Is the Hollywood Movie Star Dead?

Land of the Lost

A Reuters piece that’s been making the rounds this weekend speculates that Hollywood may be thinking twice about banking on A-list celebrities in the future. The piece points to recent low-budget and star-free fare like The Hangover, District 9, and Paranormal Activity that each went on to be wildly successful, and contrasts them with big-budget, star-studded flops like A Christmas Carol, Land of the Lost, and Funny People. The overall lesson seems to be that star-power doesn’t have nearly the draw that it used to, and that budgets aren’t much of a factor for audiences either.

But of course, I don’t really think this is news to most of us. While some may bemoan the tastes of general audiences when they overwhelmingly support movies like Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, I don’t think they did so for hunky Shia LaBeouf. Instead, they were probably looking to revisit the magic from the first film–which, let’s face it, was far better than it had any right to be. (Or the simpler answer, they just wanted to see things blow up.)

In any case, it was the quality of the concept of Transformers 2 (magic revisited and/or ‘splosions) that most likely led audiences showing up in droves, and not stars. You could apply a similar logic to The Hangover and its ilk mentioned above. I’d like to believe that audiences are smarter than we give them credit for—or at the very least, most can tell when studios are pushing crap on them. And sometimes they completely surprise us, just look at how well Inglourious Basterds performed.

Pronouncements of the movie star disappearing are nothing new—it’s simply something that always tends to come up after a wave of high-profile flops. I think there will always be room for stars, the lesson we need to learn is how to use them.  As the Reuters piece mentions, studios are looking to scale back on large up front salaries for big stars, and instead asking them to bank on potentially greater rewards if the film breaks even. And if some stars want to remain big-salary hogs who care more about a paycheck than their work, then perhaps it is time for them to step down.

Ultimately, the success of these lower budget features is a good thing for cinema. It makes studios less uneasy about moving forward with low budget features, and opens the doors for innovative new projects down the line. And after all, releasing several smaller features instead of relying on returns from a few big-budget films is a much safer bet for them as well.

Discuss: Do you think studios are wise to start relying less on big-name stars to make films successful? Are we losing some of the “magic” of Hollywood? And what do you think about the success of lower budget films in the past few years?

  • Austin
    To me the ONLY actor who I would give 100 million dollars to and say " lets go make a huge movie " would be Will Smith... everyone loves him. including me. He truly has the greatest audience in the world, like I said... people just love him.

    If you look at District 9, Hangover and PA... they have one thing in common, GOOD STORIES. SO pay attention Hollywood
  • richard
    agreed. one of my favorite movies this year has been 500 days of summer. the two stars, zooey deschnell(spelled wrong i know) and joseph gordon levitt arent giant movie stars but they are still fairly well known. it wasnt entirely their acting that made that movie but the story and how it was set up and the way people connected to it. granted their chemistry and acting made the movie a billion times better. i could not see that movie working as well as it did if it were two other actors
  • The Great Cambino
    I absolutely agree. Will Smith is one of the last truly bankable stars.
  • Bruce
    'Christmas Carol' a FLOP?! What the heck is the writer on? Maybe you should make your 'educated guesses' after Thanksgiving genius. This movie is going to rake it in over the holidays. You're SO funny Divendri lol
  • Nicholas
    First of all you spelled his name wrong, but I think you know that. Secondly the "A Christmas Carol" example came from the Reuters piece he referenced, so you should re-direct your sarcasm.
  • Kyle_NJ
    Are any of the actors/actresses in Funny People, Land Of The Lost or A Christmas Carol really "A-list stars?" When people say "A-list" I think Brad Pitt, Will Smith, Forest Whittiker(sic), Denzel Washington, Tom Hawks, George Clooney, Edward Norton, etc. Not Will Ferrel, Jim Carrey, Adam Sandler, and Seth Rogen (even though I love their work). The closest person to being an A-Lister in the aforementioned films is MAYBE Eric Bana but that's a stretch.

