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Peter: The villain in this film is not your typical villain.  The first scene we see sets him up as a hard working guy that can’t get a break because of bureaucracy.  Was this written in the shadow of the Trump campaign?  

Amy: It was no.  What it comes out of is that it is a movie about Peter Parker living in Queens being on the periphery of Manhattan on the tourist, wanting to be an Avenger, wanting to be part of that world.  And having the villain come from the same background as him, so that they both have their own obsession with Tony Stark.

Kevin: And it’s funny, you’re also the first person to ask about that.  And I think it’s gonna come up a lot, not just in this film, but in a lot of our upcoming movies as well that people will assume that there’s commentary going on.  And I think that happens naturally.  I think it happened in the comic, all of these movies were shot before that.  And much like The Winter Soldier coinciding with Edward Snowden, even though we’d shot the movie before the Snowden, or at least written it before that even happened.  And so I do think that we’re into a lot.  I will tell you, I haven’t brought it up before, is we wanted a ground level villain.  We wanted a villain to parallel Peter’s journey of what’s it like to be a normal person in this world.  And an example that Amy used and it became a touch point and only sort of a cinephile as yourself and your readers would appreciate was a film by Akira Kurosawa called High Low.

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Peter: Oh that’s great.


Kevin: Which I hadn’t seen before.  And that we watched a number of times.  And other than just exposing me to a great movie I’d never seen, which I appreciated, it was a bit of a touch point for somebody who felt, and again, of course, it’s not an exact parallel.  But it was a great touch point of inspiration from Amy about somebody who looks up at a wealthy person almost in a tower every day in their life and feels the need to respond to that in a villainous way.


Amy: One more thing about the those ’80s movies, they have kind of fallen out of popular movies, they’re about socioeconomics.  And that they’re about the state of the world and all those movies. Some people have money, some people don’t have money.  And what it’s like to not have money when other people have money.  That is something that seems to have fallen out of a lot of these movies.  And that was something that was really important to us that the movie be about that too, because it’s the world that we live in.

Peter: Yeah.  I love that the high school looks like a modern day high school with many shades of colors of in diversity.  

Kevin: Yeah.

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(SPOILER WARNING: The following is a discussion of the film’s end credits scenes, please don’t read unless you’ve seen the movie.)

Peter: Kevin, every time I talk to you, I have to talk to you about an end credits sequence.  And the end credits sequence, well the last end credits sequence in this is the most hilarious I’ve ever seen in any of the Marvel Movies.  But I want to–

Amy: It’s the most, it is pretty hilarious, isn’t it?

Peter: Yes.  But the one with Vulture, I’m a little curious because I’m not quite sure if I’m picking up on what’s being hinted at there.  

Amy: What do you think it means?

Peter: I mean, it seems like Toomes doesn’t want to kill Peter Parker for some reason.  Is that because he’s hoping to get out and kill him himself or…

Amy: Does that seem like what his smile is saying?

Peter: I don’t know.  Or is it because he respects him for saving his life? I feel like it wasn’t as obvious as some of the other end credits sequences.

Kevin: Yeah, I think it is different from the other credits sequences.  And I think people are conditioned to look for a forward facing tease about what’s to come.  But that’s not always, maybe not even half the time, what our gags are about.  Certainly, the one at the very end of the movie is clearly not that.  But this was basically just meant to show that Toomes was not a horrible guy, had found himself in this position, and realized this kid saved his daughter, this kid saved his own life.  He wouldn’t even be alive if it wasn’t for this kid.  And in that moment where he had the opportunity to rat him out and have a guy go after him, he decides to keep the secret, because he appreciated ultimately what Peter did for him.  And he is one of the few villains to survive a movie.  And I think you appreciate it.

Peter: Yeah, I love that by the way.  I love that we didn’t kill off the villain and especially in high school.  It would have been weird I think.

Amy: Yeah.

Peter: Anyways, I think my time is up with you guys, so I wanna thank you very much.

Kevin: Great, good talking to you.  Thanks so much.

Amy: Bye Peter.

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