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Easily the biggest news to hit in recent weeks was the word that Sony has scrapped production on Spider-Man 4 and will reboot the character with a new film (and, presumably, an ensuing series) featuring a new cast and creative team. A general 2012 date has been mentioned, but no specific date has yet been set; expect the studio to stake a claim in May, and for any other films in that region to shift accordingly. Will Sony battle Marvel, which has The Avengers penned in for early May? You bet.

With such big news hitting early in the week, outlets are already crawling around looking for tidbits of info, and there are a few useful things to know about Spider-Man v2.0 that we didn’t cover in our first report.

First up, while I thought the facts were implicit in Sony’s press release, let’s be explicit: the new script by James Vanderbilt has already been written.

Variety notes that Sony “has long had” Vanderbilt’s script ready as a contingency plan. In other words, when he was hired to write Spider-Man 5 and 6, which were mentioned as possible reboot fodder, what he was really doing was writing this fresh start on the character. Given that Sony doesn’t want to do anything that will potentially see Spider-Man go back to Marvel, the studio was smart. (See a note about being ’smart’ at the end of this piece.)

According to EW, the idea was to have the reboot ready to go as soon as Spidey 4 was done. But when discussions about that film went nowhere, Vanderbilt’s new take was given priority. Now they’re ready to go with a script.

We don’t know much about what that script entails, other than it will feature a younger teenage Peter Parker. EW calls the script “gritty, contemporary” and references Batman Begins, seemingly not only in the sense that Christopher Nolan reinvented Batman on film, but in the sense of tone. Which would be a shame. Let’s have anything but a gritty Spider-Man, please. Anyone with a shred of understanding of the character knows that, while the stories can be heavy, ‘gritty’ isn’t what makes Spider-Man universally appealing.

There’s speculation already (as by Devin at CHUD) that this is a grab for some of the Twilight tween energy and fanbase. But I just see this as a cheaper, easier move. Sam Raimi directed three films, so is it easier to bring a new director into his world, or create a new world altogether? The latter, as Anne Thompson suggests, and I think she’s right. This will definitely be cheaper, as Sony has just shed a couple of names with big dollar signs attached. Spider-Man 3 cost almost $300m, and the fourth film could easily have gone that high. Now can the studio make this reboot for $200m or less? One would hope so.

Who directs this leaner, cheaper beast? More important, who has the right touch to follow Raimi, who is a director with both a real soul and a deep, practical background in making comic book-style movies? EW mentions a couple of names, saying that Marc Webb, director of (500) Days of Summer, has cropped up, but doesn’t say in what context. The mag also mentions Gary Ross, hired to write one of the last Spider-Man 4 drafts, and Michael Bay, who has expressed interest in the character. Those latter two seem unreasonable; I’d consider any of the three a surprise hire. (And, to echo Anne Thompson again, let’s hope it’s not McG.)

(Edited to add: One point I forgot is that Sam Raimi has indicated that he knows Spider-Man 3 wasn’t up to snuff. The primary reason I’ve seen to be interested in the scuttled fourth movie is that Raimi had a real creative incentive to make it a killer. Everyone wants to go out on a high note. If he’d been allowed to let that impluse free, we could have come out of this with two great films — 2 and 4. That Sony wasn’t interested implies — implies, mind you — volumes to me. No way of knowing; maybe Raimi’s ideas really weren’t good. But if they were, and Sony would rather go this route? Ouch.)

So: about being smart. From a couple of business perspectives, this is arguably a smart move. The film will be cheaper, and Sony can exert more control. Key talent will know that major names like Raimi and Tobey Maguire were let go, fostering the understanding that Sony’s take on the character is more valuable than anything else. That’s the bottom line. For Sony, that gets the movie made the way the studio wants.

But what made the first two films so much fun? What created the franchise momentum that allowed the relatively lousy third film to earn hundreds of millions? Not Sony’s keen business sense (OK, marketing the hell out of the series didn’t hurt) but Sam Raimi’s interest in and passion for the character. He knew what he wanted, and had good ideas about how to get it. He almost always kept the tone right. Raimi created scenes that will stand as indelible examples of the character. The subway sequence in Spider-Man 2 is a stone-cold classic. Spider-Man can thrive without Raimi and/or Maguire, but not if the approach is a calculating one. The character has always been about heart and impetuous, impulsive energy. Those are the things that Sony is poised to kill by making this into pure business.

