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I was looking at the official website for Terminator Salvation, and found myself looking at the credit list on the bottom of the site. Yeah, the PG-13 MPAA logo is there, but we already confirmed the rating to be true. What I noticed was that the official “written by” credits for the film have been awarded to John Brancato and Michael Ferris.

This is interesting because McG has been touting substantial rewrites by The Dark Knight screenwriter Jonathan Nolan and Crash scribe Paul Haggis in interviews and convention appearances. We know that Haggis did a rewrite and that Jonah was brought on to do an overhaul of the script in an effort to convince Christian Bale to come on board  the project. Nolan was also supposedly on set for most of the production, doing rewrites scene by scene. At a press conference at Comic Con 2008, McG even referred to Jonathan as “the lead writer of the film.” When asked if Nolan would receive screenwriting credit for his work, McG responded “I don’t know how the WGA rules work but honest to goodness, we did the heaviest lifting with Jonah.”

Being a credited writer on a studio film project means you can make more money through residuals. John Rogers has called Residuals “the only candy [screenwriters] get in the studio system.” Bottom line is that if Jonathan Nolan substantially changed the story, he deserves credit and residuals (which in a film like this could be a pretty large sum). I have no idea if the credits have even been brought to WGA arbitration (one would have to assume so), but the new credits with “John Brancato and Michael Ferris” are featured on the official film website.

Some commenters have pointed out that early theatrical posters have incorrectly attributed “written by” credits because the issue was still in WGA arbitration. So it is still possible that the credits could change before the film is released on May 24th. Also, a book could be written about the Writer’s Guild of America’s arbitration process and how many believe it to be flawed. They value overall story changes over dialogue, tone, and character, while others insist that it is a political game.

Also, I want to be clear that I’m not calling WB or the WGA out for not crediting Nolan. That is not the point of this posting. We really have no idea how much Nolan has contributed to the script, and chances are he didn’t provide the neccessary 51% to get a credit. It’s more than likely that McG was overselling Nolan’s contributions as a selling point in a Dark Knight crazy world. And if that’s true, can you blame him?

  • Kelt
    Isnt this what happened with Incredible Hulk?

    Norton rewronte almost the entire script yet only Zak Penn was credited...
  • Jupiter
    Norton didn't rewrite the entire script.
  • Tucker
    The unfortunate thing is that completely subjective look at how much a writer's work actually affects the story. If you completely alter events, create new characters, invent all new settings and set pieces, they'll credit you with being the writer. If the general events of the story exist from one script to another, in generally the same timeline, regardless of how much work a writer did to craft the story that appears on-screen, they dick you over and say it was merely a dialogue polish.

    Just another example of how unions help you and hinder you all in one fell swoop.
  • I have no idea how the WGA works, they're rules are all over the place. There's obviously something preventing Nolan from getting a credit, but what could it be? Sometimes there's a certain time and percentage you have to spend on a script, but who knows what's going on here.
  • I have no idea how the WGA works, their rules are all over the place. There's obviously something preventing Nolan from getting a credit, but what could it be? Sometimes there's a certain time and percentage you have to spend on a script, but who knows what's going on here.
  • I remember reading George Clooney went fi-core with the WGA when they denied him a writing credit on "Leatherheads", even though he did a page-one rewrite himself.

    Just seems like the WGA is out to screw their own constituents, no?
  • subtractone
    That's awesome. George Clooney is on a high horse. What a primadonna. That speech he gave at the 2006 Oscars was disgusting. He's so disconnected from everyone outside of Hollywood. In the words of Family guy, George Clooney "insists upon" himself. He's so narcissistic and needy of attention. I'm sure he's thinking about an Ocean's 14 just for sake of hanging out in front of a camera and calling it "filmmaking". As for Jonathan Nolan, hopefully they slap his name onto the credits of the actual film.
  • I don't know if this really matters yet, Peter. Some early posters for "Enemy of the State" said written by Aaron Sorkin. The movie did not credit him.
  • GregoryV
    Doesn't this stuff happen all the time? Welcome to Hollywood.
  • Josh
    Edward Harrison was one of the credited screenwriters for The Incredible Hulk. Edward Harrison is Edward Norton.
  • Sev
    i...ummm...didnt know that, and i...learned something today
  • Yeah, I didn't know that either. His full name is Edward Harrison Norton. Learn something new everyday, huh?
  • Bullshit. Everybody knows Edward Norton is Tyler Durden.
  • If this was viewed strictly as a financial situation and not as a who-deserves-credit but as who-needs-money, which writers should get the written credits?
  • Josh
    It sounds like from everything McG has said it should be Paul Haggis and Jonah Nolan.
  • If he didn't alter enough of the script to warrant the credit (51% is the going rate these days), I have no issues with Jonathan Nolan not getting a credit. He doesn't get a credit on name recognition alone. No one knows the extent to which his rewrites lead to Bale actually signing on and to suggest one should deserve a larger credit based on conjecture is retarded.
  • Bluelouboyle
    Shawn Ryan (of The Shield) also spent a few weeks working on the script. Where's his credit?
  • luke_test
    Did he work as a script doctor though?

