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[This is part three of a four-part series. You can also read part one, part two, and part four. This article contains spoilers for the films discussed, but NOT for Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince]

Next up: Director Mike Newell’s take on the Potter franchise. Newell cut his teeth directing TV but went onto demonstrate his range in film through well-crafted dramas (Donnie Brasco) and comedies (Four Weddings and a Funeral, Pushing Tin). While clearly talented, he’s not the first person that would have come to mind when choosing a director for this series, but obviously, all that matters is whether or not the film measures up. So how good is Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire?

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2005)

Goblet of Fire sees Hogwarts hosting the Triwizard tournament, a competition between three schools that tests the wizardry mettle of students from each school. When the Goblet of Fire inexplicably chooses Harry to be entered into the tournament, Harry must do what he can to survive and to win, while still maintaining his humanity.

Goblet of Fire was the first film of the series to be rated PG-13 and I have to agree that it earns this designation. There’s some disturbing and dark imagery in this film, and there are plenty of moments that saw me genuinely frightened. The challenges of the Triwizard tournament were among the most exciting and inventive elements of the series so far, and I watched each of the three challenges with rapt attention. The action is well-paced and Newell apparently subscribes to the “Lots of small things attacking a person as s/he is trying to get away” school of suspense filmmaking (and he does it really, really well).

[While we're on the subject of children getting attacked, is it just me or is Hogwarts the most terrible school in the history of Muggle-kind? Children are placed in peril with more frequency here than they are in the whole of films such as Slumdog Millionaire and City of God. Students can easily die during the Triwizard tournament (and in fact, one does), but somehow everyone is okay with that. The quidditch matches don't seem to safe either, with children hurtling through the sky on flimsy broomsticks while a massive metallic ball flies around at lightning speed with reckless abandon. And don't even get me started on the actual education itself: The Defense of Dark Arts class is the revolving door of professor appointments. Who exactly is responsible for hiring at Hogwarts, and why don't they do some standard background checks?]

We get a taste in this film of middle school/high school teenage dynamics, as the students are forced to find dates for the Yule Ball and the sexual tension between Hermione and Ron is brought to the forefront. I wasn’t particularly interested in these developments, but I respected their presence in the film for one reason: They show that underneath all the magical happenings, and beneath the weight of fate upon the shoulders of students like Harry Potter, all of these characters are still just kids. They’re insensitive, they’re petulant, they’re easily hurt, but they also have a lot of love for each other. Newell takes this opportunity to further build the relationship of these characters we’ve spent so much time with already, and it adds a different dimension to them that I’m ultimately grateful for.

Also, it’s finally in this film that Voldemort ceases to be confined to the back of some guy’s head or some withered husk, and instead, returns in the form of a man. I had my doubts about how this would play out, since up until this point, the myth was bigger than the man in my mind. Voldemort was effective as an unstoppable, amorphously evil force, when you had no idea what form he would take, but I was pleasantly surprised to find that it was Ralph Fiennes who would be stepping into the role. This is a man who has previously played the personification of evil, not to mention his recent turn as the psychotic hitman in In Bruges. Only someone with as much talent for vileness as Ralph Fiennes could possibly equal the unspeakable depravity of Voldemort; if they had gotten anyone other than him, I’m not sure it would have worked for me.

I enjoyed Goblet of Fire a lot, and I particularly enjoyed this film’s final confrontation, in which Harry comes face to face with Voldemort. The ultimate reveal of the Alastor Moody deception was also really satisfying, and I came out of this movie even more thrilled than I did with Prisoner of Azkaban (although I still haven’t decided which one is the better film).

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007)

Order of the Phoenix saw the reins being handed over to the talented David Yates (State of Play [miniseries], The Girl in the Cafe). Notable for being one of the shortest films in the series, yet based on the longest book, I found a lot to like about Order of the Phoenix but ultimately found its CGI-heavy finale fairly disappointing.