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  • Quentin_sabbath
    I don't think Sony cares about the character. Do they read comic books over there? Do they even care about the work that Lee and Ditko started and what J.M. DeMatteis, Joe Kelly are currently doing? That's what's sad about Hollywood - a lot of Spirit/LOEG/Catwoman/Daredevil-esque movies that they haven't learned their lesson yet. Good thing Marvel's taking control of their other titles translated into film. Well, a business is a business and if Sony's doing a reboot so that Spiderman won't go back to the hands of Marvel, then best of luck. No one else is to blame if the movie flops anyways.
  • Popcorn
    Spider-Man won't work well as a "gritty" movie. Spider-Man never was gritty, it has always been light-hearted for the most part.
  • GoddamnedSpiderman
    I'd like to see Doc Ock played by Alan Rickman in case they can't get Alfred Molina again.
  • GoddamnedSpiderman
    I don't want to see Mary Jane breathing like an asthmatic or chew peter out and not let him speak when Peter confesses that he's Spiderman otherwise you got the crappy acting like that one actress from Adventureland. Also Mclovin should be Spiderman he's got the nerdyness down.
  • Deadpool runner
    Major fuck up by sony. I dont care if I hade 2 wait five more years I'd rather have the origianl cast back and if they fucking put Zac efron in thie piece I'mma murder the Dysney company for fucking up everyhting
  • Deadpool runner
    Major fuck up by sony. I dont care if I hade 2 wait five more years I'd rather have the origianl cast back and if they fucking put Zac efron in thie piece I'mma murder the Dysney company for fucking up everyhting
  • This sounds like the James Cameron script...
  • Spider-Ham
    Grim and gritty Spider-man?
    Just because it worked for Batman doesn't mean it works for all heroes.
    And another origin story? Seriously?

    My two favorite hero titles are Spider-man and Fantastic Four.

    Thanks Hollywood.
  • ColFud
    NOO!!!!!! Why? you can reboot, but dont turn this into a gritty business only movie. They should just make spiderman more spider like, bigger eyes, and skinier. And now use villians that were NOT used before. bam, new movie but dont make it gritty.
  • Andrew
    IF YOU LET MICHAEL BAY EVEN TOUCH SPIDER-MAN, THEN I REFUSE TO PAY TO SEE ANY MOVIES SONY MAKES IN THE FUTURE. GO TO HELL FOR EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT.

    Marc Webb sounds like a nice, quirky choice, though. And while I love Raimi, if he could see that 4 was just going to be 3 all over again, then I think it's best he moves on to World of Warcraft.
  • John
    Michael Bay as a possible director?? Oh for the love of god please let that be a joke, and one in poor taste at that.
  • I'd love a proper, teenage Spider-Man done in the tone of Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist. A hip, artful love letter to the streets of the Big Apple.
  • Spider-ham
    Somebody should kick you in the sack.
  • Giddi
    The third movie WAS good. They were all good. I'm still hoping this is not the end for Toby and Raimi... geez. I can just see it now ha ha Michael Bay directing a spiderman film - Spidey will look like Spidey 2099 with weird CGI coming from all his body and he will shoot little spiders that will do some hip hop and rap around while playing with toasters and acting like Gremlins.
  • I've got it! Taylor Lautner as a high school aged Spidey who purposely infects a group of his high school chums with spider powers in order to square off against a group of high school aged vampires led by Morbius. Catherine Hardwicke can direct and Michael Bay can produce. If that's not enough, they can throw in Beyonce as a younger, hipper version of Aunt May and Justin Timberlake as Uncle Ben. Just when the vampires have defeated Spidey and his gang, Uncle Ben rises from the dead as a machine gun toting zombie. Aunt May, standing in complete shock, shouts "Holla!" as she sees her late husband save her nephew and his gang.
  • ERoBB
    I think unlike Watchmen, Spider Man is a perfect fit for Zack Snyder. His slow down speed up action style would fit right into a web slinging superhero.

    I for one am more excited for this than Spider Man 4. Raimi is an overrated hack, and all three movies were bad and horribly miscast.
  • Daniel
    here. here.
  • Honestly I think this whole reboot is what's best for the series. It's time they took Spider-Man back to its basics, a high school superhero. This has been an element severely missing in previous movies, made out to only a few scenes in the first film.

