THE PRINCESS AND THE FROG

A series of promotional packages designed to hawk Disney’s The Princess and the Frog to its core demographic were broadcast during The Princess Protection Program TV movie on Sunday evening. As is always the way with these things, they found their way to YouTube. See all five embedded below the break.

What’s most interesting, at least if you’re not that fussed about The Princess and the Frog (though, in fact I am - I’m really quite fussed about it) is the mild controversy surrounding one newly unveiled character.

Today, both Movieline and CinemaBlend have questioned the representation offered by Mama Odie, a “fairy godmother” character. Movieline propose that Odie is an offensive stereotype, in the vein of Aunt Jemima; CinemaBlend contest that they don’t see the issue. What side will I come down on?

Well, I’m not worried about Odie at all. Beyond the most obvious, she doesn’t seem to hew so closely to the stereotype at all. Perhaps more worrying is Ray the Cajun firefly who seems to share some of his constitution with those hideous ‘Twins’ caricatures in Transformers 2.

But I’m still only a little worried about Ray. I don’t think Disney are about to make a serious misstep here. They’ve been keeping Song of the South in the vaults for a good while now, scared of the inevitable controversy and stockroom wrecking that its (well deserved, wrongly denied) release might cause. I don’t think they’d be cooking up another film to effectively do damage in its stead. Animation is produced slowly enough, and under enough scrutiny - and in this case, by folks smart enough - that any creeping prejudice would surely be sniffed out. I’m expecting anything that looks stereotypical here to possibly be subverted, or at least contextualized, in the finished film.

There’s some fun, fluffy material in these clips. Don’t expect to learn the secrets of animation or cinematic storytelling, just expect to pick the bones of these videos for the juicy little hunks of new material.

Mama Odie is unveiled in the second clip.

  • Let them make a movie. Any racism found is only because people are looking for it.
  • Peter
    Exactly. Before everyone was bitching and complaining about the lack of diversity in Disney princesses, now they have a respectable one but there is still reason to complain..

    Then there are a list of characters who are unveiled, being cartoon characters they are expected to be eccentric and playing on cliches to appeal to children -- prince and princess characters always attractive, goofy dimwitted supporting characters, and of course the elderly, plump, wise guardian figure.

    Oh but she's black and like "Aunt Jemima"!!! Every classic Disney film plays on stereotypes and cliches. It doesn't make the film racist, if they didn't play on such trends they would be unrelatable and have dull characters. Why? Because they aren't actors people, they are drawings meant to represent people and cultures.

    Every sensitive PC bastard out there should jump off the nearest cliff so us normal people can enjoy movies without overthinking the meaning and intentions behind the characters.
  • Pdub
    Here's some books you can start with in order to understand why stereotypical or racist depictions are so offensive to African Americans. It is because they are not balanced or based in truth! From the standards of the people commenting on this site you would think DW Griffith's "Birth Of A Nation" wasn't a racist film either. Pick up a book and understand the long history of racism in film before you make such statements. 1) Reel Racism: Confronting Hollywood's Construction of Afro-American Culture (Thinking Through Cinema)

    2) Toms, Coons, Mulattoes, Mammies & Bucks: An Interpretive History of Blacks in American Films (Paperback)
  • I wouldn't say Birth of a Nation wasn't racist. I'm saying this film, The Princess and the Frog, isn't racist. And that it's being watched with far too much scrutiny. For instance, the name Maddie. It was "too stereotypically black."

    Okay, if that's a stereotypically black name, doesn't that mean there are probably a lot of black girls named Maddie? (I'd never even heard the stereotype until that controversy). Then they're mad because she was a maid. That's weird, like Cinderella, and every other rags to riches story? And you mean to tell me there are NO black maids? Next thing you know, people will get upset because the movie has black characters playing Jazz. How terrible, since it was an art invented by black Americans.

