Reader Forum: Why Do You Read End-of-Year Top 10 Lists?

A few weeks ago, I was chatting with a webmaster for a fellow movie website who was voicing his distaste for lists that featured “Top 2008″ movies drastically different from what other critics picked. To him, these types of lists smacked of opportunism and a crass desire to be different for the sake of being different. At the time, I agreed with him. In fact, when I heard Filmspotting give their top 10 movies of 2008 (This is a great episode of an always-great podcast and I highly recommend you give it a download. Full disclosure: I make an appearance in voicemail form to defend Slumdog Millionaire), I was struck by how Michael Phillips from the Chicago Tribune derogatorily explained that 2008 was overall a lackluster year for movies, then proceeded to list 10 movies that most of the moviegoing public hasn’t had a chance to see yet (i.e. some were films he saw in 2007 at festivals like Cannes). On a visceral level, such lists are frustrating because they perpetuate the idea that the critic knows better than the lay filmgoer (if there is such a thing). The choices sound pretentious because they imply access to a whole slate of films that the are inaccessible to the general public. But upon further consideration, I think it’s safe to say that while there are some critics who create these lists purely out of a spirit of contrarianism, more often than not, we’re just demonstrating our idiosyncrasies as film critics/reviewers.

This Monday night, the /Film podcast is going run through our favorite movies of 2008. It’s a fun tradition, and one that actually got us started talking about movies together in the first place. But this year, the tenor of conversation surrounding critics’ lists seems to me more poisonous than in years past. Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room, of course: Most web readers are essentially evaluating lists based on two criteria: 1) Does it have The Dark Knight on it? and 2) how high is The Dark Knight on the list? If the answer to both these questions is favorable, lavish praise will follow. The absence of Nolan’s film on lists will invite obscene insults of the strongest caliber.

But this led me to wonder: Why exactly do people read these lists anyway?

Earlier this week, Salon film critic Stephanie Zacharek published her list of “The 10 Best Movies of 2008.” I won’t reproduce the list here, but it has picks that I probably agree with (e.g. Iron Man), while featuring other picks that are a bit unconventional (e.g. Cadillac Records, Ghost Town). Perhaps more interesting were the movies she put on her “Honorable Mentions” list: Transporter 3, You Don’t Mess with the Zohan, The House Bunny, Twilight and High School Musical 3 (For my money, Transporter 3 isn’t even in the top 2 Transporter movies for me, so to see it make Zacharek’s list of Honorable Mentions of 2008 was utterly baffling. Also, Twilight?!).

Overall, the reaction to Zacharek’s list was unkind on Zacharek’s own comment board. Here is a taste of some of the hatred spewed forth by her readers:

Stephanie: I’ve hated your reviews for a long time because you trashed La Vie en Rose, and because I have spent hundreds of dollars watching miserable crap you’ve praised time after time. I’ve been following your reviews intently to see if you are crazy or simply a pretentious douchebag. Now, you publish this list and it’s obvious that you are both. You are also the sorriest excuse for a critic I’ve ever seen. I guess I’ll stick to reading Andrew [O'Hehir's]’s reviews and only Andrew’s reviews and wonder how can Salon employ you. Maybe they are douchebags as well who watched Twilight and You Don’t Mess With The Zohan gleefully while clipping their toenails and abusing their Blackberries (or iPhones) in the darkness of the multiplex. Steph, with all due respect to you as a person… you’re just the worst critic out there

You are kidding!!! You really screwed up. Why would anyone think you know the best movies. I can think of several that are better than most of the ones you listed.

Get a new film reviewer before it’s too late - With all due respect Stephanie Zacharek, she has to be the least credible film critic in the top notch press. She apparently has a driving need to distinguish herself from other critics by placing such extraordinary films as Twilight and Hellboy 2 on her top ten of 2008. I also admired her inclusion of a film that has yet to be released, which proves she is in the smallest of inner circles. Wow! It’s not that she has a predilection for French movies, but her taste and manner are relatively vapid. She displays little insight in her interviews and is far too personal and narrow. Please get a new reviewer before Salon looses more subscribers. There are much smarter and interesting reviewers out there looking for work. This was, by far, the least impressive listing of top ten movies I have yet seen. Pathetic.

