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LaBeouf, Ford, Lucas and Spielberg Talk Indiana Jones 5 Possibilities

Rumors began in July 2007 that Shia LaBeouf signed a contract to reprise his role of Mutt Williams, in a series of Indiana Jones sequels. MTV quickly got a denial from LucasFilm, although it turns out that IESB.net’s source probably wasn’t far off after all. It has now been revealed that George Lucas has an idea to make more Indy films with Mutt as the lead character.

“I haven’t even told Steven or Harrison this,” Lucas told Fox News. “But I have an idea to make Shia [LeBeouf] the lead character next time and have Harrison [Ford] come back like Sean Connery did in the last movie. I can see it working out.”

And I’m betting that like most Hollywood contracts, LaBeouf probably has stipulations which lock him into a sequel/spin-off if Paramount wanted to make one, despite what LucasFilm claimed last year. And LaBeouf says he would be interested.

“I don’t think a Mutt spinoff would be as big as Indiana Jones,” LaBeouf told MTV. “[But] fingers crossed!”

Harrison Ford told USA Today in April that “he also might consider a fifth installment of Indiana Jones, though he hopes it wouldn’t take 20 years to pull together.”

“And it’s not like Harrison is even old,” admits Lucas. “I mean, he’s 65 and he did everything in this movie. The old chemistry is there, and it’s not like he’s an old man. He’s incredibly agile; he looks even better than he did 20 years ago, if you ask me.”

Even director Steven Spielberg admitted a years back while developing Crystal Skull, that he wouldn’t rule out a fifth film.

“Oh, I don’t know,” Spielberg told the Chicago Sun Times. “Of course, I said the third INDY would be the last one. And obviously it’s not. So I can’t even comment whether the fourth will be the last one or not. I’m not looking to redesign the wheel. I just want to continue the saga.”

If Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull does the business that everyone is expecting, I don’t see how they couldn’t launch a sequel/spin-off. What about a storyline where Shia has to find and rescue Indiana Jones, a callback to The Last Crusade.

Discuss: Would you see a Indiana Jones spin-off starring Shia LaBeouf?


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236 Responses to “Lucas Has Idea for Indiana Jones 5; Spielberg, LaBeouf, and Ford Don’t Rule it Out”

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    that sounds about as good as a star wars spin off starring jar jar

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    I like this. I say make 3 more.

    Well 2 after skull.

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    attack of the clones.

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    First let’s see how the fourth one turns out… I do like Shia though.

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    If Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is good (which I’m sure it will be) and Mutt is good character, then I would mind another sequel or spin off. Here’s the formula I think would work. Indiana Jones 5 should be mainly about Indiana passing the touch on to Mutt. Then Mutt should get his own film spin off with just him.

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    THE ONLY WAY that Indiana Jones should become a long-running series is by turning it into a Bond-like series with different actors filling the role of Jones.

    This whole “Indy Jones, Jr.” thing sounds lame.

    HOWEVER, I do remember the “James Bond, Jr.” cartoon series from the early ’90s, and it was pretty good! …
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHfrRtPU-xs

    .

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    Hell. No.

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    Even if they HAD to do it (and I hope they don’t) recast Ford and go back to the 1930s or whenever, but to bastardize the Indiana Jones films as a spinoff is just about as lame a move as Lucas could ever make.

    I’d even be okay with them telling different stories in the “Indiana Jones universe” with a competing archeologist as the sympathetic character (something completely inside out), before they go the spinoff Mutt route.

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    Holy fucking shit… Did I call this one or what?

    See Blog post:
    Indiana Jones 4: First Review and 14 New Photos
    Posted on Monday, April 21st, 2008 at 12:29 am
    http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/04/21/indiana-jones-4-first-review-and-14-new-photos/

    Quote:

    “Theres no reason to introduce a new character into the Jones franchise unless you want to pass the torch. I am not willing to be made to think I’m watching Indy 4..when in reality I’m watching an origin story, Episode 1 of ” Mutt the Adventurer ”

    OMFG it feels so great to be right.

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    The Kingdom of the Phantom Menace

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    Attack of the Jones.

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    I for one actually like Shia, he’s likeable and has charm. I’ll put my money down and say if he wasn’t in Transformers - the film could have been a hell of a lot worse.

    As for a Mutt led sequel. I’m up for it, but please - let’s see how KOTCS turns out before that happens.

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    I’m all about a spin-off. I just don’t think they should have Indiana Jones be the main character anymore, which it looks like that’s the direction Lucas wants to take it. Harrison is getting old.

    The question is, would they call it “Mutt Williams and the [fill in the blank]“?

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    Temple of Beouf

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    Mutt? his name is Mutt? Seriously…. at least pick something with some marketability if they’re gonna continue this thing…

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    No Mutt spin-off. Only Indy.

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    Lucas Quote:
    ” I can see it working out”

    That sounds like a cry for help to me..

    He is mentally insane.

    We all know it.

    Can’t we all as a community do an intervention for George Lucas? Give him the help he so desperately needs? Don’t we owe him that?

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    Maybe we could see a spin-off with Mutt and Short Round, it could be a buddy comedy.

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    as much as I love Shia, and I think his character will be cool, I would not like to see this happen.

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    April 21st, 2008 at 8:05 am

    I wrote:

    “Indy 4 looks contrived and unnecessary.

    The red flag for me is Shia. aka: Short round.

    Theres no reason to introduce a new character into the Jones franchise unless you want to pass the torch. I am not willing to be made to think I’m watching Indy 4..when in reality I’m watching an origin story, Episode 1 of ” Mutt the Adventurer “

    OMFG it feels great to be right.

    (If Hunter had written this post, I bet he woulda remembered that. :P )

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    This one involves giant Robots and the Aliens are actually from Naboo… and Yoda joins in, and this since it will be set in the 1970s will be a homage to Blaxploitation Cinema!