    And honestly I don't think the gritty comment is all that big of a deal. I doubt they are going to vastly change Spider-Man to be what we think of as "gritty". As a previous commentator said Spider-Man's world is actually dark a lot of times. Peter's life is constantly sucking. There are rare moments when life is going good for him. His villains are fierce and relentlessness, and he's only a teenage boy fighting them all. Aunt may has come close to death many times, as has Pete himself. I think this is the type of gritty they are going with. Raimi's Spider-Man had some cheese in it, and I think this is what they are cutting away for the new film. Replace the cheese with wit coming from Spider-Man (which has always been a defining characteristic, often left out in the movies). It won't be all deaths and murder, dark lighting, etc like in Batman, there just won't be scenes like emo Peter, dancing Peter, "Go Go Gadget Web" lines like in the first one, or "Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head" scenes. Instead replace it with the real human emotion and drama that Pete has as a teenager with a great deal of responsibility.

    Skip the origin too, pick it up just as his junior year is starting, having gotten his powers at the end of the last school year allowing him to have had a whole summer to learn what he can do. Have this one just focus on his first encounters with super villains, instead of his first encounter with powers. That way it can still be an introduction to the character, but not a full origin. Leave any origin to either the title sequence or just mentioned briefly by Peter in a voice over quickly.
  • Spider-Ham
    Really?
    You think that's the choice Hollywood is going with? Gritty that stays true to the comic book, with just a little twist and creativity?

    Because I'm pretty sure some suit-tard looked at The Dark Knight's numbers and went, "Hey do it like that!"
  • MCP
    I agree...Nice to finally see an intelligent comment on this post.
  • Matt
    if at first you fail try, try again
  • Why are "gritty" and "contemporary" always synonymous? Are contemporary times somehow "grittier" than the past?
  • Alan Moore
    I have no idea.

    Grim and gritty has been out in comic books for a long time. They have moved on so far from the stubble, trenchcoats and shot guns of the 1990's that it's like an eternity ago.

    But if you look at what Hollywood is shoving out there right now (Constantine, Book of Eli & Legion and others) it's very reminiscent of comic books from the 90's (Spawn, Hellblazer, etc)
    It takes awhile for Hollywood to catch up.

    10 years from now they'll come around and find Astro City or Tom Strong.
  • reign
    Origin movies are lame, these comic mythologies only get good after many years. Yet Hollywood continues to restart them at a PAINFULLY slow rate. Gritty James Bond, Gritty Batman, they are not even gritty. Batman is just as gritty and PG-13 as it was in the first place, can't we move on to the good part of the story and stop recreating the boring parts? Doesn't everyone know who spider man is by now?
  • Daniel
    I understand this comment won't be that popular, but I've got to at least try to make a case...

    "gritty and contemporary" in the past few years has been a very good thing for series updates (the Bourne series being the originator), followed by the new Bond films, the new Batman films, the new Star Trek films, heck the new Mission Impossible.

    C'mon guys, most of us love this new trend, and I for one think Spider-Man could use a little Bournification. I know the character of Peter Parker isn't supposed to be "gritty" but he is supposed to be "real" which is actually why we all like "gritty" to begin with.

    The past couple of years have proven that action films are better this way, and I hope Hollywood keeps spending hundreds of millions making Bourne clones. It's far better than the alternative. We are all grateful, Mr. Paul Greengrass.
  • bigtones
    You have a good point, in some cases a "gritty, realistic" tone has made for some memorable films over the last decade. But Spider-Man was not one of them. The balance of seriousness and comic camp really worked for this character on the big screen. The very essence of a Hulk or Batman character calls for a more serious tone. This however, doesn't seem like a good fit. I just can't see Spider-Bourne being enjoyable, or at least better that its predecessors.
  • Daniel
    I realize why people loved the first 2 Spider-Man movies. I am one of the few that didn't like either, and for the same reasons you probably liked them. It's really a taste issue, when it comes down to it. I never connected with the characters in either film, and was never a fan of Tobey Maguire especially.

    Getting a real-life nerd to be an action star doesn't work as well as getting a real-life cool guy to be a nerd (District 9 for example).

    I'll probably get shelled for saying that because I "don't know the real Peter Parker" but I do know something about awkward kids trying to walk like cool kids (If they already could do it, they would have gotten beat up a lot less in High School).

