Assessing the Themes of The Dark Knight

I hauled my ass out of bed at 7:30 AM ton Saturday morning and saw The Dark Knight at 9 AM in a packed IMAX theater, and boy was it was worth it. From the opening establishing shot, which was incredibly vivid and breathtaking, I knew that this film would be something different. It’s been said dozens of times already, but Nolan truly uses the entire screen (six-stories tall as it is) as a canvas to paint a rich and dramatic tale. My podcast review will have to wait for Monday night, but I felt the overwhelming desire to write something about the subject.

Please note: The following is not a review. I will not be discussing Heath Ledger’s tremendous performance, nor Nolan’s directorial choices, nor my problems with the film (yes, I did have some). It’s an attempt at coming to grips with some of the themes in the movie, a cathartic but not exhaustive brain dump. So here we go…

[From here on out, SPOILERS ABOUND. DO NOT READ THIS ARTICLE IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE DARK KNIGHT YET]

The Symbology of Batman

The final monologue that Commissioner Gordon brings the themes from Batman Begins to their logical conclusion: Namely, that as a man, Bruce Wayne’s powers to evil crime are rather limited. As a man, he can be corrupted, he can be killed, and ultimately, he can be defeated. As a symbol he can become far more, and at the end of The Dark Knight, he becomes, to society, an uncontainable force in very much the same way the Joker was. He becomes hunted, making people believe that he cannot be controlled, that he has lost all respect for societal norms and the rule of law. As Gordon realizes he needs to blame the murders on Batman, he acknowledges not only the need for society to push their fears onto something, but their hopes as well (which he allows them to do by preserving Dent’s good name).

In order to keep from tearing itself to shreds, society needs to believe in the incorruptibility of good and the relative remoteness of evil. The Dark Knight points us to ways in which we cope with this need.

Simultaneously, it’s also made clear that, in fact, Batman never succumbs to his own dark, inner urges. In the movie, Bruce Wayne says the line, “I’ve seen what I have to become to fight men like him,” and he rejects the path he has to take to stop Joker, a man who has no rules whatsoever. In one of the more memorable scenes from the film, the two have a showdown in Gotham’s city streets, the Joker manically screaming “Hit me!” as Batman is propelled towards him in the bat pod. As much as Batman wants to annihilate the Joker, he knows he can’t violate his own moral code, and almost sacrifices himself to prevent this from happening (albeit as part of a broader ruse to capture him). Still, Batman doesn’t seek to kill evildoers, but to bring them to justice. The dichotomy that the film sets up between Joker and Batman is one of chaos vs. order. The dichotomy between Joker and Dent is one of good vs. evil…

The Triumph of Evil Over Good

“You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”

These words, spoken by Harvey Dent in the film and its trailers, portend the inevitable corruptibility of heroes in the Batman universe. At the beginning of the film, Dent represents absolute good, a goodness that’s so pure, that has so much potential to change Gotham, that even Batman is thinking of hanging up his spurs.

Dent is referred to frequently as Gotham’s “White Knight,” a term used throughout the course of the film. I was speaking with a friend about this movie today and he pointed out that when he went to see the movie he did not anticipate “The Dark Knight” could actually also refer to Dent, a clever yet profound subtext to the film (and that’s not even mentioning the night/knight pun, which I will choose never mention again after this sentence). Indeed, Dent’s journey from light to darkness is handled plausibly and adeptly in the film, which makes his story arc monstrously tragic.

Many people have remarked on how depressing the film is and I would say that I mostly agree: The Joker’s ability to destroy that which Dent loves and turn him to the evil that he becomes is sad in a way that can only be experienced by seeing the film. But the apparent relative ease with which Joker does this is what makes the Dent storyline strike so close to home: The film makes us realize that we, as humans are limited, and that our capacity to be good is subject to the vagaries of fate and whatever the hell else decides to destroy what we love. Dent is not just a proxy for hope, he’s a proxy for us as well, reminding us of the duality that lies within each of us.

