princess and the frog

Not much going on at WonderCon today. The big event seemed to be a small panel on Walt Disney Animation’s Art of 2D Visual Effects. A bunch of the movie writers from all the movie sites were crammed into the front rows of the small conference room in hopes of seeing the first footage of The Princess and the Frog, Disney’s return to 2D hand-drawn animation. And while we did get to see a glimpse of that movie, the panel was mostly uneventful. I guess we were hoping that it would be less about the art of 2D animated visual effects and more about Princess and the Frog, but that teaches us for not trusting the official panel description.

The panel was hosted by Marlon West, a animated visual effects artist for Walt Disney Animation Studios. He started with the company 15 years ago on Lion King, and has since made the transition from 2D to 3d back to 2D again. Most recently he worked on the Goofy short film How to Hook Up Your Home Entertainment System. His job is basically to add effects to animated sequences. When a dust cloud rises from the ground after someone falls, that’s Marlon. When you see some shadows or background props moving around due to an earthquake, that’s Marlon. I learned a lot about the job of an effects animator, probably more than I’ll ever need to know. It was fascinating.

But what about The Princess and The Frog and the future of 2D hand-drawn animation at Disney? One thing West made clear is that Disney is trying to go back to their roots. He said hybrid films that combined hand drawn animation with computer animated backgrounds now have a stigma attached. And because of that, John Lasseter and company have mandated that The Princess and the Frog not look like it was touched with computers at all. In fact, most of it is not. There are no digital characters or backgrounds, and the film returns to the old multi-plane roots of Snow White. The only thing created for Princess and the Frog that is “digitally created” is the animated effects.

We were shown an early sequence where the film’s villain, a Voodoo hustler named Dr. Facilier, is giving a prince a tarot card reading. The Doctor flips the cards through the air in “maneuvers more inspired by the Harlem Globetrotters than Rickey Jay.” At one point, the arm of the chair the prince is sitting in turns into a snake and a green cocoon engulfs the royal son, as Facilier appears to grow into a giant. None of the footage was finished enough or long enough to really give you any fair review of it, but I will say it looked like an old school Disney feature film, and that made a lot of the people in attendance very happy. West showed us how he integrates computer animated effect elements into the hand drawn character and background elements in a way that everything blends together. And while future hand drawn animated features might feature more computer generated elements such as backgrounds (a la the dance sequence from Beauty and the Beast), the plan is to blend the elements together so that they seem stylistically as one.

West says that Disney plans to have a digital animated film out every 18 months and a traditional hand-drawn animated feature out every two and a half years. The Princess and the Frog is scheduled to hit theaters later this year, and the digitally animated Rupunzel is scheduled for 2010. But what does Disney has up their sleeves for Summer 2011?

  • King of the Elves is still wrapped in mystery in regards to its animation style; nobody really knows if it's CGI or traditional. However, that's coming out in 2012. In the meantime, I can't find any info for 2011. Strange..it could be a top secret project..
  • King of the Elves is, I'm pretty sure, CG. According to some animation commentators around the web anyway, when it was first announced.
  • I can't wait for it. A Disney animated film based on a Philip K. Dick short story? Count me in..
  • AbruptFan
    sounds like the film could be great - now only if Alan Menkin were doing the music. personally menkin's work was what did it for me with the disney classics (ie. rennaissance), a fact that i only just recently realized when i watched Enchanted
  • marz
    i always wondered what happened to disney puting out animation movies just about every summer.i always looked forward to what was coming out...but then it stoped and you'd see a C.G.I movie out every now and then.i think it started with dinosaurs.dont get me wrong,i love C.G.I but i'd like to see traditional hand drawn movies thrown in to.i't be kind of cool to see a movie where you have 2d characters at war with 3d characters...fighting for their right to exist...and even tho i hate remakes,i'd love to see another who framed roger rabbit using the effects they have now.
  • 'Princess and the Frog' sounds like the type of film which will regenerate all those happy memories of my childhoood.:D Also, I hope that 'Frankenweenie' and 'Toy Story 3' live up to my expectations. I was brought up on Disney films (Lion King, Jungle Book, Toy Story, Little Mermaid, etc), and I hope they can continue on with their classics even as I venture further and futher into adulthood.
  • Well, even though it's hand drawn, the coloring is still done with computers. They haven't done ink and paint on cels in years. So it's not a real multiplane camera like they used to use...just a lot of compositing. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it certainly makes it easier to plan layouts.

    Frankly, I don't care if entire hand drawn features are drawn digitally on a tablet (like the Goofy short was). It's impossible to deny that digital advances will change even hand drawn films. But as long as hand drawn features exist, I'll be happy. I kind of depend on the idea that 2D will make a comeback...
  • Hopefully this will mark a comeback for Disney 2-D animation.
  • finally, a black Disney princess.
  • hahahaha
  • nice ideas.


    toy story is what really started the 3d for them wasn't it? and it was a movie based in present day, while most of their previous 2d stuff was indeed fairy tailish.