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    If he wants a spin-off, I’d say bring back the Young Indiana Jones series. Son of Jones doesn’t sound very interesting…

  23. Gravatar

    Fuck Dude……… wait for the moderation before you repost.

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    Am I losing my frickin mind or is this really being considered?

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    To answer your question….

    FUCK NO

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    I’m a big fan of anything Speilberg or Lucas, (Yes, Lucas. Yes, even Episode 1) so I would probably watch it and enjoy it and buy the DVDs. Also if you spun it off to continue the saga for a new generation it could save us from having to endure the inevitable Raiders remake for awhile.

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    the fact that lucas seriously wanted to call this “Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men From Mars” shows that he has completely lost touch and can not be considered a credible filmmaker or storyteller any more.

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    You know what? I’,m just gonna come right out and say it…

    I say Thank god the hardcore Indy fans/freaks will finally feel a fraction of the epic horrific rape and decimation of what us Star wars fans have endured.

    A word of advice to the fanboys: Bring some lube and something to bite on. Like maybe a small round red ball with a leather strap that fits around your head. It’ll make more sense as you walk out of the theater…. I promise.

    This is the beginning of the end!

    BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!

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    Put Lucas in a home.

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    “I don’t think a Mutt spinoff would be as big as Indiana Jones”
    NO FUCKING SHIT

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    I’m not one of those nit pickers but isn’t annoucing a sequel to a movie that is NOT out yet, saying the two main characters from the 4th will be in the 5th kinda spoilerish?? I mean, now we know that they don’t die or leave for the enemy. Seriously. WTF

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    Holy macaroni !!!! This is beyond redemption … for the love of god almighty, the jesus - our saviour, stop this blasphemy!

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    Lucas must be buried somewhere on the moon

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    Indy is all about Ford,no other actor can carry the franshise than him and Spielberg.It would be like Tomb raider with a guy! So NO!!

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    I have to say, yes I would enjoy a series where Shia takes over.

    I don’t blame him for Transformers. And he seems like a cool guy. I say give him a chance. He does have on screen mojo.

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    No. Flat Out. Just No.

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    “And it’s not like Harrison is even old,” admits Lucas. “I mean, he’s 65 and he did everything in this movie. The old chemistry is there, and it’s not like he’s an old man. He’s incredibly agile; he looks even better than he did 20 years ago, if you ask me.”

    hahahahaha

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    As a huge Indiana Jones fan…HELL NO!
    Spin offs suck! Especially if it stars Shia LaBeouf. I just learned recently to not see him as “that kid that was in that shitty Disney Channel show”. If they make this movie, I’ll see him as something much worse. I’ll see him as “that kid that ruined my favorite film franchise”…

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    Somebody break all of their legs.

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    I would bring back Short Round, but have Jet Li play him! The age continuity would be right in line.

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    Everybody, chill the F out!

    First of all, what’s with all the negativity towards Shia that’s going on? He’s a way better actor than he’s given credit for. Way, way better than Hayden Christensen. And the guy is just 21. He totally owned Transformers and I’m sure he’ll do great in “Indy 4″.

    As for “Indy 5″/”Mutt Jone” I’m all for it. As long as they keep Lucas well out of the actual direction, I’m sure it could work out just great. Imagine titles such as

    “Mutt Jones and the Wrath of the Dragon” (set in late 1950’s China, lots of kung fu and asian folklore, maoists, etc.)
    “Mutt Jones and the Secrets of the Deep” (set deep beneath the Northern Atlantic Ocean, battling soviets maybe for a crashed UFO, a touch of H.P. Lovecraft, crazy cultists, etc.)
    “Mutt Jones and Curse of Solomon” (set in 1960’s Africa, black magic, evil slavers, the diamondbusiness, etc.)

    I mean, there are plenty of stories to be told, and why not give this Mutt-character a chance?

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    cause his name is ‘mutt’

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    After seeing Shia in Transformers, and now realizing he actually looks like Ford’s son, I think it is destiny. The guy has charisma. I’d go see them if they made them…

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    i don’t think so, tim

    this would be a horrible idea

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    I think THIS indy is a bad idea…nevermind more. Someone needs to stop Lucas.

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    The best route is to simply replace Ford with a newer actor. Someone with a little experience in the genre. What about Keanu Reeves? The Matrix movie is very much an adventure movie.

    Indy has searched for Christian relics, Hebrew relics, Hindu relics, Inca relics… I want him to search for Moslem relics next. That’s the only thing that could guarantee me buying a ticket.

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    Shia LaBeouf will alway’s be that little, akward, annoying, wise cracking idiot in films. That’s what he has alway’s played, because he can’t do anything else.

    Looking a him on that bike. He looks so out of place on it.

    Harrison has alway’s been a rogue and a bad ass in his films. That’s why he works as Indie. He has those rugged looks and a cool deep voice. Shia LaBeouf sounds like a whiney geek. His voice is too high for these roles.

  48. Gravatar

    Mutt Williams and the Crusade for the temple of the lost Ark.

    Flippin Come ON. My favorite movies, but just stop already.
    “Its not the years, its the mileage.”

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    Indiana Jones films are popular because Harrison Ford was able to portray a truly iconic character. Other films have tried to copy the “archeologist adventurer” genre and have failed. I don’t think there’s another character in film that is as closely tied to an actor as Indiana Jones is tied to Harrison Ford. Remember they tried the ‘Young Indiana Jones Chronicles’ with Sean Patrick Flannery, and while critically acclaimed, they were not the same.

    I fear that Paramount’s goal is to “pass the torch” of the Indiana Jones films from harrison Ford to Shia Lebouef. A fifth film with Indy being a supporting character, then some 6th film without Indy entirely. Seems studio execs and George Lucas can’t help but piss all over a great franchise.

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    Prediction:

    After “Mutt” learns that he’s Indy and Marion’s son, having been an orphan his whole life, he’ll be all ga-ga over Indy that he’ll say something like: “I want to be called Indy, Jr.”

    And then Ford will say, “Well, Indiana was appropriately a dog’s name… Mutt.” Wink, wink.