This latest story sees Potter inspired by the Order of the Phoenix, a secret organization formed by Dumbledore to fight Voldemort and his followers. As Dumbledore tries to convince those at the Ministry of Magic and elsewhere that Voldemort is indeed back, Dolores Umbridge is installed at the Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, sapping the life out of the place and transforming it into a miniature version of McCarthy-era America (or 1980s Stasi-monitored East Berlin).It should be said that not only is Imelda Stauntun perfectly cast as Umbridge, but her stunningly pink wardrobe evokes an uptightness and propriety that visually clashes with the anarchic proceedings of Hogwarts. Certainly, she’s the latest in a series of very memorable side characters.

Notably, this film sees Potter actually taking initative and applying what he’s learned to raise Dumbledore’s army. These sequences, where Potter is training his fellow students in the spell’s he’s been forced to use in the previous films, pay off everything we’ve seen happen to Potter thus far. Moreover, they actually filled me with a little bit of pride; at this point, I’ve spent 10 hour watching Potter being subjected to all sorts of punishment and battle. It’s gratifying firstly to reflect on everything he’s been through and what he’s survived, but also to see him apply those teachings to something meaningful.

Some time is devoted towards showing the school’s newly found oppressive nature, but I wanted even more of this element; it’s a terrible thing for adults to force children to turn against each other, and when that finally happens in this film, it could have been even more devastating.

As for the final confrontation (are you starting to sense a theme in these reviews and in these movies?), I thought it was pretty lackluster. At no point during the fight in the Snow Globe Prophecy Room did I ever believe that these were characters interacting in an actual physical space. And while some of the CGI is passable, Yates doesn’t yet grasp that what makes these encounters so riveting is the drama between the characters, not a series of explosive collisions between the stuff that comes out of these characters’ wands. I’d rather see a well-acted exchange between Dumbledore and Voledemort than see how impressively they can conjure up a CGI fireballs against each other, but that’s just me.

Overall, though, the difference between films three through five, when compared with Columbus’ first two entries, is clear: The latter films in the series feel much more coherent as films, and seem more interested in maintaining our interest in a narrative throughline than wowing us with the wonders of the Potter universe. This observation applies to Order of the Phoenix as well, which, for all its flaws, is still a fairly effective piece of filmmaking. I just wish the ending had given us a little bit more to chew on (instead it felt like a rehash of Goblet of Fire’s ending, extended wand-duel and all).

Some other leftover notes:

- After taking in these five films in the course of the week (and without having read any of the books), there are two characters I feel short-changed by: Dumbledore and Sirius Black. Dumbledore is supposed to be a highly respected and wise wizard, and while I’m fans of the work that Richard Harris and Michael Gambon have put in, I think the characters are underwritten and don’t offer enough in the films to truly earn my reverance. The same also goes for Gary Oldman as Sirius Black; Black’s transformation from Potter’s enemy to father figure happens too quickly in Azkaban and I never really bought it (yet their relationship becomes essential for the finale in Order of the Phoenix). For both Dumbledore and Black, I constantly felt like I was being told what to feel about these two characters, as opposed to actually feeling that way. I’m sure these problems don’t exist in the books, but in the films, they bothered me.

- I think I’d be remiss if I didn’t at least mention Robert Pattinson, who does an adequate job as Cedric Diggory, one of Harry’s competitors in the Triwizard tournament in Goblet of Fire. While the character utters only a few lines throughout the entire film, it’s worth noting that Pattinson is not nearly as bad as he was in Twilight. Regrettably, I think the latter film (or at least his performance in it) will end up overshadowing his entire career, and may be difficult for him to live down: It was impossible for me to watch him without having physically unpleasant flashbacks of my Twilight viewing experience. (See Orlando Bloom, for an example of another talented actor who has been unable to get over his “pretty boy” status in the States enough to be taken seriously) Let me know if you feel the same way.

**

I have heard that Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince is one of the best films of the whole bunch, potentially the best. I’m going to go see the film tonight at the Regal Fenway Theater in Boston, and my hopes are high that Yates, having settled into the director’s chair for the rest of the series, will deliver us a film that will work as both a Potter film and an adventure film in general. We’ll find out tomorrow if I am right.

