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		<title>By: ASS TO ASS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ASS TO ASS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ASS TO ASS</description>
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		<title>By: JarJarNot</title>
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		<dc:creator>JarJarNot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe he needed a few bucks to buy food with.... </description>
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		<title>By: Blackstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 06:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? Lucas screwing someone out of money? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaw. Can&#039;t be. I mean, that kind of thing doesn&#039;t happen in Hollywood, ever. Never happened. : </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? Lucas screwing someone out of money? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaw. Can&#039;t be. I mean, that kind of thing doesn&#039;t happen in Hollywood, ever. Never happened. :</p>
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		<title>By: BobaFett</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobaFett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 06:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually...(and I haven&#039;t read the post previous)...there is no such thing as gross PROFIT...Profit itself is a misleading term which should be known as NET. 
 
I can easily imagine RoTJ &quot;not making money&quot;.  ANH and ESB were probably not a problem, considering the effects used were quite different and less expensive than RoTJ.  In addition, the SE versions of such prints also suffered from the &quot;Sequel Effect&quot; causing the 2nd and 3rd movies to &quot;decrease&quot; the income from the previous.   
 
Instead of this model, I would like to see all of the movies grouped to see if the marketing costs together and the profit together is marginally different.  I argue that an advertisement forANH is in effect an advertisement for ESB and in effect for RoTJ (in the case of the SE).   
 
But also, other advertisements for ANH and ESB post 1983, also were affected by the marketing for RoTJ.   
 
In closing, I would suggest that David Prowse: 
 
1.  Get a better attorney. 
2.  Stop whining, as you wouldn&#039;t have had the legacy you have without SW. 
3.  Get a life. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually&#8230;(and I haven&#039;t read the post previous)&#8230;there is no such thing as gross PROFIT&#8230;Profit itself is a misleading term which should be known as NET. </p>
<p>I can easily imagine RoTJ &quot;not making money&quot;.  ANH and ESB were probably not a problem, considering the effects used were quite different and less expensive than RoTJ.  In addition, the SE versions of such prints also suffered from the &quot;Sequel Effect&quot; causing the 2nd and 3rd movies to &quot;decrease&quot; the income from the previous.   </p>
<p>Instead of this model, I would like to see all of the movies grouped to see if the marketing costs together and the profit together is marginally different.  I argue that an advertisement forANH is in effect an advertisement for ESB and in effect for RoTJ (in the case of the SE).   </p>
<p>But also, other advertisements for ANH and ESB post 1983, also were affected by the marketing for RoTJ.   </p>
<p>In closing, I would suggest that David Prowse: </p>
<p>1.  Get a better attorney.<br />
2.  Stop whining, as you wouldn&#039;t have had the legacy you have without SW.<br />
3.  Get a life.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 05:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the sort of thing that makes people give up on Hollywood&#039;s bullshit. I can&#039;t believe that the studio is even capable of stooping that low. In a world where Darth Vader can&#039;t even get royalties, why would anyone try and become a professional actor??? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the sort of thing that makes people give up on Hollywood&#039;s bullshit. I can&#039;t believe that the studio is even capable of stooping that low. In a world where Darth Vader can&#039;t even get royalties, why would anyone try and become a professional actor???</p>
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		<title>By: Greggory Basore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greggory Basore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t see why people have such a hard time believing that Return of the Jedi hasn&#039;t made a profit yet. I mean c&#039;mon folks the movie&#039;s only been around for a little over two decades. Is that really enough time for any movie to earn back it&#039;s budget? Especially a movie that was so obscure and unknown when it first hit theatres. It wasn&#039;t until it&#039;s re-release back in the 1990&#039;s that most of main stream america ever heard of Jedi or any of the other Star Wars movie and even then it was slow to catch on. 
 
