basterds_cuts

Forcing a filmmaker to submit to editorial oversight can be a good thing, but when the Big Brother hanging over your Avid is Harvey Weinstein? Things can get ugly. We knew that Quentin Tarantino was making some cuts and changes to Inglourious Basterds in the wake of the film’s Cannes Premiere, tightening that 2 hour 27 minute cut and even adding a scene or two. But Sharon Waxman at The Wrap claims that The Weinstein Company wants Tarantino to cut a massive 40 minutes. Is this an artistic move to strengthen the film or a desperate bid to squeeze more cash out of the film in August by keeping the running time down? With The Weinstein Company having massive cash problems, what do you think?

What Waxman says is this:

Weinstein and co-producer Universal are both trying to convince Tarantino to cut it by 40 minutes. (It’s now 2′40″, and considered too long a sit, especially for American audiences.)

But that’s not quite true. The Cannes cut was 2′27″ (as pointed out by The Playlist) while the longest edit Tarantino could deliver while still retaining final cut (which he still has), is 2′48″. So he doesn’t have to give in to Harvey, and very well might not. Consider what Tarantino told The Hollywood Reporter about the Cannes cut:

It’s a no-fucking-around kind of pacing. That doesn’t mean it’s a big action movie. It just means there’s a good, steady pacing. I don’t luxuriate in every scene.

Regardless, I’m hoping this is the end of the Tarantino/Weinstein partnership, no matter what happens to TWC when all the financial troubles are said and done. This is why, when reporting on that likely baseless rumor of Tarantino and Brad Pitt circling The Millennium Trilogy, I parenthetically wondered if Pitt might only be producing. Because at this point, please, get Tarantino away from the Weinsteins. If Quentin and Harvey ever had a real Hitchcock/Selznick relationship, it is over. Time to move on. Set up shop with Pitt’s Plan B (or anyone, really) and make a picture under the influence of people who actually like movies.

  • oats
    Oh no!
  • Matt
    Fuck the Weinsteins!
  • snakedawgg
    I don't really know whose side I should take.

    On the one hand, there is Tarantino, whose movie Inglourious Basterds didn't exactly receive the best of reviews during its tenure at Cannes. And let's not forget that most of the criticism was directed at the movie's length and tendency to devolve into long drawn conversations.

    Even as a Tarantino fan, I found the conversations in Death Proof to be overly long (to the point that it almost becomes overindulgent). Maybe someone does need to put Tarantino's dialogues on a leash?

    On the other hand, there is Harvey Weinstein, who is well known in movie circles for being rather greedy and condescending. And while I might want to have Tarantino on a leash, the last person I want to have doing that is Harvey Weinstein...

    My hands are folded on this one...
  • Zach
    Seriously, WE WANT THE LONG CUT. Tarantino fans want to see as much of his brilliant work as possible.
  • Longer cuts don't always make it better. The longer cut of Gladiator is an example of it deteriorating with the extra length.
  • Lawdog
    I want the best cut. I don't care if it's 70 minutes or 700. I trust Tarantino to make the tough cuts as much as he loves to hear his own dialogue. Let's be honest, we love to hear his dialogue too. This sounds like a case of too much of a good thing taking away from the moment. Just think of all the awesome deleted scenes you can watch on the DVD.
  • I love Tarantino movies as much as the next guy, but maybe this is a good thing. This will likely add to a larger theatrical draw, which will lead to more money for Tarantino to make more ridiculous movies, I'm sure at least a few people are weary of him after Grindhouse.
    Plus, this way we can all look forward to the extended Blu Ray or DVD of the flick. I'd love to see the full thing in theaters, but some movies have been saved by trimming a bit of the fat (see anything by Richard Kelly).

    General audiences do like more action and less self indulgent (I know we all enjoy it, but come on) dialogue, so this is likely the wisest decision for the studios. We can't be THAT mad at them, they are giving us an awesome movie and we'll all be able to see the full cut soon enough, let 'em make their money.
  • I don't want the long cut, I want the RIGHT cut. That's wildly subjective, but I want a cut that works. I don't care if that is 100 minutes or 160. If the cut that works is shorter than the Cannes cut, fine. As long as the story is told in the best way possible with the footage QT has, that's what I want to see.
  • I want Tarantino's cut. And if it is inferior, then we shall judge him on it. Only fair.
  • I dont know about that.. Let a director direct and an editor edit.
  • When QT finances his own films, BC, he can make films as long as he wants them. Or if he regains enough box office mojo to demand final cut in his contract. Otherwise, what's "only fair" is that the studio have a voice in the final product.

    I know we hate to admit this, and lord knows I hate the studios when they ravage good films just to meet their bottom line, but here's the deal: John Sayles can make whatever movie he wants to make because he self-finances everything. If you work with a studio and you don't have final cut, you take your chances.

    Or you do both. Look at Steven Soderbergh: He makes a number of studio films, in which the studio has at least some voice in the final product because THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT. He also makes some independent films (Bubble, The Girlfriend Experience, et cetera), in which he can do whatever he wants.