    There you have it.
  • evilninjax
    I see your point, but I'd like to point out that IRON MAN wasn't gritty or dark. It was a fun comic book movie done by a comic book fan and it was great. While people may argue over which is "better" b/w IRON MAN and DARK KNIGHT, I'll say that I've already watched IRON MAN Bluray at least 5 times and enjoyed it each time while I've only watched DARK KNIGHT the once.

    For the same reason that I've watched HANGOVER 10+ times and watched AN EDUCATION only once.

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with well-done, fun, escapist movies... particularly for a COMIC BOOK-based film!
  • Daniel
    IRON MAN was decent, but I would sooner compare its style to the Dark Knight than any of the Spider-Man movies. The opening sequence, in particular was very gritty, and the acting was much more believable than Spider-Man's "here comes a one-liner!" style dialogue. Spider-Man feels like a play. Everything is dreamy, cute and buttoned up.

    Granted, IRON MAN is no Bourne. I won't disagree with that (in more ways than one). But it's action sequences feel more "gritty" than comic book, to me.
  • drytoad1
    Somebody hire Bruce Campbell to go to Sony and have a little " talk " to the suits................
  • JKW3000
    Agreed on "gritty Spider-Man" being a bad call. Kinda like emo Spider-Man. I may not have been the biggest fan of Raimi's take (and missing out on the teen years was a bad call in my view), but at least he nailed the tone right (given how good Spider-Man 2 was). The fact that even James Cameron, an awesome filmmaker, wanted to do the character in the wrong, John Connor vein proves how much Raimi did get it right.

    Everybody's chasing the Dark Knight. Now I'm eagerly waiting for the next big-budget superhero flop involving "dark" and "gritty" to get Hollywood off this fad. If it has to be this remake, so be it...which is saying something, since I've been a Spidey fan since I was 10.
  • bigtones
    So Sony thinks giving the new film the gritty "Dark Knight" treatment will equal success...this is gonna blow up in their face so badly. What's so wrong with giving the director (who has made you a buttload of money BTW) free rein on a project that he knows well? Dark-New Moon-Spider-Man is going to SUCK.
  • ezgoo
    Great right-up Russ, really great!!
  • papasanchez
    I'm gonna be controversial here. I thought I loved spiderman 1 and 2 but the more I think about it the more I realise that I was just delighted that spidey had even made it onto the big screen at all.

    I love Sam Raimi as a director but I wasnt totally won over by his versions and 3 really hit the final nail in the coffin for me, in regards of Raimi and spiderman. 1 and 2 were great but I was just wanting something better. Maybe I'm just s hardto please comic fan but that's just how I feel. Not here to offend anyone.

    I had to say this as it's been quite the revelation for me.
  • MarkoP
    I'm just hoping they don't pick someone ridiculous like Mitchell Musso as Spiderman.
  • alopecoid25
    John Woo directs Vin Diesel as Spiderman gliding out of an exploding building in slow motion followed by a flock of doves.
  • Dangeresquetoo
    Aaron Johnson is your new Spiderman.
  • DorienG
    Well I guess I'm not gonna be excited for spiderman anymore...I mean, I don't wanna see another movie on a whiney high school kid with a gritty and contemporary tone that just happens to turn into a superhero.
  • YoungZer0
    Seriously this needed to happen. I didn't expect it to be this soon, but the comics show that this is an important step. One which only works with a new and fresh team.

    The problem with the Spider-Man movies were that they weren't up to date. It was the silver age. Silver Age Spider-Man is old. No body likes Sandman or Doc Ock. Spider-Man was always interesting because it WAS up to date. Because you - as a young fella - could identify yourself with Peter. The Spider-man i know and love from the comics is not the same spider-man i saw in the movies. He wasn't smart, he wasn't cool, he didn't even have smart-ass lines. He was just some boring nerd. Peter is a nerd, but not boring.