    We have to stop viewing this movie as a 'black disney princess movie.' That's problem #1. It's just a disney princess that happens to be black.
  • Chris
    I've read both of those books, actually, cover to cover. True, Bogle might say that Odie is the stereotypical mammy, and Rocchio would probably agree and call every other character in the film an affront to African American culture, but I still think Peter is correct.

    It is impossible to create an animated ethnic character who is memorable, enjoyable, and easily identifiable to children without passing into "cliche and stereotype" territory and having someone cry 'racist.'

    It's pretty much a fact that people in different ethnic groups behave differently, and as Peter said, "they aren't actors," "they are drawings meant to represent people and cultures." Mulan wouldn't have made any sense if all the characters were 100% neutrally drawn and PC.

    If a white person casts any black people in his films, there is an automatic air of suspicion and bigotry, but Tyler Perry can create some of the most offensively stupid black characters imaginable, and it's okay? I, for one, think the characters in this film are more than reasonable. Obviously Song of the South is a travesty, so it's about time Disney tried to reach out and repair its racist reputation.

    Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
  • Fedup
    Here's an idea...see the movie and then judge for yourself. If it's good enough to get a standing ovation from the NAACP...just MAYBE it's okay and perhaps even good with nothing for people to bitch about.
  • soragirl6
    Well Black people aren't the only ones used offensively in movies and television. Native Americans, even in Disney's Pocohantas was depicted stereotypically, in fact even today like back then they don't get Native Americans to play their own roles. we all know Disney is stereotypical and if she acted like a white person you'd have something to say about that too so shut-up. I'm black and i think that our kind needs to stop thinking that the world is always against them. The world is changing. If you ask me they shouldn't have made her black at all because black people will always find something wrong unless a Black person made it. If this was Tyler Perry you wouldn't have anything to say.But because they are white something is wrong with her. Get over it. This is who we are she's more us than any cartoon African American girl I've seen.
  • Merciful_budah
    You realize that when you believe this forcefully in your point it is tantamount to being racist yourself? You essentially just told sensitive people to jump off a cliff because they give a damn about other people's feelings. Not saying I totally disagree with you on al points, just saying you do your argument no good with comments like that, particularly in a racism debate.

    That said, I honestly don't see the big deal either. There's nothing that really glares out at me as being any worse than The Jar Jar Twins.
  • Daniel
    Well, everyone is at least a little bit racist, even those self-proclaimed "color blind" and "sensitive" people. It's human nature. The ironic thing is often those who like to cry about racism the most are unconsciously/subconsciously racist themselves. Why? Because to notice and see things that are racist one must have a racist mindset, otherwise they wouldn't even have had a problem to begin with.

    And I don't think those "sensitive people" really care about other's feelings more than just trying to stir up "controversies" for the views for their blogs or websites. Believe me, they're not that noble!
  • Merciful_budah
    So by that logic it is racist for me to take offense to someone calling me a racial slur? Don't know that I can necessarily agree with that. I do agree that many who stir up these sorts of racism debates are just seeking for attention themselves or hiding behind a race card to avoid something else. My point was that grouping ALL people who are Super P.C. about something together and assuming that they ALL THINK AND ACT THE SAME is exactly the same as any sort of prejudice. Many people who are sensitive to these matters have seen racism close-up, or deal with it everyday.

    But again I will reiterate, I really don't disagree with Reebee, Peter, Chris, or Daniel. I'm just saying you can't eliminate Racism from an equation entirely or begrudge everyone who takes offense to something. In all honesty I think making characters look like their ethnicity is a good idea. Better than, say Alladin, where the only character who actually looked and sounded Arabian was the bad guy.
  • soragirl6
    I couldn't agree more, Merciful_budah.
  • benlomand
    Well said.