Zacharek’s list also led to a fairly interesting back-and-forth between my colleague Devindra Hardawar and CHUD EIC Devin Faraci on Twitter. Hardawar and I have seen our affinity for Zacharek’s reviews plunge this year, as Zacharek ferociously ripped The Dark Knight but praised other films that we thought were drastically less deserving, like the atrocious X-Files: I Want To Believe. Nonetheless, I’ve always found Zacharek to be a thoughtful viewer and an analytical writer (Steph, if you’re reading this, you’re always welcome on the show! Just shoot me an e-mail).

Hardawar’s reaction to Zacharek’s list was toxic (as was mine, somewhat) but Faraci tried to take a more even-handed approach. “I don’t agree with her list, but it’s nice to see movies that aren’t big studio pap and spoonfed garbage getting listed,” Devin wrote. “Unless you’re going by some weird math equation, any ‘best of’ ranking of art will ALWAYS be wildly subjective.” Faraci is, of course, correct: While we might expect critics to be able to evaluate certain “objective” elements of films in an impartial manner (although even this characterization is fraught with problems), anything a critic says is always going to subjectively reflect the myriad quirky personality traits that make a person who they are. Nowhere is this more clear than in Top 10 Movies lists.

In some ways this argument is a repeat of the debate that was had this past summer when writers like David Edelstein were forced to defend their views on The Dark Knight (see Edelstein’s original review of that film by clicking here). According to Edelstein:

…the Internet has a mob mentality that can overwhelm serious criticism. There is superb film writing in blogs and discussion groups — as good as anything I do. But there are also thousands of semi-literate tirades that actually reinforce the Hollywood status quo, that say: ‘If you do not like The Dark Knight (or The Phantom Menace), you should be fired because you do not speak for the people.’ Well, the people don’t need to be spoken for. And a critic’s job is not only to steer you to movies you might not have heard of or that died at the box office. It’s also to bring a different, much-needed perspective on blockbusters like The Dark Knight.

To this, all I can respond with is: Amen! And while I agree with any critical perspective that goes against the mob mentality of The Dark Knight, I also think that Edelstein’s broader points about the job of a film critic deserve more attention. Why do we read movie reviews? Why do we read top 10 lists?

I think there’s a lot of self-validation at work in these lists. We read these lists because we have strong feelings about films and as social creatures, we like to see our opinions validated. When allegedly respectable people disagree with us, we label their views as inferior. We express mock outrage because it’s fun to rip apart a writer on a message board or comments section. But ultimately, I think all of that misses the point. Lists, reviews, even news items: We should all read these things to be informed, not only about objective reality but also about subjective opinions. How else can our own opinions be refined and improved except in the presence of those that are opposed to ours? As the old adage goes, “Variety is the spice of life.” How boring, monotonous, and oppressive would it be if everyone just had the same opinion on every single film out there?

So in the spirit of Christmas, all I have to ask of you when you’re reading through your favorite critics’ top 10 lists this year is this: Be charitable. Be understanding. Be grateful that we live in a world where diversity of opinion can be cherished and can spawn intellectually challenging discussions. It’s a great big world wide web out there. There’s plenty of room for your opinion too.

Discuss: Why do you read Top 10 lists? Is it to see your own views confirmed? Is it to open your mind to new possibilities (i.e. films you haven’t seen or heard of before)? Or is it a genuine desire to see what a critic you like has to say about his/her favorite films?

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  • Top 10 lists always depend on if you can justify your choices, I can understand leaving TDK out but it depends what has been put ahead of it. Devin left it out of his list and included The Foot Fist Way, which in my opinion, was a poor excuse for a comedy.
  • I read them to see what movies I might have missed that were really good.
  • What he said.
  • joshi38
    You know, if I read the blog/website of certain people who I actually respect, I'll be the first to take issue with something I think is a bit off. I won't go on a tirade about how stupid they are, but just question certain things in healthy debate. But I seriously don't see the point in purposefully following a reviewer who one clearly doesn't like and never agrees with just so they can poke fun at them and "internet yell" at them at every turn. There's something almost morbid about that.

    Really, I think we like and read these types of lists for the same reason we read reviews, we want to know what people think. If we wanted to know what the mass majority thought, we'd look at Box office takings, but sometimes, we get to reading certain people and blogs and enjoying the writing in them, or getting to know the personality of the writer and thus, we want to know what they particularly think of these movies, mostly out of curiosity's sake. For me, Slashfilm is one such blog (although one of a few) because I enjoy the writings and the podcast and have grown to like the people involved, so knowing what they think about movies, whether I agree with them or not is nice for me.

