Posted on Thursday, August 7th, 2014 by Russ Fischer
An Avengers Cross-Over
Clearly, there’s the potential for a cross-over of sorts between the Avengers and Guardians. Given that the Thanos storyline has been seeded in all Marvel films so far, there’s already a tie between the movies. Unless we see an Age of Ultron post-credits tag that features a Guardians character, chances are we’re not going to see this come to pass until at least the Guardians sequel. And even then we might not see much, per Gunn in the Wall Street Journal:
Gunn said he’s already working on the sequel. “I have a good idea,” he said. “Frankly, it’s more important that the story works by itself than by how it fits into ‘The Avengers.’” He has to keep certain things in mind to connect to the overriding story arc, but, “first and foremost, I’m concerned with the Marvel cosmic side of things and these characters.”
It’s more likely that Guardians 2 will further build towards a crossover with the real action taking place in The Avengers 3, which we expect to see in 2018.
James Gunn talked to Yahoo about the possibility of an Avengers crossover:
We talked about all sorts of possibilities [for a crossover] and I kind of know what the basic plan is. It could always change at any minute. That could or could not include a couple of Avengers and a couple of Guardians meeting up, or all of the Avengers and all of the Guardians. But, we do inhabit the same universe and they’re pretty big personalities that are likely to, at some point or another, run into each other.
The Avengers series director Joss Whedon previously stated at Comic Con,
Kevin [Feige] has a big plan and every now and then, he’ll tell me part of it if he thinks it’s going to affect what I’m doing or if he thinks what I’m doing is going to affect his. But as much as possible, I try to live in my own bubble. Guardians [of the Galaxy] is very much its own thing. They’re not the Guardians of this galaxy; it’s a different one. So, I can sort of keep them at arm’s length, long enough to do my thing and then I’m sure everything is gonna get mixed together because it’s Marvel.”
Shortly after that, Kevin Feige told IGN the following:
You know, the fun about The Avengers, as we we’re gearing up to that, was ‘how would Tony Stark deal with goody two-shoes Steve Rogers in World War II?'” Feige said when asked how The Avengers would get along with the Guardians. “What would Tony Stark think of a Norse god who wields a hammer? The brilliance of Joss [Whedon] was having fun with that. So who knows if and when these guys would ever connect, but it is fun thinking about, how would Steve Rogers react to Rocket? Or, you’re right, Drax couldn’t even have a conversation with Tony Stark! [Laughs] I have a theory that the more time Drax spends with Peter Quill, the more he’s going to start to learn, perhaps, that people aren’t always as literal as his species would assume.”
Further Adventures of the Guardians and Other Denizens of the Galaxy
Don’t forget that between now and the release of the film sequel, an animated series will continue the adventures of Star-Lord, Gamora, Rocket, Groot, and Drax. While that series probably won’t seed any specific story points that will be explored in the next film, there’s a good chance that alien races and characters explored in that series will point towards what Marvel and Gunn have in mind for the sequel.
Beyond that, Gunn has also said,
There are a lot of things that are part of the overall schematic that already exist, not to mention a lot of stuff about all of the cultures. There’s a lot of stuff about Xandarian and Kree culture that I’ve written down or I have in my head, as well as Krylorians and Ravagers.
And that leads to many more points to speculate upon. The Ravagers will likely be bound up into further exploration of Yondu’s story, and the conflict between Xandarian and Kree will make a good backdrop for further Guardians adventures.
The Kree seem like a wide-open field of possibility, and also an uncertain factor. They’re one of the biggest players in Marvel’s cosmic scene, and the origin point of the hero Captain Marvel, who has been a rumored addition to the MCU. The Kree are most famous for being aligned against another alien race, the Skrulls. But film rights to the Skrulls only partially belong Marvel, likely putting them off limits. One comics storyline has the Kree targeting Earth, and it’s not a stretch to think that machinations by Thanos could set up that sort of conflict for The Avengers 3 as a backdrop or smokescreen for bigger plans on Thanos’ end. That said, there’s little evidence at this point to indicate how the Kree will be used going forward.
When we talked to Gunn on set, he said,
I don’t feel too heavy about that kind of stuff. And we don’t even like—we have plenty of Kree people in the movie. But the only thing we delve into is a little bit with Ronan’s back story, which he tells us a little about in one scene. We don’t go deeply into, “Hey this is who the Kree are and this is what they do,” and all that. They’re just a part of the overall galactic landscape.