    Recognition =/= A-List
  • jethrostoltz
    Forest Whittaker's never opened a movie in his life. Neither has Eric Bana. Denzel has never had a $100 million domestic grosser by himself. Neither has Ed Norton. And George Clooney really only has the Ocean's movies and The Perfect Storm, which really was more of the "storm" anyway. On the other hand, although Ferrell has been uneven, he's had more hits than most of the aforementioned stars, and almost all of Sandler's movies since The Waterboy have made over $100 million. And concerning Jim Carrey, although he has also been uneven this decade, Bruce Almighty made over $400 million worldwide, and I can't really think of any other actor whose starred in 3 $100 million grossing movies in one year (Ace Ventura, The Mask, and DUmb and Dumber in '94), I know Will Smith hasn't. So, if that's not a star than I don't know what is.
  • RainMan
    Ace Ventura didn't make $100 million.
  • jethrostoltz
    When you factor in worldwide, yes it did. And if you adjust just it's domestic cume for inflation, that did too.
  • Frederik
    Rainman you certainly aren't.
  • Jim
    Jim Carrey= A-list
    Forest Whittiker(sic), Denzel Washington, Edward Norton= not A-list
  • existenz
    I think Denzel is A-list (he headlines many movies). But his films haven't opened to gangbuster box office. Look at "Taking of Pelham 123". It was a huge BOMB and Denzel had to take a paycut on his next film.
  • iec
    Did you seriously just ask if Adam Sandler and Will Farrel were A-list? What movies have you been watching? A-list doesn't have anything to do with the quality of movies they've been in. It has to do with how audiences receive them. People will always see Adam Sandler films, even if they're terrible, because it's Adam Sandler.
  • debunker
    I agree, maybe not entirely with your list of 'a' list starts (Tom Hawks? I presume you mean Hanks), but the point is Sandler is not really 'A' list, and Frickin Will Ferrell definitely is not 'A' list, extremely LUCKY, yes.. but NOT 'A' List...
    Carrey may be the closest, because he is more than 1 demension and really A Lister is subjective.. do they mean money wise, or talent wise? At the very least Sandler and Carrey can pull off serious roles.. Ferrell is just an idiot, seriously. At least that is ALL he does, he plays a buffoon to a 'tee', but that does not make you 'A' list, or Jonah Hill is also 'A' lister.. and if people agree to that then the world is just a sad place.
    I would say Tom Hanks is defintely A list, same with Brad Pitt, Ian McKellan (especially after watching The Prisoner last night on AMC) dunno about Norton.. maybe ( cringe) Angelina Jolie, Meryl Streep.. etc... But again I go by range of talent.. as for the $ 'A' list, well as we know, people are fickle..especially when their money is on the line.. which means people pick and choose.. I think people want originality, for a change, for their buck.. I mean Land of the Lost? Ferrel being a dumba$$...seen it.. Christmas Carol? Animated motion capture, AND Carrey being wacky.. seen em both.... Funny People... Seen 40 yr old virgin, which, in terms of comedy, may be the best Apatow film of all of his... So I think people are getting fed up with more of the same.. I like Actors who can work outside of their envelope... a bad guy, being a good guy.. a serious actor playing the fool... I mean seeing an Apatow film is like watching bits and pieces of his eariler work at this point...The transformers 2 movie, which Im sure someone will throw in my face are giant robots fighting, which gets kids in the theaters.. Most kids moves grabs huge somes of money, cause most parents buy a ticket too to watch with their kids so they usually make more moeny than most.... just my two cents worth...
  • Theres only one qualified Hollywoodstar at the moment and this is Will Smith, worth every penny. But there are a lot of actors out there who i like and so i like movies with them often much better. But stars like in the past are really rare.
  • Starchild
    Whats with all the Will Smith sucks ups around here. True, Smith does pull in the box office dollars. But talent wise, he plays too many of the: good guy [7 lbs], loose cannon guy [Bad Boys], cool action hero guy [MIB, etc].

    The only movie Smith was great in was Ali. He showed range and versatility. He needs to mix it up more. Play a bad guy or do something like a documentary, or something that doesnt involve inflating his ego furthermore or a guest spot on Oprah talking about how fabulous his kids and life is now.

    Then again, he is connected to Scientology.

    Denzel, Norton, and Forest are A-List because they dont always do the studio films. They challenge themselves with new and different projects for the most part.
  • jethrostoltz
    You're only an A-List star if you can open a movie. I guess those guys are A-List actors, but that's not what this shit's about. Although it should be. And in that case, Whittaker is definitely an A-List director, I mean HOPE FLOATS, c'mon, fuck yes.
  • iec
    That's not what A-list means!

