I know we’ve been doing a lot of Michael Moore coverage this week, but again, his movie is about to premiere at Cannes (this JUST IN: First Reaction: Michael Moore’s Sicko is “brilliant and uplifting”). A lot of people have negative feelings for the political documentary filmmaker. I thought I’d share this story I found in the NY Daily News.
Fans and detractors of Moore know the most popular anti-Michael Moore website on the internet is a site called MooreWatch. The website’s tagline is “Watching Moore’s Every Move”. Webmaster Jim Kenefick recently wrote about the difficulty he was having paying his wife’s medical bills. His conservative readership guided him to a cheaper heath plan but that wasn’t enough.
“After I posted about finding the plan and what the cost was, someone emailed me and asked if an ‘anonymous’ benefactor could offer to pay my first year’s premiums. $12,000. I was skeptical of course, but since I’m not an idiot, I accepted,” wrote Kenefick. “$12,000 was like manna from heaven at that time. As you all may remember, I was being bled dry by the scumbag that used to host the server on which this site resides. My business was almost dead, my wife was very, very ill and I was racking up a few little health problems of my own. That money made it possible for us to begin to turn our lives around.”
But who and where did the check come from?
“When the check arrived, I was overly cautious. I tracked the company that issued the check, the bank it was drawn on…I found a hotline you could call to check the status of drafts issued by this third-party company, and the number on the check (actually more like a money order) checked out. I even went so far as to see where the branches of the issuing bank might be physically located, and there are like five of them within walking distance of Moore’s home and office in New York City.”
The NY Daily News has confirmed that the check was indeed from Kenefick’s nemesis, Michael Moore. A man that Kenefick had attacked for years on end.
“I knew he was using me,” Kenefick now writes on his blog in an effort to beat Moore to the punch. “I knew he would try to turn this to his advantage some day. That day may be upon us. I was just warned by someone in the know that Moore is about to drop the hammer on me.”
Well guess what, Moore isn’t commenting on the matter. And I hope it stays that way. I tend to believe that Mike is a good guy, who has helped a lot of people with his films. Does he have an agenda? Who doesn’t. Kenefick certainly does:
“If it was you, Mikey…your $12,000 doesn’t buy my silence. It won’t buy my affection, nor will I shy away from talking about whatever may or may not be in your new film. I’ll still be the same guy, expressing my opinion and trying his best to research facts you tend to skip over or ignore. All you bought for your money - if it was yours - was the peace of mind of knowing you actually helped someone who needed it.”
Talk about being ungrateful. Talk about turning a nice gesture into a media opp for yourself and your agenda.
First Reaction: Michael Moore’s Sicko is “brilliant and uplifting”
May 18th, 2007 at 12:07 pm
That’s pretty cold of Kenefick..
May 18th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
“Ungrateful?” “Cold?”
What’s this man supposed to say? He makes money on documenting the fact that often times Moore pointedly portrays events in such a way to mislead his audience. Whether you’re a fan of Moore or not, that’s the truth. He feels called to help people become aware of that and makes money off of it. Can’t blame a guy for that.
If he graciously says “thank you” his site’s visitors will probably think he’s getting soft on Moore and he’ll get less hits and lose money. In order to maintain the integrity of his site he has to come out publicly and say this.
He may be a jerk; or he may be very grateful and a good businessman who knows that publicly expressing his thanks will compromise his living situation…and since he needed money from Moore, he obviously doesn’t have the luxury of throwing money out the window.
May 18th, 2007 at 7:08 pm
See the real Cuba and ask Moore to address real footage.
Cuban Luis Moro tears apart Michael Moore using real footage from Cuban Hospital. See footage at youtube channel EveryThingCUBA or LuisMoroNews.BlogSpot-com.
May 19th, 2007 at 1:48 am
Blah blah blah…play Age of Conan when it comes out, thanks.
May 19th, 2007 at 1:49 am
“All you bought for your money…was the peace of mind of knowing you actually helped someone who needed it.†In the confusing world of he said/she saids, I hope this was misquoted. If it wasn’t I am more fucking confused than ever before.
May 19th, 2007 at 2:11 am
There is no healthcare in the USA. Even if you look back at the WWII vets there wasn’t any real healthcare. It’s a joke and Michael Moore is correct.
May 19th, 2007 at 2:17 am
I completely disagree. I think he could have shown some gratefulness without coming across as a jerk. It is possible to thank a man without thanking his beliefs. The fact that Moore did it anonymously and this guy went through so much trouble to track his anonymous benefactor down may have been because he wanted to thank him, or because he “just wanted to know”. This may be exaggerating, but imagine his horror when he discovered that his helper was none other than the guy that he makes a living discrediting. Perhaps it was too much to hope for, “Thanks.”
May 19th, 2007 at 2:24 am
This is really sad for Jim. He couldn’t accept that someone anonymously attempted to help him and had to figure out if it was Michael Moore so that he could attack him. Just accept that someone has bestowed a blessing on you and quit being an ass. Don’t cry about your situation then attack the people that help you, whoever it was. Be grateful and gracious. Show some class. His own hatred will consume him.
May 19th, 2007 at 2:57 am
If he’s afraid of compromising his integrity, just tear up the check. Either cash the check and sya thanks or else tear up the check. By the way, he can say thanks and still comment on MM.
May 19th, 2007 at 3:13 am
Honestly I think jim should just keep doing what hes doing.
if it was moor that donated the money, I dont think moor would expect to do anything lest that what he has in the past.
sometimes Its good to have a “nemisis” and i think michal moor knows this.
May 19th, 2007 at 3:14 am
I guess there are three things he could have done:
1) Not track the check. If the benefactor wants to remain anonymous, then why track him? Respect his wish;
2) Send an email just saying “thank you” or just shut up about it and pretend he didn’t know who the benefactor was
3) Make post on his website about how Michael Moore actually helped him. thank him, and then continue as usual with his webiste and his views.
But some people are just stupid…
May 19th, 2007 at 3:41 am
Well I think Micheal Moore knows that people like Jim Kenefick helps promote him.
Every “Hero of the people” needs somebody trying to take hime down. Micheal Moore is making
sure that his “Biggest Enemy” will still be around so he can still have someone to fight agianst him.
May 19th, 2007 at 3:47 am
So, Eric N., basically you’re saying that this guy might have just been ACTING like a jerk, rather than actually being one, and the reason is because all of his readers ARE jerks and they would rather see his wife dead than accept basic civility towards Michael Moore? Man, I knew the right wing didn’t care about _other_ groups, but who knew they hated their own wives too?
May 19th, 2007 at 3:50 am
What if it were the opposite, I believe even Michael Moore would have a millionth fraction of a heart to say thanks. This guy is a sore loser who thinks about nothing other than beating his opponent, he doesn’t even deserve to have a wife in the first place. Stupid.
