del_toro_jackson_hobbit_11

Yesterday we helped perpetuate the rumor that Guillermo del Toro and Peter Jackson might announce the actor who’ll play Bilbo Baggins in The Hobbit while at San Diego Comic Con next week. But reportedly, that isn’t happening. No surprise, but too bad. News would have livened up the Con quite a bit. Why won’t we hear anything? Because according to Peter Jackson, who spoke to Empire, the script isn’t done. “No, we won’t be announcing Bilbo for a little while. We’re starting to think about casting, but we’re knee-deep in the script right now. And when we do go to actors, they’re probably going to ask to see a script, so we’re powering ahead with getting the first draft done.”

Then again, if a Tolkien family lawsuit (yes, another LOTR lawsuit) takes its toll, the film might not happen at all. Insert ominous foley effects here, and then hit the jump to read more.

The bottom line is that the Tolkien family claims that they’re owed $220m from New Line to cover back profit payments from the Lord of the Rings trilogy. The family heirs are suing New Line claiming breach of contract, and as part of the suit are asking to recover all further film rights to Tolkein’s work. If that somehow went through, The Hobbit film (as currently set up at new Line and MGM) would be toast.

In 1969, JRR Tolkien sold the film rights for 250,000 pounds and 7.5% of future profits. But the family says they haven’t been paid anything out of the trilogy’s $6b worldwide sales. The Guardian reports that New Line lawyers say the original contract terms are ambiguous; Tolkien family lawyer Bonnie Eskenazi says “Should the case go all the way to trial, we are confident that New Line will lose its rights to The Hobbit.”

This is lawsuit number three regarding New Line and undistributed profits from the trilogy. Peter Jackson reached an undisclosed settlement in 2007, and Saul Zaentz settled in 2005. Hollywood accounting is notoriously creative and self-serving, and New Line (which struggled before being folded into Warner Bros) has been more determined than most.

  • First!!!


    I hope this comes out to be good. Im going for that dude who was in "Wanted"
  • shatner
    gay boy
  • jason B
    haven't you noticed that no one does that 'first' thing on /film.
  • jonny
    fuck you
  • Itri12
    I don't know why the Tolkien family would want to stop The Hobbit from being made. They obviously care more about money than the man who they are related to and the legacy his book left behind. If they cared about The Hobbit or JRR Tolkien, then they wouldn't try to stop the film from being made. Period. These assholes are just plain greedy.
  • Or they just want the money that is due them. If I was getting screwed out of $220M I'd probably sue as well.
  • StephenKing
    @Itri12

    Buahahah, in what world do you live? The Tolkien family has all the rights to sue those greedy company who wants all the profits for them!
  • Brad
    I'm sorry but the Tolkien family did not write the hobbit. As far as I'm concerned intelectual property rights should die with the person who created the work.

    That said, yeah New Line are greedy scumbags.
  • existenz
    Well that's not the world we live in. Children are currently allowed to control the rights to their parents' work for 95 years after death.

    New Line and Warner Bros were greedy. Tolkien sold the rights for a song -- all they had to do is pay 7.5% of the profits, profits that would not exist if Tolkien hadn't written the books. New Line should have paid up instead of sending all that money to shareholders and overpaid executives.
  • Gold Standard
    "New Line should have paid up instead of sending all that money to shareholders and overpaid executives."

    I agree 100%.
  • mbellerbrock
    Eh, if the contract entitles them to money I think they have every right to try to get it. The thing that bothers me is their apparent hate for the movies. I've heard that Christopher Tolkien refuses to watch them and let's be serious, where would he be today if it wasn't for the popularity of the movies that boosted his book sales. And to take control over future movies is stupid, leave it in the hands of the people who struck wild success in the first place.
  • jason B
    are you fucking serious itri12?! they are rightfully owed money from a company that has several times tried to ignore contracts for this very property. ignoring a binding contract valued at $220 million is quite disrespectful to tolkien and his family and they have every right to pursue this.

    but you're not noticing the blatant greed and lies perpetrated by the studio? very heads up.
  • I can agree that the Tolkien family is missing the point. I'm disappointed to see that J.R.R.'s sense of "story first" didn't transfer to the youngin's. Not that The original Tolkien would've necessarily jumped on the movie bandwagon necessarily anyways, but I mean, come on. You have a chance to share your family member's life work with the whole world in a new way. Why not do it?

    That being said, greedy or not, they're still fully within their rights. And New Line are the bigger assholes here, as this isn't the first major player in the making of The Lord of the Rings that's gotten royally screwed so far. I'd imagine The Hobbit would've been out by 2005 if New Line new how to pay its damn associates.

    Not cool.
  • existenz
    "Story first"? I'm sorry, but JRR Tolkien was not a proponent of giving away his books for free. An author deserves to profit from his work, as do his heirs (until the work goes into the public domain). Many members of the Tolkien family were happy with Peter Jackson's films, but come on -- would you be happy if a giant corporation pocketed $200 million in profits that rightly belong to you?

    I'm sure the Hobbit will be made. At worst, New Line/WB will have to pay up. Which is what they should have done already.
  • I hardly think I said that Tolkien gave his books away for free. He simply had a great respect for the story. In fact, honestly I doubt that Tolkien would have any problem with fighting for his due wage. However, honestly, the legal claim these children have to the works becomes morally tenuous at best. Legally, they have every right. Due largely to copyright laws that are screwed up enough to begin with. Many things that should've passed into the public domain years ago remain because, damnit, Disney just can't let go of Mickey Mouse.