    "The list was created by veteran entertainment journalist James Ulmer, who developed a 100-point method to quantify a star's value to a film production, in terms of getting a movie financed and the cameras rolling. The Ulmer Scale also takes into account an actor's history (box office successes vs. failures), versatility, professional demeanor, and ability and willingness to travel and promote movies."
  • iec
    People on the A-list:
    * Will Smith
    * Johnny Depp
    * Brad Pitt
    * Tom Hanks
    * George Clooney
    * Will Ferrell
    * Reese Witherspoon
    * Nicolas Cage
    * Leonardo DiCaprio
    * Russell Crowe
    * Angelina Jolie
    * Bruce Willis
    * Halle Berry
    * Harrison Ford
    * Keanu Reeves[2]
    * Jim Carrey
    * John Travolta
    * Jude Law
    * Julia Roberts
    * Mel Gibson
    * Nicole Kidman
    * Renée Zellweger
    * Robert Downey, Jr.
    * Robin Williams
    * Tom Cruise[3]
  • existenz
    That list seems a bit outdated to me. Renee Zellweger can't open a movie that not "Bridget Jones Diary" and Halle Berry doesn't bring in the box office either.

    It is interesting that so many guys on that list are so old. Are any of them under 40, other than DiCaprio? Even Will Smith is 41. Seems like Hollywood needs to find some new young stars. Robert Pattinson perhaps?
  • Guest
    so what he plays the good guy if the role he get offered to play a good guy of course he will play the good guy. so what he likes to mention his kids on Oprah his a proud.
  • This could be inaccurate, ever heard of Robert Pattinson? Jim Carrey? Nic Cage? Sandra Bullock? Christian Bale? Their movies pulled in a lot of money this year (and in Robert Pattinson's case, WILL, it's already selling out advanced ticket sales), all it is all because they are attached to their respected movies. Paranormal Activity and 2012 are exceptions, Paranormal Activity was spread by word of mouth because it was one of those "movies you have to see", and 2012 is the same way because of its special effects.

    But it is a nice study...maybe this theory will be true in a few years? Maybe it will make more independent films hit the mainstream, and that will be VERY NICE.
  • Travis McGee
    Don't even try to bring Robert Pattinson into this. He is a horrible actor. You could put anyone into that role (which, like Chris Reeve, will be his only claim to fame) and that film would gross over $400 million worldwide.
    That film/franchise only succeeds because of the books that teen girls and moms who wish they were teen girls love so much. The books are horrible too. I tried to read the first one, got about 100 pages in and put it down. Not only are these books written for teenage girls, but I feel that they are written BY a teenage girl.
  • but some would argue that Pattinson is "A-list" because he HAS brought in alot of money at the box office and he generates lots of celebrity gossip much moreso than other actors.

    A-list doesn't always mean talented. Sometimes A-list indicates how famous or well-known you are (or how much money you bring in at the box office)
  • iec
    Pattinson hasn't brought in any money. The book has. That's like saying Daniel Radcliff brought in money for Harry Potter. Twilight has such an insane fandom that it really doesn't matter who plays the role.
  • Excellent discussion. I like your analysis and I agree. My hope is, however, that atros not 'die'. I liked going to the cinema to watch the new movie from Paul Newman, for example. Also I like to go watch the new movie from Christian Bale, the Robert De Niro, Sean Penn, Kate Winstle, actors who are known to pursue their own perosnagens and help tell a good story. The stars will not die (in the sense of good actors) because the best story and can not be told by 'a good celebrity', just for a good actor / actress. I think I have that person (dieretores also) help us choose a good movie. Not when they hit, but overall the actors and I have quoted serve to me as a reference to a film that 'it may be worth seeing'. The opposite is true: no one makes me pay to watch Renée Zellweger.

    Note: I used the google translator. I hope you have been understanding.

    Bye.
  • Frederik
    Christian Bale is still not a household name. His work is far too niche and people who aren't familiar with Batman probably don't know who he is. Hell, even my mom knows who Will Smith is. Anyone could've been in Twilight. It's success is based off it's themes about love etc., not by Pattinson himself. Nic Cage? Knowing, Ghost Rider, Bangkok Dangerous and so on. None of those made great money, and like CB, he's only know to a small audience of film geeks.
  • nolacuse
    I mostly agree with you, but do you honestly believe Nic Cage is only "know to a small audience of film geeks"? That's pushing it. Maybe he isn't quite A-list, but he is a big name and most people know who he is. The National Treasure movies made a lot of money and I don't think it was film geeks going to see them.
  • grb
    Bale is as close to Alist as an anti-publicity actor like him could ever get. The Dark Knight was beyond massive and even if Ledger was the name thrown around the most during publicity, it is kind of hard to not halfway know who the actor is who played Bruce Wayne/Batman.
  • Hi Frederik