May 19th, 2007 at 4:26 am
Intel Needs AMD
Microsoft Needs Apple
Michael Moore Needs…?
May 19th, 2007 at 4:33 am
$12,000 is probably a lot cheaper than trying to buy the same amount of publicity on the open market. Moore’s act can easily be viewed as compassionate or as good business, but it takes an extra effort of will to construct a situation whereby he can use it as some kind of leverage against the guy. How could he do that and not have it backfire on him? The simplest explanation that fits the facts is usually correct.
On the other hand, if the guy’s wife died the website could go down and there goes a lot of attention being paid to him… that’s not good for any public figure. Or put it still another way - who wouldn’t want a nice central location where all the people who hate you can be found?
May 19th, 2007 at 4:49 am
How about: I want to thank you on a personal matter for helping me and mine
blah blah blah… Because I am as convinced of my beliefs as you are of your, I
will neither change the tenor or content of my website or my beliefs that you
misinform a broader audience.blah blah blah
Have a heart!
May 19th, 2007 at 5:14 am
The donation had been, at the time Kenefick exposed it, anonymous. To
expose it and then rant about his integrity, is the work of an utter shit.
May 19th, 2007 at 5:46 am
I like Scott’s idea. I think that would have been a better way to go.
Otherwise, I find this thread disheartening. I proposed a thought experiment to see if it was possible to empathize with this guy, and very few people care enough about the guy as a human being to even try to put themselves in his shoes.
Instead, we all just said, “He’s a right-wing crackpot. What a jerk.” No wonder this country is so polarized. No one’s willing to even attempt to assume that someone who thinks or acts differently them themselves has good motives. Why bother being open-minded when you can be mean? I guess being mean is more fun and easier.
Oh well. With a new Michael Moore movie coming out, you guys will have plenty of fodder to complain about and demonize others with. Have fun!
May 19th, 2007 at 5:51 am
If this damned pathetic loser wants to keep badmouthing the person who probably saved his wifes life, he should give the money back.
What a prick.
May 19th, 2007 at 6:09 am
The fact is that no one has asked for a thank you or to even be noticed for the gift. Mr. Kenefick could have returned the money if it were to come from a person that wasn’t on his “Approved” list.
I may have turned his life around, but it will not change who he is. let me ask a question, was your life in need of a change and was it due to who you are? I may have too much pride, but I wouldn’t take money from someone on my shit list, especially if it was a life changing event. Kenefick can say what ever he wants about Mike, and he may talk as much smak as he feels necessary. The truth will always be that he wouldn’t be where he is right this moment if it were not for the thoughtful act of someone who cares about people in general. The sad thing here is that I bet Mike would help him again if he needed it and Kenefick would take yet another handout from someone he hates. I dont think Mike used you Jim, it was clearly the other way around.
May 19th, 2007 at 6:15 am
Ne thinks that Moore is butting up against the brainwashing implanted within the
American people via a propaganda system designed to preserve a status quo
that assists the elite class and corporate Amerika.
The mass media and the federal government continuously spits upon America’s
working poor…observe the allowing MILLIONS of illegals to waltz in, competing
with the working poor for jobs and housing.
It IS class warfare in the USA, despite all the propaganda dumped upon the
citizenry.
May 19th, 2007 at 6:24 am
this guy who’s wife is ill, what a complete ASS! First off, if moore wanted to use the cash donation against him, why not submit it using his name instead of hiding, this moore watch guy also makes a living off moore, so basically he is a leech and suckling off moore movies, he needs to get his head checked and get a real job. Its like them americans complaining about the iraqi war yet earn a living off their anti war blogs (no war = no blogs = no jobs). They are the people who are retarded in america.
I think the guy should take a long hard look at his life and thank moore for the kind contribution and at the end of the day if he doesn’t like his films dont watch them. Simple as that really.
Also I wish his wife gets well and he gets ill. Harsh I know but the hate this guy shows to Moore I feel he should experience what it is like for someone in the world to hate him that much.
May 19th, 2007 at 6:44 am
I have had dealings with this JIM K before. Let me assure everybody that he is a grade-A loser. He is also from my home state of CT and I apologize for that.
He used to have a right-wing podcast that would make your ears bleed.
May 19th, 2007 at 7:01 am
I think what was said earlier about thanking a man and not his beliefs is a completely valid point. I can’t
imagine being bitter over the fact my wife was healed but this BASTARD I know paid for it. The guy’s ego
is through the roof. And if the website was doing badly before, then sweet lord will it be in trouble now.
Gotta love the right wingers eh..?
Loser.
May 19th, 2007 at 7:25 am
Michael Moore has been proven right again and again with his films. i lived right next to ground zero and his film was very healing for me. i could see the site from my window and was displaced for over 8 months. i had to endure the lies the news media were telling. mm is a story teller, not in the liar story way, but in the old tradition of telling a story, based on real events from a personal perspective.
everything in his movies is true and he stands for something.
May 19th, 2007 at 7:29 am
Well, that was rather poorly handled, I must say.
The ONLY way it’s acceptable for him to use this as a media opp for himself, is if he hadn’t cashed the check.
That’s the funny thing about principles, they only mean something if you stick to them when it’s inconvenient.
If he’s better off now, he simply should have sent Moore a check for $12,000 and a personal thank you note. Going public like this, and using it as an opportunity to bash Moore, is dispicable. Has anyone seen Moore talk about this in public? No. This cock did, and in the process has lost all credibility.
May 19th, 2007 at 7:36 am
I believe the term for this is “don’t look a gift horse in the mouth”.
May 19th, 2007 at 7:43 am
Why does everyone assume that Michael Moore has any alterior motive other than to say that we’re all in this together? Moore’s whole stance is that healthcare is ridiculously expensive. The difference here is that Moore doesn’t take this ass’s attacks pesonally, while Kenefick shows himself to be little more than an obsessed paranoid freak. In short, Kenefick does what he does out of hate, and Moore is just being nice.
Maybe Kenefick ought to just let go. He appears to value his hatred for Moore more than his or his own wife’s health. What a total jerk.
May 19th, 2007 at 8:01 am
Let me get this straight.
It’s the HMO that is killing him, it’s the webserver that’s bleeding him, and Michael Moore is a jerk trying to anonymously help this guy out? At least he has the honestyy to acknowledge Moore’s help. He can criticize Mike’s positions whithut attacking the motives or person behind the movie. Just as Moore can criticize his attacks. There is nothing wrong with civil debate. Maybe it’s not all these outside things attacking this guy. Maybe there is a point to some of Mike’s movies after all.
May 19th, 2007 at 8:07 am
Kenefick’s response to this is disgusting. If he was truly concerned that Moore would use the donation against him in the future, she should have discarded the check. That is, of course, unless his wife’s health is more important to him than maintaining his right to be indignant about every move Moore makes.