    Lame.

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    Whoever suggested Keanu up there should be taken out back and beaten. This rumor is just a publicity stimulator. Any sequels would be a couple years out and would have to be well crafted, i.e. drop the cliche outift and whip. It would have to be bridged well into a new generation of Indy fans. Otherwise it would flop. Chances are it will flop anyway. Reguardless if we see this before 2010 I’d be surprised.

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    Why doesn’t Lucas and Spielburg rape my childhood?

  53. Gravatar

    I’d rather get AIDS. And not the delicious Kool variety either.

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    fuck george lucas he’s an asshole

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    In 2011….Mutt Williams and His Dad’s Depends!

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    Your way outta line AJ!

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    While I am with holding judgment until i see the movie, I am very doubtful of any 5th…or more Indy movies with a new leading man having any real chemistry to them. At least not the kind of chemistry that made the franchise what it is. Though the idea that was brought up before…

    Joshua Says:

    May 16th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Maybe we could see a spin-off with Mutt and Short Round, it could be a buddy comedy.

    That I find oddly interesting, as short round was great character as well, I am sure that movie would be bad, but think i would go see it as a guilty pleasure none the less.

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    The Indiana Jones series is a timeless saga, and I think I would be destroyed if they passed the torch to that pathetic Even Stevens kid. I was so disappointed when he was casted for Indiana Jones, I figured Spielberg could find someone better. Shia LaBeouf SUCKS.

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    If anyone here can list any roles Shia was in before transformers that shows his awesome acting skills then please enlighten me? If you say based on his performance in transformers he would be a good indiana jones replacement then you are a closet fanboy/girl of his. I like him in transformers, he plays a cool dork which everyone of us online wishes we were, so I can see the charm. But Harrison is not that kind of character in indiana jones so until I see a role where shia doesn’t have to take girls to the “gun show” I’m not convinced he can take over. Yes he can act(like the attention whore’s at any school), but he hasn’t proved himself as far as I know, that he can take on an iconic role.

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    Gotta ask, if not Shia who then?

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    I saw Shia in Disturbia before Tranformers and I thought he did a good job on it. The movie was really enjoyable and 90% of the time it was only him. He’s really not as bad as everyone seems to think he is. I really have a hard time seeing him that kind of role though… He’s just not that kind of actor.

    Should they pass the Indy torch to him? Probably not. The torch should NOT be passed at all. Indy 4 should definitely be the last one in the series. Unfortunately this probably won’t happen… *sighs* Spielberg has taken a real liking to young Shia and apparently he has BIG plans for him whatever that means. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Spielberg helmed Mutt movie in the not so distant future.

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    I am glad that they made a Indy 4, but I am wary of seeing because of Shia. I do not like his method of acting… He reminds me of a child with ADD.
    Shia will be the JAR JAR Binks of Crystal Skull..

    Stick a fork in it…..

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    If this film makes the bank I think it will, you can bet there will be another one.

    Btw I don’t think Shia’s character is Indys kid in the film…..
    Every scene I’ve seen of this movie looks like a crowd pleaser!

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    A 5th movie wouldn’t be bad, as long as they don’t call it an Indiana Jones movie cause without Harrison as THE star it’s not Indy.

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    If #4 is good, then they should do two more films. #5 should be another adventure with both of them involved as a team, and the film should be made in the next few years. #6 would then be the one where Indy is in trouble, and Mutt has to rescue him. They could make more films after that as well, with Mutt as the main character and Indy could take on a smaller role as a wise old museum curator, or Director of the Archaeology Dept. like Marcus Brody (except with a much different personality than Brody — he’s Indy after all).

    Also, I am betting Mutt is Indy’s son — it’s just too obvious and juicy for him not to be Indy and Marion’s son. And the “Mutt” name I’m not too sure about. It’d be better if he gets the nickname “Tennessee” at some point.

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    i donts think that lebeaouf fits into the whole indiana story. he looks like a future action hero teenie

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    As far as I am concerned, WHAT nails it on the head, it’s not about being against an Indy Jr. taking over the franchise, it’s about who should be playing Jr. Wat back when, River Phoenix as the young Indy was actually quite cool, and there’s that air of maturity, attitude, that Shia LeBoeuf just doesn’t have. Young sidekick that ends up in situations beyond his control, looking at him, you can’t possibly imagine him being a master of his own destiny and stuff… I’m ranting ain’t I…

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    i can accept just this:

    two more indy sequel to shoot back to back for the ford age, about atlantis, and just after i can see a mutt williams spin off.
    Lucas must gift us two more Indy / Ford movies in the lead, two trilogies and after that, he can do the spin off idea!

    can we organize a petition?

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    Let´s see how the 4th indy is, then maybe a fifth one will come being Shia the main character and Indy being the father like what happened between Ford and Sean in a previous movie

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    i understand businnes to have young actor in old series to trap new generation and teens target, but, Lucas have understimate the power of commercial stuff. Speilberg, Lucas, Coppola, etc. have build the new hollywood, a new standard in the mid ‘70, and right now, i will love if they would like to teach a great lesson to all hollywood producers, old actor are not DEADMAN walking, old actor are a great fuel of experience for every movie! and put one of them and keep one of them (FORD)in the series with the name of his character is the BEST challenge to the movie industry. this is the real quest! Mr Ford is an astonish actor, and he will be Indiana Jones forever, Bogart, Mitchum, Peck, Wayne, Marvin, bronson, Eastwood, are all actors like Ford, can be realistic in their roles in many ways, aged too.
    with an open mind, Mr. Lucas an old Indiana Jones can be a great IDEA, take Eastwood the unforgiven + Indy adventures, and you will have a great masterpiece! let Mutt williams grown up like the sidekick and only after you can take him in the spin off direction….
    Lucas wake up, be revolutionary for real!!!!

