Kurtzman and Orci

Screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman haven’t yet started writing a Star Trek sequel, but last week we published some quotes from the duo talking about the debate of revisiting an old story/villain, or exploring new territory (something we’ve discussed about in a past video blog) This weekend at the Transformers 2 junket, my good friend Steve from Collider was able to probe them for more speculative details.

Here is a nice excerpt from the interview:

We have had discussions about the debate of the exploration sci-fi plot where the unknown and nature itself is somehow an adversary or the villain model. That’s an active discussion we’re having right now. In terms of thinking about more than one movie, we want the movie to be self-contained in a way, but we’re discussing the idea of having a couple of threads where if the second movie works, you could pick up into a cohesive whole. No thread more exciting and shocking for me when in Star Trek III you realize that Spock grabbed Bones and downloaded his Katra into him. When I saw Star Trek II I was like, ‘What’s going on here?’ and two years later, you’re watching it and you’re like ‘They’re geniuses! They’re geniuses!’ So we’re trying to think is there a version of that but again, Star Trek II does not rely on that thread, even though it turns out to be a thread. So we’re thinking in those terms.

I think most people will agree that the villain Nero was the weakest element of JJ Abrams’ Star Trek, and it would be nice to see a sequel which completely foregoes the traditional villain and is more about the concept of exploring new worlds which may offer its own mysterious antagonist element.

I’m also happy to hear that they’re also thinking ahead to a third film, because it would be stupid not to. Star Trek is not a self contained story, its a series. Unless the sequel bombs horribly (which would be completely unexpected) we can expect at least a couple more. So why not tie the stories together, even if just a subplot. Many sci-fi geeks have acclaimed Empire Strikes Back for the cliffhanger ending. And I feel that films in recent years like Pirates 2 have handled this aspect so horribly that the concept now has a bad stigma attached.

You can watch the whole interview on Collider.

  • Craigasorusrex
    Man that all sounds so great. It means that we might get an even more TOS inspired sequel in the sense of exploring characters that are completely unknown to Starfleet and Kirk and for everyone else on the Enterprise for that matter.

    Those were always my favorite episodes. Like "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" boy was that a great episode. The last scene near the end of the episode with the split shot of the last inhabitants of Ariannus running towards the transporter as images of destruction keep flashing. Good stuff.

    Anyways can't wait and I hope Abrams comes back even if he isn't signed yet.
  • Solid
    They should back to the future part 2 it. Have the characters go back to the first movie or something like that.
  • Lawdog
    Please don't have to evacuate a colony before their star goes supernova. Please don't have to evacuate a colony before their star goes supernova. Please.
    If you go with space as the adversary, please hire an astrophysicist as a special consultant...and listen to him.
  • David
    It would be really great if the hired a great sci fi writer to team with these guys. Hell, if Harlan Ellison is still breathing, paying him a million bucks. Star Trek was fun, but way too empty-headed and story-less for my taste. Loved the channeling of McCoy.
  • NappyP
    I thought Nero was great. His only flaw was lack of screen time. I personally would love to see him return, but more fleshed out. EB brought that character to life. I would love to see what he can do with a role that requires him to grow.

    If there is a 3rd down the line, I'd like to see him appear in at least one of the new ST movies again.
  • Evan
    I don't necessarily agree with the assertion that Nero was bad either, or that we should forgo the traditional villain. Most folks agree that the best Star Trek is Wrath of Khan, which had a huge, over the top, scary as all hell villain. I think the idea of discovering new worlds and new civilizations works great for a cerebral TV show, but is also the reason why Star Trek TMP fell flat. You need an epic story, which is hard (not impossible) to do without a good central villain.

    I want them to bring in Khan somehow. Maybe that could be the thread. They could discover something about the Augments in the second movie, then maybe the third movie deals directly with Khan and the other Botany Bay people.