    Movies cost money to make. Want complete creative control? Write a book.
  • terminals
    The article says he has final cut as long as it's under 2'48".
  • I want Sally Menke's cut with Tarantino's oversight. If they can both look at it and decide the pacing is where it needs to be, in spite of or in consideration of length, then that is the cut I will want to watch.

    There is always the DVD for an extended version.
  • I'm not sure who to side with here. The Weinsteins for the most part are idiots when marketing Tarantino's movies. So I can't say if this is good or bad for Quentin. But a longer cut doesn't always mean "good" either.

    Just as long QT is fine with the end result then it's all good.
  • I would normally post my own comment, but I pretty much agree with you. so I'll leave it at that.
  • Paul Walter Hauser
    DEFINTELY a MONEY ISSUE. It's the friggin Weinsteins.

    Keep in mind, the audience that is going to flock to this film doesn't give a SHIT about running time. This is not an elderly audience that falls asleep or a young teen audience with ADD.

    This is a Tarantino audience; a built-in audience. Cutting 40 minutes is a big deal. Boast your DVD extras and goodies all you want, but when we're paying 10 bucks a theatre viewing, GIVE US THE BEST VERSION OF THE FILM.
  • booboopoopoo
    I mean, yeah...it's the Weinsteins. What self-respecting Jew wouldn't wanna squeeze a couple dollars out of a penny?
  • handjobfury
    I love Tarantino but i think the cut might help him. I watched the directors cut of Death Proof and that extra half hour was pretty useless. His last two (or three if if you think of kill bill as two films) films have shown that not only hasn't he grown as a filmmaker i feel that he has regressed. HIs movies almost seem self aware, like they know that they are tarantino movies. His choice of hiring shitty actors that can only deliver in that "Tarantino" style makes every character in the movie a split personality of Quentin himself. I think the cut would help, because even the greatest of filmmakers need some mediation on their artistic vision, especially someone with an ego like Quentin's.
  • i hate when studios interfere with films like this.

    film school 101 tells us that the best way to cut time out of your film is to cut out a complete subplot. like cameron did in the abyss or what ridley scott did for kingdom of heaven with the whole subplot involving eva green's on screen son.

    i do remember that the weinsteins wanted him to cut stuff out of the Kill Bill when it was meant to be one film, but then they allowed him to cut it into 2 separate films, one in tribute to eastern films and the other in tribute to spaghetti westerns.

    at the same time as tarantino was making kill bill, martin scorsese was makinh gangs of new york and he wanted and asked the weinsteins to release the films as two parts, but he was denied this. in the end he had to cut gangs down to a watchable time limit, but the story totally suffered in the end and the film did terrible at the box office.
  • Really, "The Abyss" is used as a good example? The theatrical cut is awful due to the entire US-USSR subplot being removed. The Special Edition, aka the one that Fox didn't want, is a vastly better film.
  • FilmFan1
    I want the Tarantino cut. As a huge fan i strongly believes that he knows what is right for the film and as you can see above he said that the cannes length is right! Fans love his films and his dialogue is one of the reasons i am a fan. Either way, we will see Tarantinos version on the DVD if it dosent appear in the Cinema.
  • Too long a sit? Were the country with the highest obesity rates. We watch on average 6 hours of television per day, I'm sure we can sit through a damn 3 hour movie!
  • It doesn't actually matter if the film is strengthened or weakened by re-edits, it only matters that it isn't the Weinsteins' choice to make.
  • Deviant
    They can chose not to release it. Final cut or not they have the final say.
  • bomberman
    thanks for the fact check.
  • But the point is if they didn't want Tarantino to make his own damn movie, then they should have invested their money somewhere else. Seriously. Why have someone make a movie for your studio only to butcher it due to what you think it should be like? They are not filmmakers and it is not their own personal project - they honestly do not know what is best. If they are only out for money, why the hell don't they invest in something the majority of idiotic America will buy into, like Paul Blart or Fast and Furious.
  • The
    For realz. Did the Weinsteins watch any over QTs other films??? They ALL have long overdrawn conversations that don't lead to anywhere in particular (but are fun to watch if you're a QT fan). Basterds not being "short" was almost a given.
  • jake
    Harvey Weinstein is the Bobby Kotick of the film industry.
  • *shrug*
  • what if they do something out of the ordinary? The bigger theaters play a shorter cut while some independent/art house theaters play a long cut...either way, I want to see Tarantino's cut, but whatevs...
  • I'm with snakedawgg and Captain Awesome. This IS a tough call.

    If there were different parties involved, I might very well toe the party line: "fuck the studio, go with the artist." But we know QT's propensity to be a little overindulgent with the length of his cut.

    The Grindhouse version of Death Proof is SO much better than the "individual" version, in my opinion, for exactly that reason. (As handjobfury noted above.) And wouldn't Jackie Brown be a much better film if it was tightened by a good 15-20 minutes? Just that much, over the course of a film, can make a world of difference.

