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What’d be wrong with a nice, well-paid gig on a superhero picture? It turns out that not only has Shawn Levy, director of Night at the Museum and the upcoming Date Night, vowed never to make a superhero film but that Ron Howard turned down to opportunity to direct both a Spider-Man and a Batman picture. Quotes from the pair of them coming up.

Levy was attached to the long in-development Flash movie, much to the chagrin of fans. Then, after eight months or so of development time, he ditched. Why? To devote more time to his “own franchise”, the Night at the Museum films. He’s been discussing this choice with MTV. He’s also used the interview to play down any possibility of him directing a superhero film in future.

You know what? It’s not a yearning for me. It’s a thing I’d love to try my hand at, but as I look at the work of guys like Favreau, Nolan and Zack Snyder, it occurs to me that there are guys who are genuinely naturals at those sort of films. And I may or may not have that muscle.

Should he ever sign up for a superhero film in future, the internet geek-gestalt is going to drag this quote up and nail him to it.

In earlier days of cinema the medium was absolutely saturated with westerns. This is sometimes forgotten now, and many of those westerns will rarely be seen again (some of them literally never, I’d guess - not from start to finish). The comic book medium suffered a similar plight and, to a far larger extent than film, still does. For decades it seemed virtually synonymous with the superhero genre.

Thankfully, comics’ public image is changing, if only at a glacial rate. Curiously, though, the superhero virus infecting mainstream cinema is insanely promiscuous. The very large minority of blockbuster-budget pictures are already cape-and-mask capers, and I think the trend is fairly likely to continue until they constitute a majority of super-funded pictures.

Ron Howard also made the MTV Splash Page after appearing on Bill Maher’s Real Time.

I’ve had a chance at some things that I knew would be successful but I also knew that I probably wouldn’t do a very good job. I had a chance Batman years ago and Spider-Man and Harry Potter.

Maher rolled in with:

You passed on a pile of money there. Good for you. Those are comic book movies and they’re all alike. I hate it when somebody says Catwoman was a piece of shit but Spider-Man is genius. It’s the same goddamn story. I’d much rather watch Catwoman ’cause I get to look at Halle Berry the whole movie. They’re all for children.

What a disappointing conversation. Firstly, I’m disappointed - though not the slightest bit surprised - that Maher has expressed a blanket disdain for an entire genre. He’s very, very often spouting absolute nonsense but not always. Secondly, I’m disappointed that, well, it takes the refusal of Ron Howard to stop him getting his hands on Spider-Man and Batman. Again, I’m not surprised but, frankly, had Howard directed either of those instead of Sam Raimi and (we’re probably going back far enough for this one) Tim Burton, we’ have lost some of the most interesting blockbuster movies of the last twenty years or so.

There’s some kind of consensus opinion that a director well suited to a superhero film is a director who loves the source material. I don’t agree with that at all. The right director is, plainly and simply, a good director. A director who can take the material and make something good from it. I don’t care if they give Spider-Man parents or Batman a wife as long as the resulting film is well made, intelligent, engaging and has something to say.

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  • Bill Maher is an idiot.
  • Why has no one made the Ang Lee Hulk Argument? He's a great director and is one of the few that had an opportunity to make a great Superhero film but someone didn't cash in on the success. his Hulk film isn't that bad but it's no where near the quality of the latest Hulk film. Lee knows how to make a good film but he can't make a good Superhero film and I think a studio or a producer would think twice before asking him to try his hand at that genre again.
  • Usual Suspect
    I disagree that a good director is all a comic book movie needs. Sometimes it gives mixed results

    Look at Bryan Singer.
  • edc
    to those that doubt the existence of a higher power;

    the guy who directed night at the museum said he won't make a superhero / comic book movie.
  • Willl Smithh
    You know, some people direct movies because of a PASSION for filmmaking, instead of money.