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    For those of you who don’t know, George Lucas was captured by Communists in the mid-80’s, brainwashed, then inserted back into Hollywood. His continuing mission: Destroy everything cool in American cinema. Replace strong characters with sissies. Foment widespread frustration and dismay.
    Knock him all you want…he’s the best damn agent the KGB ever fielded.

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    All is forgivin with Lucas he gave us Star Wars.
    He can do no wrong…..

    We just have to put up with him past the insane success.

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    I just saw the movie and I would really like another indiana jones. I love being a part of the indiana jones experience to relive a legend as my parents experienced it

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    Hmmm, I’d rather they can it at this point and come out with more Tomb Raider movies. I mean, didn’t Lara Croft already take the torch from Indiana Jones a long time ago? I’ll take a hot english chick over Shia..uhmm anytime.

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    I would take a Shia, Indiana Jones film anyday over Tomb Raider, and please there was no torch handoff there.
    Another horrible franchise is the American Treasure series with Cage. Those films are poor copys of Indiana Jones.
    Very poor.

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    Just saw the movie, and well it was awesome! and I would really like and easily see how a 5th could be made. Shia LeBeauf did a great job, and personally a spin off series would actually be interesting. I would have said no prior to seeing the movie, but you have to see it before you make any comments about it either way. I think they can get one good movie out of Mutt Williams

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    Yeah Shia was very good. Better than Transformers, but that’s because Indy 4 has a better script.

    No Spoilers.

    His name Mutt, btw is a play on words. The film has a lot of embedded dialog.
    And even the chase/race at the very beginning has a purpose once the scene plays out.

    I must tell everyone to pay attention to the dialog in the scene where the Russian leader forces Indy to stare into the eyes of the Skull. (Very intense NWO content Spielberg snuck into the scene).

    And finnaly a new creepy crawler, ANT’s and their hungrey , very hungery.

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    John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, Harrison Ford…Shia LeBeof.
    Instead of a fedora and bullwhip, maybe we’ll get a beret and accordion. How sweet.

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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK YOU GEORGE LUCAS YOU FAT PEICE OF SHIT……………….. ID RATHER FUCK MYSELF WITH SOMETHING HARD AND SANDPAPERY THAN WATCH YOUR HIDEOUS RE-MAKES

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    Well, the movie was awsome! Of course, it was not better than Raiders and Last Crusade (I LV them) but it was as good as the Temple. And Shia was really great, he has done a great job and Mutt is really brilliant character. But this is impossible to put Mutt in the fedora and give him a whip. OK, spinoff can be good, but not “Indiana Jones” movie with Mutt as the main character.

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    Funny how all you idiots changed your tune after you watched the freaking movie!!!!

    It was GOOD… It wasn’t Terminator 3 without James Cameron good, or Jurassic Park 3 without Steven Speilberg good, or Triple-X 2 without Vin Diesel good, or House Party 4 without Kid ‘N’ Play good, or Ghoulies 4 without any connection what-so-ever to the other 3 Ghoulies films good, or Star Wars without any of the original human actors good.

    No… It was everybody came back and wanted to make a REALLY AWESOME Indiana Jones sequel good.

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    I was a little disappointed in the plot of the 4th movie. Indy should stick to finding historical aritfacts the audience can believe in. But the little quirks of Indy were still there. Harrison Ford is hot and should keep right on going! As for the sequel with bothould keep right on goiIndy and Jr. I say go for it.

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    Make one more movie starring Harrison Ford and then call it quits. He was still 100% Indiana Jones.

    Mutt can stay home or come along, he was okay.

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    Sorry Mutt,
    But Harrison is the legend and will stay the legend until the movies finnish.

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    I SAW INDY 4 YESTERDAY AND WITHOUT RUINING THE MOVIE, THE ENDING WAS AWESOME AND GOT ME REVED UP TO THE IDEA THAT SHIA MIGHT BE CARRYING THE TORCH!! HE’S AN INCREDIBLE ACTOR FOR HIS AGE AND HE WOULD MAKE AN AWESOME NEW INDIANA JONES! I SAY MAKE ONE MORE WITH HARRISON AS THE LEAD CHARACTER AND THEN IN A 6TH FILM HAVE HARRISON AS A SEAN CONNERY TYPE IN THE BACKGROUND! THE SERIES SHOULD CARRY ON ESPECIALLY WITH HOW GOOD THIS ONE WAS!!

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    Definitely make a 5th one. Just saw Crystal Skull last night…it was good, but not my favorite. Ending was a little over the top. I’d say it was better than Temple though (which I didn’t like). Mutt was a really fun character (which is saying a lot since George Lucas was one of the writers…Phantom Menace anyone?).

    Shia really brought a lot to the character. Mutt was interesting, but didn’t try to steal the spotlight from Indy. I could definitely see him evolving into his own lead character in the next film.

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    Indiana jones will only ever work with INDIANA JONES, not mutt williams.

    OK Shia laBoefe is great and all but i think we should leave this franchise to Harrison, hes made it great and it would probably ruin it changing the lead role from Harrison Ford. I say if there are gonna be anymore then get Harrison to do it, and if he cant/ won’t then leave it there and let Shia build up his own franchise of Great films.
    Its not a bad place to end you know.

    and by the way, kingdom of the crystal skull is awesome and it really got me going again for Indiana Jones, just please dont make the next one without Harrison being at least the second most important role.

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    shia aint serious enough for this kinda acting,
    Keep Harrison or end Indiana jones with him marrying and living happy, which has just happened in the new one, if theres gonna be more then get a slightly older acter than shia and just say the kid grew up, by 10 years, just keep the acterrs looking similar.

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    After seeing “Kingdom…,” they had better make a 5th Indiana Jones, to make up for that shit-show.

    I’m sorry for the people who never saw the original 3 on the big screen, and thought this was good, but this was an awful, awful movie. I would never see a sequel with LeBouf as the main character. Lucas fucked this up — and a fifth “Indy” movie may be the only way to fix it. LeBouf added NOTHING to this abortion of a movie.