I’m no Moore fanboy, I trust little of what he says, but if you genuinely believe he is going to use this situation as ammo in the future, you decide if taking the money is worth giving him that chance or not. If yes, cash the check and weather the storm. If not, burn it and hope that the many people who read your site and rail against Moore with you, stick around to help once the two minutes hate is over.
May 19th, 2007 at 8:23 am
Ironically, the way that Kenefick went about this whole thing seems to be turning into a
self-fulfilling prophecy. He was so afraid that Moore was going to use it against him,
it drove him to speak out vividly against any potential move Moore could make. Since it
seems from what I’ve read that Moore really wanted to be anonymous, the pre-emptive
strike backfired, and now people think Kenefick is more of a loser than ever, which seems
to me to be what he was trying to avoid in the first place.
My wife has been sick for awhile, and its very stressful- sometimes leads you to do things
you wouldn’t do if you sat and thought rationally about it for awhile.
Life is stranger than fiction already- it doesn’t need to be provoked.
May 19th, 2007 at 8:30 am
No wonder his wife is sick with all that anger, hate and vitriol in close proximity.
He’s killing her.
May 19th, 2007 at 8:33 am
Not surprising. The republican party was home to former segregationalists very recently. It was also home to many biased against gays. Most racists love Bush and probably vote republican. Republicans are for the most part are thinly veiled racist and sexist bastards.
May 19th, 2007 at 8:37 am
Hate is a poison.
It must be difficult for Jim Kenefick to have two things in his head at the same time. His reaction is symptomatic of what he does for a living. He can’t take anything at face value and must investigate everything and find the faults with it. We need people like Kenefick and Moore to help us see the world around us and force dialog between us in a busy world.
The problem is when it gets personal and you can’t leave work at work. Not many of us would take the time to investigate an anonymous check. I wouldn’t even know how. Sure I’d be curious, but the priority would be my wife. Mr. Kenefick seems to have placed his debate with Mr. Moore before his wife. He took the check, and I’m sure it helped. But due to his personality, he now has to deal with the knowledge that he is living in a cage of hate. Hate is always fear. Hate is cheap and hollow and irresponsible. Now Kenefick has another thing to fear: perhaps he is wrong about a few things.
Imagine investing so much time and effort into the research and tracking and the interviews and the gossip only to find that he’s a human after all? How embarrassing!
Why is it so hard for people to disagree and still be friends? Why can’t we just all get along? Oh yeah, to answer my own question: if we all got along, there wouldn’t be nearly as much art and money to be made.
May 19th, 2007 at 8:40 am
Eric N. @ 5:46 put in a nutshell one of the big problems with the way we fail to relate to people from the other side these days:
“No one’s willing to even attempt to assume that someone who thinks or acts differently them themselves has good motives.”
Although I generally agree with Moore politically, I see validity in the criticism of him as a fairly cunning manipulator. I think he is not above tricking people a little to make his point sometimes.
Kenefick feels this very strongly. He was afraid that Moore would eventually use his act of kindness and Kenefick’s acceptance of it to prove some kind of point at Kenefick’s expense. I, for one, don’t know if Kenefick’s fear is justified, since I’m not privvy to Moore’s secret plans, but I will say that Kenefick’s gambit seems strategically reasonable: do the research, take the money, but be tansparent about it all so Moore’s putative plans are dashed. We could wish that Kenefick weren’t such a paranoid douchebag and that he had made his point with humor and civility, but the man is who he is, right? We’re not going to reform him by calling him an asshole, so maybe we should stop taking things to the personal level right away.
May 19th, 2007 at 9:11 am
Kenefick claims that Moore would use the donation “against him some day”. The true irony is that Kenefick self-inflict exactly that kind of damage himself by his own acts and reactions. A further irony is that he’s probably not smart enough to realize what he did to himself!
One could argue that Moore might have expected Kenefick to self-inflict a wound like this - it’s in the character of people with overly simplistic world-views to be so easily induced. But the fact that Moore made the gift anonymously and has been making ‘Sicko’, which exposes the pervasiveness of exactly the kind of situation Kenefick was in, leads me to believe it was an honest gift.
What would have been a completely anonymous and seemingly random act of kindness was turned into situation that, if helping anyone, could only help his nemesis, and, if hurting anyone, could only hurt himself. The ancient Greeks had the concepts of hubris, hamartia and tragic downfall. Proof of the relevance of the classics - what was happening 3000 years ago is still happening daily today.
May 19th, 2007 at 9:18 am
what an idiot. he got the check send by an anonymous and he should be grateful for it there was no need for him to check who the actual sender was. he could have posted a nice thank you to that anonymous sender and be done with it. by coming public with this moore won more respect from me and iam sure form several others than this clown will ever get.
i would have done the same thing if i ever had a nemesis and wouldve serious problems. at the end of the day we are all humans with or without different agendas.
ps: i hope his wife gets better soon.
May 19th, 2007 at 9:43 am
I doubt Michael Moore was hoping for the guys silence or anything idiotic like that.
I think it’s great he sent the money. Go Moore!
May 19th, 2007 at 10:24 am
wow what an ingrate. he should taste the bitterness of harsh world.
May 19th, 2007 at 10:37 am
The highest form of charity is giving a gift to a specific needy person anonymously. Moore acted with great integrity. As for Kenefick, I agree with “eggzakt” that he can’t entertain two conflicting notions at once. Certainly Moore is a propogandist - I say this having studied several of his films in sociology courses in college. But Kenefick must really think Moore is subhuman, to launch preemptive attack on him like that. Oh, well, we’re not going to change K’s paranoia, and we’re not going to change Moore’s politics. I just hope the health and insurance issues subside and K has a chance to feel some gratitude about that. As for Moore, I respect him more as a person even though I’m still wary of his movie manipulations.
May 19th, 2007 at 10:38 am
What an idiot. If I was in the same predicament, I would still say thank you.
$12,000 is a lot of money. Go Moore, this time. :P
May 19th, 2007 at 10:38 am
Too bad I can’t spell propagandist.
May 19th, 2007 at 10:40 am
Why would moore give this retard money? Kenefick deserves to be kicked in the balls and I hope his wife dies.
May 19th, 2007 at 10:46 am
Controversy is always good for films. The worst thing that could happen to Michael Moore would be to slowly drift away from public eye.
Michael Moore is not stupid, he knows that by keeping his nemesis alive and kicking, the continued controversy will translate into higher box office receipts for his next film. (and current films as well
May 19th, 2007 at 11:05 am
Maybe Moore didn’t have any motive except he thought, I have the money this guys doesn’t, why not help him out. It could be as simple as that. Some people just really have compassion for others.
May 19th, 2007 at 11:08 am
Ben: “The simplest explanation that fits the facts is usually correct.”
Somebody was just trying to be nice to someone else?