Discuss: What did you think of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix?

[This is part three of a four-part series. You can also read part one, part two, and part four.]

About the Author

David Chen currently does research and writing for a university in the Boston area. He can be reached at davechensemail(AT)gmail(DOT)com.

  • I'll be really curious to see how you react to HBP, Dave, because of how driven it is by the relationship between Harry and Dumbledore, who you are right (to an extent) has been a bit underwritten at parts.

    And as far as the conclusion to Order of the Phoenix goes, I'm guessing that the final sequence was derived a bit too exclusively with Imax 3D plans in mind - it seems like it would be really immersive in that medium, but not so much in others.
  • urkel
    I remember watching OotP in iMax 3D and being utterly nauseous from the swooping CGI and the failed 3D. I just couldn't figure out what was going on. Before watching the latest film I rewatched OotP and when that scene came up in 2D I was able to follow it better but it definitely made magic feel a bit boring. (Stupify! Expeliamus! Repeato Againus!)

    Anyway, the funny thing about rewatching OotP is that it was supposed to hype me up for HBP but instead it just got me pumped for The Last Airbender because in that uneventful Dumbledore/Voldemort battle Voldemort was essentially Firebending while Dumbledore was waterbending so I'm all psyched up for the wrong movie...
  • I agree with everything you've been saying with one exception (though I have read the book, so perhaps it makes more sense to me..) I think Dumbledore was developed just fine as a character, I agree with you on Sirius though. For me I think I would have to say PoA > GoF = OotP > tSS > CoS.

    I like what you said about the later films being more coherent as films and less worried about being adaptions.. I think this is what makes Half-Blood Prince the best in the series.
  • urkel
    They definitely did become better "Films" as time went on. But upon rewatching the last 3 recently then it's not hard to find 30-40 minutes of filler in each movie that could be chopped out. HBP was okay, but I found it to be a bit uneventful and for whatever reasons I've never cared a bit for the Love Tetrahedrons that they spent so much time on.

    So for me it's easily: PoA > GoF > HBP > OotP ---[yawn]--- TSS > CoS
  • "And don't even get me started on the actual education itself: The Defense of Dark Arts class is the revolving door of professor appointments. Who exactly is responsible for hiring at Hogwarts, and why don't they do some standard background checks?]"

    That's exactly why you SHOULD read these books! There's much more details in these novels about Defense against Dark Arts class. There was an inside joke that the job is supposedly cursed.

    but otherwise, great review. and I'm glad you finally started to appreciate the HP franchise.
  • Luke
    Interesting to see your perspective. I especially found it unusual that you liked Goblet of Fire so much. I found it to be the most exciting book for the reasons you listed (the tasks were just so damn cool, solid ending), but I found the film to be underwhelming-- it seemed horribly rushed from one sequence to the next with no real transition scenes, the characters felt flat, and the whole film just sort of felt like a jumbled mess. The film just sort of bored me.

    I'm also seeing the sixth film tonight, so it'll be interesting to compare my opinions to yours.
  • Your perspective going into the film was clearly much different than David's, as was mine. I remember reading Goblet of Fire and taking note of how incredibly cinematic it was, so that's what I went into the film expecting.