    The same goes for Roger Ebert, I don't know anyone who agrees with him entirely with his reviews and thoughts on movies, but people will hang on to his every word all the same. Lists, I feel are basically the same, we want to know what these people are thinking, how they're ranking the movies they've seen this year, a movie review will hardly ever go into detail of whether it thinks one movie is better than another and lists do that for us, it says things like "Even though I loved The Dark Knight, I loved Wall-e even more" or some such similar, and that helps to quench a similar thirst to know more about our critics.

    In short... it's all about you guys man! Merry Holiday.
  • Tap Zepol
    People love to complain. Its one of those simple pleasures in life, for some its a guilty pleasure, but those people aren't found in the comment sections usually. Then you have the people who are in complaint-denial. They disguise themselves sometimes as crusaders, going against the other complainers because they just couldn't complain about the article since they agreed, but still desperately want to, so they go in and complain about the people complaining about the article. Top ten lists are just quick-shot opinions, easy to read, easy to complain about. Its the easy-mac of internet b!tching.
  • It may sound slightly masochistic but I read them because I know they are likely to anger me. There some part of me that likes to shout out in an indigent manner "WHAT TYPE OF IDIOT PUTS IRON MAN ON HIS TOP TEN BUT NOT THE DARK NIGHT!!!" It makes me feel like I'm smarter then most reviewers sure Roger Ebert may be on TV but he just doesn't recognize the brilliance that was Pride And Glory there for I'm better then him.
  • Danny
    Not to shit in your hat, but maybe you should seek some anger management. It's fine to disagree with someone, but to call them an idiot for not liking the same movies you do is pretty petty. Also, it's good to question yourself from time to time (I try to question my opinions as often as I can - it makes me a more well-rounded and respectable individual). You might want to start with your Pride and Glory claim. First off, it's ridiculous to insult someone for not loving a movie that was almost universally rejected by critics and audiences alike. Chances are, if 70 or 80% of the public finds a movie to be bad and you're arguing against that, it's more likely it's you who's missing something, not them. If reading top ten lists helps you to "qualify" your intelligence over others, it might be time to acquire some medication. Just a thought...
  • Wow dude, I was only joking jeez. Maybe you should acquire some medication to boost your sarcasm receptors.
  • Danny
    Haha, fair enough, man. Although, to be honest, your post read like you were dead serious. But yeah, sorry for the hate - we all know people that actually think like that and it's always fun to put them in their place.
  • yeah, i also thought you were being serious raheem.
  • Anrkist
    Only to find a movie gem that I may have never heard of before. I saw a handful on Ebert's list that looked like they could be enjoyable.
  • igroveman
    To be honest, I never read them any more because they always reflect the often times skewed and personally biased views of the author. It's hard enough hearing a person's opinion one item at a time (one movie at a time), why in the world is it any better to hear them talk about 10 things at a time, with a pretense of having some kind of godlike perspective on what is best from human kind? Every time I read a list I find something on it I painfully disagree with and feel is chosen by pretension or bias towards narrow, personally held views.
  • For the most part I don't read Top 'x' lists. If they are original or from someone I respect I'll read them. Otherwise, I just find them bland, cliche. I use Digg alot so I'm use to seeing lots of top lists and burying them where they lay.
  • To be quite honest, I don't like Top 10 lists. Why? Not because I like seeing a diverse opinion in a subject I love, but because I hate how they are received. One thing that people keep forgetting is that critics are sharing their opinion about a topic. Just like you and me, they have different tastes in things. Some critics like comedy, others detest it, it's all relative. Whenever someone posts a Top Ten List and it doesn't match what the viewer had in mind, it automatically gets called in by a fire squad, causing flame wars and things a like.

    For me, movies are great, and sometimes I don't need to classify which ones were better than the other. I can't say whether The Dark Knight was better than Wall-E because they were both fantastic films. I shouldn't say that In Bruges shouldn't be on anyone's top ten list because I didn't like it, some people share different tastes than I, It wasn't my cup of tea. I can list reasons why I didn't like it, but bottom line is, it's my opinion, if you don't like it, then you have every right to disagree with me. Don't get upset though when I do voice my notion and it differs from yours. If every Top Ten List were similar in nature, then most likely it was a bad year for films, so bad that everyone had a general consensus of what stuck out from the crowd and what didn't.

