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UPDATE: One of the quotes I used has been pulled out of the article by Variety; I’ve noted it below.

The following is something Dreamworks head Jeffrey Katzenberg may or may not have said in his 3D Summit keynote (I don’t have a full transcript): 3D helps filmmakers tell better stories. But this is what Katzenberg did say: we know people will pay even more for this, and you’re not charging enough for 3D. Still have any illusions that the push toward 3D has any goal other than making money for studios?

Granted, Katzenberg is an exec. It’s his job to make money, and his job to drum up support for plans that will put coin in his coffers. So a statement like this isn’t too surprising:

The consumer has shown now time and time again not just a willingness but an aggressive ambition to trade up for a premium experience. There’s been zero price resistance, in the worst economy in our lifetime. And as the economy changes and improves, that’s only going to continue to grow….The research we’ve done everywhere in the world said the consumer said they got a valuable experience at a $5 premium. And nobody has done a $5 premium.

EDIT: Only the first line of that quote above now appears in the original Variety source article. Did he not actually say the rest of that quote, which I originally pulled from the article and is also quoted here, or are they simply no longer reporting those statements?

Translation: 3D tickets should be $15. Or more, if you already live in a high-priced market. According to Katzenberg’s math, seeing a film in 3D on Friday night at Lincoln Center should cost $17.50. Variety (which sponsored this year’s 3D Entertainment Summit) also quotes Katzenberg insisting that more movies be made in 3D. Again, his argument is all based on the bottom line:

In a business where margins are sinking like a stone in water, suddenly something comes along that for a small incremental investment you create huge incremental income possibilities for you. Why every studio isn’t out making three, four, five 3D movies is inexplicable.

There are a few sides to this argument. If, as Katzenberg asserts, 3D can truly help people rediscover the theatre-going experience, then we might all win. Because audiences will likely come for 3D and also patronize more flat films. And more revenue to theatres could help create a better public movie experience for everyone. If that’s 3D’s role, great. I can accept that.

But given his own leanings, Katzenberg’s insistence that 3D isn’t a gimmick rings hollow to me. In a separate interview with Variety, he talks about exit polling after Monsters vs. Aliens (the film, remember, that may generate a non-3D TV show, but didn’t do well enough to warrant a sequel) and says “88% of people who saw the movie in 3D and paid a premium for the experience said they enjoyed the experience and it was better than they thought it was going to be.” The obvious follow-up question there is: did the people think it was going to truly suck going in? “Better than anticipated” (Katzenberg’s actual words) hardly adds up to a cinematic revolution, and doesn’t come close to justifying another five bucks per ticket.

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  • Christian
    Should we add the movies to the list with concerts and sporting events on the list of things the average American is being priced out of? I used to go see movies all the time, but ticket prices keep gradually going up and up and now I have to be more selective. And now they suggest charging us more for 3D? Dear Motion Picture industry, I generally am a big fan of the product and I am dying to give you my money. Just not all of it, so chill out with the greed and make movies affordable enough for everyone to plant their butts in the seats. capiche?
  • At some places here in L.A. we're already paying 15$ for 3D Experience(s). So that doesn't seem too bad for me, especially since some movie tickets cost 12$ (just regular)
  • Reese
    Exhibitors shouldn't listen to this man, they should listen to filmgoers and improve the moviegoing experience to justify high prices.

    They should implement cell phone blocking in auditoriums (but not in hallways and the lobby), have bouncer-like ushers to kick out unruly patrons, special 18/21-and-over screenings (some theaters already have this but many more should) and have better/more optimized sound and picture.

    Screw higher prices for 3D, this is what exhibitors should be working on.
  • Dan
    That's Katzenberg for you.....I paid 13$ dollars for 3D the other day and just about shit myself, and he wants to increase the price?!?! After that movie I decided I'm NOT going to the theater anymore because it is to damn expensive.
    Katzenberg's business model:
    Take advantage of ignorant innocent children and their parents to make a quick buck. " Do we make good films? Of course not, throw in a couple fart jokes and well known actors and we are good to go. We just have to get them in the theater, if the movie sucks who cares, they've already paid for it."

    3D does NOT help filmmakers tell a better story. That's when you know you have an idiot running your company.
  • 3D still has a long way to go. It's good, but hardly great.
  • Bless your Yanky hearts. In Australia, a regular Adult ticket is $17. 3D Tix = $22
  • Anti-Septic
    Screw Katzenberg, he fails to realize if he pisses off consumers they can just wait for the dvd release and the inevitable rental market.

    I am not a huge fan of 3D anyhow, it is so far just a gimmicky addition to any movie.
  • Goobity
    Crap in 3-D is still Crap. Try making your studio's plots and characters three dimensional. That's what sells tickets in the long run, Jeff.
  • Weyland_Yutani
    Dreamworks just needs a new animation model. Better stories, voices in service to the material, humor through character, innovative design.