    But for somebody who hasn't read the books, they have no preset expectations. All they're hoping for is a solid movie. And overall, Goblet of Fire plays out the most like a movie than any of the other chapters in the series. So naturally, they're more likely to get the most out of it.
  • Swarley
    That would be my major argument for saying Chen should read the books. I think everything you said you enjoyed about Goblet of Fire was just the awesome narrative to begin with. Being that it was my favorite book of the series (at least, until the last two came out) I was disappointed with the film. If you thought it was great, you really should try reading the books.
  • tHE
    I agree completely. The 4th book had the best sub-plot narrative that really set up the endgame for the last 3 books in the Harry Potter series. You don't get that in the movie, since it's basically 2 hours of fight scenes (horribly done btw) strung together with the book's extremely basic plot elements. .
  • I completely agree with Luke regarding the film adaptation of Goblet of Fire. I haven't read the books, but for me, the film felt like it was not made to stand on its own. I found myself not really caring about anything that occurred because the film felt simply like a series of fleeting major events with not enough to tie them together. I did have preset expectations, but they were based on the qualities of the previous film. I thought the narrative in Prisoner of Azkaban was so good and this film just left me incredibly disappointed.
  • wonderpulp
    Great Reviews. I really like Goblet of Fire too (more that PoA actually), especially because it was just a lot funnier than the previous films. The whole Yule Ball sequence is hilarious. There's something very John Hughes about the whole thing that cracks me up. The scene where Hermoine yells at Ron, tells Harry to go to bed, and then slumps down at the bottom of the stairs to take her heels off (with the band heard faintly in the background) is the funniest scene in the whole series. I dunno, maybe that's just me.
  • rolltider
    Angrybroomstick: "There was an inside joke that the job is supposedly cursed."

    SPOILER (future?)
    I believe in the books that it says the job was in fact cursed by voldemort. Not an inside joke. Doesn't it say in the last book's epilogue that one of the characters takes the job and keeps it for a long time? I don't recall which one.
  • It's in HBP when this is revealed. Voldemort actually cursed the job when he couldn't get the position (completely removed from film).
  • Jason W
    Dave, these have been great! I've enjoyed each of them and I think you should consider doing this for other film series you haven't seen (although, it'd be hard to find something quite like the Harry Potter franchise.)
    Strangely enough, I've read the books and I've always felt that the characters of Dumbledore and Sirius Black were underwritten in the books too....that, as you put it, "like I was being told what to feel about these two characters, as opposed to actually feeling that way." I know a lot of people wouldn't agree with that, but that's always been my take. As a result, their filmed representations is kind of what I was expecting.
    Keep up the great work!
  • I have to say Dave I commend you on your work and your analysis of the Potter film series to this point. I loved the sixth film and plan on seeing it again. Before the sixth movie it was the fourth film that I really fancied.

    I am glad to see your analysis of the series and all the interesting points you made. I am now curious will you find time to read the books? I have only read 1 -4 and your complaint about the fatherly relationship between Black and Harry happened too quickly was one that always bugged me. The books do a much better job making you understand that relationship.

    Explanation - Throughout the end of the third book and throughout the fourth till the point Harry sees Black in Order of the Phoenix - he has been secretly corresponding with him and sharing his life through letters and Rowling does a great job giving Potter that heartfelt sadness that the one person who could tell him everything about his parents he can't live with or be with due to his warrant from the Dementors.

    Anyway well done sir and I am eagerly awaiting your thoughts on Half-Blood Prince.

    Take care and see you next week at Comic-Con
  • darsfog
    Not to be nitpicky...

    "Notably, this film sees Potter actually taking initative and applying what he’s learned to raise Voldemort’s army."

    Don't you mean Dumbledore's Army?
  • yes I certainly did. Big difference! Fixed.
  • Myself, I liked Order of the Phoenix the best. Maybe I need to revisit GoF, but I've almost completely forgotten about what happens in it. The movie (not the book, mind you) always felt like filler to me. I'll watch it again though.
  • GORT
    There is a specific reason why there is a new Defense against the Dark Arts teacher every year, it is revealed in the final book
  • Sixth book.
  • I think I'm in agreement with Luke in finding you have such a positive response to GoF. It felt like a series of loosely connected set-pieces when I saw it. It's certainly not the weakest film (I'm not sure which of the first two would get that label) but it doesn't hold up to Azkeban.

    Of course the first two films have the problem that they're adapting the first two books, which are pretty mish-mash all around. They feel disjointed and like little more than a world-building collection of scenes because that's what the books are.

    I do find your OotP reaction to be interesting. I didn't like the book. It's over-written and generally feels amateurish and annoying. However, the movie manages to distill it down and get most of the core concepts across in an entertaining manner. It's not Azekban good, but it's up there. The big disappointment is the lack of the one brilliant scene in the entire novel involving the twins. It's briefly hinted at, but doesn't have anywhere near the same effect.