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    No disrespect to Ford, he looked fine, better than expected. The story and dialogue were awful. How about getting rid of Lucas and Spielberg, and bringing in writers/directors who actually want to do justice to a great series. Leonardo is DEAD ON.

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    If you can find someone to match Harrison Ford and a better movie than Raiders, go ahead and make that movie, and if not, screw you with your CASH IN method Steven.

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    I can’t belive their thinking of doing an Indiana Jones 5, though I must say the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was top class in my view. the poor factor of it was that it took them 20 odd years to make it, and that to me is far too long. I loved the first three films and wasn’t too sure about the though of seeing Ford return, of course that was before I seen the film. now I can’t wait for another Indiana Joes film. but keeping with the topic here, I don’t think a spin off is a good idea in fact I think it would be a bad, really bad idea. maybe I will get bad comments about this but, I just feel that Indiana Jones is far more better with Ford than without him. I like to think some people will agree with me on this. anyway it’s like doing another James Bond film without Daniel Craig returning. and that would just fully piss me off. but anyway I’ve said what I wanted on this subject. I hope to see Ford return for another two films. but then I think they should end it.

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    I am a huge fan of the Indy franchise, and after watching it I was mostly quite happy with Indy 4. I actually liked Shia’s character, he fit the 50’s era quite well. My main complaint is I thought they used a little too much CGI for the ending. I think the idea could work as long as they kept Shia’s character as is and didn’t try to make him a Xerox copy of Indy. It could work, but they would need to establish it as a separate franchise. If they made one more with both Indy and Mutt, had a good story and toned down the CGI, and then put Mutt in his own franchise I could live with that.

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    If they do a spin off with Mutt, I think it will either be great or terrible, depending on the direction they take it in. Like I said in my last post I think it could work if they made a separate franchise and took it in a little different direction. First of all, I wouldn’t make Mutt an archeologist. In the new series he would start off as an illegal antiquities dealer to support himself but is completely obsessed with what he saw at the end of Indy 4. (You know what I am talking about) He eventually becomes an early civilian UFO researcher and has many run ins with the Feds. When the US government finds out he was involved in the events of Indy 4 they ask him to work as a “consultant” to the Majestic 12 and Project Blue Book. (In other words they want to know what he knows.) As a result he ends up investigating current reports while also researching other possible contacts with ancient cultures. They could bring Indy (Harrison Ford) in for cameos where Mutt and Indy’s paths cross briefly. I think by making it a separate franchise but also including said cameos it would be a respectful way to keep the Indy franchise in tact. I would actually like to see a Indy 5 that focuses on Indiana Jones. (I kind of like the older Indy) At the end of that film they could have Mutt and Indy cross paths, thus transitioning to the new series.

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    Also I think Harrison Ford easily has 2 more Indy films in him. Indy is older and wiser and that is just what makes it work. Also, in the new franchise Mutt would be as rebelious and irreverent as in Indy 4. Imagine run-ins with MiB, CIA, etc. He would be a bit paranoid and suspicious of “the man”.

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    Indy 5 would have have to be more character driven and with more real stunt work involved, using CGI when only necessary. Mutt would have to be given a love interest. She would need to be very hot and sexy. The plot would need to be solid. Perhaps a two part two and a half long double quest. The first half dealing with a certain ancient artifact with the beginning of the second hour leading us into a quest for time travel. Indy would be killed off at the end. In a very sad way of course….a way to honor Indy…a real tear jerker. This installment would need to be more reminescent of Temple or Raiders in terms of characters and pacing. Then the sixth film could be a tour de force with CGI galore and more of a crowd pleaser for the new generation and would bear the name Mutt Jones in the title.

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    Nasty, your version dosnt work for me…….

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    nasty nate, I like the way your thinking… but less hurtfull and more happyness. when I said end it I didn’t mean kill him off, just you know… end it with him having a happy life and his son goes off to do what his old man dose best..or did best… of course thats just my idea of it…. like yours but no killing off Indy yeah..

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    ok, first tony mango your twat !!!!

    i think ford should return for another Indy film as the lead.
    Ive got nothing against shia but i think if they make that movie it would suck so bad it would be like tripel-X 2 all over again and then they would have destroyed a perfectly good franchise or in tripel-X’s case what was going to be a good franchise.

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    E-man, Triple-X was made to show off some really cool stunts and it pulled it off with a ten out of ten in my view. but when they went a head and done Triple-X2: The Next Level. I thought it went down hill. and I said it before why kill off Xander Cage? why not have him return and then have Ice Cube team up with him..I mean really not point in making a film if there’s no real reason why their not gonna keep the Main guy. in this case Xander Cage. If there is a Triple-X3 coming out I think they should make it that Xander is alive, and comes back with a few cuts and bumps… and Ice Cube could met him in a hideout or something. this dumb ass line of “The Next Triple-X will be…” is about as lame as watching Chelsea F.C win the Premiership again (Thank god they didn’t!) my point is, if theirs gonna be another one they should make it better than the first and second. bring back Xander Cage and Darres Stone. anyway I dont think Indy should be killed off but everyone has the right to what they say on the subject.

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    I think if they were planning on doing this they should have CAST A BETTER ACTOR!

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    I don’t see why Mutt couldn’t just take the name. For starters Indy’s name isn’t REALLY Indiana. However, considering Indiana is named after the dog… i’m suprised how few people made the connection to the fact his son is called Mutt!

    I think the name Indiana should be passed over. He should simply be a NEW Indiana Jones like the Bonds are NEW James Bonds.

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    Steve,

    The on-going new James Bond wasn’t about who was the next Bond. it was because if an actor became James Bond he wouldn’t be able to wear a tux in any other film, that was the whole idea of him wearing a black tux. witch of course saw more than one Actor taken up the role as James Bond. so you can’t sit there and say that, the same thing is gonna happen if Ford turns down the offer of being Indiana Jones again. there is only one Indy and Ford pull’s it off like no one else. I again have to say that a spin-off would be wrong and a bad idea. ending it after Indy 5 or 6 would be best. not killing him off all together.