    10/10
  • Rockie
    i agree.......hats off
  • Daniel
    you tell it like it is and i couldn't agree more!
  • CheshireAna
    Can someone please explain to me WHY exactly Song of the South is seen as such a terribly taboo movie? I've seen it, and found nothing wrong with it. Yes, it depicts slaves working on a plantation. Guess what? Given the time period the movie was set in, and the location, it was totally normal and just historically accurate. Was slavery a terrible, awful thing that never should have happened? Uh, YEAH. However, acting like every depiction of it in a film is an insult to African Americans is just ridiculous. I don't see how the movie is supposed to be offensive, at all.
  • Ditto. I've seen it too and thought it was a great movie that should be able to be enjoyed by more people.
  • uncle remus
    The depiction of slavery is not the complaint about song of the south...its the depiction of slap happy negros content with doing the work for 'massa' all while having the wise old slave willfully and competently conveying strong moral life lessons to the white kids on how to go about life and life free happy fulfilling lives...all while he was still an old slave....THAT is the complaint with song of the south.

    southerners(and really, northerners too) seem to want to believe that African Americans were content and satisfied with being slaves....so OF COURSE they see nothing wrong with a movie that reinforces that belief and has happy tales and moral lessons for the white kids.
  • Marc
    Still, I would love to see the film released to dvd. I mean, it obviously has some classic disney elements including the song Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah as well as the Br'er Rabbit story (later depicted on the splash mountain ride). I feel like I'm missing something considering I know parts of the movie from disney culture, but have actually never seen it.

    Why is it that we can watch Triumph of the Will, but not Song of the South?
  • d.s.Levy
    Actually, the African-American characters in the movie are NOT slaves. The movie takes place during the Reconstruction. We know this because Remus is free to leave the Plantation later in the movie. The former slaves sing and are joyous because they're working for wages, they are "free" for the first time in their lives. Walt Disney felt that was obvious and didn't feel the need to go too into depth (after all, the movie has larger themes in play). He's documented as saying that the purpose of the film was anything BUT racist. However, they use the term "Tar Baby" in the film which is a derogatory name for African-Americans. What I've always found interesting though is that the term was used by Joel Chandler Harris who wrote the books the film is based on and he was himself a black man and son of a former slave (if memory serves). Also, Brer Rabbit learns that by beating on the black child, the proclaimed "Tar Baby," he gets himself in trouble that he barely escapes. Seems that's a decidedly anti-racist moral. Finally, the father of the main character in the film is an abolitionist who spends most of the film in Washington trying to improve the lives of black men, women and children in the South. This role-modeling behavior rubs off on his son because the little white boy never, ever, questions the color of anyone's skin. His best friend in the film is a black child and, what's more, he constantly looks forward to spending time with Uncle Remus. So yeah, the controversy surrounding this film (which was released something like six times in theaters) is just sad. It's a beautiful film! In fact, I think I'm going to go watch my bootleg DVD that I had to get from Europe...where they NEVER banned or censored the film. Hmmmmm...interesting, no?
  • Becky
    This was the best defense of Song of the South I have ever read. I never saw Song of the South as racist either, but I was never able to defend it as well as you just did. I think it's an amazing film that should be re-realized, and I have also had my bootleg version for years. Thank you :)
  • d.s.Levy
    Wow, thank you so much! I first saw the film in 1986, the last time it was in theaters and though I was only nine, I fell in love with the film. When the controversy was being thrown around, I just kind of accepted it and then, when I saw it again as an adult, I was confused. It was at the same time I was studying Joel Chandler Harris in college. I'm so frustrated that Disneyland has a RIDE based on a movie none of the kids who ride Splash Mountain have ever seen. It's such a HUGE shame!

    Thanks again for your compliment! :D
  • TheDaftPunk
    Everything is racist. No matter how true.
  • Daniel
    it is if you choose to look at it with a racist mind.
  • Daryl26
    Ray the Firefly seems more like a stereotype on rednecks than on anything else.
    So maybe it's racist against whites?


    Damn that Disney, always putting the white man down! /sarcasm
  • Josh
    The way I see it, the big problem isn't that it's offensive, more that they're playing obvious stereotypes (redneck, sexy man [the frog], young black girl with 'tude, etc.) rather than coming up with unique spins on old ideas (both annoying young boy and grumpy old man in UP). While, of course, we have to wait for the film to see how well developed they are, the voices are a little much (especially Ray).