May 19th, 2007 at 11:12 am
The ‘healthcare’ industry is anything but! The U.S. is #1 in costs and depending on the report 32 to 61st in the quality of care. I know from experience! For over three years I have been trying to get help for headache pain the affects hearing, balance, vision, cognitive ability and HORRIBLE pain. Spent thousands, saw half a dozen doctors, lost my job, insurance, had to declare bankruptcy and have been living with relatives for two years. Dr replies from “Its stress related- there’s nothing we can do” to “There’s nothing we can do for inner ear pain” to “get over it”, “live with it”. The only tests done were CT scan, Thyroid and liver tests and a Lyme didease test- all after asking and asking for tests (I had to badger them). At this point I am just waiting to commit suicide when the pain pushes me over the the edge. When you go from happy, healthy $65K/year to constant chronic debilitating pain and the ‘healthcare’ industry tells you to f**k off it makes you want to kill and torture doctors. The christian part of me prevents that BUT since suicide is the only way to relieve the pain so I will go that way. Read the new JAMA report that says Dr’s cause 1 in four deaths!!
May 19th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
It’s not proven that Michael Moore made the contribution. Someone with a vendetta assumes that Michael Moore made the donation. Moore probably lives in an upscale neighborhood with plenty of other millionaires. It’s just as likely that one of them has right wing leanings and could have sent the donations. I’ll bet Moore’s office is not in the ghetto either. This is NYC, one of the highest population densities in the world so It could have been anyone. This incident only points to the mental illness that is consuming a right wing hate vendor.
May 19th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Well I think Micheal Moore knows that people like Jim Kenefick helps promote him. (http://www.menupt.com)
May 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pm
Just so it’s all clear…
Moore discredits himself with every movie he makes.
All this guy does is point it out for the less aware in the world.
May 19th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
If MM donated the money openly, then that is open for comment. But as he did it anonymously, then surely that’s his business, plenty of people donate anonymously.
If JK asked for help, but then criticised the person for helping when they had done it as an anonymous gesture, then that says far more about JK’s outlook on life than it does about MM’s motives.
May 19th, 2007 at 5:55 pm
Out of curiosity I visited Jim Kenefick’s website. This guy is totally consumed with an irrational hated for Michael Moore. I have no idea why, or what Moore did to send Mr. Kenefick into such hatred. He makes movies for Christ’s sake, movies. How can someone become so irrational over a political ideology that they disagree with? This guy needs help with more than medical bills.
May 19th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
Kenefick seems like a paranoid ass. I also think he should have just ripped up the check if he was so offended. Or else, keep it and say thank you, like a decent human being.
May 19th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Kenefick : I hate Michael Moore and I don’t make enough money to keep my wife healthy!
Moore : Here’s a check to help your wife.
Kenefick : I’ll cash your check you dirty m.f. and I will spend the money you slimy SOB.
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Fred Thompson : I’m running for President and I think Michael Moore sucks because somebody told me he supports Cuba.
Moore : What’s up with those Cuban cigars on your desk? Let’s debate healthcare sometime.
Fred Thompson : Don’t you dare talk about what’s on my desk. Don’t you dare ask me to debate something in public. I just want to make an irrelevant point about somebody else who received electro-shock in Cuba! I’m an old man, and that’s what I do best!
May 19th, 2007 at 7:28 pm
I support this decision.
Moore knows what he’s up to, and just playing games. I spend a fortune on health care, and I say it’s worth every penny.
If I had “free” health care, myself and those I love would likely be dead.
I’ll pay top dollar for top medical care, rather than drop dead in the emergency room.
May 19th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
A real man would have come up with the $12,000 on his own. I mean, come on, that’s less than the price of a crappy car. What kind of trailer do you have to be living in to find it impossible to raise $12,000?
May 19th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Dwindle: One of the facts that Moore uses in the film is that the people who live in countries that have free health care live longer and are percentagewise more healthier.
May 19th, 2007 at 7:35 pm
Two choices. send the money back or be a man and say a simple “Thank you”
Moore knows who this guy is and doesn’t expect him to change. Can’t even say “Thanks”. What a dick
May 19th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
He had to know it wasn’t one of the ditto heads who follow his site. Thats why he went to all the investigative trouble- it had to be someone educated, wealthy, and compassionate- not a trait of the neocons.
May 19th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
Jim’s wife has been living in hell, as are all wives married to conservatives.
Let’s let her go in peace to heaven where she’ll never have to see him again;
for all lovely eternity.
May 19th, 2007 at 8:48 pm
I could use that 12k since my wife who is a double amputee is in need of a van equipped with a ramp and steer controller for the brakes/accelerator, etc.
We saw a 1996 van for sale that’s so perfect for my wife for 10k, but we’re so broke that we can’t afford it. *sighs!*
My crappy job and her SSD just barely makes the bills. Plus my being deaf doesn’t help land me a better job so I could save for one.
Here’s hoping for something good along for us.
May 19th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Well, more recent posts on Jim’s blog make it sound like Moore fessed up.
Before reading those, though, I have to admit I thought Jim was making some unwarranted
leaps of logic. Why?
Well, I spend a few weeks a year in New York City, and I kinda know which banks are there.
I also know that some of ‘em only have one branch in the city, and others have so many
branches it’s not even funny… but if you’re searching on-line, there are four biggies that
will just show you the 5 closest branches.
5 branches within walking distance, Jim said… hmm. Sounds like the search results spit out
by Chase, Bank of America, Wachovia and Commerce. And all of those have plenty of branches
OTHER places, too.
So, well, I’m glad to hear that Jim came up with more than that as evidence, ‘cos the leap from
“omigod it came from a bank with branches near Michael Moore!” to it actually coming from
Moore himself was a pretty major one.
May 19th, 2007 at 10:39 pm
Unbelievable! Someone gives you money for your sick wife and in response you throw them under the bus? Why does Jim insist on bickering about politics and slaming Moore when he should simply say “Thanks”. If his situation was REALLY as bad as he explains no doubt he would have. I’m crying foul, perhaps the whole thing is a rouse.
May 19th, 2007 at 10:48 pm
where i come from, thats “bad luck”, some cancers come back for apparently no reason. does his wife feel the same way? you sound like a very angry person, some fun might help, and if you were smart, this was an opportunity to receive a heap of donations, but humans by nature are turned off by ungrateful people.
May 19th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
Scott is right.
It is completely possible to accept kindness graciously and respect the anonymity
of a benefactor while keeping your integrity.
Many of Falwell’s “opposite numbers” on the Left have come forward to
eulogize and praise Falwell’s kindness, personal integrity and talk about the friendships he made with them while still politely standing behind his own
(opposing) views. If Falwell, the “father” of the Far-right movement in the U.S.
can be gracious while keeping his position and integrity, so can this guy.
And really, if he’s so proud of his “fact finding”, you think he’d wait until he had
a little more proof of who this benefactor actually IS before popping off.
