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Some reviewing critics were irritated when, last year, Paramount screened Iron Man for press without the post-credits scene featuring Samuel L. Jackson. But that was just a kicker, and the movie held together without it. In Japan, Toho is doing something a bit more extreme with screenings of the last film in the 20th Century Boys trilogy. According to Variety, the distributor is showing the film to press…with the last ten minutes cut. Wha?

20th Century Boys - The Last Chapter: Our Flag is the third film in the trilogy which faithfully adapts the manga of the same name. It is one of the biggest film projects ever to come out of Japan, and follows six friends who, as boys in 1969, build a clubhouse and imagine a future in which they must stand up to a band of villains who want to destroy the world. As an adult, one of the boys learns of a cult led by a mysterious figure called only Tomodachi (’friend’) whose evil plans eerily parallel those written as fantasy by the boys decades earlier. In a story that has vague shades of Stephen King’s It (on a much larger scale and, I expect, without all the kids having sex to banish evil) 20th Century Boys looks in on the characters between 1969 and 2017 as they eventually attempt to unmask and stop Tomodachi.

And it’s the identity of Tomodachi that Toho wants to preserve. Supposedly, only ten people knew the true identity of the character while the film was in production and post, as the story was tweaked and revised. (Similar to the ways in which other movie and TV secrets have been preserved — the big Twin Peaks revelation comes to mind.) So the press will see the movie without the revelation so they can’t spoil it for anyone. Which begs the question — if the adaptation is so faithful to the original manga, wouldn’t everyone know the secret already?

I haven’t seen either of the films that are already out (trailers are below) nor have I read the manga. But how could anyone properly review a film without seeing how the end of the story is handled? Imagine sitting through the three Star Wars prequels without even the payoff of seeing Anakin become Darth Vader, or of the Lord of the Rings trilogy without seeing the ring and Gollum destroyed? It’s crazy, and positions the series as a set of movies that just builds up to that one secret; everything else is immaterial.

  • tigersuit
    I think that's a brilliant idea, some critics can't review a film without giving away the entire movie and all the twists.
  • I agree. Brilliant.
  • Yeah I kinda like this idea. If the critic is really excited to see the rest that might give them some perspective in their review.
  • How? That doesn't make any sense.
  • brah
    It makes perfect sense. If the movie stinks they wont care at all about the last 10 minutes. if the movie owned face and then all of the sudden you cant see the last 10 minutes you are going to be a fiend to see those last 10 minutes. thus saying it is a good movie.

    it makes all the sense in the world.
  • No, it really doesn't. If I sat through two hours I'm going to want to know how it ends, because I've invested two hours. That doesn't imply it's any good. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
  • Lawdog
    Blame the critics who don't know when to shut up. People have been waiting God knows how long for this 1 HUGE reveal, and you know at least one idiot would put right in the title of his review: NARUTO IS THE VILLIAN!

    That would piss me off.
  • Great idea!
  • The critics are watching it for free anyway.

    The filmmakers and studio can do whatever they want when providing free screenings for them.
    They obviously thought this through and either assumed that the reviews aren't going to bash the film, or the critics will hate it and and decided they can live with the consequences.

    I don't have much sympathy for the critics in this case.

    Though, I think if I was one of these critics, I probably would refuse to post a review of a film I haven't seen all the way through.
  • WALL-E
    Do you people even understand what film criticism is nowadays? Its not to recommend movies, its a critical analysis of a film after the fact. And without the ending, it is impossible to provide that kind of analysis. Imagine if the /Filmcast crew didn't screen the ending of a film! The spoilers analysis is the best part of the show.
  • professional journalist critics, the one's we all hear about from Rotten Tomatoes and such, always publish their reviews before the movie comes out, so they are more like recommendations.

    critical analysis of films after the fact should be made on websites like this.
  • The
    ^That. Most film "reviewers" or what-not are like half film enthusiast/half journalistic reporter. They're aren't writing papers on film analysis but grading the film on enjoyment.

    I'm perfectly happy that the ending of a trilogy is being saved for the main audience. If it's that big of a suprise... why not?
  • joshi38
    I agree really, if a film were to get a fair review, then the critic should see the entire movie to get a feel for what the movie does. There are many important aspects of a film and they include how the story is handled, how the movie opens and importantly, how it ends. Without knowing the ending, the review cant be as complete (not saying a review should be spoilery, just that the overall feel of the film is predicated on how it is seen throughout, not just from choice bits).

    Really, if they felt that way about keeping the ending a secret, they could have just refused press screenings, many films have done so in the past for whatever reasons.
  • I agree with a holistic review being impossible without the entire film being screened. However, the process is clearly to avoid spoilers, which end up being leaked and read by viewers -- often intentionally, which I can personally vouch for. In that sense, I think that speaks to the care that reviewers and film writers, especially in the online world, should take when writing about films before their release.

    Finally, I'm so glad you posted this, Russ. In my opinion, 20th Century Boys is one of the best manga ever created, and I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT TO ALL OF YOU. The films, so far, have been nowhere--not even the slightest iota--close to the sublime genius, narrative power, and emotional thrill of the manga. The themes of nostalgia, friendship, and lost dreams are wonderfully explored in this series. It's both poignant and, at heart, an adventure story. I can't wax enough about it. Just do yourself a favor, and PLEASE read it now: http://www.onemanga.com/20th_Century_Boys/1/
  • Spooky
    I would beg you to buy that book, since VIZ is publishing it now!
  • I agree with a holistic review being impossible without the entire film being screened. However, the process is clearly to avoid spoilers, which end up being leaked and read by viewers -- often unintentionally, which I can personally vouch for. In that sense, I think that speaks to the care that reviewers and film writers, especially in the online world, should take when writing about films before their release.