    I like seeing other peoples opinion and hearing them voice why they felt a certain way. It's natural curiosity. I don't get agitated when someone's opinion differs. I don't get livid when someone disfavors a movie I loved, because we are all going to differ on somethings. I adored Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (and was glad it won Best Original Screenplay), others did not, life goes on. If need be, I'll state why I loved it, then they can state why they didn't. I loved Juno, others don't.

    When summing up a year and someone asks me what are my top films were, I tabulate all the movies I loved, in no general order, and explain why those ones stuck out for me. It usually ends up being more than ten films, but that's because I like to think there are more than just ten films that displayed excellence that year. But that is just my opinion.
  • A.J
    I like lists. No, I love lists. Not because I agree with them. Not because I enjoy reading them. I love lists because they bring some sort of order to a word of chaos. While we're on the subject, my top ten would probably be...

    1. Rachel Getting Married
    2. WALL-E
    3. Slumdog Millionaire
    4. The Dark Knight
    5. Forgetting Sarah Marshall
    6. Hellboy 2
    7. Iron Man
    8. Quantum of Solace
    9. Kung Fu Panda
    10. Charlie Bartlett (you know, RDJ's first movie this year)

    I haven't seen many of the "oscar" films yet, three or four of these will probably be knocked off my list. The top four are really closed and I tinkered with them but the only one that felt right at number one was Rachel Getting Married.
  • A.J
    I forgot to mention that I would easily but Avatar: The Last Airbender: Sozin's Comet at number one, but it wasn't a movie. It's a shame that M. Night Hack will ruin the films even though he has such great source material.
  • Simply to compare to my personal Top 10, even though I never actually write it down. I know what I like, and it's nice to compare tastes to those of others.
  • That is roughly what I was going to say. Since I follow critics, it is always good to match my personal tastes with them. Why would I ready their reviews throughout the coming year if they consistently clashed with my tastes?
  • Read them cause I might of missed a good movie that I don't know about...other than that, I don't care much for critics...
  • I enjoy top 10 lists for the obvious reason of finding out what that particular tastes of that individual. Just because they don't match mine, or David Chen's personal picks doesn't detract from any of the enjoyment. I wish more sites did top 10 lists. Sometimes these things aren't as sinister as you make them out to be, David Chen.
  • Mutantediez
    I haven't seen every movie this year yet but my list so far would be:
    1. The Dark Knight
    2. Wall-E
    3. Iron Man
    4.The incredible Hulk
    5.Cloverfield
    6. Hellboy 2
    7. Tropic thunder
    8. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the crystal skull
    9. Frost/Nixon
    10. Quantum of Solace
  • Take out the fridge, the aliens and the monkeys and Indy would probably have made it to my top 10.

    Crystal Skull > Temple Of Doom
  • Jarryd
    I have to say I like list both to validate my favorite movies of the year as well as decide what I should see when it is release on DVD. I don't get a chance to see many films in the theather so I rely on some of the list as well as award shows to see what may be good to watch when it is on DVD.But what I would like is not only having a "best of" list but "worst of" and "most anticipated" with explaination. If you have a list you need to go balls out or not at all.
  • I do it mostly to get a feeling of what the "oscar" movies are going to be. I disagree with critics a lot so I don't need any validation for my choices. I think critically enough about the movie to know what is drivel and what isn't.

    I also read them to see if there are some movies I haven't seen yet that I should, but usually I know which movies I want to see. Slumdog Millionaire just opened up near me but I can't get anyone to go. Poo.
  • sometimes I check out Top 10 Lists to see if there are any movies that I never heard of. I am always on the look-out for lesser known movies to watch. How many Americans have heard of Majid Majidi? (great Iranian filmmaker) or how about Satyajit Ray? (legendary Indian filmmaker).

    otherwise, I don't care what critics think about movies.
  • Honestly, I have no clue why I read them. And this I actually have found myself not actually reading any or giving a damn. The only year in review stuff I have found myself looking at this year are photos from the news, not movie reviews. Much of that may be born from the fact that I saw more older than newer movies this year, and after my daughter arrived I only have seen two movies in the theater (well, that is excluding BNAT X) anyway.