The Thin Line Between Anarchy and Order

As Nolan has stated in interviews, this movie was not meant to explore the Joker’s backstory because it’s really not that important to the film. Simply put, the Joker represents anarchy and chaos, a constant and near-unstoppable force whose origins are inexplicable (something which is made clear rather explicitly when the Joker delivers two creepily different monologues as to his scars’ origins). Many people compare Joker to other film and comic book villains but the one that I think he can be most closely associated with is Anton Chigurh from No Country for Old Men, who is a force of nature. His origins are unclear but his actions are strongly felt by those around him (to put it mildly).

The Joker is unpredictable and can’t be reasoned with, nor does he have any broader goals except to create chaos and destruction. When I saw the movie Funny Games and watched an interview Michael Haneke, I was struck by something he said: To paraphrase, he said that we as individuals have personal spaces that go unsaid but are accepted by almost everyone. When people violate this personal space, the results can be terrifying. In a similar fashion, the Joker upends the genre conventions of a villain in that he has no inhibitions and refuses to hew even to the ultra-basic moral code of criminals (see: the opening scene). When a character has no values that you as a viewer can relate to and hold on to, the results are extremely disorienting. This unmoors our basic assumptions of the person’s capabilities.

All of this comes to a head in the hospital scene, when Joker gives Harvey Dent the “It’s all part of the plan” monologue, a speech that’s chilling not just for its content and delivery, but also because of its incisive commentary for us as Americans. I will not make any overtly political statements here, except to say that the complacency with which we as Americans have accepted atrocities and miscarriages of justice committed around the world as well as right here at home may have consequences beyond what we can imagine. The Joker’s monologue points to our baffling perceptions and reactions to the events that disrupt our lives. In our society, what exactly constitutes cause for alarm? And how much sense do those standards really make?

The Terrible Logic of Human Nature

What do people do when they are put in the worst of situations? What would you do if you were given the ultimate power over someone else? The movie touches upon these questions of human nature, but they are perhaps its least developed.

We see this theme pop up several times, most notably in two separate instances. Firstly, it’s evident when Batman breaks into Wayne enterprises and gives Lucius Fox fee reign of the cell phone hackery he has perpetrated upon all of Gotham. Fox demurs, believing that one person should not have this power. People are so easily corrupted that even an initial desire to do good can ultimately lead to evil, the film seems to be saying. This is further confirmed as the entire video interface comes to a fiery end, in a spectacular Batman-programmed self-destruction.

We also see it at the very end, when two separate sets of people are given the ability to destroy each other. Given the lead-up to the film’s climactic action scene, it’s a little bit strange that the boat-bomb storyline ends in the way that it does: With both criminals and everyday citizens concluding that they won’t take another’s life just to preserve their own. Throughout the whole movie, Nolan seems to be trying to tell us we are all easily subject to the temptations of the dark side, but the rest of the movie is already so relentlessly dark that perhaps this ending was more palatable to general audiences.

Humans can’t handle power responsibly. But maybe, in our shared humanity, there is still hope for compassion.

***

At its best, The Dark Knight holds a mirror up to us as viewers and asks us to look closely, to examine ourselves as humans and as citizens. It doesn’t always do this gracefully, but it tries far more than any comic book movie in recent memory has ever done. The fact that it succeeds most of the time is a testament to Nolan’s script and artistry.

Discuss: What themes did you see in the Dark Knight? How well did you feel the film explored them?

Make sure to tune in on Monday night, 7 pm PST / 10 PM PST to Slashfilm’s LIVE page to hear us review The Dark Knight with Kevin Smith!

  • Max
    I think one recurring theme was how Batman's only true weakness is dogs.
  • hoffman
    Awesome analysis
  • I just got back from seeing TDK for the first time, so I still need time to digest (and see it again). However, I will say that with regards to the boat scene, I was very surprised that Nolan didn't have the people killing each other. It's not surprising that the film had the boats save themselves for a number of reasons (studio wouldn't allow it, story arc), but it's my opinion that if the movie had the free reign of honesty someone would've pushed the button.
  • Wow. You have hit the proverbial nail on the head, in a much more profound way than I could ever even try to, so I won't.... Kudos.
  • kadeity
    LOS ANGELES (AP) — A Warner Bros. executive says the Batman sequel "The Dark Knight" has taken in $155.34 million to top "Spider-Man 3" for best opening weekend ever at the box office.