    Time to reboot the studio.

    3-D deserves a quick death. It's like a band-aid trying to hide the wounds.
  • David Cohen
    Dear Russ -- I believe the quote was edited when the story was trimmed to fit in print. I guess that qualifies as "no longer reporting it" but don't read anything into that. -- David Cohen, Variety
  • RussFischer
    I appreciate the clarification, David.
  • enzomoran
    Blow Me Katzenberg
  • Wow it's almost a "let them eat cake" level of ignorance.
    They don't seem to understand that fewer and fewer people paying more does not equal a good strategy for long term growth. In fact it seems to represent many dying business models.
    "Uh-oh, ticket sales are down. Fewer people are going to the movies. What should we do?"
    "Better raise prices to compensate for fewer people going! That'll fix it!"

    It's almost like they're encouraging us to just stay home. Let's see:
    Nice TV - About $1000
    PS3 or XBox - $300
    Good sound - $300

    Average movie night for wife and I is about $60 in LA after snacks, so if we avoid 25 movies and save that cash, we could pay for a major upgrade to our home theater set up.

    I'm going to talk to the wife about this when I get home. We go to A LOT of movies...
  • Charles
    Are these people fucking nuts. I don't think they realize the opportunity they have with 3d films. If most films are in 3d it could stop piracy since they see it as such a problem. They shouldn't charge anything extra for 3d.
    Stupid Stupid
  • Nothatbadhere
    Feel sorry for you all, its only $9.50 for matinee ($2 for 3D) and $12.00 for night viewings of 3D movies. On Digital 3D.
  • AhemAhem
    I wonder what all these comments would sound like if this article were titled, "John Lasseter Urges Exhibitors to Charge Even More for 3D Tickets." I have a sinking suspicion it would be about 90% positive and all for it!!
  • Weyland_Yutani
    and you would be wrong.
  • jay
    An increase in price might fly for a year of so after Avatar is released. But once the novelty wears off, doubtful if people will pay such a premium.
  • Name
    3D is gimmicky garbage anyway. Even when Pixar does it well like they did with Up, it's nothing transcendental. How about you create better stories at your studio Katz?
  • sgtzim
    I don't understand why there's a picture of Paul Schafer at the top of this article...
  • are you kidding me ? the dumbest idea I've heard in the last days..
  • rayzone
    Katzenberg did not say what you report. I was there and I know exactly what he said. Your post reflects a negative attitude towards 3D. Why is that? Do both your eyes work OK? Or are you visually challenged?

    Newsflash: yes, Hollywood is into making money.

    -- Ray 3D Zone
  • Ahhh a first person accounting of the events! Good to hear. I agree that there are a few sites out there that negatively reflect upon 3D and I assuming it is simply because conflict = hits. However they should soon realize that their bias will be forever etched in the archives of the Internet - just as they believe the Earth to be flat and the heavens to revolve around it. ;-)
  • RussFischer
    Those quotes come from Variety. If you can support your claim with a verifiable transcript of what Katzenberg said, by all means, share it with the class.
  • If it is who his signature says he is - you should LISTEN.
  • rayzone
    Russ,

    Yes, the quotes you used are from Variety. The rest of it is pure
    invention - veering wholeheartedly towards cynical snarkitude.

    I gotta tell ya - you're working on one snarky little blog. The
    commentary hardly seems to conform to the guidelines for civility posted
    at the top of the blog.

    Ray 3D Zone

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  • bomberman
    Final Draft is cheap for students!
  • RussFischer
    Ray, you've obviously got a vested interest in 3D and quick perusal of the web suggests you may have a deep understanding of the subject.

    That said, how about you specifically reference this 'pure invention' instead of throwing out snark of your own. Or, if you're going to engage on that level, at least come up with something a lot more snappy than questioning my eyesight.
  • MickJ
    Gasp! Fuck me! Pure invention? God forbid the man include his own opinion or interpretation of said quotes!
  • bomberman
    Russ, the poster above is clearly an intern for Dreamworks. He or she is trying to get in good so they can have a once-in-a-lifetime-suck-your-dick-wowie zowie-studio job.

    Keep tryin Ray! I bet that screenplay is coming along reallllll nice
  • RussFischer
    Well, where it gets interesting is that Variety has pulled a couple of the quotes, as now noted in the article above. Other sites pulled the same quotes, so they're still out there, but I'd love to have a full transcript of the keynote, which wasn't on the summit's site or YouTube last time I checked.
  • Karl Pilkington
    Animated 3D is cool but live action 3D sucks. Why would I pay more for a downgrade?
  • duncanc
    What a twat!

    Just another reason to wait for the movie on Lovefilm!
  • Craigasorusrex
    Guy looks like an idiot and thinks like one too. I'm not paying extra for squat.

    Keep raising prices and people will just theater hop to watch these 3D movies. Trust me its not to hard when most theater employees just frankly don't give a damn.