The Kylorians, however, are an interesting mention, which leads us to…
In comics, the Krylorians have a relatively small presence, tied to a character that has been the center of much speculation: the Hulk.
A Krylorian named Bereet essentially turned the Hulk into an action-movie star, by following him for a time on Earth and capturing footage of his actions. (This was later retconned to be a situation where Bereet had made a fictional film rather than a documentary.) Why? Here’s what the Marvel wiki has to say about Krylorians:
“Prosperity has made most of them complacent, and they tend to live passionless, unambitious lives. As such, they are obsessive about escapist fantasies provided by techno-art films.”
The aliens can also manipulate matter on a molecular level, and travel interstellar distances with ease. They’re super-powerful, in other words, and super-bored.
Gunn has emphatically said “there’s no Planet Hulk film,” referring to rumors of the Hulk ending up marooned on an alien planet. But what if Bereet is part of a post-credits tag in Age of Ultron, filming the Hulk, and that becomes part of a link to the Guardians? Or perhaps the Guardians themselves could end up being media celebrities thanks to Krylorian interest. For some hints about potential here, check out this piece of spoilerish Age of Ultron discussion.
The first Guardians film even establishes that Bereet could have been doing this already. How? She’s the woman on Quill’s ship at the beginning of the movie, the one he has forgotten about. She’s played by up-and-coming actress Melia Kreiling, and could easily end up in Guardians 2.
How meta does Marvel want to go in the future? At one point I would have said the “Bereet making movies” story would be far too unlikely. I still have a hard time thinking that’s what’s going to happen. But Marvel is getting to a point where I’d believe they could pull it off, perhaps even with shades of Peter Milligan and Michael Allred’s media-heavy X-Force/X-Statix stories pulled in. Peter Quill as a galactic movie star? Yeah, that could happen.
Or is Bereet just a red herring? The use of one named character and one race — each of which is really known just for one thing — is so specific that there’s reason to second-guess the intent.
What About the Collector?
The post-credits tag in Guardians reveals that the Collector is not dead, and that his collection isn’t even totally in shambles. Will he be back around? Given his interest in the Infinity Gems, it seems likely. In our on-set interview with Gunn, the director said,
The Collector’s very connected to the overall universe and what’s happening in the movie. But within this movie, he’s a supporting character. Man, Benicio’s the best. He’s great. He’s really creepy in the movie. He’s the most unique character in the film.
“I will say that is probably not the Collector’s only museum,” he said. “I think he probably has other spaces in which he keeps his incredibly vast selection. That’s just his Knowhere wing [in the movie].”
If nothing else, it seems nuts to cast Benicio del Toro just to use him for five or ten minutes. The Collector still has one of the Inifinity Gems, so far as we know, and so there’s every reason to think he’ll be back in the sequel. And he’s also conveniently in possession of a few other things that could be useful for the story. For instance…
Let’s Speculate About Adam Warlock
A strange fan-favorite character, Adam Warlock (mentioned above) is a being who, in comics pages, would occasionally store himself in cocoon form. One of those cocoons is seen in the Thor 2 stinger scene that introduces the Collector (above). James Gunn has said specifically that this is a Warlock cocoon.
Here’s his more impressive form when out of the cocoon:
Warlock has an Infinity Gem embedded in his forehead, which is a pretty useful thing. (It’s the Soul Gem, on the right below. And in fact, the first real appearance of an Infinity Gem in comics pages was Warlock’s.) There’s a lot of really fun, kooky backstory to the guy, as Jim Starlin wrote the early Warlock stories when fully enmeshed in his counter-culture period.
But the big Warlock stuff that could impact the MCU is his role in the Infinity Gauntlet storyline, during which Thanos finally gets all the Infinity Gems together to create an almost unbeatable source of power. Just before that story, Warlock is part of an anti-Thanos coalition that also includes the Avengers, Captain Marvel, and Moondragon. (Oh, look, those characters again.) And when Thanos really starts building the Infinity Gauntlet, Warlock is really his prime opposition.
Could Marvel create a film version of the Inifnity Gauntlet storyline that doesn’t involve Adam Warlock? Absolutely. But we’ve seen multiple teases of his existence, and at this point it’s a safe bit of speculation that Guardians 2 will see the cinematic birth of this very strange Marvel character, priming him to square off against Thanos at the end of Marvel’s Phase Three.