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    really, shia isnt that bad, just think steven spielberg and lucas, and im sure they make the right desission, although indy 4 is already a spin of of the original one’s although it stars harrison ford, its made to shock todays viewers.. and boy are we shocked, but what i think, im totally pyched about this movie… the old 3 are still there to be watched… and 4 is a nice atribute, its a nice extravaganza, doing the indy thing, but for the love of god , steven please!, get rid of the shia swinging in the tree’s with monkey’s that totally sucks:P. loved the fridge and the nuke thing, laughed my ass of, its good! its a pretty damn good movie…better then most crap that comes out these days.. way better, in fact, i still give this movie a 10 ! the critics are here, there are some flaws, but hey look at the old indy’s if they had the same capability’s as now, they would have made the same, its their vision, not ours…. lets just say, there wont be an indy 5 with shia starring, you can see that at the end of indy 4, as shia tries to put on the hat, but indy comes out grabs it and laughs at him! there will be another one in 2010, because they are already filming it, and all 3 of them have indy in them, meaning harrison ford, you cant do a spin off, called mutt williams, or mutt jones,its just to keep us buisy, ever heard of movie psychology>?, theyr trying to make films, that gives you a certain feeling, and my god they pulled it off this time, ok the cgi 2 times doesnt really ad up to the basic indy running and being funny all the time, you need somebody far more energetic then harrison ford, it works because he’s relaxed !, soo what are we talking about, if it comes well damnit i’m going to see it, something with him, he needs to age, but he actualy looks like the old indy some ways, its the same kind of method actor….both got the same skillz, cmon harrison ford in star wars, was a joke, he didnt have any tallent, but in the indy films o BOY!, but ok he’s 67 so thats like not young, but still he does it, and i would watch it until he’s fckin 80! go harrison go, go steven, good luck lucas, and by god you made my childhood worth watching movies! their the reason we dig movies man, damN!, they gave us the entire lot!

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    Indy 5 needs to go back to the basics of why we feel in love with this series in the first place. Shia has much more energy than Ford. U think people would go see Raiders if it was made today at Ford’s age? doubtful. Maybe killing Indy off isn’t the answer, but cutting down on his screen time is. Have the two of them get split up at some point in Indy 5…and let the audience go on a ride with only Mutt and everyone would be going ‘Indy who?’. CGI is only a tool in creating a movie. It is only necessary when creating something you could never build in real life. This is part of why Jurassic Park was so believable. You had close up shots of the dinos that were created animatronically. The 5th installment of Indy should be mostly CGI free.

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    I have to agree with Delorean’s comments on May 17. There are plenty of ways to go with the entire Mutt Williams thing. I saw the movie, die hard Indy fan that I’ve been for 20 years and I have to admit, I had misgivings at first, but the movie left me wanting more- a LOT more movies with this HF/SLaB combo. With the Mutt Williams angle, Lucas and Spielburg have opened up to a whole new group of kids with dreams of Fortune and Glory. Who knows? Maybe if they can get through to kids and make them LOVE history like IJ worked on me, GPA’s will increase around the world! I know the originals worked on my kids with getting them interested in history and hooked on archaology! I say give it a chance!

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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I have been a hurting Star Wars fan. Why should we put the Indy fans through that misery?

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    Sniper06UK -(XboxLive)- i think it is kind of imposible to make another tripel-x film even with vin diesel or not ,
    the second one done shit at the box-office plus i dont think that vin diesel would even return for another one.
    but still i agree with you about indiana jones 5.

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    E-MAN

    I’am glad you agree with me on the Indiana Jones matter, and yes I have to agree with you. but it was just an Idea of course.

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    are you tards still talking about triple x?

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    nasty nate

    Ok normaly I don’t just answer any odd comment made by someone, but you got me thinking about what kind of person you are. I mean who in their right mind comes on here and asks..”are you tards still talking about triple x?” huh.. I mean really who would. besides if you can take your eyes away from my last comment and re-read the one above your last “Half a sleep-dripple” you will find that we already finished that convo. and moved back on to Indiana Jones 4. so umm try to keep up mate. ok thanks… and good morning from the UK! 07:30 am

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    Shia LeBeof lacks the masculinity needed from the son of Indiana Jones. This latest film is the worst in the series and has all but killed the magic, much the same as Lucas’ Phantom Menace did for Star Wars.

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    I found Indy 4 highly entertaining. There were some points
    where I said “What the hell?” but then I had to remember,
    this is a Indiana Jones movie and that’s why I like them.
    The following has - - -

    —SPOILERS—

    My top 10 “What the Hell” moments were…

    1.) Exactly how many Soviets does it take to shoot one
    Dr Jones? Appearantly many and still no one succeeds.
    Not that I want Indy shot but for the love of all that’s
    good, at least have one graze his jacket.

    2.) When in doubt, always jump into a lead lined
    refridgerator in the event a nuclear bomb is coming
    at you. This will not only save you from radiation but
    will also cushion your landing when you’re thrown miles
    from the impact. CAUTION: I suggest you find one
    like Dr Jones with the “easy open from the inside”.
    This model is not common and should be tested
    before actual use.

    3.) We come to find out in Indy 4 that Jones is a decorated military legend. Exactly how old was Indy when he enlisted
    into the army? Let’s do the math. He’s 65 now. The Last
    Crusade came out 19 years ago. That’s right, Indy joined
    when he was 46 or older. If this is normal somebody needs
    to explain this to me.

    4.) For a guy who always has that whip on his hip, where
    was it when he was sinking in quick sand. I know, it
    was conveniently misplaced to pull the snake gag.

    5.) The waterfalls have been talked about to a great
    degree. This could have been solved by having somebody
    fucking die. Anyone, someone, somebody unimportant.
    Instead we get the next shot after falling of people drying
    off like they just got out of a swimming pool. If I was a
    character in this movie I think through the rest of the
    movie I’d still be talking about it, “Holy shit, can you
    believe that shit! Shit! We’re fucking alive! That’s
    some shit!”