    The figures released Sunday show "The Dark Knight" more than $4 million ahead of the $151.1 million first weekend for "Spider-Man 3" in May 2007.

    Studio distribution chief Dan Fellman says "The Dark Knight" also broke the "Spider-Man 3" record for best debut in IMAX large-screen theaters with $6.2 million. "Spider-Man 3" opened with $4.7 million in IMAX cinemas.
  • notatoad
    i really, really hope that "symbology" is a boondock saints reference, and not an honest mistake.
  • BFFredo
    Solid article. Really thought-provoking.

    As for themes, how about these ones:

    1. How evil can corrupt a system: The Joker is an agent of chaos and madness. But his actions are all for nothing if he can't reach the people who he must stop. Instead of bribing cops and DAs as the mob has done before, he instead uses his favorite tactic -- fear. He puts the families of good people in danger and then asks them to do as he says. And in the end they do because they cannot see themselves losing their loved ones. The Joker has effectively found the cracks in the wall and uses them to do as he will.

    2. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions: Harvey, Gordon and Batman go after the mob. All that does is unleash the Joker. Batman tries to save Harvey and let's Rachel go boom. All that does is bring about Two-Face. Gordon and Batman choose to save Harvey's legacy. And all that gets Batman is status as outcast. Is Gotham better at the end of the movie by the actions of these men? It could be argued that no, it isn't.

    3. "The path of the righteous is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish...": Contrast the actions of the 3 heroes (Dent, Gordon and Batman) with the responses of the citizens of Gotham and ask yourself "Do they deserve all of this sacrifice?" Time and again they turn inward and self-centered. The Joker's killing criminals and fighting Batman? No one's bothered. He turns his evil towards the Gothamites and, all of a sudden, Batman must surrender. At all times, they're looking for the quick and clean way out. As Gordon ends the movie, "Batman is the hero they deserve." Someone dark, menacing and incorruptible. Someone who'll do what they can't, won't or don't want to do.
  • bobby
    great movie but was crammed with too many things i think.
    oh and i saw it at the imax and the sound was awful..
    the score was way louder than the dialogue making plot points
    easy to miss

    anyone else have that problem?
  • igroveman
    Very "moralistic" of you in the third paragraph, but it's very unpatriotic and sounds somewhat blind to refer to "atrocities and miscarriages of justice around the world" as if they are something our country is doing.

    Give it some background by first looking up the word "atrocity" in the dictionary, then the encyclopedia as you gain a history of this word and realize it actually does depend on context, motive, and goals.

    What's so amazing to me is how our country had one of the biggest atrocities committed against it, but rather than stand by our country, all our weak-kneed country-men can do is wax keen on imaginary dictatorships and so-called injustices.

    This is even sillier against the backdrop of any comic story, including Batman, which accepts and even encourages the idea that absolute retribution enacted through violence is well desired, and even oftentimes absolutely necessary.

    More Americans need to put their mouths where their heart is, or their mind where the mouth is, so their heart can change.
  • Hupp
    With the boat bomb storyline , I thought it was more along the lines of even the criminals dont like having their hands forced to kill another. The would rather have the choice be on their own terms.
  • Vega Bro
    There were also a lot of political undertones, for example the bat sonar and spying on people being part of Batman's struggle between anarchy and structure. And how Harvey had a plan in every decision he made, but after "an incident" he became more rash and left more things to chance. And how one person took the blame for another person's actions to maintain his public image. And how Batman is given elevated power in a time of crisis and he is going to have to give it up.
  • Ditto what notatoad said. :)