    Also they completely stole the plot from the twist in SHREK.
  • helicopters
    that's just stodgy writing. a cliched character should be just considered a cliche, not a racist stereotype.
  • BrendonConnelly
    Regarding the twist - the source story here predates Shrek by a very long time.
  • Josh
    But in this version she turns into a frog instead of him turning into a person. Just like the princess in Shrek.
  • BrendonConnelly
    Which is JUST like E D Baker's story, the source of this film and something that nicely predates Shrek:

    http://goddesslibrarian.blogspot.com/2006/05/fr...
  • Daniel
    Sadly stereotypes are what people are familiar with and they usually make good stories. Plus new ideas don't always sell, and Hollywood likes to stick to what's been done and proven successful. That's why stereotypes and cliches are used over and over again in Hollywood films. It's sad but true. But I think disney has a very good record of reinventing old stories and make them fresh and unique (Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin etc), so I'm not worried about that at all.

    But what really concerns me, however, is that the whiners are sucking all the fun out of this movie! I just hope Disney doesn't take the good out of the movie just to be PC and try to please everybody. Like you, I rather have a great movie than an PC cleaned-up crap.
  • mutantediez
    Didn't I see this movie already? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIP4WY8FhUk
    Just kidding. I'm sure disney is going to make extra sure to avoid any controversy. While I doubt this movie will live up to the classics, such as Alladin, the little mermaid, mulan, snow white lady and the tramp, the lion king, and such, I am excited to have a new 2d disney movie coming out, and the new orleans setting looks cool. I just hope they don't have any self-parody schtick the clips they've showed made it look like they would
  • IseWise
    Is everything a racial issue here? I see these posts as nothing more than an article to drive traffic to the site and start a flame war. Pathetic.
  • Joe
    Wow... How more idiotic can humanity be..... Why do people think its racist? Wow, you sure as hell didn't see people gripe about Joe Dirt. Thats stereotypical of rednecks.

    When will this country grow up, people like this is the reason our country is so screwed. Stupidity breeds stupidity, you instill idiotic ideas don't be questioning why your kids are idiots.
  • box elder
    yeah white people have a really hard time in the u.s.a. compared to other races. i mean just look at the history of this country and i think you'll agree. i mean who's gonna look out for them poor rednecks? they can't even wear white pillowcases over their heads in broad daylight anymore.(sarcasm)
  • Facebook User
    I don't think anyone on this board is talking about the plight of the white man in the States. The complaint is that people are trying to find racism everywhere suddenly and if things keep up like this movies are going to become a little less enjoyable as everyone from screenwriters to directors/producers spend their time worrying about a minor character being a possible stereotype. In my opinion, if people in the industry start to focus on this issue then the films will become even worse than they already are. Personally, it's not my dream to walk out of a movie saying, "you know? That was just awful, but I couldn't find a single stereotype so I'm pleased."

    And as for the redneck comment, I took Joe's reference to Joe Dirt as a joke to make the point that this whole issue is getting very stupid very fast. I don't think he was making the case for the poor KKK members. By the way, to assume any redneck is a member of the KKK is a bit ridiculous and, dare I say, stereotypical. Not sure if I'm being sarcastic or not. This issue is starting to ruin my smartass sense of humor.
  • box elder
    i guess i'm just tired of people bringing up white stereotypes and saying they're on the same level. the kkk comment was just meant to highlight the history of this country and make the point that at no time was the white man not in power in america(well, except before the mass genocide of native americans at least). so to complain about white stereotypes and say it's the same thing is ridiculous.
    as far as not finding stereotypes in movies well i don't see how that would be a bad thing. i guess people will just have to actually write something real instead of falling back on tired stereotypical portrayals.
  • Facebook User
    Agreed, the absence of stereotypes would be a great thing. But only if they are in fact absent because of inspired writing. I don't think that will ever be the case in Hollywood, though.
  • dracshor
    literature is full of stereotypes, movies and animations are full of stereotypes because life is full of them. people with a certain common factor (be it race, ethnicity, country, religion, political view, occupation, et cetera) will have common traits, more or less identifiable, cliche or stereotypical... cal them what you wish. even with the "unique" or the "genius" you can always find a cliche. so please, as long as you live among humans, do not expect to be rid of stereotypes. i am sure that, when space travel will allow it, should you choose to go live on the moon ,you will be happy and free of all stereotypes all by yourself.
  • werebat
    Box Elder, as an Acadian I would encourage you to do a little research on the history of the Acadian/Cajun people in this land in order to better appreciate why Cajuns might be upset over negative stereotypes. I could tell you a story about an event one of my ancestors lived through that would make you sick (the St-Anne massacre). Acadians (ancestors of the Cajuns) were victims of an ethnic cleansing that left half of them dead and the rest scattered to the four winds.