    Rapunzel does sound dumb in 3d.

    i'll just keep my fingers crossed that PnF is a masterpiece, sells like crazy, and pushes Disney to return to roots, and spur a "renaissance"
  • Rapunzel is going to be a mix of 2d and 3d technique. The real work will be convincing to give the film more of a 2d feel and movement.
  • me too. the kids of today will finally have a 2d Disney (gem? i hope so) of their own.
  • sounds like a bummer at WonderCon. hopefully the next few days improves!
  • sounds like a bummer at WonderCon. hopefully the next few days improve!
  • Neal K. Patten
    It's Official: This Film Is Animated In CGI!

    I've gotten it confirmed that it will be animated in CGI!

    Electric Shepherd Productions was founded by Philip K. Dick's daughters as a way to consult with other film production companies to preserve their father's work.

    http://www.electricshepherdproductions.com/

    I emailed them about "King of the Elves".

    To Whom It May Concern:

    I am interested in the upcoming film adaptation of "The King of the
    Elves" by Walt Disney Animation Studios. I was looking for some
    information concerning what medium this film will be presented in.
    Will it be traditionally animated ala "The Little Mermaid" or animated
    in CGI ala "Wall-E"?

    Thank you in advance,

    Neal Patten


    THEIR RESPONSE:

    Hi Neal,

    This will be a CG animated film.

    Thanks for your interest,
    Kalen Egan


    MY RESPONSE:

    Thank you very much for such a prompt response! How closely is
    Electric Shepherd Productions working with Disney on the film and any
    notion of when we might see some sort of visual development art or
    concept pieces? I've only managed to find a single storyboard image so
    far!

    I'm extremely excited for this film!

    -Neal P.


    THEIR RESPONSE:

    We're very excited about it as well! At this time, I can't go into the creative relationship between ESP and Disney simply because the process is still in the very early stages-- they're targeting a 2012 release date. I don't know when more images will be made available for the public to see, but please keep checking our website for any updates as they come.

    Best,
    Kalen


    MY RESPONSE:

    Alright, thank you! I look forward to future updates!
  • I wish they would at least keep fairy tales and familiar folk stories to hand-drawn animation, and the other original ideas to CGI... It just irks me that Rupunzel is going to be in 3D, when I see no reason why that can't be 2D... I guess it's up to the director, though, and "whatever suits the material"... I'm just biased, with my love for hand-drawn animation, and am embittered that audiences typically seem to find it as an inferior medium in this CG revolution...

    Hopefully there will be a Disney "renaissance" but judging by the somewhat uncomfortable trailer for Princess and the Frog, I don't know if we will see it... Although I would likely eat my words, maybe I wish they had made their comeback with something a little "safer," if you know what I mean... It just begs for controversy, having two white directors make a story about a black princess (not to mention a borderline offensive lightning bug)... but hopefully "any press is good press," or that the movie will simply outshine any silly accusations.
  • StepInFetchIt
    this movie will flop at the box office because nobody is interested in watching an African-American princess. Obama fever is over, his approval rating is tanking, and House and Senate Democrats are emasculating him. this whole glass ceiling thing for Blacks in the US is OVER. Now that Obama has offically blown it with his troop withdraw and stimulus package, this will be the last we'll see of African-Americans in the spotlight. It's a shame that Disney is doing this story as their re-entry into hand drawn animation. It's going to doom that art for good.
  • No one is interested in seeing it because because it stars a black character? Even if your fallacy filled logic is somehow true there are still millions of African American families that would still be interested.
  • freemachine
    I recall when Disney fired almost all of their hand animators and pretty much closed that division. I was heartbroken. I'm glad they are moving back to 2D, because 3D animation is so played out these days, especially with studios cranking out really low quality pictures just to please the kiddies.
  • marz
    there's always an ass hole in the crowd and i guess this time around it's step.he wears his prejudice right on his sleeve.i mean damn,get over it.it's 2009 not 1809 or even 1909.how the hell do you go from a discussion from Disney movies to politics??!! but hey,any way to get ya ignorant opinion out huh.i'm kinda surprised peter didn't delete it.. I've been coming here and posting for years but it's shit like that that'll make a /film fan go else where. Hey step,go and fetch these.
  • In other words, we can't compete with other studios 3D projects so we have to fall back on the fading legacy of our once good movies.
  • More like "we own the best 3D studio in the world that can produce multiple films a year now so there isn't much point in us doing that too."
  • Remember when people said the CD would kill the vinyl album or when Photoshop would annihilate the use of organic mediums like paints and paper?

    I do.
  • love, love, LOVE Miyazaki as well.
  • Miyazaki is just plain awesome, and I'll gladly show his movies to my kids (when I have them) anyday, along with cult movies, the classics, and lastly no G*d darn remakes.
  • 2d is still my preferred and favorite style of animation. 3d has tired me out and it doesn't have that feel and movement I see with 2d work. Whatever means they use now whether its digitally assistance or some sort of computer enhancement to speed up the work process, is fine. Just as long I can get hand-drawn coolness. Like the great work I saw in the Gotham Knight DVD.