    And I loved the dog analogies as well.
  • Caius
    Another theme that you might have missed is the inevitable destruction of Gotham City. The part where they're bringing out the guy who was going to reveal who Batman was, and a bunch of people start rioting, this sort of foresees the cities future. Batman cant uphold the entire city by himself, and without Dent to help him out anymore, he had no choice but to put the crimes on him to make sure Dents image remains as a symbol of hope for the cities' population.
    Batman is still stuck between preserving his own rules, or being like the Joker, who has no rules, and going out and bringing forth justice once and for all.
  • Jetpackman89
    I liked the whole idea joker brings to Batman that they have no rules, and are free from society. It explains a logical view piont of why they have superheroes and supervillians. Sure Batman can not take a life but he does have free rein, He can leave gotham he can fight crime with out a badge, He doesnt need a warrant to go after someone. Joker has no rules or nothing holding him back. He can kill with out reason.
    I also liked how the film is more of a mind war than actually physicall war. Joker in the end wins but not exactly. The whole time he wants to prove that good canbe corruitble, He fails with Batman,The Dark Knight, but successes with Dent, the White Knight, luckly at the end Batman almost takes on a jesus character by taking on the burden of Dent's misdoings. The film is deep and i loved it.
  • evan
    It's great to discuss themes, but the one thing I don't like about comic book movies - and this definitely applies to TDK - is that they (Nolan, in this case) so explicitly tell us what the themes are. I know some are comparing TDK to No Country for Old Men. Now the latter is a movie that you can have a great discussion about themes - because they are not so readily apparent. The themes that Nolan wants us to take away from the movie are printed in capital, bold-faced type by comparison.

    Still, I loved TDK - but I draw the line at discussing the philosophical/literary aspects, which are fairly pedestrian.
  • PRK
    BFFredo brought up a point some of my friends and I were debating after our first viewing, did Batman choose to save Dent over Rachel or did the Joker switch the addresses? I was on the side of Batman making the choice that Dent was more important, and backed it up by saying that there was no moment of shock when he arrived and saw Dent. Isn't that choice of choosing Dent over Rachel basically Batman/Bruce Wayne choosing Gotham's interests over his own life, and thus sentencing himself to be The Dark Knight forever?

    Was anyone else debating this? I need to see the film again to catch all the subtleties, which is for me, the highest praise.
  • Pauly D
    PRK,

    Joker switched the addresses. There's a brief moment of shock for Batman when he gets there, but he also knows he doesn't have time to save Dent and cry about not saving Rachel at the same time.
  • SUe
    Don't forget the Biblical themes, the Joker is the devil tempting Batman and the people of Gotham, and Batman takes Dents sins on his shoulders at the end and is crucified by the public.
  • Matt
    Love it! There is also a huge theme of underestimating sin. The dieing banker speaking about there being less honor and respect in the criminals of the town. When in all truth, there is no honor amongst thieves. And sin has no victory for anyone. The Joker is constantly being labeled as some two bit freak. Everyone's fear of him is low at the beginning, and so once they give him a little room, people die,get hurt, have their futures destroyed. And yes, the Batman has to take it all on his shoulders. Like Christ has done for us.
  • b
    The theme is everyone loses.
    This was one humorless, grim, mean-spirited tome.
    (Yeah, count me as the one person on the planet that hated it.)
    Terrorism and this post 9/11 b.s. has sucked all the fun and spirit out of Batman.
  • Maxwell
    On the boats: I was so glad they didn't blow each other up! Thing about this: when the Joker is strung up at the end, he says "you think I would leave the battle for Gotham's soul up to a fistfight?"

    They were battling for Gotham's soul!! And it's proof that the Joker lost that neither boat blew the other up. I don't know how realistic it is, but (and don't make fun of me here) it very nearly reaffirmed my faith in humanity.
  • evergreen
    Touching on the mentions of Gotham's fate, there's also the theme of what Gotham deserves over what it needs.