    Agree. Unfortunately CB is a name best known as love movies than the crowd. This question is probably for all the good and great actors. Sean Penn become a com that too, but frankly, that time was really different? The best actors have always been subject to a small audience (I can not explain why, but it is so since the invention of cinema). There has always been the "Robert Pattinson" that attract the crowds to be 'celebrity', not because it is a good actor. I think we always think before was "better" or was "different." I saw a recent nostalgic saying that the film had no "Clark Gable", "Alan Delon" Brigitte Bardot ".... Please, these actors (with all due respect) to attract the crowds and despite being far better than Robert Pattinson (of course !!!!) were not on the level of Anne Bancroft, for example. I'm pretty sure that 98% of people do not know who she was. The other 2% are able to quote movies. Patience. Every age has its actors "blockbuster" movies that eventually were "out of the loop" and players say "more selective" that eventually were blockbusters.

    Translation: google. I hope my opinion has been comprehensive.

    I really enjoyed the discussion raised and the views expressed, most were very Senst. Good to know that there is intelligent life behind the 'screen'.
  • A Christmas Carol: This was a "flop" because it was released WAY too early and a week before 2012!

    Land of the Lost: This was a flop because of horrible writing. Also, people are getting tired of Will Ferrell's old shtick.

    Funny People: This flopped because all of Apatow's "loyal" following jumped ship when this movies has a more dramatic tone and not the same sex jokes and such.
  • It can not be said yet that "A Christmas Carol" is a flop. If you look at the numbers it made more money then "Polar Express" did on it's opening weekend. The studio is looking to make it's money in the long hall like "Polar Express" which opened at only 23 million but went on to make over 160 million domestically over the entire holiday season.
  • Joe
    Christmas Carol only had a 26% drop in its second weekend at the box office, which bodes well for its theatrical future. Polar Express managed its 160m over at LEAST eight, if not ten weeks, and CC has a major advantage with its increased 3-D grosses.
  • Nickssfsn
    I don't think it's fair to say some movies do better without big name stars than others with them.

    I think it really depends on the actor (Inglourious Basterds still had Brad Pitt and he was the "main draw" other than it being a Tarantino film. But you can't even say people wanted to see a Tarantino film since Grindhouse did so horribly).
    If the actor has clout, if the actor hasn't been involved in some sort of bizarre scandal, the movie might do ok.

    But what it really comes down to is whether the big name actor fits the movie and the tone of the movie.

    Jim Carrey is still a big bankable star, he did Yes Man which by all accounts was mediocre, but it still did well because it fit the tone people want to see him in. He flopped in A Christmas Carol and The Number 23 because they were both too bizarre in their own way (The Number 23 also being a shite movie didn't help). I personally wish he'd take more Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind risks, but I hear I Love You Phillip Morris is good and am looking forward to that.

    Will Smith has been mentioned, but really people when was the last time he did a legitimately good movie? Seven Pounds was reportedly shit, Hancock was supposedly shit, I Am Legend was ok, but could have been better, The Pursuit of Happyness was ok, but wasn't true to the actual man apparently.

    And then look at Tom Cruise, still a "big star." But riddled with bad press. Then again, he also hasn't really been doing "that" much, so maybe he just needs to pick more varied roles. Then again, look at all the accolades he got for Tropic Thunder - not his movie, true, but accolades none-the-less.

    And it's not even that the "big stars" aren't willing to do smaller-artier films. I Love You Phillip Morris is an example of Jim Carrey doing something more interesting - Yes Man was his commercial, I want to rake in some dough, thing (and A Christmas Carol continuing his Christmas fetish).
  • iec
    The author didn't make it as black and white as this. He's just saying that studios should consider that it's the script that makes the film, not the actors.
  • jethrostoltz
    Also, stars aren't a guarantee anymore because a star's name on a movie used to guarantee that it was at least "solid", like back in the Golden Age of Hollywood. Other than maybe John Wayne, who any jackass would see in anything, people used to always flock to star vehicles because they didn't think people like Cary Grant or even all the way up to Jack Nicholson would appear in a movie that totally sucked. There was trust in the star stamp of quality, not even really the stars themselves. However, today their name on a movie doesn't mean shit about quality. And moviegoers have learned that.
  • Nickssfsn
    I don't think it's fair to compare the "Golden Age" to now, considering even in the 70's "good" movie stars still made the occasional stinker or two.