    Still, great work on these reviews. It was nicely enlightening to see a reaction from a true neophyte, which is going to be noticeably different than the folks who have read all the books and have that as a jumping-off point.
  • urkel
    One thing that always bugged me about GoF in the books was made even worse in the movies. Who the heck would watch a TriWizard Tournament match when they never play out in front of the audience? The first one was in the sky chasing a dragon, the second was underwater and the third was in a hidden maze.

    It's like going to a football game and as soon as they blow the whistle then all the players run to the parking lot while you sit there in the stands for 2hrs waiting for them to come back and tell us who won.
  • wittyphrase
    I haven't seen HBP yet, but I have to suspect part of the reason for the omission that everyone has been talking about in HBP has to do with the fact that whether intentional or not, Dumbeldore was never built up in the films to be what he apparently is in the books. While I'm sure that rubs fans of the book the wrong way, it makes perfect sense in trying to salvage the films.

    To Dave's point, if you have that scene that they've omitted without all the necessary emotional connections being established in the previous films, you're simply telling people how to feel and many audiences will react negatively to that. I'd be willing to bet the audience watching without reading is large
  • poltah
    Just a note. All of the character and storyrelated qualms David has with these movies, aren't exisitng in the book. Anyone who watches these movies before reading the books are cheating themselves of a very well told story. It might not be great art og inspired writing, but it's damn entertaining, and storytelling at it's best.

    And there's not one of these books you can't finish in a week, in a day if you're an avid reader.

    If you have watched movies, still consider reading the books. There's A LOT of stuff in them that never made it into the movies. And a lot of it is what makes the Harry Potter books great. The battle between Voldemort and Harry Potter, good versus evil, was never as interesting as the everyday life on the school.
    Something we don't get a feel for in the movies.

    In my opinion, none of these movies are good movies. Some are okay, other's are truly bad.
  • Books>>movies.

    But I think most the movies do adequately.
  • poltah
    There are cases of the movies being better than the book. Definitely.
  • I meant Harry Potter books, my bad. And you're certainly right. The Godfather is the ideal example. But there have been others. I think that Lord of the Rings is true here too (don't kill me...). But the last time I read the books was ninth grade, and I was a little young. I got halfway though the two towers and got really tired of reading about the people walking...

    I really liked the Hobbit though. It's written more like an adventure novel than a history book.
  • cantona_x
    I totally agree with this setence:
    The battle between Voldemort and Harry Potter, good versus evil, was never as interesting as the everyday life on the school.
  • nwash10
    Alright, Regal Fenway......That's my home theater. I didn't know you were based in Boston.
  • I think GoF is the second best movie, to PoA. HBP perhaps ties for second. I thought it was a surprisingly good mix, and the last scene was stellar.

    OotP is, however, my least favorite of the series. Why they made the longest book the shortest movie mystifies me. They sacrificed way too much, and filled too much with Umbridge, who was grossly overplayed (no matter how great the character was. She took a lot away from everything else, almost becoming the main villain herself). And the last scene was underwhelming. It had a lot of special effects, but that wasn't even the problem for me. I WANTED to see lots of special effects in this fight, but the two duelers stand completely still and don't say anything to each other. They just shoot glass and make fire. I don't know, I expected more.

    You're exactly right with Sirius's being underplayed, and to an extent Dumbledore. The sixth tries to fix the latter, and partly succeeds, but for those who haven't read the books Sirius's story arch was unmoving. It's a pity, really. I think Snape has been screwed as well. Bottom line, there are so many characters that it's hard to fit everybody in. I truly think they should have been splitting movies, or making them LotR long, since book 4. I think 3 hours 15 minutes would be a perfect length to get these longer books in, which is still shorter than LotR. But why OotP is shortest is a strange choice.

    I also don't understand why people think the first two films were so inferior to the latter. I don't think they're as great, simply because the BOOKS aren't as great either. But they pace better (the new films just fly through anything important, by and large), and I don't think the quality of the movie is much worse. Just my opinion though.

