresh blood!” Orci said . “The main reason we would move on is because we risk getting stale and comfortable. If you only sing one song for too long, you miss the opportunity to sing news songs. We’ll see.” Since then, the screenwriting name bandied about with respect to the film is Ehren Kruger, who also worked on Revenge of the Fallen.

I’m no great fan of Kruger’s, and many peg the writer’s work with Michael Bay as being the source of the ‘humor’ in Revenge of the Fallen that many found juvenile and terrible. (And, judging by the box office numbers, more found delightful. Go figure.) Can we expect more of that funny stuff in the third film? Seems reasonable to assume so at this point. The most interesting post from Orci, however, was one concerning the crude humor of Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. One post brings up anecdotal tales about parents not taking their kids to see the second film because of the humor, to which Orci responds, “I can’t blame them.”

Meanwhile, we know that Bay has a story in mind and is already beginning work on the third film for that 2011 release date that Paramount announced and Bay originally renounced.

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  • chris
    i dnt get y every1 hates transformers 2 it was a great movie better thn the first 1
  • NostalgicAutobot
    Frankly, i think Bay has ruined the franchise. Not from the standpoint of the storyline, because we all know transformers has always changed significantly from series to series, and even had serious contradictions within the original series, but with how kid-friendly these movies are not. Come on! I mean the whole point of these movies is to sell toys. If these movies are too trashy for parents to let kids watch, why would kids want the toys. If a movie is meant to sell toys, it should be made for kids. It should not be made to satisfy the perverted sense of humor so many in our generation (the 25-35's) have developed. What future does the franchise have if children can't watch? Where will new fans come from? I sincerely hope the new series that is in development by Hasbro and Discovery kids network (which Hasbro has bought a 50% stake in) will be a return to the decent entertainment for kids, that transformers used to be. I don't believe Transformers should go back to the campy, mind numbing stories that it exuded in the 80's, but at least take the Autobots back to having some level of decency. The supporting Autobot characters in these movies are more perverted, more degenerate than the Decepticons in the movies. Does that make sense to anyone? When Ironhide speaks lines such as Punk A** B****** and Megatron delivers cleaner lines like I'm gonna kill you boy, that's just a little bit backwards. At any rate, the new series in development can't possibly be worse, or even as bad, as the degenerate, perverted crap that Bay has filmed. You could get a cleaner film by going to a construction site and dipping the cameras in the portable toilets.
  • CMCJ
    I've read all of your posts and I cannot believe the asinine comments about Bay and the Twins.

    Michael Bay is one of the most talented directors of all time and can create action scenes and sequences like no one else in the business.

    If you thumb through titles of some of the highest grossing movies of the last decade (hell, of all time) you will see his name MULTIPLE times.

    The twins were absolutely HILARIOUS, and they make my day each and every time I watch the film.

    If you want "dark" then go see the Dark Knight or something... I don't remember any of the Transformers Gen 1 cartoons being "dark" for god's sake it was a CARTOON!

    I will agree that these movies are not appropriate for children.... but they are NOT CARTOONS.... if you want your children to see transformers then buy the original cartoon series on DVD.

    I implore you to HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR, and take the time to watch the special features to see and imagine the amount of hard work and effort that went into creating the images and action sequences that you so easily dismiss as "terrible".

    My ONLY complaint for TF2 is that Sideswipe didn't get more attention.

    Every time I see Optimus transform, or Bumblebee fight, or Ironhide shoot... I get goosebumps... it's a shame that some folks can't enjoy the film for what it is.... A FICTIONAL WORK OF ART.

    Thank you for your time.
  • Tanaka Prime
    CMCJ,

    I totally agree. Asking Transformers to be more than what it is is like asking coffee to be more bitter and black. However you can still get different flavors of it.

    Let me say that almost no one cared about the story of Transformers and if you did you're asking or too much. Believe me I love a good script and can recognize a great screenplay but when things are naturally FAKE (like cars that change into alien super robots) its hard to take it seriously from jump street.

    Dark Knight was cool because it was more believable hence pretty good script and carefully done screenplay. Same as The Rock which Bay did. But with no FAKE circumstances its easy to believe these films. What it looks like is that most people want something from Transformers that simply can't be delivered and that is believability. Its so outrageous that it will never be an epic script but it will be what it is an all out action movie with lazy dialogue. However when you diss this film you disrespect the hard work the ANIMATORS did on the robot models which is simply incredible. Transformers is defining what CG work is capable of if anything. No one can deny that. I implore anyone to disagree.
  • Tanaka Prime
    CMCJ,

    I totally agree. Asking Transformers to be more than what it is is like asking coffee to be more bitter and black. However you can still get different flavors of it.

    Let me say that almost no one cared about the story of Transformers and if you did you're asking or too much. Believe me I love a good script and can recognize a great screenplay but when things are naturally FAKE (like cars that change into alien super robots) its hard to take it seriously from jump street.

