Dark Knight ReturnsAt the Watchmen panel, Zack Snyder expressed his love for Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns, in response to a question about the more mature direction of comic book adaptations.

“There are a lot of other graphic novels out there, but I would love to see Frank Miller’s Dark Knight made into a movie, but that’s just me.”

Later at the Entertainment Weekly Visionaries panel, Frank Miller told Snyder “You can do it anytime you want to Zack”. To which Snyder said he was making a note of Miller’s response. Now I know this is very speculative, but even Batman producer Michael Uslan has already expressed interest in a possible adaptation.

Miller’s four-issue comic book miniseries, Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, was first published in 1986. It has since become one of the most popular graphic novel/trade paperbacks of all time. It reintroduced Batman to the general public as the psychologically dark character of his original 1930s conception, and helped to usher in an era of “grim and gritty” superheroes from the mid-1980s to mid-1990s.

Set 20 years in the future, criminals run amok and a gang called the Mutants terrorize Gotham City as superheros are a thing of the past. Bruce Wayne has been retired from crime fighting for ten years following the death of Jason Todd, the second Robin. Despite Wayne’s funding the rehabilitation of Harvey Dent (Two-Face), Dent returns to crime. Wayne dons the Batman costume again and apprehends Dent, but the populace debates whether Batman is a savior.

But with Nolan expected to return for a third chapter in the series, might/could Warner Bros also launch a secondary Batman film? This practice is common in the comic book industry, where top franchise characters usually have a few titles running simultaneously, in addition to the occasional one-shot mini-series/graphic novel… Also, is Zack Snyder the guy to bring The Dark Knight Returns to the big screen?

  • krackajap
    I'm gonna wait till Watchmen releases before I declare Snyder to e the master of comic book adaptions but I'd say he's as good a choice as any.
  • This would be the worst direction for batman to take. Nolan has nailed the feel of the comics, while Snyder's would be a green-screen disaster. Not to mention 40 minutes of actual footage slowed down to fill out a hour and a half film. Hopefully he can do something great with Watchmen, but right now this is just as bad as Paul WS Anderson getting the stamp of approval from Miller.
  • To be fair, who ISN'T interested in The Dark Knight Returns movie?
  • Captain Awesome
    I have to agree what what's been said. If he can capture the Watchmen's backbone in the film well. Then maybe...

    But for now Nolan is king Batman director. And I have a really hard time picturing anyone else doing Batman justice.
  • Tom
    I still think Synder has something to prove. I loved day of the Dead, but 300 was nothing stellar for me.
  • I think we've all seen that he can make a good action scene. But he hasn't shown he can do actual dramatic scenes. 300 had ZERO character development, and Dawn of the Dead only had one scene. Batman is more about the drama than the action, not sure he could do it.
  • water2funk
    How dare he!!!!

    I bet Nolan thinks Snyder is a toolbag. I mean did he seriously just try to seriously pimp himself for a dark knight returns adaptation? I'd expect a little modesty from the guy who gets to direct Watchmen right after 300. Keep this guy away from Batman!!!!

    It's the Nolan way or no way.
  • M&Co
    Sounds awesome to me - although it's going to mean tens of thousands of pissed off and confused punters who went in expecting a sequel to TDK.
  • Rex
    Sounds awful to me, no, no & no to everything
  • charles
    Let Nolan finish first then Zack can do whatever the fuck he wants to Batman.
  • Rockme
    Awful, Zack his stuff turns to shit, Dawn of The Dead was pretty crappy and 300 is a popcorn movie good for a few rewatches.
  • I liked 300 and the Watchmen looks good, but I don't see Zach Snyder working with The Dark Knight Returns material. It's one of my favorite books and is definitely not a popcorn movie such as 300. Although I'll have to wait and see how Watchmen turns out, I vote for Darren Aronofsky to direct The Dark Knight Returns.
  • Oscar
    It won't happen until Nolan is finished with Batman, we already saw how he reacted to Justice League and Batman was just part of an ensamble in that one. But speaking of adapting graphic novels, I think Nolan and Bale have both had an interest in doing Arkham Asylum.
  • Please don't make this a movie. The story is way to good for the general public, they will never understand.
  • Rob
    I don't know if Snyder is the one to do the Dark Knight Returns, but I have no problem with two different Batman universes in film. How many different independent Batman titles are there in print now? It hasn't hurt the the title.