    On the other side of the incorruptible aspects of symbols, Batman, to the people of Gotham, will now be seen as corrupted, falled. Only Gordon and his family will know the truth. As Gordon points out, Dent, as White Knight, as the facade Batman and Gordon have created, is the hero Gotham needed, a hero without a mask, pure. As a criminal hellhole, they needed someone like Dent to bring the dawn. But Batman, as everyone will now see him, as Dark Knight, again through that same facade, is the hero Gotham, as a flawed place, deserves, but not the one it needs.
  • orange cinema
    @ david
    I've heard these comparisons, several times and i gotta disagree: Chigurth was motivated by money. his motives and reasons are very clear and tangible. he would not be in ncfom if the money wasn't. conversely the joker is there to oppose untangible themes. joker would eat anton and spit him out.

    a review on aicn had claimed that joker was probably a similar man to alex (clockwork orange) and the guys from funny games, and their themes. again NO F-ING WAY. the joker isn't a spoiled kid from the upper class, he doesn't even care about heygiene, and you can smell him from the theater seats.

    the best comparison was made by nolan: this guy is the shark from jaws. he moves and acts for his own survival and amusement - nothing else.
  • ReferToMaker
    It is either you smile before you die, or someone else will make you smile and then you die...
  • What I liked about the ending is that Wayne/Batman realized that he couldn't be the hero that people loved and looked up to. He realizes that he has to stand apart, that he has to be beholden to no one, that he has to make the hard choices that no one likes. This makes him more of a vigilante, but maybe this is the hero the people of Gotham deserve.

    The Joker wins in turning Dent to evil, but this makes Bruce realize that he has to be even more isolated. I don't want to jump the shark, but maybe this is an opening for Robin... Or not.
  • Clerks_girl
    The battle I had both times I saw this movie was the question

    Who do you have to screw over and to what exstent until doing the right thing, is now in the wrong?

    Bruce Wayne has to battle with his control as batman and what that means to Gotham. Does he do what's right and have the city hate him, or succumb to the city and further more ending all hope for a sold clean democracy?

    Batman truly became the dark knight in this film. Not allowing the who or what behind the wrong affect him.

    Whether a citizen for batman, or the FBI cops raiding for the 'hostages'- wrong is wrong.


    Great concepts and thoughts Chen! See you tomorrow night at 10 (and of course with Smith)
  • McLovin
    it taught me to put a smile on my face.... why so serious people.....
  • JayDrizzle
    But alas it is NOT a perfect film. How, preytale, does Joker manage to infiltrate every event or setting at his whimsy. This would take countless hours of careful planning and well payed, skilled and motivated goons. Yet Joker has no allegiances, offers nothing to co-conspirators and even offs them for his own delight. It's a major, major contrivance in a film that represents itself as the "realistic" superhero film, that Joker so unrealistically can wreak havoc simply to drive the plot forward. Add that Dent turns a little too quickly, then sorta suddenly dies so we can tie our little thematic bow. And the ferry scene? Oh come on. First, plenty of officials would suspect a larger plot to the bomb laden bridge business. Then several ferry-goers would suspect a no-win in the social experiment. And did anyone on either ferry think, "hey if we blow the other one up, that would ignite the trigger on that boat, killing us." Oh but characters in movies never communicate with each other and are dumber than even your dumbest coworker. Nitpicking? Hardly when you consider the hyperbole surrounding this thing and the "realistic" nonsense. Love Batman, still really loved the movie, but as is become thematic in Nolan's career, a couple of lame choices that stick with you near as much as the grandeur onscreen. Just think the hokey sitcom like manner in which the body double concept was handled in the Prestige.
  • Emmitt
    The whole deal with the two boats kind of reminded me of Crime and Punishment. Basically that no one could take the life of another, even if it's for the benefits of others, and not suffer any guilt or remorse.
  • JKR
    The two groups of people not killing each other on the boats is the light at the end of the tunnel for this picture. The fact that Nolan wasn't afraid enough to have redemption, as it would have been easy to keep it grim all the way through, is great.
  • brian
    JayDrizzle

    you are to be put frankly completely wrong.

    1.) just because you don't see what the Joker does offscreen does not mean he just sits around waiting for batman to do something. furthermore he isn't working alone, there are numerous references to the corrupt cops, and he has other criminals under him. they don't follow him because they're loyal, they follow him because he'll kill them if they don't.