    I had to snicker at this: "the Internet has a mob mentality that can overwhelm serious criticism. ...And a critic’s job is not only to steer you to movies you might not have heard of or that died at the box office." The unstated assumption being that the critic is above the mob, but the reality is that movie critics themselves have their own form of mob mentality.

    One of the reasons I enjoy Harry Knowles' review so much is that he is unabashedly gleeful in his reviews of movies that can be enjoyed on a fun and thoughtless level. Otherwise there's no way to enjoy the utter silliness of a flick like Jason Vs Freddy. I like interconnectedness and I like movie events, and so I like how a movie a critic hates might have a lot of meaning to me personally. Often a movie is more than about the movie itself. When a "critic" reveals that he has reviewed a screener of a movie, I often find myself giving that review less consideration. I enjoy when Roger Ebert points out that he saw a movie with an audience and how they reacted and how that impacted him as a viewer. Top 10 list rarely take into account a movie going experience and almost entirely focus on personal taste, which is fine as long as you realize the list really is a list of your personal taste in movies and not a mandate to anyone to "SEE THESE MOVIES!"
  • Rob
    What a good explication of the Top Ten lists mentality, about what they are here for. I also enjoy the Filmspotting podcast, and I'm looking at their top ten lists merely as suggestions for what to see. Cause its true what you say, a good amount of those films were(or are) not in wide release, and so I have to look at different places for it, it makes me appreciate the movies a bit more.
  • Great, great article, Dave. Seriously, one of the best I've ever read on the subject. My favorite critic is Nicholas Schager from Slant Magazine and I'm always excited to see his end of the year lists not because to see if I agree with it (I rarely do), but to see so many unseen and unheard of films that I might have missed with such an intelligent perspective instead of the usual fanboy lavish. I like critics that challenge me to be a better movie reviewer instead of reconfirming my own opinions.

    I have a question for you, Dave. What are some of your favorite critics that you feel challenged by?

    My Top Ten List is unfinished, but I have Speed Racer as my #1 and I've already received tons of flak for it, but who cares. I will defend that film dearly because it really opened up my eyes at the creative possibilities filmmaking can offer.
  • As a critic, I'll tell you straight up why I do it: recommendation.

    First, as critics, we do know better than the lay filmperson. We should. We're paid for our knowledge. We can reference entire filmographies, find the origin of a specific shot, and simply spot what the average filmgoer doesn't.

    So if we're the elites, what do we like? If your average filmgoer only has so much time for so many films, what are the must-see films of the last year? What were the achievements in filmmaking and why did these films achieve where others failed?

    My problem with most Top 10 lists is that there's a lot of group-think at work. I think critics may shy away from films they truly enjoyed because that year it's time to celebrate "Milk" or "Doubt". They're both fine films but neither is on my Top 10 list because I'm not trying to create a list of Oscar front-runners. I'm creating a list of films that I think people should check out and that were the ten best films I saw all year. If your average filmgoer only sees ten films in a year and I see around eighty, then clearly, I can make a more discerning list.

    It's not about pretension because I'm not pretending at anything. Using my expertise, I compiled a list of the Top 10 films I saw in the past year. Whether you agree or disagree makes for good conversation and if you missed any, you can add them to your Netflix queue or head out and see them this weekend if they're still in theatres.
  • While I partly agree with what you stated, the notion of you "knowing better" I think is sort of the problem with critics. Sure they get paid to tell you their opinion and do get to see more films than most, but it really is just a recommendation/opinion on your personal beliefs. If you and I were friends and I asked you what movies you liked, you would tell me the same thing, critic or not. It boils down to tastes and who pairs up with you. I wouldn't say you know better, but that you are more in-tuned for what you like. Critics don't speak for the people, they tell the people what they (the critic) thought about a certain topic.
  • It's not just personal beliefs. As I stated below, it's factual knowledge. If a filmmaker drops in a Fellini reference, I can spot it while other can't. I understand what the reference means and why a filmmaker does it. I also understand how difficult it is to make a movie so even a worthless hunk like Uwe Boll deserves some modicum of respect.