As someone who has also been left behind by the US medical system
(and never got so lucky as to find such a kind benefactor) I’m here to tell
this schmuck that he should shut up and thank his lucky stars someone cared enough to give him that “new start” –something a lot of us never got.
May 19th, 2007 at 11:48 pm
When an enemy gives you the money to help your ailing wife, especially if he does it anonymously so as not to embarrass you the only correct response is “Thank you.” Others like “I hope I can do the same for you some day ” or “As you have helped me, may G-d help you” are also acceptable. Lashing out and using cheap insults is unworthy of a real man or woman.
Michale Moore has shown more Christian charity and traditional values in this act than that whole flock of low-life cock-gobblers who make their livings tearing him down. If the Moorewatch twit had been dignified and adult about it all would have been fine. Instead, by being an unregenerate asshole he has diminished himself while increasing the stature of his enemy. It’s one of those wonderful times where evil is returned only to the evildoer and good to the good person by his own actions.
According to Christian mythology via Dante the lowest circles of hell are reserved for those who betray their families, lords and benefactors. Looks like someone has a future destination mapped out.
May 19th, 2007 at 11:59 pm
I think a good person can still be polite and grateful yet cautious. He doesn’t have to change how he is. But a “thanks, man” would’ve been appropriate. Maybe Michael is trying to “buy” him, but why would he do it anonymously then?
May 20th, 2007 at 1:51 am
The real dickhead is not Michael Moore but the ungrateful idiot who wasn’t content to accept an anonymous
gift. Moore made no attempt to let his name leak out and I am convinced he would have been happy to it have been left that way.
From where I sit I can see why the US cringes from Moores work.
His so called “antagonist” hasn’t got the brains to see that his predicament is the DIRECT result of the US medical way. If you haven’t got the money for insurance or direct payment for services then sorry can’t help you.
Our Health care services in Australia certainly are not perfect but it so far ahead of the wealthy US that it is laughable.
You even have the US Pharmaceutical Industry trying to break down our Pharmaceutical Scheme by using the Free Trade agreement. Fortunately, Australian voters have made it very clear to all politicians that any attempt to concede to the US plans will result in them being kicked out faster than they can catch their breath.
Please don’t reply with crap that our scheme unfairly exploits US knowhow. If you did even basic research you would be shocked to discover just how much Australian Medical Science has contributed to the world of medicine. Far more per head of population than the US. (USA=300mil, Aust.=20mil)
I used to be an avid US fan but as I got older I got wiser. Every day I worry for the wellbeing of a number of lifelong friends I have in the US. Kinder more considerate people you could ever hope to meet. I think the majority of US people are like that too. Unfortunately the opposites have the political and financial power to do what they like to whoever they like. Their wealth from greed, corruption, lies and theft and propagating the idea that greed is good.
Good onya Michael Moore.
May 20th, 2007 at 3:00 am
gOD FORBID SOMEONE IN THE MEDIA… manipulates… thESE JOKERS ATTACK mOORE FOR WHAT IS DONE DAILY ONE EVERY NEWS STATION IN THE COUNTRY. tHE PROBLEMS THEY DOCUMENT ABOUT mOORE ARE MOSTLY JUST RHETORIC ABOUT HIM BEING HIM BEING NOT SO NICE, ETC… gROW UP. i WISH SOMEONE MAILED ME 12.000 DOLLARS!
May 20th, 2007 at 5:55 am
Just to add some information to it. Moore uses his annonymous donation to close his new film ‘Sicko,’ so he certainly had no intention of remaining annonymous forever. It was for this reason JimK brought it up on his site, because he had been tipped off that Moore was going to use it in some way.
Secondly, I’d like to point out that JimK doesn’t make money from Moorewatch, or any other Moore activities. Part of the reason the donation was accepted as because the site was costing so much to run (due to a corrupt host at the time).
May 20th, 2007 at 7:40 am
I wonder how important his wife is to him? Everybody can take sides regarding Michael Moore’s intent, but JimK could have ended this simply by thanking the anonymous donor, and dropping the issue. If Moore had made a big deal about it, it would have hurt his credibility. And he certainly hasn’t made a big deal about it thus far.
May 20th, 2007 at 7:55 am
I’m going to bet that you never hear a peep from Moore about this. However, if he does decide to use it for his own purposes, then he should be publicly flayed.
May 20th, 2007 at 10:24 am
What a jerk. He didn’ thave to track dowm the money and then make a public spectacle of it. The only way to show he’s “better” is to give the money back to moore. I bet he won’t do that though. He’s nothing but a welfare case.
May 20th, 2007 at 12:18 pm
If Moore gave me 12,000 dollars, even anonymously, I’d be very suspicious of his motives also.
This is a man with an agenda, and he’s proven that he’s not afraid to stab even his friends in the back, under the guise of doing good for them, for his own benefit.
May 20th, 2007 at 3:31 pm
I don’t mean this to sound rude, but are some of you people stupid? Look at the facts:
-Moore is doing a movie about health care in America, and sees that his biggest
critic is having problems paying for health care. Moore decides to use this to his
advantage. Don’t believe me? Watch the end of SICKO, Moore put the fact that
he sent Jim K money into the film as a final joke. It’s a final “I’m better than
you” from Moore to Jim K. Also, did you know that Moore has threatened to sue
Jim K in the past? Look it up.
-Moore sends the money anonymously, then suddenly comes out with around the
exact same time that his film is being released. Good publicity for Moore is it not?
-Moore has put Jim in a “damed if you do, damed if you don’t” situation by sending him the money. Jim is screwed whether he takes the money or not and even if Jim doesn’t accept the money then Moore will still put the fact that he sent Jim the cash in his movie. Either way Moore wins - he gets publicity, discredits his rival, looks like a darling angel hero to the brainless media and public, and gets to put the fact that he helped Jim into his movie as a joke. What kind of joke you ask? Its the kind of joke that Liberals love to tell daily. It’s the joke that states ” We are better than you and more giving than you. So we win!”
- The way you people in the media are covering this is asinine. You are leaving out important chunks of the story and saying that Moore just gave money out of the goodness of his heart to his biggest rival - leaving out that Moore used Jim for his movie and for publicity for his film - something that Moore is notorious for. Whenever Moore is about to release a new movie he and Weinstein stir up as much fake controversy as they can. They claimed that the government was coming to get take their movie away. They claimed that they had to hide the movie from the government monsters to reveal the truth to you guys. And they came out publicly instead of remaining anonymous when it comes to helping Jim K. So if you believe any of the shit Moore has spoon fed you, you are a tool.
-Stop being a tool. Demand that the media tell you the whole story and analyze Moore and his actions and think about the timing of his actions as well. This is yellow journalism at it’s worst. Moore exploited Jim Ks weakness and is using him in his movie. This is poison to our society and you should not support it.