    They did a fresh start in the comics and it's awesome. I mean he isn't married anymore, he uses Chuck Norris jokes, teaches aunt may how to twitter and stuff. This is new, this is up to date.
  • evilninjax
    1 Thing that would be really nice and refreshing is if they get some relative unknowns as Peter, MJ, etc. I'm worried that they will go for more established names (or maybe Jake Gyllenhall heh).
  • Roger Flores
    I was about 8 when Spider-Man came out, and after I saw that movie I was amazed. I loved the first two film, pure genius, Raimi did a great job with the franchise, and we all know it sure as hell made alot of money. But.. After the huge let down caused by the third, many fans were optimistic about any sequel even coming close to the height of the first two. Just think, by rebooting this series, we are given a new outlook of Peter Parker, and possibly an even better than the original look. New story, and possibly some justice to iconic villains such as Venom and the Goblins. I was a fan of James Cameron's Spider-man because it felt more realistic rather than a comic, and I know Spider-man isn't Batman but we all know that Spider-man could use a bit of a makeover, an iconic character like him deserves justice. Let's hope The Amazing Spider-Man can make a comeback!
  • Yazzhole
    Honestly, I'd love to see Tim Tebow as Spidey.

    And Morgan Freeman as his uncle.
  • evilninjax
    I have a question about the term "Reboot." Does a reboot mean that the origin story is going to be reworked? If that's so, then I'm not at all interested in another Spiderman origin movie.

    If it just means making another movie in the franchise with different actors and director, then i'll have to wait and see.

    While I liked Tobey ok as Peter, i HATED HATED HATED Kirsten Dunst which ruined alot of the movies for me (i kept hoping they were doing the Death of Gwen Stacy with Dunst in Spidey1).

  • sideshowRaheem
    Reboot means the origin story is going to be retold with new a new director and cast. Best case scenario think Batman Begins or Casino Royal case scenario think the last Punisher movie.
  • sideshowRaheem
    It's funny how people are so ready to hate this. Of course I'm not hyped about that Michael Bay name but screenwriter James Vanderbilt is pretty good he wrote The Rundown and adapted Zodiac so he seems to have the proper skill set to get something like this right.

    And for the record when was the last time Hollywood did a reboot of a comic franchise that didn't work out well. I guess you could say Superman Returns was a failure but that's really more of a sequel then a reboot. Maybe the best example was The Punisher but if we're being honest none of those movies were good. Prequels and squeals have rocky track record as far as comic films go but reboots not so much.....just sayin.
  • Pentarix
    I hated the Spider-Man series, so a reboot is welcome, but not if it's just placating to the Twitlight crowd.
  • Here's exactly what happened when Raimi met with the head of Sony, a retarded monkey:

    Sam Raimi: "Well, I’ve confirmed Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst for Spider-Man 4, and I’ve secured John Malkovich to play The Vulture, so it looks like I might be able to atone for the last one and make another great movie!"

    Retarded Monkey: "OO! OO! OO!"

    Sam Raimi: "Quite. The only thing is, I won’t have it ready for next summer like you wanted. It’ll take another year to do it properly because these things take time."

    Retarded Monkey: "AA! AA!"

    Sam Raimi: "Indeed. Well we rushed Spider-Man 3, and you made me cram too many villains in, and look what happened there."

    Retarded Monkey squeezes out a huge poo on the desk.

    Sam Raimi: "I’m sorry you feel that way, but what with my excellent track record as an innovative director capable of handling massive action sequences and nuanced emotional drama who’s made 2.5 billion dollars for this studio, I think you’ll agree I know what I’m doing."

    Retarded Monkey flings some of the poo at the wall.

    Retarded Monkey: "EEK! EEK! OO! OO! AA!"

    Sam Raimi: "What? You want to get rid of me and all the actors and start the franchise again with a completely different bunch of people and call it a reboot and put it out only five years after the last film and the script’s already written and it’s 'gritty' even though the comic was all about fun and bright colours and people don’t want a 'gritty' Spider-Man when they’ve got Batman, Bond and Potter all mooching about in huge piles of grit and could I close the door on the way out? Are you some kind of retarded monkey?"

    Retarded Monkey eats the rest of the poo.

    Sam Raimi: "Right you are. Good luck with that. I’m sure the audience can’t wait to see Zac Efron as Peter Parker and sit through another origin story."

    Retarded Monkey: "OO! OO! Do you have McG’s phone number?"

    Sam Raimi leaves to make billions of dollars for another studio.
  • get Leo to play Spiderman - Profit
  • skepticwheel
    Great! Another comic book merry go round! Thanks execs for screwing the fans. Seriously, was S4 really gonnna be bad?I think Raimi learned alot about the cheese he did on S3 and it showed on Drag Me To Hell.Vulture would have been cool along Dr.Connors and all.How many diff Spiderman cartoons are there?There is a reason there are that many.
  • Assuming he ever does, I can't wait to hear Sam Raimi's speak about this.
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