    Nolan has a wonderful take on Batman, but his reality view of Batman wouldn't work with the Dark Knight Return (how do explain Superman in a world based in reality). I think the Dark Knight Returns is different enough from Nolan's Batman that it wouldn't confuse even the dumbest fans.

    Also, in reference to the Justice League comments. The Justice League movie actually had a positive response with fans at first especially with George Miller attached to direct. Fans were turned off with their 90210 take in casting the movie. If the George Miller Justice League moved forward with a more adult and credible cast (instead of casting to appease 16 year old girls), it would have been a project many fans would be juiced about.
  • Adam
    I'm on the fence about this.

    On the one hand I'd really like to see A Dark Knight Returns movie- I've said that that should be the baseline for a Batman vs. Superman movie, so once Nolan's finished for good with the franchise I say don't just give it to Zack Snyder, the new ultimate purveyor of all movies based on graphic novels, but take the time to fid the right person.

    I don't know who that is, but I'll wait and see how Watchmen goes.
  • I think fans and regular movie goers are smart enough not to get confused by a Batman film outside Chris Nolan's current universe. Personaly I would love to see Micheal Keaton star in a Batman: The Dark Knight Returns playing an aging Batman. That film would also make a fortune! It would also be a great story on film!
  • dopiestghost
    No interest in a Dark Knight Returns adaptation. I prefer original Batman stories on film.
  • REAL6
    Zack Snyder if a fucking clown and tool!!!
  • Brody
    Why would anyone wanna disrupt what Nolan is doing right now. Let him make his third movie and then let the Batamateurs fuck everything up again.


    Zack Snider should know better.
  • Mayroth
    Make it animated. Dont screw around with Nolan's vision of Batman, it's perfect. If they want to make a Dark Knight Returns film, animate it like Gotham Knight and Superman: Doomsday. DC deserves a good animated flick (so does Marvel).
  • StephenG
    Look, I worship Nolan and Goyer as my personal gods, and I think that their vision of Batman has been the best thing to happen to the character since the graphic novel boom in the 80s (The Killing Joke, Dark Knight Returns, etc) but I say since Nolan has made it clear he intends it to be a trilogy, make a Dark Knight Returns movie. It's one of the greatest Batman stories of all time and it deserves to be immortalized in film. And for Zack Snyder, I'm a huge Watchmen fan and he really impressed me with the trailer and his overall faithfulness to the novel, so I'm all for him directing it.
  • Captain Molotov
    I just lost all respect for this guy and as cool as Watchmen looks it just made me want to see it a lot less for lack of wanting to put what will then be $9.50 in this guy's pocket.

    This prick is just jealous because The Dark Knight is a lot more brilliant than 300 (which was good, but not great.) I'll literally hunt him down and kill him if he does this unless it's animated.

    The saddest thing is that I bet the studio will let him get away with doing this because hey, there's money in Batman now. I thought maybe there was some kind of code amongst artists- why would he piss all over Nolan's Batman by distracting everyone with his own unless he was just a greedy fucking coward?

    He owes Nolan big time - literally half of his Watchmen audience will be there strictly from seeing the Watchmen trailer WITH The Dark Knight. Yes, I know, Nolan doesn't pick the trailers, but still.
  • Captain Molotov
    And PS: Yes, people WOULD get confused. In fact basically ANYONE who doesn't go to websites like this one, would get confused.

    "Aww, why isn't Christian Bale Batman? Why is the whole cast different?"

    (Then, when Nolan's third Batman comes out.)

    "So wait, now they're all back?"

    People are fucking stupid and everyone knows it. Don't tell me your "not-in-the-know" mom or dad or sibling or ditzy girlfriend or "bro" isn't gonna have to ask you to explain it to them.
  • Not Mark
    No movie at least not as a sequel to the Dark Knight. (how you going to explain Robin is back?)..

    Just do a animated series in Millers style and then take the time doing several one hour episodes to do the entire thing instead of compacting it down to 2 and 1/2 hours. By the time it is done, plenty of theaters will have digital projection and you can show it there.
  • orange cinema
    they need to wait at least ten years to make this. any sooner is a BAD idea.
  • brian
    Robert Rodriguez is a shoe in to direct.
  • IAmTheBatman
    If he does good with Watchmen, then yes.
  • 01bat
    300 had cool factor because fans loves the source material, and it was cool to see some images recreated onscreen. But in directing that film, Snyder was doing the filmmaking equivalent of copy & paste, then using slooooo-mo to rub it our faces and say "see? see? i read it, and look, this slow bit looks just like that panel there!". Not hard with a $100m+ budget. But taking that approach quickly becomes boring for the audience, and something of the essence of the source material was lost among the incessant shouting and overblown performances. Simply recreating someone else's images on a big screen requires no talent, and I'm still waiting for Snyder to show us that he has some. A real director can make a quiet scene as completely engaging as a big battle -- Snyder failed dismally in the quiet dialogue parts of 300 (and Dead in my opinion), and it wasn't all the screenwriter's fault. I think Watchmen will most likely demonstrate once again that he is good at asking his art director and DP to copy the look of something, but the rest might seem tired and wholly disappointing.