May 20th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
Here is a better version of what happened:
Kenefick : I need help. My wife and I can’t afford health care.
Moore : My new movie is about health care. Idea! I’ll send my arch nemesis a check and put that into my movie. This will make me look good and show that I care while also using him for my movie whether he likes it or not. Then when the movie is about to come out I’ll go public with it and get all the attention I want while making Jim look like an asshole! Yay me!
Kenefick : I already used the money from the anonymous source, but now I’ve come to find out that it’s from Moore. Well, thanks Mike, but I will still be critical of your movies.
The media and the public: OMFG! Kenny is mean.
You tools.
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Fred Thompson : I’m running for President and I don’t like yellow journalists like Michael Moore, however the retarded public eats his shit up.
Moore : What’s up with those Cuban cigars on your desk? Let’s debate healthcare sometime.
Fred Thompson : I don’t smoke Cuban cigars and I don’t have time to debate with fat men who don’t even know the facts. Just remember what kind of a country Cuba really is.
Moore: You see everyone he’s scared to debate me!!
Fred Thompson: No, I just don’t care for douches. And btw, why didn’t you debate Sean Hannity when he called you out?
Moore: (I’ll make a movie and edit it so that it looks like that never happened! Yay! With some mere celluoid and some idiots I can rewrite history!)
May 20th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
-Moore is doing a movie about health care in America, and sees that his biggest
critic is having problems paying for health care. Moore decides to use this to his
advantage. Don’t believe me? Watch the end of SICKO, Moore put the fact that
he sent Jim K money into the film as a final joke. It’s a final “I’m better than
you†from Moore to Jim K.
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i havent seen the film, and i will reserve my opinion until i see the film. no offense or anything, but you seem to be from Moore Watch — and Im not gonna take what you say seriously!!
Also, did you know that Moore has threatened to sue
Jim K in the past? Look it up.
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you made the claim, not doing the work for you. if its so easy to find, then provide the damn link. and not from moore watch, mmk.
May 20th, 2007 at 3:54 pm
Creeps Says:
May 20th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
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Jim K, is that you? lol.
May 20th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
“but you seem to be from Moore Watch — and Im not gonna take what you say seriously!!”
It doesn’t matter where I am from. I don’t work for Moorewatch. I’m just another person on the net with an opinion. Look at the truth and the content of what I saw instead of focusing on where I’m from. Use your head.
“you made the claim, not doing the work for you. if its so easy to find, then provide the damn link. and not from moore watch, mmk.”
No. Get off your fat ass and find out for yourself. Go to Moorewatch and find out instead of being biased against a website that documents the falsehoods in Moores propaganda films.
And no, I’m not Jim. I’m a guy who’s looked into this issue from multiple sides and I’m tired of the media leaving out the facts and making it appear as if Moore is good and Jim - who has said thank you many times- is a bad guy. Read what I wrote about again if you need to.
May 20th, 2007 at 5:52 pm
The whole idea of doing a good deed anonymously is to STAY anonymous. You do it because you can and because it’s the right thing to do. You don’t do a generous thing and then use it to make yourself look good, as Michael Moore does in Sicko. If he was really being kind hearted he never would’ve exploited his act of kindness in his movie. I know nothing about Jim K., but I do know he’s in a touch spot. The best option for him is to find some way to give back the $12k to Moore.
May 20th, 2007 at 5:54 pm
disagreeing with other people’s views is all well and good, but does disagreement always require vitriolic hatred? larry flynt showed more class in dealing acknowledging his own nemesis, jerry falwell. you can sincerely say “thank you” and still not compromise on your principles.
May 21st, 2007 at 4:47 am
If you ask me he doesn’t seem to be a very good entrepeneur, getting ripped off by his hosting service and having an expensive health care plan (that’s another story). I mean if I were this guy and was having this kind of problem I would probably realign my center of beliefs. Being counter-Moore doesn’t seem to be that lucrative if Dubya isn’t funding it. (Probably he thought that sooner or later the FBI would like to hire him to put Moore in bars once and for all!!!)
May 21st, 2007 at 7:11 am
Age of Conan!!!!! FTW!
May 21st, 2007 at 8:21 am
What is he supposed to do? Change his opinions of Moore and get rid of his website because Moore did something nice?
Put it another way and ask yourself if you would suddenly start praising Bush or Fred Phleps or whoever your nemesis is because they did something nice for you.
His sticking to his principles and refusing to be bought out by what is ultimately pocket change to moore. There’s nothing wrong with that.
May 21st, 2007 at 11:57 am
Haha what a loser. I love how he rages against Moore yet still cashes the cheque and takes his money anyway. Instead of being greatful and not commecnting on the matter or just sending a thank you to Moore privately and teling him he will pay him back he chooses to make it ublic and use it as another opportunity to bash Moore.
May 21st, 2007 at 2:04 pm
John English,
As a favor to you, I’ll tell you this;
When you make comments on a story whoe facts and timeline you are
obviously completely ignorant of, it only makes you look like a fool of
the highest order.
Not only is it apparent that you have no clue what the truth behind this
story is, but it seems as if you have not even bothered to actually read
this badly researched article ABOUT that story.
Did you form your silly, imputent little opinion solely on the rediculously
insipid and sheep-minded comments from the other mindless Moore
defenders, here?
You know what’s funniest, and saddest, at the same time?
That so many of you admire Moore because of your perception that he
“speaks truth to power” and that he “stands up to the establishment”.
…and yet, you doggedly refuse to open your eyes and see that in this
case, as well as many others, Moore IS the “establishment” that is being
stood up to, and IS the “power” who is having truth spoken to him.
He IS the big guy, trying to squash the little guy for daring to criticize him.
But you have NO PROBLEM with THAT, at all, huh?
How about, for once, instead of drooling and following Moore’s word like a
movie set full of zombies, you actually do what you profess to admire,
and question authority? Question the “official” story that the incredibly
lazy press is spoon-feeding you without bothering to do it’s homework?
Find out the REAL facts on your own, and THEN make a decision, instead
of hearing a nonsensical third-party retelling of a biased version of the
story, and forming mindless opinions based on it..?
No? Okay then. Just go see “Sicko” instead, as you’re obviously much
more comfortable with just being TOLD what to think.
May 21st, 2007 at 7:51 pm
To ColdHardTruth,
I was going to post about how these people do not seem to know all the fact, but nothing I could say could explain the situation any better than your post.
May 21st, 2007 at 8:00 pm
And by the way…since we all know now that Moore did put this whole check to Jim incident in his movie, does it not bother you that Moore used Jim? That the whole anonymous thing was a ploy to begin with?
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:30 am
Creeps you have it good job
May 22nd, 2007 at 8:32 am
Michael Moore is God.
May 23rd, 2007 at 5:43 am
Let’s review:
Moore: Health care in the US is unmanageably expensive.