    Looking forward to Miyazaki's new film and the newly added Kill Bill sequence by Production IG. I really hope that animated Kill Bill film by Production IG happens at some point.
  • Miyazaki is the greatest animation director ever. The english dub of his new one should be coming out this year and I am very excited to see it. We got to sudy Spirited Away in my first semester film course and it was one of the better ones we did all year.
  • Shadow
    I saw Ponyo, and if you love his animation, your eyes will jump out of your head during parts of this film, trust me.
  • So jealous you got to see Ponyo already.
  • alex
    wondercon was quite wonderful on saturday with some great panels. I saw the first 45 minutes of up and it was awesome
  • our "ONCE" good movies? So Dumbo is no longer good?

    No matter what you think of Disney, you can't go and say "Let's disregard the classics because the studio is inconstantant quality control!"
  • That's their plan. They have a proposed 3 other film concepts in the works. And Roy Disney is also planning to get the studio back to the days when they would do more experimental stuff like "Destino" and "Fantasia".
  • "...this will be the last we'll see of African-Americans in the spotlight."

    haha, you can't be for real.
  • Weyland_Yutani
    Yeah, absolutely. I can't wait to see the new IG footage for the Kill Bill release. It should be something very cool to see.

    I maintain that if Kung Fu Panda were made entirely in the style initially introduced in the film, that it would have had the potential to be a true classic, as opposed to another 3D film released in 2008. The opportunity was there, but with Dreamworks this is probably never going to happen.

    The coolest move that could bring the most excitement to a Sin City 2 film would be the inclusion of some animation done in the style of the comic book. Perhaps, that possibility has passed as well, but it's what I always dreamed of for Sin City.
  • The intro to KFP was amazing. I would love to see a film resemble that style. When Sin City was first being pitched around as a movie. The studio who worked on The Maxx MTV series were doing a concept for Sin City. But it never got off he ground.

    It's what started the whole "Let's make it into a movie" instead excitement.
  • Weyland_Yutani
    Didn't know about that with regard to Sin City. Rough Draft could have done something very cool. I'm not disappointed in the way Sin City turned out, but maybe there is still hope for an animated segment someday if the pieces for SC2 (sadly) fall apart.
  • oh, I totally loved what Rodriguez did with the film. From start to finish. But I've also would have loved to have seen what RD would have done in animated form.

    I still hope SC2 happens. Maybe if Quentin has more of an influence and he convince Robert to insert some cool animated stuff into it ;)
  • ceej
    Tyler Perry, anyone? I mean, as much as I hate his movies, the guy knows how to stay atop the box office
  • dulver
    Hi - The lady who came with Disney gave me a card about the apprenticeships. There is a great deal happening - go to www.disneyanimation.com - the card says - you find the apprenticeships under careers . . .
  • Weyland_Yutani
    That's great to hear, dulver. Best of luck to you if you are applying. However, I'll just note that I was speaking a little more broadly about the idea of apprenticeship. Like any skilled profession, there has to be a pipeline of knowledge being handed down from professional. As every decade passes, there will be fewer and fewer skilled and experienced artists teaching the craft.

    As it stands, one Disney film every few years is pretty slim with regard to many beginning (2D) animators finding that experience - the type that will propel the medium forward into the future with new dreams and strong talent.

    Remember, for it to be a thriving dream, and a viable one, there has to be opportunity. I'd be surprised if 2D television animation ever finds its way back to North America (I'm talking about the actual animation). Preproduction skills will still be around, but the animation depends on a lot of skilled and motivated animators.

    Again, it is great that Disney is stepping into the ring again, but I'm questioning whether or not it will be enough to sustain a nice future for 2D. Time will tell.
  • Weyland_Yutani
    It's a great plan. Disney needs to get their identity back. Just when technology provided the ability to be truly innovative in the 2D medium, the gates of 2D were closed by "the next big thing." With regard to animation, 2D has only scratched the surface of its abilities.

    Unfortunately, from my perspective, Frog Princess just isn't the film that is going to open the door again. Going traditional is a great start, but they also need to allow the artists to create something that shows off the strengths of the medium. Perhaps, this will one day be allowed to happen, in which case we can then look forward to the possibility of a new interest in 2D and a comeback.

    The sad thing, of course, is that the days of traditional 2D learning and apprenticeship are gone. The medium needs a new generation of "Black Warriors" (the pencils) that are hellbent on creating their art in 2D. Where will these animators (North American anyway) come from when the torch is passed?
  • oh, I totally loved what Rodriguez did with the film. From start to finish. But I've would have loved to have seen what RD would have done in animated form.

    I still hope SC2 happens. Maybe if Quentin has more of an influence and he convince Robert to insert some cool animated stuff into it ;)
  • I cant tell if your serious or just being a troll. Im gonna with a little bit of both, and maybe throw in some crazy too.
  • Wow, I am so very excited about The Princess And The Frog!! I'm sure this will definitely put Disney back on the map, as well as show that ALL little girls can have an idol and someone to look up to. Thanks Disney, and best of luck with Tiana! ;)
  • Rapunzel is sort of a different case, they are using some brand new techniques to essentially make the CG look painterly and traditional.
  • Hmm, well that sounds a little more interesting/original. I'll keep an open mind about that.
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