    We'll see...
  • tHE
    I'm all with you guys. Nero was the weakest part of Star Trek??? Sure, right... okay.... Angry angst ridden Spock was the worst part of the film. I'm not a trekkie, but wasn't he suppose to be all "logical". Spock just came off pissy throughout the entire film and even in the end, I thought he was just a gigantic asshole with little to no redemption besides the fact that Leonard Nemoy showed up to remind me how badass Spock can be.
  • Baine Bodey
    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, didn't care for the "new" Spock, liked everyone else though, especially McCoy and Scotty.
  • cant wait for the sequel no matter what the plot is!
  • This is good to hear. I just hope the sequel will be a good one and that they don't somehow ruin the franchise.
  • DRF
    Look at that picture. Label it "The Shortbus Duo." Their script for Trek was so retarded, they should take a 5 year mission in seeking out new plotlines, new ideas and boldly write a script without a crayon.
  • Javin_Bell
    Haha. That picture is fucking awful. The dude on the left (kurtzman or orci?) has a "you go girl" look on his face.
  • wrongturn687
    Good news and I can't wait for sequel, but I just can't get this question out of my mind about the scripts they wrote for Transfomers 2 and Star Trek. So, I'm pretty sure all of you have seen Star Trek and the first Transformers by now, but I just have a quick question about the humor and dialogue Kutrzman and Orci wrote for the scripts in both movies. So, first after hearing most of the early reviews which are mixed at the this point if not a little more on the negative side almost all of them say that one of the major problems with Transformers 2 is the cringeworthy dialogue and tedious dirty humor that the first movie had. I find this especially interesting because so many of these critics hated it in Transformers, but thought that it really worked in Star Trek. Now, we all know that the humor in Star Trek was almost an exact mirror image of what we got in Transformers with the whole really awkward, dirty and random jokes that each character would say almost every 5 minutes and I'm not trying to say by any means I didn't like that stuff because I thought it worked so well in that movie and is also why ST is still my favorite movie of 09 so far. It's just that I don't get how the same writers of Star Trek make those humores and random jokes work so well in Star Trek, but make it come off like something a 10 year old or 13 year old wrote in Transformers. I mean is it their relationship with Michael BAY, Paramount or what because I just can't understand that ?
  • Adam
    i just think it was the direction of michael bay. transformers 2 had some truly terrible dialogue, and some painfully unfunny' moments. Man that film sucked.

    Star Trek had some pretty dumb humour too, but the way it was handled by JJ and the actors, especially Chris Pine, meant that it worked. I mean that swollen hands thing should not of worked, but somehow it did. Abrams is just a far better director than Bay.
  • ziggi
    i fear trekkie fan winking and canon nods and cameos of famous trek characters (harry mudd and wife D: khan, young picard, etc) at the expense of great futuristic science fiction storytelling. i hope im wrong.
    i would also say bring some great sci-fi and futurist writers onboard. i have no faith that these guys can deliver beyond intro movie.
  • Rockie
    here's to hoping they can give me wrath of khan chills........the last 20 minutes of that film are cinema gold Star Trek or no
  • Tarnwood
    Tangent comment.... does R.Orci (the guy on the left in the photo) look like a scruffy, greyheaded Lt. Data?

    Uncanny...
  • Its obvious. You've got a Spock that's a man 130 years away from an erased timeline. He's got 130 years of life experiences that would be valuable to EVERYONE: technical know-how would be a start, but he's the guy that's gonna know EVERYTHING that the Federation needs to know about all sorts of people, places, and things. How about a Federation that gets a 130-year jumpstart in technology and intelligence?
  • max314
    Orci and Kurtzman are the some of the laziest, hackiest writers going today. It's not that their screenplays are always categorically shit. Usually, they're just plain soulless. Generic. Idealess. By-the-numbers. No wonder they're so successful. Every now and again, they work for a director who no doubt develops all the ideas and then assigns the writers in question to get it down on paper in a coherent manner. Or they work on an existing script and take top billing as screenwriters. I think even people who liked the new Star Trek agree that the script was the weakest element. They should choose somebody else to write the sequel.
  • Chaya
    And this is where Spock's mindmeld with Kirk comes in
  • frelling_cute
    If you are going to start from scratch. Do Not go back to old villians and plots.
  • They did an amazing job with the first one, let's hope they keep it up. What I think is that they should introduce a lot of new elements but also include a lot of old elements. Or at the very least leave a few Easter eggs in for the original fans.
  • Colonel_Kurtz
    @max314: Spock wouldn't do it.
  • mbellerbrock
    Although their point still stands, I hope they realize that the idea for the Katra didn't come about until Nimoy decided he wanted to do ST3. Originally that gesture was just his improv way of saying goodbye to it all, since that was when he decided he was done portraying Spock.
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