Jim K: My wife needs health care but it’s unmanageably expensive.
Possibly Moore: Here’s $12,000,
Jim K: Everything Moore says is a LIE! And damn him for potentially drawing attention to an anecdote that supports his thesis!
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:37 pm
McCanoehead,
An honest, informed review would look more like this;
Moore: Capitalism is evil and stupid. Healthcare costs should be forcibly
confiscated from US citizens!
JimK: Hey! I just found a new insurance provider that’s saving me a ton of
money! It’s still pretty expensive, though. Guess I won’t be getting that
new PS3 for a few more months…
Anonymous: Hey, I love your site. You want a new PS3? No problem. Let me
pay your insurance bill for a year, NO STRINGS ATTACHED.
Oh, and please keep me anonymous. I don’t want to ruin the
thought behind this generous gift!
JimK: Sure! No problem. And thank you. It’s nice to know some people are not
out solely for themselves!
JimK (thinking): This is a little suspicious. Who gives $12k as a gift?
Hrmm.. it might be Moore. maybe. possibly.
Of course, it could be anyone, really.
But hey, it’s a gift of selfless kindness. What
possible harm could come of it?
Moore: Aha! You cashed the check! Gotcha! I AM the anonymous donor, and
now I’m going to make you look like a douchebag in my new movie!
That’s what you get for exposing my lies!
JimK; I thought there were no strings attached? (Thank you again, by the way.)
Moore: Well, DUH! I lied! I’m Michael Moore, remember? It’s kind of what I do…
JimK: Yeah, I guess. Still, that was very nice of you. Thanks, again.
But do you have to ruin the thought by putting it in the movie?
Moore: Yes, I do. It makes you look bad, and me look good.
JimK: Not to anyone who knows the story, it doesn’t.
(Thanks, again, by the way.)
Moore: Hello? Have you MET my fans? They see what I tell them to see. No
more, no less. They’ll endlessly berate you without knowing half the
story, and be just fine with it.
JimK: Well that’s messed up. I hope you understand that I’m not going to
stop telling the truth, right?
Moore: Oh, well then you’re just ungrateful!
JimK: No, I’m very grateful. (Thanks again, by the way.) I just don’t want you
to think you can buy my integrity, especially with a sneaky trick.
Moore: I’m telling my fans.
JimK: Okaaaay… and what are they going to…
More Fans: You scumbag! You stole Moore’s money then lied about him!
You made a deal with him then renegged on it!
Give the money back if you’re not going to take down your site!
Stop saying things about Moore! He legally owns you now!
I heard he performed CPR on your dying wife while you
pissed on his head! You evil nazi!
Bwahhh!!!
Neoconbushhitlercheneyrovecoflightsuit911
conspiracybwlahhhhhhhhhhhh…. sputtersputtersputter….
JimK: Wow. That was pretty frightening. (Thanks again, by the way.)
Moore: That’s what you get for never thanking me.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:45 pm
By the way, MrCanoehead,
“im K: Everything Moore says is a LIE! And damn him for potentially drawing attention to an anecdote that supports his thesis!”
Err… precisely how does the act of one private individual voluntarily assisting
another private individual, with funds derived from capitalist enterprises,
support the thesis that such help should only come from forced taxation of the
citizenry and redistributed without consent or choice of any kind?
(egro: socialized medicine)
Seems to me that, if Moore has promoted any thesis here at all, it’s JimK’s.
You see, JimK has, on multiple occasions in the last few years, stated his principles regarding healthcare and other enterprises as being optimally
funded through “Free market forces and charitable donations”, to quote him
precisely.
So actually, Moore has betrayed his own ideology, not supported it.
May 23rd, 2007 at 8:39 pm
I think it’s hilarious to read all of the comments to this thread starting from the top. To all of you folks who insisted JimK was wrong for mentioning the anonymous gift, how do you feel now that Moore used the incident in his movie?
…and I quote:
Esther N:
“The donation had been, at the time Kenefick exposed it, anonymous. To
expose it and then rant about his integrity, is the work of an utter shit.”
No Esther, Moore planned this whole thing so he coul dput it in his movie. He used JimK.
Luke Daly says”
“this guy who’s wife is ill, what a complete ASS! First off, if moore wanted to use the cash donation against him, why not submit it using his name instead of hiding, this moore watch guy also makes a living off moore”
Gues what? Moore used trhis whole stunt in his movie! How about that? BTW, Moorewatch makes no money. all of it goes to server fees.
and let’s not forget Jack Frost wit this gem:
” Has anyone seen Moore talk about this in public? No. This cock did, and in the process has lost all credibility.
”
Um, yeah , Jack. I did see Moore talk about this in public. So who has any credibilty left at this point? Certainly not you..
Oh, and LH BAKER too:
“Why does everyone assume that Michael Moore has any alterior motive other than to say that we’re all in this together? ”
Because Moore put the stun tin his movie!!!That’s why
Does anyone see a pattern here?
Now that the truth has come out ,and yes , this is yet another Moore stunt, all those evil things said abotu JimK should be retracted, but of course, they aren’t.
Typical
May 26th, 2007 at 6:12 am
Some people appear to be assuming that it could
only have been Michael Moore who leaked the
details of his anonymous, and I would think very
generous, gift to Mr Kenefick. I believe that
Michael Moore (who clearly is clearly not a fool)
would not have done so even if only because he
would have the sense to realise that Mr Kenefick
would ensure that it was used in a damaging
way against him and his film and would hardly be
good ‘publicity’. He is not short of publicity, why
would he risk bad publicity?
As far as I can see from looking around the net,
but I might be wrong, Michael Moore does not
seem to be consumed by hatred of Jim Kenefick.
However, Mr Kenefick’s site does give a strong
impression that he is consumed with hatred for
Mr Moore. My apologies to Mr Kenefick if I
have got the wrong impression of his site, but
that certainly was the first thing that struck me
on my visit there.
As regards to the leaked details of the donation,
it could have been Mr Moore - though personally I
don’t believe it was. There’s also the point that
if Mr Moore was so desperate for more publicity
that he did leak it - why would he not be taking
full advantage by personally speaking up about it
himself and playing on public sympathy by loudly
accusing Mr Kenefick of being ungrateful, etc?
Its possible that Mr Moore may have confided at
some time to a close friend or a member of his
family that he had donated money and there may
be other people such as someone at the bank who
dealt with the gift transaction for instance who might
have leaked it either intentionally or unintentionally.
Nobody knows for certain, all we do know is that
the donation was definitely known of by the giver
AND by the receiver.
The issue of the donation is being used rather
effectively to try to harm Mr Moore’s reputation,
and just at the right time as his film comes out
to do the most damage. It appears to being used
by someone who a) knows about the donation and
b) appears to have chosen to spend his life in
bringing down Mr Moore.