    i.e. No.
  • DeadByDawn
    I think that it would be hard to bring the dark knight returns to screen like that.There is way too much going on and the end battle with superman alone i couldn't see being done into film.Now,a animated film would be way better look at what the last season of batman the animated series.there is an episode named Legends of the Dark Knight where these kids tell stories of what they think batman would be like.The second one is ripped right from dkr.That is sick IMO so,if dc animated would make a movie and release in the theaters like they did with batman the mask of the phantasm everybody would be happy.Let's see what zack does with watchman who here thinks he will make a movie that is so unforgettable like nolan did?

    here is the link for those that have not seen the dk clip

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoZLPwRCjcQ
  • DeadByDawn
    I think that it would be hard to bring the dark knight returns to screen like that.There is way too much going on and the end battle with superman alone i couldn't see being done into film.Now,a animated film would be way better look at what the last season of batman the animated series.there is an episode named Legends of the Dark Knight where these kids tell stories of what they think batman would be like.The second one is ripped right from dkr.(if you haven't seen it,look up Legends of the Dark Knight on you tube it's the first one)That is sick IMO so,if dc animated would make a movie and release in the theaters like they did with batman the mask of the phantasm everybody would be happy.Let's see what zack does with watchman who here thinks he will make a movie that is so unforgettable like nolan did?

    here is the link for those that have not seen the dk clip
  • gah
    Zack is pigeonholing himself as the "comic book guy". Its not a wise career move to do another comic book movie. Plus, I don't really think he's very good.
  • Pill
    There was already an animated adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns, it was a segment of an episode from The New Batman Adventures, and had been done in Miller's style.

    I'm all for a live-action interpretation though, Snyder isn't exactly a dream director for it, but I'd be more interested in seeing this then more of Nolan's shit.
  • Danny Glover for batman!
  • Moviola
    I would say that the next live action film would be using The Dark Knight Returns as a heavy influence, but the problem is that they won't have the Joker back for that film. To me, Rachel is the replacement for Jason Todd, the reason Batman questions his own code. "If he kills the Joker, won't that save lives?"

    I think Empire mentioned that they would love to see Ellen Page play Robin. That's the direction I would like to see if they make Robin a character, especially with those green goggles from DKR.

    An animated film would be a great way to make DKR. I'm not big on all this green screen shit. I happen to side with Alan Moore on the Watchmen, though that trailer looked good. Although I think the main reason he's not interested in the film is artistic integrity. When the movie version of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was sued for copyright infringement, it made Moore look like he ripped something off. In fact it was material that did not come from his comic that was stolen. I think that soured it all with him, and I get that.

    DKR is Batman's end game and I'd love to see it on film, but not Zack Snyder's way.
  • StarBlazer101
    ii say
    UWE BOLL SHOULD DIRECT THIS!!!
    i kid, i kid XD
  • 88
    This is exactly what the doctor ordered.

    Snyder may not be any sort of genius, but he's a great and energetic transcriber.

    DKR is amazing stuff. Transcribe it faithfully and you've got a movie to end all movies. Come on: Batman fights Two-Face, a mutant street gang, the Joker and Superman all in one story???? It's perfect, and Miller's Batman is a greatest triumph and subversion of the character in existence.

    Personally, I wish Nolan's version of Batman had evolved closer to DKR. TDK was a downer and deconstructed the character in ways that are, bluntly, a total freakin' drag.
  • 88
    This is exactly what the doctor ordered.

    Snyder may not be any sort of genius, but he's a great and energetic transcriber.

    DKR is amazing stuff. Transcribe it faithfully and you've got a movie to end all movies. Come on: Batman fights Two-Face, a mutant street gang, the Joker and Superman all in one story???? It's perfect, and Miller's Batman is a greatest triumph and subversion of the character in existence.