It&#039;s rather naive to expect that the movie will turn a profit before it&#039;s 30th anniversary in 2013, and by then the world&#039;s supposed to have ended anyway. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#039;t see why people have such a hard time believing that Return of the Jedi hasn&#039;t made a profit yet. I mean c&#039;mon folks the movie&#039;s only been around for a little over two decades. Is that really enough time for any movie to earn back it&#039;s budget? Especially a movie that was so obscure and unknown when it first hit theatres. It wasn&#039;t until it&#039;s re-release back in the 1990&#039;s that most of main stream america ever heard of Jedi or any of the other Star Wars movie and even then it was slow to catch on. </p>
<p>It&#039;s rather naive to expect that the movie will turn a profit before it&#039;s 30th anniversary in 2013, and by then the world&#039;s supposed to have ended anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: J. J. Binks</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. J. Binks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How wude! </description>
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		<title>By: 790</title>
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		<dc:creator>790</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He prob needs the cash as I&#039;ve read he has prostate cancer.</description>
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		<title>By: etertainmenttod</title>
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		<dc:creator>etertainmenttod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I met Mr. Prowse at a convention in NYC about 14 years ago. He had a table and was signing autographs. Sadly very few people were stopping by his table. He really never received much fanfare for his service on those films. 
 
 
chuck </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I met Mr. Prowse at a convention in NYC about 14 years ago. He had a table and was signing autographs. Sadly very few people were stopping by his table. He really never received much fanfare for his service on those films. </p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hasnt David Prowse been diagnosed with Prostate Cancer recently as well? 
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/passtheremote/2009/03/darth-vader-actor-dave-prowse.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/passtheremote/...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Not trying to be sensationalist or anything, but if the guy wants the extra money to pay for medical costs, I&#039;d say he damned well deserves it soon. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hasnt David Prowse been diagnosed with Prostate Cancer recently as well? </p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/passtheremote/2009/03/darth-vader-actor-dave-prowse.html" target="_blank">http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/passtheremote/&#8230;</a> </p>
<p>Not trying to be sensationalist or anything, but if the guy wants the extra money to pay for medical costs, I&#039;d say he damned well deserves it soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Nan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to the excellent *longer* explanatory posts from Seth, Jeff Glass, Jamieson, and Phil Rice, I can only add: 
 
- Remember that it wasn&#039;t even &#039;standard&#039; for actors to get&#039; a piece of the back end&#039; (net profits) at all until the early &#039;80s, in part due to Lucas: overwhelmed himself by the success of the film, he gave a 1% net profit point out divided up among the cast, including Prowse.  That gift was an early, unexpected fortune for a bunch of young, struggling actors. It may seem like a paltry gift, but it was initially a lot of unbargained-for money, and you will never see any producer or studio do that again. 
 
- Since Lucas owns the film(s) outright, its not surprising that there are many financial items that get accounted-for before one would calculate any available &quot;net profits&quot;.  &quot;Star Wars&quot; money has been used to seed THX, ILM, (the  beginnings of) Pixar, etc., etc.   
 
- Not realizing his &#039;net points&#039; hardly leaves Prowse penniless from his weeks of work in the films from around 30 years ago - he still should get &#039;residual&#039; checks ensured by his membership in British Actor&#039;s Equity.  They are not huge but the video business on an old title - not to mention 3 - builds up pretty quickly over time.  He may even be owed checks from Warner Home Video for &quot;Clockwork Orange&quot;. 
 
Prowse has done incredibly fortunate by Lucas for his relative role in the films.  There really isn&#039;t any occasion for Lucas-bashing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to the excellent *longer* explanatory posts from Seth, Jeff Glass, Jamieson, and Phil Rice, I can only add: </p>
<p>- Remember that it wasn&#039;t even &#039;standard&#039; for actors to get&#039; a piece of the back end&#039; (net profits) at all until the early &#039;80s, in part due to Lucas: overwhelmed himself by the success of the film, he gave a 1% net profit point out divided up among the cast, including Prowse.  That gift was an early, unexpected fortune for a bunch of young, struggling actors. It may seem like a paltry gift, but it was initially a lot of unbargained-for money, and you will never see any producer or studio do that again. </p>
<p>- Since Lucas owns the film(s) outright, its not surprising that there are many financial items that get accounted-for before one would calculate any available &quot;net profits&quot;.  &quot;Star Wars&quot; money has been used to seed THX, ILM, (the  beginnings of) Pixar, etc., etc.   </p>
<p>- Not realizing his &#039;net points&#039; hardly leaves Prowse penniless from his weeks of work in the films from around 30 years ago &#8211; he still should get &#039;residual&#039; checks ensured by his membership in British Actor&#039;s Equity.  They are not huge but the video business on an old title &#8211; not to mention 3 &#8211; builds up pretty quickly over time.  He may even be owed checks from Warner Home Video for &quot;Clockwork Orange&quot;. </p>
<p>Prowse has done incredibly fortunate by Lucas for his relative role in the films.  There really isn&#039;t any occasion for Lucas-bashing.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding massively succesful blockbusters - ALIENS (1986) was another case, like this one involving David Prowse. 
 