    Do the children have a legal claim to the movie? Yes. Should New Line pay up? Heck yes. They're complete douchebags if they don't. But pouting because you didn't get your share, and saying "Well, if I can't get what I want, the people don't get what they want until you give me my money so there, nah!"....well it's immature and frankly, annoying.

    Tolkien may have stood on principle in regards to his wages, but he had respect for the story. A respect that few people these days have, and that's what made him a genius. If The Hobbit has been reduced to nothing more than a piece of intellectual property, to be bickered about and whined over, until even the release of the film is tainted by the same kind of legal crap that held The Watchmen....well, in that case, the kids don't deserve this property. Regardless of whether they have a legal right.

    It's about respect. Not money.
  • existenz
    Don't forget that Peter Jackson himself refused to do The Hobbit until he was paid the money he was owed. So don't pretend that the Tolkien family is any different from anyone else. Just like Jackson, they have to play hardball with the studio in order to get them to pay up.

    It's ludicrous that Saul Zaentz would get paid $168 million for the LOTR trilogy, while the Tolkien estate gets ZERO.
  • I'm starting to get sick of all these f*cking lawsuits. The studio should give the tolkiens the money that they owe them, and then the tolkiens should shut up and let them do the movie.
  • I wish the judge would say the same as you said...and hopefully the movie will go to production soon.
  • optimusprime
    I'm with you tigersuit. They make all these money and don't pay back. The studios are hurting themselves and The Hobbit production.
  • Harvey
    I miss fat Peter Jackson
  • Justin
    good. The Hobbit is probably my most anticipated movie right now other than Avatar, World of Warcraft, and Batman 3, but New Line totally fucked these guys. Seriously, 3 movies that grossed like 4 billion total, 3 regular dvds and 3 extended dvds that probably generated an extra 1 billion in revenue. Family is family, lets just hope the studio gives in this time. Jesus Christ just announce McAvoy already, whether or not the project gets off the ground any time soon,
  • You're excited for World of Warcraft? May I ask why?
  • MickJ
    Too bad for the family. New Line's accountants apparently screwed them by "massaging" their numbers, accounting for inflation and other random costs, to make it look like the LOTR trilogy made ZERO profit. Which = false.
  • Craigasorusrex
    Looks like Warner or someone involved in production is going to have to settle outside of the courtroom if they hope to keep progressing into the filming stages.
  • comic bat
    THIS IS AWESOME!!!!! STOP "THE HOBBIT" MOVIE !!!! trust me, we as fans, dont want this to happen. the trilogy is enough. we dont want to see the rings franchise burnt to the ground because of 2 prequels !!! we all know how that turns out !!!! (cough.... star wars.....cough)
  • josh
    speak for yours self dude, jackson and del toro are not george lucas
  • Jeff
    Are you serious? Ok, first, I'm a big fan of the whole LOTR franchise, including the books and all, and I can think well enough for myself to say that I do want these movies to happen. And second, likening this to star wars is absurd, considering that the star wars prequels came from the mind of man with a grotesquely bloated ego. The Hobbit, on the other hand, is coming straight from a book that was written long before LOTR. The story is already great enough, all it takes is capable storytellers to translate that great story to film. There is already Jackson, who you even recognize as having done a great job on the LOTR films, and then there's Guillermo who is incredible as well (Pan's Labyrinth, Hellboy 2). The Hobbit is in good hands. It just needs to be made.
  • Dan W
    The people obviously hate movies
  • jonny
    New line can take a flying fuck through a rolling doughnut.
    I would rather see the family reap all profits well deserved in a long drawn out lawsuit than ever see a Hobbit film. Go Go Tolkien family!!
  • Egger_Buckland
    Yeah, it seems they got the shaft, but I hardly think they're hurting from it overall. Exactly how many books have they sold this decade? I'm not losing sleep over this.
  • Allm0st
    I think the Tolkien family really just wants more money.

    This movie would be epic with Peter Jackson + Guillermo del Toro, really have been looking forward to it.

    Though I still wonder what happen to Peter Jackson + Halo movie oh well this sounds better.
  • xandercrews
    They don't want more money, they want THEIR money. The studio is trying to short change them
  • existenz
    Exactly. How many naysayers on this board would write off $200 million just so they can see a new Peter Jackson movie? I love Jackson, but I'd fight for what I was owed!
  • rumpy
    Film probabley will get made and as long as that weasal looking david tennant( dr who) doesnt play bilbo it will be a good flick.
  • xandercrews
    As much as I want to see The Hobbit on the big screen, I'd rather see the studio lose this lawsuit. It makes no sense that you have to sue them to get your money. Pay the family and whoever else you're trying to screw, and make the damn movies
  • gman2099
    Seriously people, it has nothing to do with money. The family has tried to stop the all the movies from the begining. If they wanted money they wouldn't have done that. They are looking for a loop hole to stop the movie, not make money.....come on guys think about it. “Should the case go all the way to trial, we are confident that New Line will lose its rights to The Hobbit.” And I think it's crazy because if anything the movies only get more people interested in the books. They should see it as a tribut to him instead.
blog comments powered by Disqus