    2. )if one of the boats blows up it would not set off the trigger. a key has to be turned. an explosion would not emulate this action. they didn't choose not to communicate with each other, the radio was killed. the captain was shown trying. the people on the boat handle their dilemma in avery human way, going through the worst of options and even coming close to doing something horrible but can't bring themselves to it.

    3.) dent does not turn quickly, his life was completely fucked over in every way. he had a very realistic response the his situation.
  • brian
    oh and you're an asshole for trying so hard to dislike suck a fucking good movie
  • Tommy Metropolis
    Well said, brian.

    Just saw the movie for the second time, both in IMAX, and it was just as good as the first time. This one's goin down in the recordbooks.

    Also, yah, i love the 'symbology'/Boondock Saints reference. If indeed, that's what it was.
  • Jerry crack corn and I don't c
    What, was this article written by a 1st year philosophy major, or intentionally dumbed down after carefil consideration of the reading audience?

    I mean you actually had to list "good over evil" as a theme? Please do not try to play collectively smarter than your individual pieces again. Just stop it.

    This is a freakin comic book movie. Everything you said above could be applied to like Meet the Spartans. Jeez.
  • Jerry Dark Knight protector of
    Anyone else wonder at the end why BM and Gordon just blamed the freakin JOKER for the murders of those six cops?

    I'm sure the public would have totally bought it, since Joker already really did work with and bribe the corrupt officers.

    The whole "Batman takes the blow for society, he is our viginlante, our Dark Knight!" speech made me want to vomit. If he chose to needlessly take the rap and have the public lay blame on him, well, you make your bed buddy. Could have just layed blamed, I dunno, maybe on like the bad guy that you spent the entire movie trying to catch who everyone on the city was in fear of and targeted by.

    Very poor writing logic there. Just for a crappy, tear wiping moment of heroic gayness at the end.
  • teastman07
    uh oh. Jerry's on that crack corn again...

    ...talkin with no sense because he's obviously a dumb sh*t..
    have you seen this movie? I wish youd take your meet the spartans BS and go kill yourself because TDK was by far way more intriguing and complex than you will ever understand.

    obviously. your 12.
  • Tommy Metropolis
    @teastman07

    Did you even read the above article? JerryCrackCorn may have no sense in picking screennames but he wasnt degrading The Dark Knight. Just the above article, which seemed to have been forced and written by someone desperate to get a "review" out quickly after only seeing it one time.

    @JerryCrackCorn

    I agree wit you.
  • Jerry crack corn and I don't c
    Er, anyone else wonder at the end why BM and Gordon didn't just blamed the freakin JOKER for the murders of those six cops?

    I'm sure the public would have totally bought it, since Joker already really did work with and bribe the corrupt officers.

    The whole "Batman takes the blow for society, he is our viginlante, our Dark Knight!" speech made me want to vomit. If he chose to needlessly take the rap and have the public lay blame on him, well, you make your bed buddy. Could have just layed blamed, I dunno, maybe on like the bad guy that you spent the entire movie trying to catch who everyone on the city was in fear of and targeted by.

    Very poor writing logic there. Just for a crappy, tear wiping moment of heroic gayness at the end.
  • Jerry crack corn and I don't c
    btw, thought the movie was alright. Just didn't care for the "batman/vigilante on the run" crap at the end. seemed really forced and rushed, and like I exhibited above, illogical.
  • brian
    the joker was elsewhere trying to blow people up on ferry's when those deaths occurred. and the end monologue made sense. anyone who isn't on the retarded side could figure out they needed dent to be the hero, not batman, cause dent is a real identifiable and relatable person, whereas batman is more of a symbol.
  • brian
    jerry's comments are always shitty and without merit anyways, so who really cares what is in is post.
  • Jerry crack corn and I don't c
    Well, the joker was also in prison when Dent was blown up and dawson was killed, pretty sure he got blamed for those.