    Crazy, huh?!
  • freemachine
    Some lines should never be crossed. I think that particular costume bestows upon anyone who wears it the title of tool, without further qualifications. There are other things about him that I don't like but can ignore, such as the fact that he's a misogynist.
  • Seriously. Thank you. It's like saying energy drinks aren't soda.
  • Greggory Basore
    A fact which had been proved over a decade earlier by Alex Proyas when he directed "The Crow"
  • Matt
    You're really fucking annoying.
  • jdubs
    Comic book movies can be alright - but it's not that they are the same story, the problem lies with (to quote a fan of them on this forum) "Spiderman and the Dark Knight were watched and enjoyed by people of pretty much every age and gender." That is actually a huge problem - the studios rely on making movies that will appeal to the widest audiences and the audiences that see movies most - namely teenagers. Therefore, everything needs to be dummed down and made generic. You could just as easily say "McDonalds and Burger King are eaten and enjoyed by people of pretty much every age and gender." It doesn't mean it's good food, or memorable. Studios don't take chances any more, and they are now run by corporations who measure success by profit alone. I could list 50 movies off the top of my head that were better than Dark Night and the rest - none of which could be made today because they didn't have blockbuster potential. And while Heath Ledger was great in Dark Night was he a better villain than Alexender DeLarge in A Clockwork Orange or Henry Hill in Goodfellas? I don't think so. When Hollywood gets some balls they will start making movies for adults again - ones who grew up reading books and not just graphic novels.
  • Trust me Shawn, you don't have the muscle. But at least you have the decency to stay away from comic movies unlike Tim Story and Mark Steven Johnson. Thank God he didn't get to destroy Preacher.
  • I don't know why people are referring to comic books as geeky, childish endeavors but they're posting on a film nerd website.

    You just replaced 'comic book' with 'movie'.
  • Pixar is goofy. Star Trek is goofy. Star Wars is goofy. Singing in the Rain...goofy. Why can't a movie be goofy? Spider-Man 2 is one of the tightest, most entertaining movies of all time(in my opinion). I honestly hate the effect that TDK had the film nerd community. Now every douchebag thinks a superhero needs to be a dark, brooding character, because Bruce Wayne was the first guy to have dirty thoughts in the history of cinema.

    As for Bill Maher, it's crazy how ignorant this guy is. He's more ignorant than the christians he bashed in Religulous.
  • Chris
    I can understand what Maher is saying and I think it is pretty much right. There are really very few exceptions, including movies like Batman Begins, but even when I watch those I realize I am satisfying my inner child ha. However that doesn't mean these movies can't have sophisticated themes and one might calim that Maher is suggesting that fantasy is simply for children. But he is not saying this and with respect to the film genre of Comic Book Movies, the majority are incredibly bad. Really, really, really awful.
  • AkexG
    I agree wuith Maher. I'm fed up with all these comic books movies. I stopped reading comics when I was 12 and grew up. All these 30 year old comic book virgins need to get out from their parents basement and get laid
  • I think perhaps there's another reason why directors don't want to do comic book movies, one they're afraid to say - comic book geeks are notoriously fickle.

    You so much as change the direction of Clark Kent's curl on his forehead and you'll have a gaggle of geeks cursing the day you were born. It's impossible to please the book's built-in audience and so some directors may not want to contend with that.

    It seems that lately fanboys have been willing to back off (I haven't seen many complaints about the changed ending in Watchmen), so that may be why just recently the quality of comic book movies has improved, certain directors are more willing to take liberties with the properties.
  • UomoRagno
    Then let Favreau and Nolan keep doing what they are doing. To each his own. I don't even see why this is much of a story.
  • dagreenman18
    There are no bad genres, only bad directors.

    also, Bill? what the fuck man? how could such a smart guy say something so ignorant?
  • Infrafan
    Maher just needs to piss off another demographic. I wasn't excited that Shawn Levy was doing The Flash, but I admire him finally passing because he wasn't into the project. Same with Ron Howard. I'd rather see movies he wants to make rather than attempts at ones he doesn't have his heart into. That's the difference between not only good movies, but good comic book movies as well.
  • Maher comes off like a huge douche with that quote. Spiderman and the Dark Knight were watched and enjoyed by people of pretty much every age and gender.

    That said, a superhero movie directed by either Ron Howard or Shawn Levy would be a catastrophical faliure, I'm pretty sure.
  • I think that they could make a good movie in tone and with a message but it would ultimately fail like the first Hulk film. I talk more about this in an earlier comment down below.
  • Yeah, that's a good point. Perhaps a not-so-standard comic book movie, like Unbreakable or Hancock you mean? A Beautiful Mind was great, and a superhero movie with the same themes or whatever, could be really cool imo.

    And I, like you, believe that Hulk is not a great movie, but underrated. The biggest problems with Hulk was the writing and the CG. So Ang Lee is not really the one to blame for that I think.
  • Ang Lee is definitely not the one to blame. He's one of the only few that actually tried to make a Superhero film and wasn't really known for it. I hope you know what I mean by that. But anyway, he tried and failed at the Box Office. His version of Hulk was good because he tried alot of things that were different and new at the time. he also made the movie about a Father and Son struggle.