    Personally, I wish Nolan's version of Batman was a bit closer to DKR. TDK was a downer and deconstructed the character in ways that are, bluntly, a total drag.
  • 88
    A Snyder DKR would be the perfect next step. Nolan keeps making noises like TDK was his last Bats picture; fine. TDK was a bit of a drag. Nolan's got some tricks, and the movie definitely has moments, but it ain't what it coulda been and it never amounts to even the sum of its parts (as cool as some of those parts might be).

    Snyder's no genius, but he's a sharp and energetic transcriber. I think Watchmen will prove to be more than he can lift, but DKR is brutal in its directness and simplicity and it would be totally suited for Snyder's cro-magnon apppoach.

    Not only that, but DRK is so strong, so monolithic, that all you really have to do is transcribe it and you've got the Batman movie to end all Batman movies.

    This is a great idea. Get Miller involved. It'll be huge.
  • 91939
    He's in the process of butchering Watchmen, he can't be allowed to butcher anything remotely Batman. Didn't Snyder just recently say that Batman would be raped in prison if he directed Batman? Not that he would literally do THAT (maybe, who knows?), but it's indicative of his ridiculous reasoning. But I guess to him it's all cool/awesome/super-awesome, since those are the only 3 adjectives he knows how to describe anything with.
  • Julio
    Zack Snider is highly overrated.

    While his movies are unique and entertaining, he's nothing special.

    And seriously, let Nolan make his third film before the "others" screw up the Batman franchise all over again.
  • Albert Brodsky
    Bruce Campbell needs to get into the gym right now to begin preparing for this role.
  • Cowardymius
    orange cinema has it right. WB should wait at least 10 years after Nolan's last Batman flick before introducing such a potentially confusing story line. IMHO, Nolan should wait another 5-6 years himself after his third Batman film if he is going to continue with the francise to get a fresh take/perspective. The only downside to that is that actors age.

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  • Nothing
    ...now I can understand why those who read Watchmen are getting pissed off.

    It might not been needed in Sin City (exception to Marv) but the bulkiness of the characters was a very distinct look for the male characters in that series. Really, you gonna' have two actors (Bats and Sups) try to beat it out in body suits?

    I'm not even gonna' bother saying they shouldn't but seriously, don't try to smear a legacy. Also, it's best animated (yes, actual hand drawned) because, unless they make the best cel-shading graphics the world has ever seen, it just doesn't do the film justice.
  • MovieFan
    I kind of disagree with Snyder as a director, he is still a little green as far as a director goes. While I enjoyed Dawn of The Dead and 300, Watchmen and Batman is in a completely different league.

    He gives good visuals, but I feel he will ruin Watchmen cause the man can't write a good script, just copy/paste comic into film. That just won't work with Watchmen.
  • It needs to happen. I would much prefer they wait until Christian Bale and co. have settled into the characters more, so that this story has more meaning than to just recast older versions of everyone. After all, Bruce Wayne is 55 years old in The Dark Knight Returns. That's not to suggest we should wait 20 years to see this happen, but perhaps they plan it as the last chapter in the Bale era of Batman films, however many that might end up being.
  • Ry
    What about bringing back Tim Burton to capture the darker side of Batman again?
  • That's actually a pretty cool idea. Maybe someday, after the Bale era, Burton can re-inlist the original Batman cast and do a Dark Knight Returns send-up. In fact, the more I think about that, Burton might be the best choice, since DKR has a pretty satirical slant to it, and is, for lack of a better word, 'far-fetched' enough that it wouldn't fit very well into the world of what is established with the Bale films. Plus, Keaton is probably about the right age now, or pretty soon to portray an old Bruce Wayne. And Jack Nickolson? Yeah. Hell yeah.
  • MovieFan
    I kind of disagree, though Tim Burton did a great job with Batman, his style is a bit too campy. DKR is pretty gritty, and uses topics you don't really find in a comic book. DKR was a genre changing comic for batman, Burton like to go a little old school with his.

    The choice of cast would have to be new as well. Keaton may be the right age but he could never really play the "disgruntle" side of Bruce Wayne . Nickolson would be waaaayyy to campy for this version of the Joker (not to mention too small), it needs someone bigger, and more effeminate.
  • bRUCE wAYNE
    Tim Burton did a amazing job on batman what the heck you talkin' about? The story sucked but the look and the performances were influencial to the comic book and the cartoons and even Nolan admitted taking a little here and there from the comics and from the film noir feel...He just didn't want to film it on a "set" like burton did ...so he used chicago a real city instead...don't hate on burton and call his shit campy.....adam west was campy...burt just made his "exactly" like a comic book.
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