    6.) The little red ants reminded me of the scarebs in
    The Mummy. Although entertaining, not very creative.
    Ya know what, fuck it, when I think about it now, this
    sequence was much more fun than the end sequence
    of the movie with the silver saucer that does not fly
    away but disappears because they are not alians but
    dimensional tourists.

    7.) Is it just me or was there more emphasis on Indy’s
    hat in this installment than any of the earlier three? The
    answer is yes. The damn hat got top billing on some of
    the movie posters and is even listed in the closing credits.

    8.) The only thing that got more screen time than Indy’s
    hat was Mutt William’s hair.

    9.) Exactly who came up with the name Mutt Williams? WTF.
    I guess we can blame George Lucas for this too without knowing
    for sure because from what I’ve read on the internet is that
    Lucas is Satan and from him comes all things evil and just plain
    retarded, nutty, silly, absurb, and abnormal.

    10.) And lastly, what I’ve learned from Indy 4 is that if you
    can find a bunch of old crystal aliens bones they will not only
    talk to you, you can throw them all in a blender and it will
    creat one single live one. Amazing I tell you, this shit is
    better than sea monkeys. CAUTION: If this does occur, don’t
    talk to them because they babble so much it will make your
    head explode.

    Thank you for your time and here’s looking forward to
    Indiana Jones 5 or Mutt Williams 1 or Indiana Williams,
    uh…Mutt Jones…whatever.

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    i got some answers for you A. J. as far as your wtf moments go.

    3) (the army) whos to say they werent referring to a younger Indy being in the army before the original series? and the indy in the movies has no relation to how old Harrison Ford is, although he was assumed to be in his 30’s in the original trilogy.

    4) (The Whip) His whip is usually at his side,correct? well,he was captured,so he might not have had time or a chance to recover it before the groups mad dash into the forest. however,if he did have it hed already had quicksand up the ass before he knew what was goin on,so the whip mightve already been stuck under the quicksand where he couldnt reach it.

    But as far as the other ones go,i completely agree with you. Mutt williams….hmm,LAME! and the seemingly invincible Jones is a little farfetched,at least he got hurt in the first few movies.

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    I just want an Indy Jones 5, and I want it ASAP. I want it to feature Harrison Ford, and I want to see Karen Allen in it, too.

    I hope George Lucas will take this seriously and start filming soon. It’d be nice to have it in the theatres by Christmas, or at least by this time next year.

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    In response to the WTF moments above:

    3) He is called Col. Jones, and Indy makes reference to the OSS - the outfit that eventually became the CIA. He didn’t enlist like a pimple-faced 18 year old - he offered his services as a seasoned traveller/adventurer/linguist and spy.

    4) His whip was taken from him when he was shackled to a chair.

    For me, the WTF moments were more continuity. Marcus’ statute states he died in 1944, but Indy comments that his dad and Marcus passed away in the past couple of years. The magic ketchup and mustard bottles was another one in the diner scene with Mutt - I often don’t notice small stuff like that - but that one was glaring!

    Actually, the biggest WTf moment was Mutt swinging through the jungle like Tarzan. That has Lucas’ fingers all over it and qualifies as a Jar Jar idea.

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    watched it again, its a definitive add on to the series, i think people just have to get used seeing him again… its been 20 years, our expectations are from another world….spoiled by spielberg, but still, this movie, kicks total ass, except for 1 little tiny error, the monkey scene, but i forgive them, there are some scene’s in all the other movies that werent that good, but what it comes down to, is that this indy, is still indy… he gets through a rough ride, the humor is there, mutt williams is not annoying… actualy when he appears its quite fun to see actualy… they want to make you think , hes going to be the next indy, and at the end it all gets taken away from him, its just lucas and spielbergs way of saying, GOTCHA! well - here’s what i think of the new indy film.. after seeing it once i kinda knew what to expect, like the old movies, so it completed a sence of the indy feel, we all seen raiders many times, if you do so with this one, you will be entertained a 1001 times. watch the new indy in the cinema, because thats where it was made to see, and dont start jabbing that shia sucks, harrison ford totally owns the mutt character… some parts of the movie do feel a little bit odd… but if you know whats comming you can pay more attention to the humor aspect of it, i think spielberg did a good thing, the humor is still indiana jones, and people you should stop pissing on it, its better then raiders of the lost ark… its all 3 combined in the matinee he always wanted to do. its indiana jones, like it should be, just watch it again and be suprised at how many levels this film rocks,, i could never write something like it…. basicly what it comes down to is that this new indiana jones is better then all the others, together… its a long ride, see it its like 2 movies in 1, first its the old indy feel with the nice build up and action sequence at the beginning, it just takes off right away wich is slightly different then the old once its still basicly is like raiders of the lost ark …. but differnt , and has the indy feel, and harrison ford does more stunts in this one then even, i just think harrison is kind of slow talking normaly…. talk faster m8 , i do miss one bit in the film.. its the part all indy’s have, the last gasp before he totally disapears in the sand, or the almost death scene isnt really in this one, it kinda gets occward when he’s in the fridge , when the nuke goe’s off… but you dont see the funny expression you should see in the old one’s because then they couldt make a fridge fly before a nuke and over a car you know,….. its just what i always wanted to see in movies. just watch it or hate it… its one of those, but if you didnt like indy in the first place, it would be stupid bitching at it again 20 years later, they dont deserve that, its being critisized to much, and i think its a big problem to spielberg, because i think he expected everyone just to see the movie and not be spoiled by all the spoilers, soo for spielberg harrisons lucas’s etc do it for them and see it in the theatre’s! thank you people who discuss this great movie, for many years to come!

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    What was wrong about the film, was how the viwer didn’t get to join any dots in the puzzle. In Raiders, you don’t see God, and in Crusade you don’t get to see Christ. So why the hell, do you we need to see dodgy little green men in Crystal Skull?