    If you want to think about this in a time standpoint, you really need to point out that 20 years ago, people didn't have as much choice as they do now. They were forced to watch movies and TV, and before that, there wasn't even a lot of TV to be watched.

    I think in this day and age, they don't necessarily distrust the big name draw, I think consumers are just more exposed to a lot of different entertainment, at a wide variety of differing budgets, so they have more taste.

    But then again, Two and a Half Men is the highest-rated sitcom, so I think we really need to look at this from a regional stand-point too.

    And if the economy has anything to do with it.
  • jethrostoltz
    I would venture to say that the vast increase in options pertaining to how the public gets their cinema has not stopped certain movies from being hits, but has stopped certain movies from being bigger hits.
  • I don't think so, if the stars are hungry, they made more good movies but we need in the future stars too.
  • tek
    Movie stars are a dying breed. CGI seems to be the a listers now
  • Nickssfsn
    TDK didn't have much CGI.
  • Octoberist
    well, I wanna say Michael Bay will be a dying breed of mainstream filmmakers. I think certain directors - or at least the younger/innovative ones, are trying to be old school and only use CGI when deemed necessary.

    This includes Christopher Nolan, Duncan Jones, Neill Blookamp.
  • Dr_Handsome
    Logically you can't count on a terrible movie to do well *just* because it features big name actors but I don't think that means the 'movie star is dead'. Any number of things (positive buzz, recognizable franchises, an solid trailer) contribute to how well a movie does and I think a solid star only adds to that likelihood of success.

    Perhaps we might be seeing more small budget fares... just not at the cost of the new Captain America movie.
  • Octoberist
    A good example of this is the casting of Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern.

    At first, I was 'okay' with it. I just thought that Reynollds, as likable as he is, missed the boat of being an even bigger star during his post-Blade Trinity days. But he found success with rom coms, and he actually gained a huge female base. That, and let's face it, he's a good looking guy.

    Now I'm actually happy that Ryan got cast, because it'll attract the female audience he has built throughout the years to GL, while the Geeks has their say via $$ when the movie hits.

    My point being is the Hollywood movie star isn't dead. Names will draw if the actor plays his/her cards right.
  • Travis McGee
    Bradley Cooper will be a big star by the time GL makes it's way to the big screen. He would have been a much better choice for Hal Jordan's Green Lantern character.
    If you take Bradley Coopers character from The Hangover and add a green power ring, that's classic Hal Jordan.
  • Nickssfsn
    Also if you think about it, people have many more avenues to find out whether a movie is good or not in a faster way through the internet (more reviews beforehand, friend reactions in real-time like twitter/facebook). That could explain why the smaller movies are doing well, while the bigger movies are hurting.

    You also have to think about the marketing - a smaller budgeted movie that isn't a recognizable property might fight harder to get interest by having water-cooler-talk-provoking marketing campaigns.

    Also, not to pop our collars too much, think about which movies are generating the interest amongst the "geeks" and how well they're performing at the box office. The interest doesn't even have to be good!
  • Octoberist
    I agree with 'Nickssfsn'.

    If they get a 'name' actor, he/she has to fit within the context of the story/film. Just don't get someone just because he/she is the latest craze.

    I think a good example of this was the casting of Jessica Alba in the Fantastic Four movies. Yeah, I know..they're not the most beloved movies, but let's move on: Jessica did her best with what she had, but she didn't really fit the role at all.
  • abbi roy
    Omg! I didn't know he had passed! When did he died? My favorite movie would be Ben-Hur!
    http://ezinearticles.com/?Pro-Acai-Max-Review--...
  • inteliboy
    No, the A-list "star" isn't dead.

    Far from it. A studio isn't going to put up an expensive high-concept film without the promise a star will play the lead... and honestly, most people won't bother seeing said film unless there is a recognisable face or two in the trailer/poster.

    Sub-consciously, you'd be suprised how even us so called "film geeks" act this way when picking a film to see. Obviously there are exceptions, especially outside of hollywood films (you know, the rest of the world), but hey that's not what the article is about.


    ps. Land of the Lost was a terrrrible film.
  • Fellini
    A Christmas Carol has not flopped yet. It runs for only one week.... I don't think that Animation Movies have to gain their budget within the first weekend. Furthermore kids are going to see it with their parents during the Xmas holidays. At least in Europe...
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