    I think the strength of these movies is when you look at the series as a whole. I don't think it's delivered any FANTASTIC cinema, but it's given consistently good films for 6 (and I'm going to guess 8) while maintaining most of the stars, who are all good actors.
  • TheDaftPunk
    "I also don't understand why people think the first two films were so inferior to the latter. I don't think they're as great, simply because the BOOKS aren't as great either."

    I completely agree, the movies were well made and enjoyable, but the source material wasn't as good as the later books.
  • sproks
    Interesting point about the Harry-Sirius relationship. I think a key thing to remember is that, in the book, we get a very limited 3rd-person narrator whose POV is mainly Harry's and not omniscient. We know from being inside Harry's head about how much he longs for family, any sense of family (see Mirror of Erised). Sirius represents that and Harry clings to it desperately. Whether that connection is more real than illusion is debateable and, from an outsider's perspective (ie, the cinematic audience perspective, which is much less inside Harry's head and much more omniscient), those doubts can be perceived more easily. The movies make this point subtly through Sirius's verbal linking of Harry to James, even to the point of Sirius calling Harry by his father's name in OotP. So, does Sirius see Harry fully for himself or does he confuse Harry the person with Harry as a means to reclaim his happier days, a mini-James? I don't question the affection that Harry or Sirius feel for each other, but I do believe that desperation and denial on their parts shape the relationship in ways that make its external appearance (audience POV) different from the way it is internally viewed (Harry/Sirius POV).
  • TheDaftPunk
    I loved Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, it was my favorite book until Order of the Phoenix. I didn't much care for the book of Goblet of Fire, but when the movie came out, it trumped Azkaban as the best film. I think Mike Newell did a fantastic job with Goblet of Fire. Sure, I was upset at the time that they didn't include the Quidditch World cup scene, the Dragons or the Sphinx, but the movie was dark and VERY emotionally satisfying. I was terrified when Voldemort was reborn, I was distraught when Harry returns to the grounds with Cedric's corpse. It remains my favorite Harry Potter film.

    However, I was extremely disappointed by Order of the Phoenix. It is my favorite book, and my least favorite movie. It felt rushed and uninspired. At times it was also poorly paced/edited, this was especially apparent during the death of Sirius Black - the editing was sloppy and I didn't understand what was going on. It happened WAY too quickly and didn't have the emotional impact it should have. I think it could be attributed to the muted portion afterward. Comparatively, the emotion from Cedric Diggory's death was palpable. I felt worse for a minor character's death than Black's death. It should have been far more emotional than it was - The same with Dumbledore's, but I'll wait until the thoughts on HBP for that.

    GoF > PoA > HBP > tSS > OotP = CoS
  • YazzyDream
    Unfortunately, this is something not mentioned in the 6th movie, but is in the books: That the reason why there's such a revovling door on the position of Defense Against the Dark Arts professor is because

    +++ MINOR BOOK SPOILER ++++

    Voldemort cursed it many years ago. Actually it was mentioned even earlier in the book series.
    In the 6th book they show a number of memories pertaining to Voldemort, and it's revealed in one of them that Dumbledore had denied him the opportunity to teach DADA. There by giving him access to the minds of future generations.

    ++++END SPOILER+++++

    Since then the job's been cursed. And a lot of people know about it, if not everyone. Although I doubt they know WHY it's been cursed, or by whom. So not a lot of people are willing to take up the job. Dumbledore got pretty desperate when getting Gildory Lockhart, and it's difficult getting anyone competent enough for the job since.
  • In the books, I still didn't understand how quickly Sirius became Harry's father figure. It's literally two hours in book time from hating him for killing his parents to wanting to go away with him. Also, with Dumbledore, we are told he is all powerful and a demigod and all, but very few characters ever seem to witness it, if he decides to use any flashy magic at all. I was never fully satisfied by that.
  • Michelle
    You are right about Dumbledore in regards to the books giving the reader ample reasons to cheer for and look up to him. He's one of the best characters.
    Black is less fleshed out, even in the books, but it's my opinion that the third movie failed completely in showing how and why Black was/is so important to Harry. Their relationship was absolutely forced and not for the better, again, in my opinion.
    I am so very anxious to hear your thoughts on the sixth movie, especially having the recent history of seeing the first five back to back and for the first time. I kind of envy you that!