    You failed.
  • Jerry crack corn and I don't c
    Just seemed like Nolan had no freakin idea how to end the thing, so he's like "Hey, chaps, why dunt we have Batman become a heroic bloke by having him take the blame fer Dent. Den we can have him be sort of a tragic figure yanno? Fade to black, cha-ching. Na-what-I-mean?"
  • Jerry crack corn and I don't c
    Think about it, what was the point in even capturing the Joker? There was the clear answer. Hey, you want to protect Dent and lay the blame on someone.

    Why not the dude who was behind Dent's transformation (both internally as well as externally), who called into live tv shows seen by millions, who sent torture videos to the nightly news, who everyone in the city knew was evil?????

    Having batman do it was reeeeeally over-indulgent on the part of the filmmakers to try and push the audiences sympathy buttons. It's like, if something in the movie occurs where you feel suddenly shaken out of the story, and like you are being brutishly forced to feel a certain feeling under ridiculous, logic mutilating circumstances, that spells directorial fail in my book.

    And that's how I felt at the end. Suddenly making Batman an "outlaw" two minutes before the movie ended all for the sake of him doing something "heroic" and "selfless" before the credits rolled to leave you with a feeling of "aw shucks" and "gee whiz!"


    It's like Batman's saying in his gruffest voice: "I'm not going to let Joker take reponsibility for all of the mayhem and chaos he has caused the city, I'm going to needlessly take it just cause it makes me look like a dark, tragic figure before the lights in the theater come on and how heroic I am will be the last thing they remember!"

    Lame.
  • Thad Ward
    I loved the movie but feel there where to many things and plot lines going on to make this very cohesive, I must see it again to truly focus on all the plot threads here. but over all very well done. I must admit batman sounded weird talking in the scary voice he uses it didn't sound natural at all. Sucks the batmobile is toast and the bat pod was cool , No batcave ?????
  • Tommy Metropolis
    Alright Jerry, i thought you were sane, but you completely lost it now. All of your recent posts and ideas are absolute horse shit.

    I blame YOU for the murders of those 6 cops.

    and the entire movie led up to the ending, where batman had the realization of what he must become to be the hero of Gotham.

    You fail at having opinions that don't suck.
  • Jerry crack corn and I don't c
    You belittle my posts. But see, they have thought. Yours are nothing but empty attacks and childish come backs.

    when you're ready to sit at the adult table, you let us know, champ. ;)
  • Tommy Metropolis
    @Max

    L O L thats exactly what i was thinking when the joker sent the dogs on him at the end.

    25 masked men with guns? nooo prob!!

    a few dogs with sharp teeth? ....shiiiiiiit they discovered my true weakness.

    i mean dogs do kill bats, right?
  • Tommy Metropolis
    @JerryFag

    You can't say you loved a movie, yet you hated the ending.

    Your so-called "opinions" are nothing beyond foolish rantings of a mentally retarded child saying they discovered how to make something better that the whole world already agrees is full and epic to its max.

    Keep your paragraph-long substance-less ponderings to yourself, cause not only does no one care what you have to say, but if i could i would delete them from the site so no one else will be submitted to your horse-shittery.

    Please Reply With Something Foolish :)
  • Jerry crack corn and I don't c
    Also, are we all on the same page that Maggie Gyllenhal (sp?) is ugly. Not necessarily in this movie, just, um yanno, all the time.

    Ledger was decent as the Joker, although don't know how much of that can be attributed to the make-up.

    Having 2 base jumping scenes seemed a tad unneeded. Like the production was thinking "Hey, renting all of the skyscaper cam rigs is going to costs a crapload. But if we can write it into two totally different scenes, it's like we're getting it for half price!"

    And did they really need *three* tension building, high pitched siren, people get offed in separate locations moments? Refer to the scene where the Joke is crashing Wayne's fundraiser and circling Dawson while commissioner is sipping toxic booze, yadda, yadda. We've all seen this trick done at the end of Godfather when Mikey's settling all debts by making Moe "do you know who I am" Green spurt pink blood intercut with that dude in the revolving door getting capped on etc, etc, etc. But that was for the finale of gf.

    By the third time in TDK, it was seriously verging on gimmicky. I was like "Seriously, another montage 'reckoning'. Again?"
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