It&#039;s my understanding that Sigourney Weaver and James Cameron sued 20TH Century Fox to receive their long overdue pay checks...back in the late 80&#039;s. 
 
The spin created by studios is disgraceful and purely money oriented, even lying with creative accounting - to the director and headlining star. 
 
Contemptable behaviour. Hope Dave Prowse stops taking this BS. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding massively succesful blockbusters &#8211; ALIENS (1986) was another case, like this one involving David Prowse. </p>
<p>It&#039;s my understanding that Sigourney Weaver and James Cameron sued 20TH Century Fox to receive their long overdue pay checks&#8230;back in the late 80&#039;s. </p>
<p>The spin created by studios is disgraceful and purely money oriented, even lying with creative accounting &#8211; to the director and headlining star. </p>
<p>Contemptable behaviour. Hope Dave Prowse stops taking this BS.</p>
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		<title>By: starvingartist</title>
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		<dc:creator>starvingartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply put, welcome to Hollywood. It&#039;s sad, but this is how the big boys play . </description>
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		<title>By: Gadget Sleuth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gadget Sleuth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, this is how most of the big movie business operates, and odds are, with all the little costs adding up, there (technically) may not be anything to pay him. Doesn&#039;t make it right, however. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, this is how most of the big movie business operates, and odds are, with all the little costs adding up, there (technically) may not be anything to pay him. Doesn&#039;t make it right, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s making plenty of money from other Lucasfilm-related work, guys. It&#039;s not like he&#039;s destitute. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#039;s making plenty of money from other Lucasfilm-related work, guys. It&#039;s not like he&#039;s destitute.</p>
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		<title>By: topler</title>
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		<dc:creator>topler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>funny! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funny!</p>
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		<title>By: topler</title>
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		<dc:creator>topler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ain&#039;t that the truth.  My 3 year old son didn&#039;t know Star Wars until the Clone Wars cartoon commercial this past summer.  Know between me, my family, Santa Claus and begging we have probably spent over $300 alone for Star Wars toys that are made like shit.  He loves them but the new Millennium Falcon is the biggest piece of crap toy ever made. At least Santa and his elves built it in his shop rather than us spending $150 bucks for it. Oh wait?  My son is hooked and he things the Stormtroopers and Anakin are good guys.  Lucas needs to go ))&lt;--&gt;(( with Chewbacca. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ain&#039;t that the truth.  My 3 year old son didn&#039;t know Star Wars until the Clone Wars cartoon commercial this past summer.  Know between me, my family, Santa Claus and begging we have probably spent over $300 alone for Star Wars toys that are made like shit.  He loves them but the new Millennium Falcon is the biggest piece of crap toy ever made. At least Santa and his elves built it in his shop rather than us spending $150 bucks for it. Oh wait?  My son is hooked and he things the Stormtroopers and Anakin are good guys.  Lucas needs to go ))&lt;&#8211;&gt;(( with Chewbacca.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TLDR. 
 
Abridge, windbag. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TLDR. </p>
<p>Abridge, windbag.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, just evil. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, just evil.</p>
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		<title>By: scwatman</title>
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		<dc:creator>scwatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW! A rational, enlightened and intelligent post.  
 
Come on Seth write &quot;Lucas smells of bums&quot; or something or you&#039;ll look out of place on here.   
 
In all seriousness I wish more people with intelligent things to say would contribute on blog comments sections. 
 
thank you. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW! A rational, enlightened and intelligent post.  </p>
<p>Come on Seth write &quot;Lucas smells of bums&quot; or something or you&#39;ll look out of place on here.   </p>
<p>In all seriousness I wish more people with intelligent things to say would contribute on blog comments sections. </p>
<p>thank you.</p>
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