    All that being said, Goblet of Fire is my favorite book and movie, though this sixth film has become a contender for that spot.
  • David Yates fails to understand the importance of the climax. The ending of the JKR's books are without a doubt key examples of amazing climaxing. The pages fly, the heart beats rapidly and the suspense builds to an utmost high. I have not felt the same about Yates' interpretation of the books. His endings are rushed and lack the dynamic of the ending's emotions. HPB would have been really good, if the ending wasn't so dull. Anywho, HPGF>HPCS>HPSS>HPHBP>HPOP>HPPA
  • Nick7er
    I completely agree with you, David, about how in the books what makes the final, terrifying encounters so thrilling and emotional is how the characters we've come to know and love interact with each other during the situation. Not trying to imagine how deadly Voldemort's fireballs would look like when reading.
    I just thought I'd throw my opinion out there on how I rank the films:
    1. Chamber of Secrets 2. Goblet of Fire 3. Half Blood Prince 4. Order of the Pheonix 5. Sorcerer's Stone 6. Prisoner of Azkaban
  • Fredo
    In terms of the movies, I go: PoA > GoF > OotP > TSS > CoS. Will go see HBP tonight. So thoughts coming on that.

    I think PoA is the best movie. It's the best shot. It's the most intriguing. Cuaron gets kids and gets kids growing into adolescence. And he gets Michael Gambon to play a far more interesting Dumbledore than the late, great Richard Harris delivered (for me Harris came off too much like old grandpa while Gambon comes off as a wizened old soul).

    That said, the most enjoyable (from beginning to end) is GoF. Is it darker than PoA? Somewhat. But it's the movie that best meshes the bright, colorful world that Columbus built with the character-driven quality of PoA.
  • MarsellusWallace
    I really like that there seems to be a nice mix of diversity as to how people rank their favorite Potter films, and why. I've also thoroughly enjoyed seeing the Harry Potter series through a fresh pair of eyes.

    I feel like this series will go down in history as one of the best film franchises, and deservedly so. I don't necessarily think that it has anything to do with CGI, cinematography, or production design, but simply the outstanding performances from both the main and supporting characters, along with those that cameo just for a film or two.

    As previously alluded to, if this series can pull a solid performance out of Robert Pattison, then that speaks volumes. There is simply no film franchise out there in which the actors actually own and BECOME their characters. From Gary Oldman as Sirius Black to Imelda Staunton as Delores Umbridge to Jim Broadbent as Horace Slughorn, these actors make you root for them as heroes and hate them equally as villains.

    I've enjoyed each and every installment, some more than others, but I'm very excited to see how Radcliffe and co. wrap up the series.
  • josh
    You blame Pattinson for Twilight? I thought almost every performance in that film was awful. The only exception was Anna Kendrick. THat script is so shitty that I really can't blame any of the actors.

    My ranking:
    1. Half Blood Prince
    2. Order of the Phoenix
    3. Prisoner of Azkaban
    4. Goblet of Fire


    5. Chamber of Secrets



    6. Sorcerer's Stone

    I actually think OOTP might be better than the book. I love the central storyline but that book is about 100-150 pages too long. The movie cut a lot of that stuff out that would have been agonizing on screen to watch. The one thing it doesn't fix is the Cho Chang problem. It still doesn't make sense that she would fall for Harry after everything that had happened to her in the previous installment. Also in fairness to Pattinson, most cinephiles consider him to be a talented young actor. A lot of the critics who hated Twilight singled out Pattinson as the only good thing about the film.
  • I am one of big fan of all harry potter series. Movies are not very much explantory like book. Still all series is very good. I would like to watch it again and again.
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