    Finally, I'm so glad you posted this, Russ. In my opinion, 20th Century Boys is one of the best manga ever created, and I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT TO ALL OF YOU. The films, so far, have been nowhere--not even the slightest iota--close to the sublime genius, narrative power, and emotional thrill of the manga. The themes of nostalgia, friendship, and lost dreams are wonderfully explored in this series. It's both poignant and, at heart, an adventure story. I can't wax enough about it. Just do yourself a favor, and PLEASE read it now.
  • Thanks Russ for reminding me how fucking odd some parts of the book It was.
  • We don't need critics anymore. We have Twitter.
  • Geez, that's freaky.

    I think this is stupid. It ruins the point of reviewing the movie as a whole. Might as well just hold the movie from the critics entirely, it wouldn't be the first time.

    Something tells me that Fox is pissed that they haven't come up with this before.
  • I absolutely LOVED the first "20th Century Boys" film which came out in December. I watched it in March on DVD and though it was brilliant. I went out and bought all the manga and have been read through volume one. I can't wait to see the second and third films and I for one think that what Toho is doing is great. This is one story that where prior knowledge of what's going to happen would kill it. I have deliberately refused to watch the subsequent trailers for the next two films because of this. No spoilers for this! It would kill it!
  • Egger Buckland
    Fairly idiotic. Why bother screening the film in the first place? If this happened in the US I imagine they'd get slaughtered in the press.
  • If the story is worth telling, spoilers can't kill it.
  • Lawdog
    6th Sense? Tell me it wasn't a completely different movie the 2nd time you watched it. Still good, but you watch it in a completely different frame of mind.
  • tropicana
    WTF is a manga????
  • Lawdog
    It's a tropical fruit often found on mysterious, time-shifting islands. Or is that a mango? Manga, mango, close enough.
  • Mza
    If I didn't see the last 10 minutes of the first movie in this series, I might have liked it better.

    No, make that the first 2 hours. Terrible, just terrible.
  • shadow
    Imagine if you couldn't you watched the entire Momento film or Fight Club and you didn't get to see the ending.

    Yeah this is stupid, don't bother screening it if you don't want the ending spoiled.
  • Lawdog
    I'd love to see what kind of box office numbers this does when it opens.
  • Cause you're a professional analyst of box office stats in Japan?
  • mike
    They shouldnt screen movies for critics at all! They hurt the movies' potential at the box office.
  • Funny, Twin Peaks is exactly the comparison that came to mind for myself also when I was reading about this.
  • << Imagine sitting through the three Star Wars prequels without even the payoff of seeing Anakin become Darth Vader, or of the Lord of the Rings trilogy without seeing the ring and Gollum destroyed? >>

    That would indeed be terrible — for a fan/audience member. But the line between audience and critics has become so thin, with every person who owns a domain name (and many who don't) demanding to be taken seriously as critics, that we shoudn't be surprised it's come to this. There are too many "legitimate" critics out there to trust them with privileged information. This is just the price of an era where every fan is "in the business."
  • Egger Buckland
    Here's the thing: fans are not "in the business". They are fans. I don't think the problem is in finding the divide between fan and critic - but are the studios just too lazy to make that distinction? Toho seems to be.
  • Lawdog
    You're right. Fans aren't "in the business." We're just the ones who get screwed by that 1 idiot "in the business" who decides to spoil a franchise that's been setting up a big reveal for several years.

    Sorry, I'm firmly on the studio's side on this one. If the critics are that upset that they won't get to see the finale a week before everyone else, then they can refuse to review the movie. I don't think the studio cares. By the 3rd film in a trilogy, the audience is already set.
  • Well imagine a review of The Sixth Sense without the reveal that Bruce is a ghost? Pointless.
  • I think it's a funny idea to protect the ending, but if I was a critic I wouldn't write a review without seeing the whole thing.
  • Master P
    I'm with this guy. If only those damned critics could just like all films equally, then everyone would be happy.
  • I have to agree with most people that this isn't really that big of a deal. The movie is what it is, without the ending. I'm willing to bet there are plenty of critics whose reviews have been shaped quite a bit by how they felt about the final 15 minutes of a film.

    The movie is what it is and the story should be worth retelling with or without the ending; it goes both ways there. There is definitely some inherent frustration there simply as a viewer, but that's the job, eh?
  • Matt
    If they had tried this with Brazil, it would've been a completely different movie.

    The thing is, Studios would only want to do this with films with significant twists. Twists matter. Think of the Sixth Sense. Fight Club. Brazil. Any of a number of other movies that are fundamentally changed by the very very end. And those changes are critical to understanding the film.
  • Spooky
    I read the whole series and, considering the fact that Urasawa (creator) is involved, can only guess that he tries to give an more satisfying answer to the question raised in the series. The end of the series was very vague and basically raised more questions than it answered. Which, by the way, gave fans a chance to theorize the sh*t out of this, however along with heap of critism. So, I would guess two things:
    1. They changed the ending to make it clearer
    2. They just being tease in order to lure fans into watching the movies, because the first one was a let down
  • Raey
    nope, they don't need to see the whole film to write a review or recommend a film to a potential audience... that's the only reason why they are seeing it in advance, to promote the film... if a critic wants to give a complete review of the film or give it consideration for say an award, then they can wait till it is done playing in the cinemas, it will still be the same film in twelve months.
  • Reign
    That's a fantastic idea! I prefer the reviews of critics that are either more objective (I can decide if I like the film, I just want to know what the film is sometimes) or if they are reviewing incomplete material to hype me for something in production. More often than not a review has given away the ending and completely ruined movies for me. The Fountain and Paprika were most recently spoiled by overly subjective reviews which literally spelled out the end of the film. Just give me some background and food for thought on the film, your opinions are secondary to that.
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