    That being said, I'm not immediately offended by the Ray character (then again there are those who would say I'm too Americanized to be truly Acadian). He's supposed to be comic relief. I'll reserve judgment until after having seen the film.

    Now a very interesting Disney film would be one featuring Acadian main characters... Though they'd probably just take "Evangeline" and give it a Disney ending, which would be pretty gagworthy for a few reasons.
  • Exactly. I recently watched the last Tyler Perry movie and found it incredibly racist, but it gets a 'clean sheet' because it was directed by a black person. Benjamin Button could be perceived as racist.

    The reason why I found Transformer's to be 'racist' was simply because they made the robots stupid black people to be funny and demeaning. There was no character ark what-so-ever with them.

    I remember the thesis within a recent shareholders meeting which was that the Animation department (now under Lassister due to the pressure) wanted to make a film for an African American girl so that she could have a princess movie. I think this will be great. I've seen more than most of you on this movie and every character is treated with general respect, but alas they are still cartoons and have a range of personality and lovability.
  • sideshowRaheem
    Just watched the clip and there's nothing remotely racist about the character of Mama Odie from what I saw. It seemed completely appropriate for the time period this is based in.
  • brendon cant write
    brendon, why cant you write in words that the normal reader can understand. excuse me, like any person can understand. i have been a loyal slashfilm reader for over two years. but since you have come aboard you have raided our space with you supposedly well written posts which have been ridden with bullshit language and words that may make you sound smart, but really come off as complete bullshit. you write like an amateur English professor, and i find your posts to be intelligible an borderline offensive. i love this site, but hate everything you post. i'm sure you think that you sound smart, but you don't.
  • BrendonConnelly
    Give me some guidance here. What part of this post are you having issue with?

    As regards your comment, its the part that reads "i find your posts to be intelligible an borderline offensive" the hardest to accept. Perhaps if that were in English I'd take your criticisms more seriously.
  • Facebook User
    Brendon, I wouldn't take that hateful response to heart, but then again, you nailed it by asking about the "intelligible" comment. Your writing is fine and I understood it (being a "person" and all).

    Though I do agree with a post above about this site becoming infatuated with racism. I wish the /Film writers would calm down about the issue in general. If I want to read about racism, I'll read a newspaper. Films are escapism (at least the recent films being labelled racist are) and should be judged as such.
  • KingCarlos
    Ease the fuck up - at least he's no Hunter Stephenson.

    Trying to read that man's articles could easily cause a brain aneurism.
  • box elder
    'brendon cant write', if you learn how to read then i'm sure you'll find that reading actually becomes much easier.
  • CyT
    This is why we need the thumbs down button to come back...
  • Brer Human
    "I've seen it, and found nothing wrong with it. Yes, it depicts slaves working on a plantation."

    No it doesn't.
  • uncle remus
    "I've seen it, and found nothing wrong with it. Yes, it depicts slaves working on a plantation."

    No it doesn't.

    ...YES, it does
  • Nic
    You clearly haven't seen the movie. And No, the film does not in fact depict slaves on a plantation. The movie takes place after slavery.

    I don't know what the books do, but the film does not.
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