    Ultimately, the Weinsteins aren't filmmakers in the slightest, and they've certainly made some questionable artistic decisions in the past. But I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that they're just trying to add daily showings--they might really feel it's a better film with some trimming (though 40 minutes sure is a lot).

    RussFischer probably said it best. Don't give us a long cut or a short cut--give us the RIGHT cut. Whatever that should be.
  • yeah i mean cutting planet terror/death crash into 2 seperate flicks was a kick in the teeth for us europeans/irish already , I think if the director feels it should run at 3 hours or what ever it should be upto him ,not some poxy studio- sure if they had there way it would probably be pg13 rated for god sake!!
  • Dan
    I've often wondered why the Weinstein Bros. are even still in the movie business because now they just seem to buy films so that they can shelve them or at least re-edit the life out of them. I would think that just like Kill Bill and Planet Terror/Death Proof, they're wanting to double dip on DVD, but hell they're still dragging their ass on releasing Whole Bloody Affair and Grindhouse. No wonder there's virtually no directors still on their side from their Miramax days.
  • ... Actually, after the long rant, I let the notion of "40 minutes" sink in with me a bit. That is a hell of a lot of movie to cut from a film that's currently at 160 minutes -- 25 percent, to be exact.

    Given that, I guess I'm leaning toward QT's side a bit more. Maybe they're asking for 40 because they want him to cut 20, and knowing QT, and the fact that he's been working on this dream project for something like 150 years, there's likely 20 minutes in there that would fit better in deleted scenes.
  • Damn 40 mins!?! I just hope they don't cut the any of the Nazi skull bashing out...
  • bomberman
    Dear Russ, I love this post. especially for the "harvey weinstein over your avid" bit.

    I no longer care if the TWC, Dimensions, and Miramax hit rock bottom. The Scissorhands himself needs to be stopped
  • Patrick S.
    First, Harvey Weinstein split "Grindhouse" for its DVD release, now this? Give us all a fucking break. We have been waiting for this film for years. All of that waiting only increased our want to see the film more and more, and seeing it in its entirety will have us more than satisfied. Dammnit. Whay the fuck can't the Weinsteins just leave things the way there are? The original theatrical release of "Grindhouse" clocked into about three hours. I managed to stay throughout the entire film. Forty minutes is nothing. I really hope that Quentin Tarantino will not succumb to the demands of the Weinsteins. I think we all know by now how passionate Tarantino is when it comes down to cinema.
  • Harvey Weinstein is a fucking genius, and his brilliance has served Quentin well in the past. I don't know what you guys are complaining about. What movie of Tarantino's did Harvey screw up so far? Oh yeah... none of them. Producers aren't always the bad guys, no matter how powerful they are. BTW when someone asks for 40 minutes to be cut, it means they want 20 minutes cut, and Weinstein isn't gonna shy away from the violent stuff.
  • Jason
    How could you be dumb enough to ask Tarantino to cut 40 minutes of a film he created? Its not Weinsteins art is it now?
  • arminzellers
    producers are more valuable than most people give credit. The Weinsteins are genious' in their own right.
  • Lukas
    The Weinsteins have said it before, that Mirimax (and by association, TWC) is "the house that Tarantino" built. So perhaps they should just let him do his thing and hope he saves them. If he doesn't, it can be the house that Tarantino knocked down too.
  • I want Tarantino to decide. But on another note, I may be pointing out the obvious, but I've noticed something lately. As of late, "Director's Cut" has become synonymous with "All footage shot is cut in." I hope Tarantino focuses on the best film, not the most time.
  • Ron
    The Weinsteins are extremely hard pressed for cash and I am not surprised they aren't pressing QT to re-film major segments in order to make cash on "product placement". They are known throughout the industry for "biting the hand that feeds them" so what is new. QT just needs to write this off as another experience and move on.
  • Jeff
    Although I'm the first person to express faux outrage over news such as this, I'm thinking that perhaps this isn't a bad idea. Given that the majority of reviews have suggested that the film is a 2.5 hour sleeping pill, perhaps getting rid of some of the yack yack and adding a little action might make it more appealing. Based on the reviews so far I've lost interest in the film.
  • ale
    Nazies are such old shit... that the movie propably is gonna be better if they cut 40 minutes off... judging by the last movie by Tarantino (which was utter shit) it would be better shorter, not even good then.
  • Tyler J
    Do people honestly decide to NOT see a movie based solely on its runtime? This seems ridiculous. What kind of no-taste asshat would make that decision? Or is it because they could squeeze an extra showing in?

    If I were a filmmaker or the head of a large production company, I would prefer those people not see my movie anyway.
  • ugh, unfortunately my parents. they didn't like 'the Dark Knight" because it was "too long". Now imagine how frustrated I was at hearing that. Oh, they said the same thing about Iron Man.
  • taptup
    Considering that some reliable critics here in Europe said back in Cannes that it should be LONGER, this can't be good.
  • this is terrible news!
  • kyle
    Please dont let this happen!
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