    I like how Indy doesnt beleive Spalko and gives it a ‘c’mon…’ complete with wry smile and sarcasm. Indy should beleive most things, seeing as he’s witnessed bullet wounds healed with water!

    The military thing bugs me. Simply because, he’s a hero enough without having to be a war hero too.

    The lead lined fridge was forgivable as it was a passable effect tin the film. Imagine delivering those things! They can’t have existed! Whats the poiunt of a lead lined fridge?

    What was with the gophers? Overdone and badly I thought. Whats wrong with filming REAL gophers and having a CGI truck thats only shown for two frames? Would’ve looked better.

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    wannaseesumfun,

    Watch the Young Indiana Jones, and then you will understand why that was put in there. on a more happier note I thought it was funny before I went to see the film, I was playing Command and Conquer: Red Alert 2 - Yuri’s Revengae and would’t you belive it… I said the same line what Ford said in the film lol… P.S don’t ask!

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    I saw Indy the 25th for my birthday, and it was awesome, but… It wasn’t Indiana Jones. It was an awesome movie with a great plot, but when that alien at the end looked at the russian lady, it was just so weird. If they don’t make a 5th I might cry. This is like star wars. They made 2 trilogies each separated by 15 years. All they have to do is stay with an earthly artifact.

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    they had to make a choise between satisfien all the indy fans, or new people that dont know the indy movie’s if we watched a plain old indy again, it would’t add anything it would just be the same movie, this still is but add’s some new things in the movie wich are nice, the cgi effects look real on the big screen ,not on a small screen, i dont know why, it just does, the ants look real on the big screen, the only part i hate is where shia is fighting irena, and his balls are hit with the plants, and then he starts to swing in the tree’s like tarzan, i know what spielberg is trying, hes going for the 1930’s matinee, but his not so good matinee version back in 81 is better, by far…. i dont really see where it was going, but still i enjoyed it and i think after we seen it 20 times it become’s the point where you seen all the other 3 films, and its a nice atribute, forget about it, its not that brilliant as i hoped it would be….but still have some pretty fun parts, its a great movie , but it doesnt beat the indiana standards

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    I would love to see 2 more Indy films come to the big screen. The stories would have to be right, and Harrison Ford would have to play a major part in the show. But something like last crusade with Mutt going after Indiana would be cool. I just think that Lucas has the old Star Wars and new Star Wars trilogies. And I think it would be great to see that in Indiana Jones. The 4th movie is great, and to see it span a whole new set of Indiana Jones adventures would be awesome, despite the fact that Harrison Ford is starting to become fairly old. I think that that fact just adds to the hilarity of the situation and makes it that much more fun, interesting and ironic.

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    I just saw the movie and Shia’s character was amazing. At the end they hinted at Mutt taking over for Indi by having at the very end doors blow open and throw Indi’s hat to land at Mutt’s feet. I think he would do really well. His character really takes after Indi even though he didn’t grow up with him around.

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    Another thing,
    People can except a flying hat over aliens.

    Is that hat from Lidsville, cause it flys around all the time. Its like Indys horse.

    He whistles and her it comes.

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    in the final scene, in wich they get married is ridiculous and indy takes back the hat from mutt,get it it was a teaser, i grabbed for my heart the first time and prayed it wasnt so, but no it wasnt so what does that greaser want with a fedora hat…. i dont think that would work on somebody like that, it doesnt add up, altough its the same principle thrown on a character… the cloths are contemporary like indy… it looks as though it might end up like that, but i dont see much of harrison ford and stuff interviewing anymore, so basicly it means another one is comming, it looks like the beginning of the second one…i do miss the old chemestry … it doesnt seem to work like old movies did… basicly just film the next indy in film and screw effects, either make puppets fall down, and dont overpump the action ,like when they drive through the pile of boxes…. overdone, ridiculous, although in the cinema youre mind is set on indy and what he does.. you basicly forget to watch the rest, anyway all this blabla about indy doesnt make it any better, i think its still a 10/10 rate for this flick, it still kicks ass to the rest of the crap ive seen over the years,if you gonna go over the top you better do it propperly… i miss the old bug scene’s why not have more backround on the evil characters, like they did in all the other 3.. eating the monkey brains and stuff, i miss those typicle indy things…. maybe next film will be better, and harrison you better live till 6! cauze you are gonna be in it!…

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    Shia has the same charm that Harrison has, which is why he’d be the perfect successor to Indy. I think the last scene with Shia holding indy’s hat was placed mainly to set off this debate to gauge the public reaction to Shia as the next Indy. Well, here’s my reaction..He would totally ROCK!

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    If it dose go a head then there will be no point in watching it. cause the fact of the matter is and has been since they begun the films, is that if you have someone else take over the main role your getting into a new age that never works out. just look at the facts… there was talk about Indiana Jones 4 right after they did number 3. then there was even more talk about 5. but it’s been 20 bloody years since the third one. and not saying the Indy 4 was bad it was super in over all. 10 out of 10 marks from me… but there is a line that he crossed when making the film. sure there’s the old saying of it only gets better with age. but I think like the Next three Star Wars films it wont be any good. the lack of same funnynes like in the first lot… it wont be anywhere near as good. but anyway Bring on Indy 5…. but no spin offs cause that just ruins it all together.

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    thats it! seen it 10 times now, doesnt bore me at all, only that the sound in this film seems to be kinda strange to me… maybe when i see it on dvd and a small screen it will bring back my indy feel to it! :D because we used to watch this stuff on old school stuff man… its the ultimate adventure again, yeaa just ask yourself the question, what did i just see. and then you think mhm, speedy stuff, nuclear bombs, terribly good action, fun 2 because things are totaly out of proportion it makes it funny.. good one… the ending seemed a bit lame but so do all the others….i think steven is trying to put to much of his trademarks in this one but also thats what makes it genious, you can watch it over and over again and look at different things… and the end was not to take it to shia, as you