    Dark Knight was cool because it was more believable hence pretty good script and carefully done screenplay. Same as The Rock which Bay did. But with no FAKE circumstances its easy to believe these films. What it looks like is that most people want something from Transformers that simply can't be delivered and that is believability. Its so outrageous that it will never be an epic script but it will be what it is an all out action movie with lazy dialogue. However when you diss this film you disrespect the hard work the ANIMATORS did on the robot models which is simply incredible. Transformers is defining what CG work is capable of if anything. No one can deny that. I implore anyone to disagree.
  • Kaz
    I have a fabulous idea for T3 which involves not only the arrival of Unicron, but also Deaths Head. Heck, I'm even going to write a screenplay and submit it. Will even write a blog on it, see how much interest I can get.

    Those that rave on about the movies really need to read the comics, they are much darker than the cartoons or the movies.
  • ty
    the wrong people are leaving. Get rid of Bay! To cut out the crap for T2 for my three year old to watch, it means he watches the trailer!
  • betweenthelinesread
    Dipshits. It's TRANSFORMERS not Driving Miss Daisy.
    It's an Action movie. Things Blow up, Hot chicks, Protagonist saves the day.
    If you really expected to get an oscar-worthy performance from a movie about fighting robots... i suggest you raise your hand, and swiftly slap yourself across the empty container you call a head.

    Quit whining, you're probably going to go see T3 anyway.
  • yo mama
    transformers are dumb and so are the fans
  • Noob
    your all pathetic people. get a life. no1 gives 2 shits what u think about this movie. especially not michael bay who earned more money from this film then all of you combined in your lifetime. the movie was good. get over it.
  • Narrox
    Finally someone who understand. Both movies were good. If you dont think it was good, you simply didn't understand it. Like one of the other comments says: the scene where Sam died and went to robot heaven was a bad idea. Hmm. I can't find another way he could have earned the matrix, that would have given more sence.

    Like i said. If you don't like it. You don't understand it.
  • lol@the pussfaces
    yus well said!! for all you who piss and moan whine about fuck all and try to shit all over a director get fucked!! Transformers was well made, i would love to see what all you so called critics could come up with if Bay gave you 5years all his gears and support. you would have people like yourselves pissing all on you for the shit plots characters and storyline. If you don't like don't watch it and just shut the fuck up.
  • Name
    Thank you! youre awesome for saying thaat! i blew up on that Sh@# head SYNErgy and said the same stuff! this movie was absolutely amazing! Thay all are pathetic gnomes that need toget a grip on life. That movie F@#$ing rocked. CAnt wait for a possible Transformers 3!

    _@#$% you critics_
  • Blair Thandi
    I heard that prowl and wheeljack are going to be in transformers 3, is this true.
  • Spirit
    wow people that did not like the 2nd movie ( revenge of the fallen ) are out of there mines.... transformers has been around a long time and i don't see any reason why they shouldn't keep going with them.... but they should put in old charecters too like hot shot and red alert.... but i think a third one should be great
  • Peter Griffin
    So here we go with Transformers 3.. So is it me or is Michael Bay trying to be another George Lucas (remember the Star Wars series with that lame Jar Jar whatever). It just happens that Michael Bay is upping George by adding even more lame characters..
  • turok1134
    Uhh... Why are you acting like making 3 movies in a series is so unheard of?
  • Peter Griffin
    I have no problem with Transformers being a series of movies, it's the lame characters that are added to the movie ( the twins as an example) that ruin the whole idea. Come on now, do we really need those lame characters to be in the movie.
  • chillout26
    what did everyone think rotf would be?? seriously?? second installments of movie franchises are always the most epic an big as far as action/fighting. the more action, less plot. no action, full of plot. no plot, all action. tryin to do too much with rotf will kill the movie dead as much as bad humor etc. the main draw for films like this is the action, hello??? big fighting robots people. not pussy ass actors with performances that attempt to win academy awards. nobody watched the cartoon and was like "good dialogue, for a saturday morning cartoon." go bay, thank you for the live action transformers movies.
  • dirtycs
    I like what you said chillout26.
    And basically if you ever followed the original cartoons and comics.. there was good storylines, but its not like they were academy award storys... they were fake characters and action figures! Look at what the writers and producers have created from such a simple thing.
    Im all for great plots and actors and no plot holes but come on; these movies are awesome for what they came from! its fun to see old school stuff from growing up become integrated into live action, 3d animation type movies. looking forward to the 3rd even if its cheesy
  • Name
    Transformers 1 and 2 were the 2 best movies ever made, you idiots are insane.
  • Mr.tallica
    Rotf one of the WORST MOVIEs EVER!!!!!!! Ever!!!!!!!!I Hollywood is a joke bottom line and the punchline u people who fuel it with ur money LOL
  • Royalstoner
    Yo man Transformers 2 ROTF was mad don't go dissing good owrk you no good son of a B*TCH
  • Esben Madsen
    Oh you doe-eyed optimists who actually thinks there is just a shred of hope that TF3 will be any different from the first 2. Please don't do anything drastic like pay to see it when it comes out. DL that shit, laugh once, and move on.
  • Phontsolo
    Great news! If only they'd get rid of Michael Bay. ;o)
  • Blake
    alex and robert are terrible. Both Transformers and Star Trek had so many plot holes it still hurts my head to think about them. I'm not looking forward to more juvenile humor but maybe we'll get a more coherent storyline.
  • Phontsolo
    Totally agree with you. Star Trek had a lot of holes. These two writers are just ok.
  • drewbstew
    How could these guys be so awesome with Star Trek, and not so awesome with... everything else? Granted, MI:III was alright, in a campy sort of way. And granted, Star Trek was a great movie but not necessarily a great screenplay.