    Ang Lee can make a good movie, but he shouldn't try his hand at Superhero movies anytime soon.
  • Bill Maher is an idiot.
  • freemachine
    Bill Maher is a tool. He dressed up as a sting-ray-impaled Crocodile Hunter for Halloween.
  • Tom
    Worse yet, he did it long after Irwin's death was news. Maher is a sad, annoying and unfunny little prick. I'm as liberal as it gets and I cannot stand the man.
  • ...That's why he's a tool? His Halloween costume?
  • "There’s some kind of consensus opinion that a director well suited to a superhero film is a director who loves the source material. I don’t agree with that at all. The right director is, plainly and simply, a good director."

    Tim Burton has certainly vocalized disdain towards comics and many were pleased with his Batman movies.
  • EricR.
    The only reason why he hates comics is because he said he can't figure out which frame to read next and it confuses him. Pretty poor excuse to shit on comic book properties especially when a lot of them have more intriguing story and plot lines than some of his movies.
  • Oh, I'm no defender of Burton especially on this topic, I was merely bringing him up as support for the piece of the post that I quoted.
  • Brendon, quoting Maher? Seriously?

    Come on dude. You could quote anyone and their view on comic movies for that. Maher is the same guy who sides with Ann Coulter on his own show because she's his "friend".
  • I've actually found someone worse than Gajonka. And it's you.
  • Gregory -
    Bill Maher is not a movie critic. He doesn't typically talk about movie on his show, so you can't expect him to have seen Oldboy. Not that I think what he said was right.
  • Matt
    Sin City wasn't exactly obscure.
  • I agree with Maher, Spiderman was such a goofy, cheesy, awful movie franchise and not any different from Catwoman. Both same, lame, predictable stories with "WE'LL SAVE THE DAY!" superheros. How boring and lame. But he's being unfair on superhero (or comic) movies. The Dark Knight has proven that a superhero movie can be a well-crafted, dark movie with no goofy elements. Oh, TDK also has such an unpredictable ending, defying the norms of a Hollywood blockbuster film.

    Anyway, I say more power to these directors for passing up superhero movies. If they feel that they can't fully commit themselves to it, then it's better to leave the project up to someone else with more enthusiasm, like Jon Favreau.
  • Usual Suspect
    Much like Spider-Man, Sin City and Batman.. I wont be suprised if something else comes along and in 10 years we view Dark Knight as an overrated movie. So I dont think you can cite on film to another when it really depends on the time and evolution point of the genre
  • Now, I liked The Dark Knight, but is the ending really that unpredictable? One bad guy goes to jail, the other one dies, Batman continues to be an outcast. Hardly unconventional.

    And what's wrong with a goofy superhero? I liked the first two Spiderman movies alot. And Iron Man fits into the same mold. A comic book movie doesn't need to be all dark and brooding to be good.
  • nothing wrong with a goofy superhero, i suppose, but it's nothing to rave about. TDK defied the norms for a superhero movie and that was when some people thought "hey wow... so it IS possible to make a movie about a superhero and make it dark, moody and gritty!"
  • Mecline
    Pretty sure that movie was Batman Begins.
  • EricR.
    I guess it really depends on what the movies is aiming to accomplish. Chris Nolan's Batman franchise was a work that wanted to explore the philosophy of the human psyche and soul while at the same time give exciting drama as well. While the previous movies were more geared toward action and focual plot devices. In regards to goofy superhero movies I think it serves its purpose when it comes to my kids, something to just watch and enjoy with them, in that aspect is achieves a purpose.
  • I agree with Maher, Spiderman was such a goofy, cheesy, awful movie franchise and not any different from Catwoman. But he's being unfair on superhero (or comic) movies. The Dark Knight has proven that a superhero movie can be a well-crafted, dark movie with no goofy elements.

    Anyway, I say more power to these directors for passing up superhero movies. If they feel that they can't fully commit themselves to it, then it's better to leave the project up to someone else with more enthusiasm, like Jon Favreau.
  • GregoryV
    Maher sucks balls. He is right, they're all the same goddam story or maybe because Marvel likes to recycle them. All for children? I guess he hasn't seen 'History of Violence,' 'Oldboy,' or 'Sin City."
  • those are not superhero films. Sin City and History of Violence were based on graphic novels, so they're more accurately called "comic book movies." Oldboy was based on a manga, was it?
  • Greggory Basore
    Actually the Sin City movies were based on comics not graphic novels. Each of the three and a half stories in the movie were published as comic books before being collected into trade paperback editions.

    And to echo young Zero, there's not much difference between comics and graphic novels. It's a matter of length. Comics are done in small doses that generally leave you hanging for the next one, while graphic novels tell a much longer and often self contained story.
  • Maher didn't say "superhero films" were all the same, he said "comic book movies" were all the same.
  • There is no real difference between a graphic novel and a comic. People say graphic novel when they are ashamed to say that they are reading comics.
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