    Really hope this guy doesn't have any influence in actually raising prices. Its already $13 for a matinee 3D screening and $15 after 5:00 in my area.

    $4 dollars more, pfft. Forget about it.
  • Jeff
    He's nuts. I won't even pay current 3D prices, it's ridiculous. The more the prices go up, the less I go to the movies, and the more DVDs I copy from Netflix.
  • Rockie
    wont fly Katz

    go watch antz and convince yourself its better than a bugs life
  • presto117
    i would never pay $15 to see one of your terrible animated fils in 3D, dreamworks. I love 3D and I think it's great, but the only time i'd spend that much is if that came with some snacks, or if it was in Imax, cause Imax 3D is worth $15, and 90 minutes of your "quality" films stuffed with pop-culture references? no thanks.
  • some_dude
    Katzenberg has been trying to champion 3D for years now. What he apparently doesn't get is that fewer people go to the movies period so the faithful that continue to go consistently will pay the higher price but that really does not help bring more people back to the theaters.

    When was the last time you heard anyone say "Let's go to the theater and see what's playing" ... they don't anymore. People go to see a specific movie and it does not matter if it is in 3D or not just as long as it gets hyped.

    Home theater systems killed the theater and the recession sealed the deal.
  • Bobby
    Are you on crack lol? The movie business is hurting right now just like every other major business but ti's still doing extremely well with the theater experience. Throw on top the home experience with DVD and Blu Ray and it's still doing great. This whole 3D thing is just like the so called push for digital downloads. It's far from proven success and far from proven that people prefer these methods as only a very small percentage actually see 3D movies compared to traditional and when they see 3D movies it's the heavily promoted ones and the traditional screens still make more money. With Digital Downloads and the such that's even more of a unproven success then 3D movies. As of right now they are gimmiks. If Avatar lives up to it's hype it may change for 3D but now 100% for movie goer support. The only people that even make noise or care about 3D or digital distribution are the people who back it which is limited to the entire general public and the execs that back it. Most people probably don't care or even know enough about the general push for 3D and digital distribution. It's all blown up and is extremely far from becoming the de facto for the movie industry.
  • presto117
    exactly! the only time i say "lets go to the movies" without even knowing what's out (which is rarely often nowadays lol), i'll check my phone first.
  • starrshortgore
    imagine how many more people would go if you LOWERED it.. i've never shelled out the money at the current price, so what makes you think i would at a higher one?

    the only thing i'd pay more for is if they had, like, director's cuts or exclusive cuts of the movie with drastic differences or 20-50 min. extended cuts maybe.
  • This guy is a moron it just shows these big studios are run by idiots.

    This is the same blind approach they took to internet piracy and we've see how well they have done coping with that.

    Unless a 3D movie is made at a loss where they are profiting they shouldn't charge anybody more.

    This idiot will be the death of 3D which is already having difficulty getting a foothold in the market.
  • What is up with movies being like the tech sector? Added features mean higher prices for no reason. The fact that a movie is 3-D means more people will see it. It's a marketing tool. It shouldn't cost more. No one would have seen My Bloody Valentine without the 3-D.

    I also don't look forward to movies being sold out in 2-D because half the screens for a particular movie are reserved for 3-D. I'm just against 3-D in general I guess...
  • Seb
    stupid
  • The premium is $4 right now for all AMC's in NYC to my knowledge (including Lincoln Center) and $5 or $6 extra for IMAX... so right now to see a 3D showing it is 16.50, which is already too much.
  • Christopher_M
    this sounds like the dumbest idea ever...aren't a lot of people going through financial hardships? why add such an increase to films that more or less are the norm of filmmaking?....most 3D films still are just gimmicks, take a look at the recent horror flicks...I understand IMAX 3D price increases because of the different format...but really, regular 3D screens? it's of course a reason to gouge the moviegoer because most don't challenge price hikes
  • Powers That Be
    Really Katzenberg? Really? You really want to charge us more just because "we'll pay for it"? You have no other financial reasons to why they should cost more? Ok fine...how about this suggestion...how about you charge your $15 to see a 3-D movie...but ONLY if you don't bring your own glasses. I mean, I've got like 6 pairs of these things kicking around my house just waiting to get used again.

    Here's a suggestion for all those "rebels" out there. Next time you go to see a 3-D movie, bring some of those old glasses with you, pay to see the 2-D version, and just walk on into the 3-D one.
  • DorienG
    I'm angry I never thought of that...
  • Powers That Be
    Yup...throw in a couple snacks from the local gas station and you really get to show "the man" what's up....plus you're still technically paying for the movie...just not the glasses.
  • According to the theater, you're not paying for the glasses. You're paying to help offset the cost of the theater's 3D implementation.

    Kind of makes sense, but... $3 extra per person?

    Fuck that. If I'm bringing my own 3D glasses, it shouldn't cost more than $1 extra.
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