    I'm guessing their successes with MI:III and Star Trek had more to do with the director than the material. Abrams for the win.
  • twinmom
    I don't understand how you assume box office receipts mean people "liked" the humor of the 2nd film. We took our twins to see it, HATED the robot "humor" (it wasn't even funny, let's not get started on offensive) but we never received a refund from the theater because of it, or even thought we COULD get one. Your statement would suggest that all moviegoers who didn't like the stupid humor of TF2 should have received refunds and therefore the box office receipts would have been lower, and the fact that they weren't means the movie writing was ok? *sigh* If only it worked that way. At least I wouldn't have PAID to lose 5 IQ points.
  • it is sad these 2 won't be on board... let's hope the transformer 3 is better
  • probot
    When can we live in a society when people stop giving Michael Bay there money? I think the only Bay film I actually payed to see was the first Transformers...that's last he'll see me open my wallet.
  • King Le Douchee
    You douchebags (Not you Russ) are the people that were griping even bfore the first one came out. Just be happy you got to see some giants transforming robots kicking ass. What a bunch of fucking whiners.
  • Esben Madsen
    I hate you as well.
  • Kyle C.
    Your name is Douchee! That's all I have to say about that.
  • Octoberist
    if everyone thought that way, then what defines a bad movie, your majesty? I believe that certain movies should be entertaining but just not absurdly stupid. Transformers 2 was absurdly stupid where I was worried about the intelligence of society. BUT I did enjoy part one, so don't go there pal!!!
  • Just because people have a different perspective from your own doesn't automatically make them wrong. And just because you make massively ignorant generalizations doesn't make you correct.

    If your opinion of whether a film is good depends upon how many robots explode then I can understand why you might have a problem with people who enjoy movies with plot and substance. By the way you talk, it would seem to be a foreign concept to you.
  • Dysthymia83
    Ehren Kruger has written 1 good movie : "Arlington Road". Everything else on his filmography is feces.
  • Kyle C.
    The crass unfunny humor of Transformers 2 (I refuse to call it by the other name) ruined that film for me, Shia going to robot heaven didn't help matters either. I really liked the first one but Bay really fucked up the sequel. I'm officially done with that franchise, and Bay as well. I keep hoping he'll follow up the greatness that was The Rock, but I honostly think the more successful he gets, the less he cares. That's why the first Transformers was good, The Island bombed and he realized he actually had to put some thought and care into a film. Then Transformers was a huge hit and he transformed back into the douchebag who made Armegeddon and Pearl Harbor. I just hope that audiences noticed the dip in quality (I doubt it) and don't turn out for TF3.
  • Name
    u should really learn how to spell. Honestly is the correct way and I loved TF2, as u call it. Armageddon and Pearl Harbor are also 2 of my favorite movies, so get over yourself & learn to enjoy things for the way they are.
  • jackdurden
    They blamed Michael Bay for the racist twin Transformers. But Transformer Heaven? That was all them.
  • edc2
    you mean the Transformer Heaven from the comics from years before the movie?
  • Tetsuo_Man
    Let me explain a bad idea... if it's a bad idea in the comics, just don't add it. Kinda like Wolverine's bone claws... bad idea, no... a stupid idea, so let's just forget about it and move on.
  • mchops
    As long as bay doesn't touch the script that's the key.
  • turok1134
    Sucks. They're solid writers when given the time to write something adequate, which they were not in the case of TF2. Oh well.
  • Great to hear this, finally they will have more time for some good projects like Fringe or new Star Trek. Judging by rushed release date and new writer, Transformers 3, 4, 5... will be even worse that the Revenge of the Fallen was. Transformers 2 without bad and childish humor and some half hour of the running time could be even good movie.
  • clarencesomerset
    I'd rather think they had done a decent job with the script - but that wasn't what we ended up watching. Things get changed a lot during shooting, and I won't be surprised if a director like Bay decided to make the changes that dumbed down the film e.g. the Twins. Look at what Orci and Kutzberg did for Star Trek - not a masterpiece by any standards, but a pretty solid scipt all the same. I blame the director.
  • Revenge of the Fallen had writers!
  • punchline
    I can't believe anyone blames someone other than "Bob and Alex" for the terrible humor in ROTF. That same terrible humor is what killed Transformers 1 and Star Trek for me.

    Where's the "Phantom Edit" for these three flicks?
  • bomberman
    Star Trek would be tricky and really unnecessary.

    Transformers 1 and 2 would either be 5 minutes of madness each... or a blank screen
  • Esben Madsen
    Actually if you skip by all the scenes that has humans in them TF1 becomes much better.
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