I personally believe Mr Moore is a genuine person
but, even if I did not, simply by weighing up the
situation as above and applying logic, if it were a
choice solely between the two people we know
knew about the donation and which of those would
seem to be more likely to use the other by leaking
it to the press for their own means - I would not be
able to honestly or logically, come to the conclusion
at this point that it was Mr Moore.
However, we don’t have any evidence either way,
so any conclusions we do come to are purely
based on speculation rather than information.
May 26th, 2007 at 6:22 am
Adding to the last post, I have read comments
saying that the donation was mentioned in the
documentary, but I have no idea whether this is
actually true or an assumption, and if it were
true, in what context it was mentioned.
May 26th, 2007 at 7:47 am
In a way, none of it matters.
Michael Moore’s film was a
resounding success at Cannes and
people decided that for themselves
by how they felt about the content
of the film, not from being influenced
by people on websites who try to
discredit Michael Moore.
And thats what counts :)
May 26th, 2007 at 1:51 pm
Will,
Sorry, but you’re dead wrong on this.
Please allow me to clarify;
While the initial leak may or may not have been Moore himself, it hardly
Matters. This “leak” can only 2 days before Moore himself confirmed that
it would be the ending scene of the film. (Not a cute side note, or anecdote,
but the closing scene of the film- a spot generally reserved for the most
important of revelations or reflections)
2 days before… that’s all. So common sense says it was Moore, but either way, it was far too late to do anything about it.
And then, the day after that, Moore called JimK personally to confirm it.
This was only an hour or so before the Cannes screening.
Why wait until the last minute?
I don’t know about you, but this seems more like a “gotcha, and there’s nothing you can do about it now” moment, to me.
And according to all the reviewers who mentioned the scene, and they are many,
It portrayed Jim as a sap, and a hypocrite.
So that’s your motivation, right there. (Though anyone who knows the history of Moore and Jim expected exactly that.)
As for Jim being hateful, and Moore not caring…
Moorewatch is not dedicated to discrediting Moore. It’s dedicated to discrediting many of the points Moore makes in his films.
This is a subtle, but important, difference.
Jim does NOT personally hate Moore, and has said as much openly.
He has also, SEVERAL TIMES, publicly thanked Moore for the gift, since it became public that Moore was the giver, so it would be difficult for Moore to call him ungrateful. (Though many of his mindless, hateful fans have done just that.)
Moore, however, DOES hold a good degree of vitriol for Jim.
Did you know that he tried o sue Jim 5 years ago?
Did you know that Moore’s original term, “Wacko attackos” was coined in
rerferrence specifically to Jim?
Did you know that Moore has published some moorewatch’s postings, directing
his fans there to disrupt the message boards?
Trust me, Moore has plenty of hate for Jim… and this is precisely why this
“gift” was given, in the way it was given, and why it played out the way it did;
so that he could put the content into this film, and try to discredit Jim.
It’s really very simple and obvious to those who have watched it all unfold.
But somewhere in the press coverage of it all, plenty of facts (curiously, all
the ones that support Jim) have mysteriously vanished.
I would recommend to anyone who wants to know the real story, to visit moorewatch.com and read all the postings on the subject, from day one.
May 26th, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Hi CHT.
Thank you for taking the trouble to explain.
I’m rather busy at the moment and though
I’ve read through your message I need
some time to read what you advise, as some of
those detail are new to me.
In the meantime, one sentence jumped out.
You said:
—He has also, SEVERAL TIMES, publicly thanked
Moore for the gift, since it became public that Moore
was the giver, so it would be difficult for Moore
to call him ungrateful.—
The bit that did stick out really was the
SINCE IT BECAME PUBLIC part.
From the bits I have gathered so far,
the donation must have been some time
ago as JK checked with the bank etc, found out
from searching banks that it was MM that had
donated it, waited for time to ensure it wasn’t a hoax
and soforth and then paid bills (his wife’s
medical bills I expect) over a period of time.
Is that right?
BUT it was only a few days ago (just over a week?)
that the donation became public - which is when
JK decided to say thank you - once the matter
was in the public light?
If that is correct, it remindsme a little of, say,
someone who gets away with something and
doesn’t intend owning up, and only
says ‘I’m sorry’ when they’re caught, in the hope
that they won’t be ‘punished’ for having done
something in the first place.
Not saying thank you for a long time for
a gift, UNTIL it gets into the public domain
seems rather like that, ie, that there was
no intention of saying thank you until it was
spotlighted?
Or have I got that part wrong, I’ve been aware
that the film being made for a LONG time, but
this side of it all is quite new to me.
As with regard to the rest of it, I think I’ve got a
lot of reading to do before giving an answer and I
can’t start on that as I’ve quite a lot on at the
moment, but I will get around to it. :)
May 26th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
I realise it could have been because he didn’t
want MM to know he’d traced the donor, but
I would have thought it very likely that chasing
up a donor through a bank on a considerable
sum of money could attract the attention of
the banker who might worry about why, and the
security of his client, and so tell him what was
happening.
How I see it at the moment, from what I understand,
having taken those steps to find out it was MM, it
would have been honest and courteous to have
contacted him to say that he had traced him for
fear of it being a hoax, or whatever, and then
thanked him sincerely for helping.
I must get on now, I need to get this work
finished today if possible.
May 27th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
“Moore, however, DOES hold a good degree of vitriol for Jim.
Did you know that he tried o sue Jim 5 years ago?”
For what?
I’ve taken the first look.
If what I’ve seen on the Moorewatch site is
the reason Moore tried to sue JK 5 years ago,
I must say - I can’t blame Moore.
Looking at the moorewatch site makes me feel physically
sick, that anyone (and his ‘allies’) can spend their life
hurling vitriolic abusive insults at ONE PERSON just for
different views when people are suffering or dying, and
GOOD people have websites trying to DO something
to help, particularly when their wife, or husband, or child
has suffered?
Worse, moorewatch is run by a man who has a sick wife but
who cares so little about her that he would rather spend
his energy attacking someone who CARES about what happens
to people like his wife, rather than spend his energy, like many
other people do, by using his site to address the health care
problems that his wife would benefit from?
What exactly is so worrying to JK that ONE MAN who has never caused
his wife any problems becomes the object of his life’s work when he
could be using his knowledge of the internet to help his wife and
others like her?
Doesn’t make sense, until adding backing/funding/support from
more intelligent people than JK, using him, his weakness and his site,
by bribing/paying/persuading/influencing/posing as members… themselves
to silence people like Michael Moore who threaten public perception
of the status quo.
It could only happen in America.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:58 am
Wow, Will… have you got everything ass backwards.
First off, I said Jim has thanked Moore several times since
“it became public that MOORE WAS THE GIVER”.
Not since the gift became public, Will. Since the giver’s identity did,
which includes to Jim, himself.
Precisely how was he supposed to thank Moor