    If so, I think they just get paid a lump sum for their work and know that they won't get WGA credit?
  • Perhaps McG was playing up the contributions of Nolan and Haggis because people were skeptical about him delivering a decent movie. I think the sweet motorcycle jump shown in the trailer has calmed those fears.
  • I think McG might have been talking it up a little.

    He's been exaggerating since day one.
    First he said the movie got the blessings of James Cameron. He did that to excite older Terminator fans. That claim was denied by Cameron himself. He did not give his "blessings".

    Then he said there is topless shot of Moon Bloodgood and he was working his ass off to get that R rating. He did that to also excite fans, especially of the older series, which was R rated. We know now the film has been rated PG-13.

    He's been saying that The Dark Knight co-writer, Johnathan Nolan, has done extensive re-writes of the script to satisfy Christian Bale's demands of making it less reliant on special effects (who knows if that statement is completely true). He did that to excite fans about the quality of the film. It now seems that Nolan might not have even done enough to get a writing credit (that may not be the case later on, but from McG's prior history in exaggerations, it's hard not to assume).

    So McG has been talking it up exaggerating facts to increase anticipation for this film, and in reality all three of these statements had definitely increased anticipation for this film. Anticipation from fans is something that was needed since McG's name is not a friendly name to fans because of his prior directing experience.
    I'm not saying the film is going to be bad, but this all seems to be some desperate marketing (which is understandable). It's just something to think about.
  • Lpfanaddy
    Yeah, he wants to be the new Michael Bay I guess and just circulate lie after lie about his films.
  • jason B
    i'm hoping this all turns out to be a big mistake, i'd hate to think of nolan being treated that way, or of mcg lying.
  • John
    Why would you be even remotely surprised by McG lying? He's a talentless hack. A lying talentless hack.
  • Infrafan
    I'm leaning towards McG talking it up, much like I believed he never intended the film to be R rated as well.
  • filmkid
    this is old news on IMDB it was comfirmed that Jonathan Nolan is uncredited as screenwriter. even Edward Norton was uncredited for The Incredible Hulk.

    i believe McG wanted a R-Rated movie but WB was trying to force for a P-13 cause of the disappointment of Watchmen. basically Watchmen killed some R-Rated movies at WB. Watchmen was a good movie but it did have a helping on killing Terminator Salvation to be R-Rated.
  • Final Word
    Will you people ever stop whining about PG-13? Jesus, you sound like ten year olds. The movie looks cool.
  • "But, but, but ... boobs."
  • Sev
    How does Jesus sound like 10 year olds?
  • Thrillhouse
    Does Paul Haggis have to have his fingers in every pie? I wouldn't care, except he suuuuucks.
  • Sev
    just the more i hear about this movie the more i think i will be disappointed. I'm not just try to nag and be an angry nerd. I am going to see it, and i bet it will be a fun movie with awesome action scenes. I just know i am going to walk out thinking, "man, it would have been so good if they only......".
  • Hi Peter

    I have an idea. Why not ask for them instead of speculating?
  • Palmer
    The WGA can make some people mad when it comes to stuff like this when crediting writers.
  • Well that doesn't seem very fair at all. They should definitely credit Nolan if he did some "heavy lifting" to the script which the director has publicly stated.
  • Justin Craig
    Welcome to the world of the WGA.
  • it happens all the time. Many screenplays are always rewritten by a team of writers, but they aren't given credits. However, they do get a nice paycheck out of it.
  • whowhatwhere
    Who gives a sh** this movie will be disastrous. It might be just a few notches better than Terminator 3. Just a little though. The first clue is the little kiddie rating they gave it. PG-13? You gotta be kidding me. And yes I know a movie doesn't have to be rated R to be good,..aka The Dark Knight blah blah blah..This is a F***king TERMINATOR MOVIE that's showing the actual WAR WITH THE MACHINES! It has to be gritty and dark and bloody and have no PG restrictions. And yes I am pissed that the Moon Bloodgood naked scene has been cut out. I want the movie complete and untampered with. We're getting a watered down piss poor excuse for a Terminator film so I will not be like the rest of the sheep out there and waste my money..nuff' said
  • joshi38
    From what I remember on what happened with The Incredible Hulk, this is a dialogue issue, if Nolan didn't write a good percentage of the dialogue, then he isn't credited (stupid rule, but it's there).

    That said, I could be wrong and plus they're likely still working on it, bur if Nolan has done as much work as McG is saying he did, he deserves a decent cut.
  • Why are you asking me that?
  • McG with the old bait-n'-switch
  • McG knows how to hype up a film, he's been doing it this whole time for Terminator Salvation. I just hope his words can be backed up by the quality of the film.
  • Mathieu
    Is this a final poster? Because surely James Cameron/Gale Anne Hurd would legally have to have a 'based on characters created by' kind of credit? Also, have Stan Winston Studio decided to keep that name after all (I hope so) or was work commenced on this project prior to to them deciding to change it to whatever generic forgettable thing they went for in the end?
  • I'm thinking the WGA sucks because they did the same thing to Edward Norton last year for Incredible Hulk. Also, I had no idea that they had to write over 51% to be credited. If this story stays true, this sucks for Jonathan Nolan.
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