    I never claimed to speak for the people. I advise the people. What they do with that advice is their business. If they think they know best, they'll end up seeing "Max Payne" or whatever other film has the highest name recognition/big movie star/highest advertising budget that weekend. That's their business but I tried to warn them.
  • EvilSpy
    That is, I think, the crux of the problem. You assume that "the people" will watch tripe without your guiding light. Which is the same fallacious bullshit so common in musical circles that if something is well known, a la "highest name recognition/big movie star/highest advertising budget," it's necessarily bad.

    Honestly, while "getting" the Fellini reference might help you to get something more out of a movie, not getting it doesn't make another person less capable of enjoying the movie than you. (If it does, I'd argue that the director failed, since a film should be stand on its own without knowledge of unrelated films.)

    I have a degree in English Literature. I'd love to discuss books like The House of Leaves, The Floating Opera, and the differences between various Romantic poets, and I vehemently disagree with the lessons the Twilight books teach, but I don't think my wider breadth of knowledge makes me able to dictate what is good or bad in such a subjective area as personal taste and enjoyment. If you enjoy the latest Dean Koontz book, good for you. I'll be glad to suggest books I like and think others would too, but I won't look down on "the people" for enjoying something that is "bad."
  • There's nothing wrong with name recognition and I never said there was. I do know that people will watch tripe without a guiding light because they don't care. They just want to be entertained for two hours. I'd prefer it if they just stayed home and jerked off for those two hours because that way, a shitty movie doesn't get boosted at the box office and tell Hollywood that they need more while more imaginative scripts get left by the wayside because the last time the studio took a chance, the audience went to see the new Adam Sandler movie instead.

    And a film should be able to stand on its own without the references but I guarantee you that when Edgar Wright or Quentin Tarantino make movies, they want you to spot the references and if you can't, they want you to find those original films because they love movies and they make movies for movie-lovers. Average folks will enjoy them, but movie-lovers love them more and that's why their movies are better than "Night at the Museum" or some other high-concept, low-threshold Happy Meal product.

    Finally, if all taste is subjective, then leave. If you can't take a stand and say that something is good or bad, then don't talk about it. Give your spine to someone who will use it and argue a point. If someone is wasting their time reading garbage and you know there's a better book they may enjoy, then you're obligated to give them the better book. If you had a friend who only ate junk food when healthy, delicious meals were readily available, would you just let them destroy their bodies because hey, McDonalds tastes good? If so, then you're a shitty friend.
  • Isn't a Fellini reference just a high-art pop-culture reference basically? The trickle down of that is that we end up with stuff like Shrek which is almost entirely pop-culture references. Not high-art pop-culture but just plain ol' vanilla pop culture. A reference to great films and filmmakers certainly does not a good movie make (and yes, I know you didn't say that), but just knowing that reference doesn't necessarily make you a better film viewer or a better film critic either. A reference to Fellini should be a sublime extra to a film fan, but unless the movie is about movies and the movie going experience itself then the film should always stand on its own in the story it tries to tell or in whatever other arena it is trying to achieve a particular experience for the view. A classic cult horror film like Evil Dead gets a lot of references as well, and those are wonderful fun for fans of the genre, but the movie containing them shouldn't rely on that reference as being necessary to enjoying or understanding that film. More importantly, if you DO get a reference and someone else doesn't you should enjoy and impart your joy to a view, not be smug that you got the reference and was communicated something special that another view just didn't get. i.e. a reference like that should enrich and enhance but never be critical to the understanding unless it is a direct sequel or relation to the original.

    I often like to re-read reviews of things I liked but that a critic didn't like (in particular I like to do this with Ebert's reviews and Massawyrm's reviews on AICN) just to get a point of perspective about what informs their movie going lives and to understand why I enjoyed something when it did nothing but frustrate or puzzle the critic.
  • I love how you guys are defending being lazy movie viewers. I'm not saying (or ever said) that movies should rely on references and should alienate those who don't understand those references. What I am saying is that a broader understanding and knowledge of film allows a viewer to see what influenced a filmmaker and where one film may succeed where another failed. If you think the amount of movies you've watched and considered critically doesn't influence how you approach future films, then I have no idea why you're wasting time talking about movies on a movie website.
  • smallerdemon
    "I love how you guys are defending being lazy movie viewers." HA! Hilarious.
  • Rockme
    favorite movies of the year for me were Slumdog Millionaire, There will be Blood, In Bruges, JCVD, Gran Torino.
    Still have to see The Wrestler, Milk and Revolutionary Road
    Didn't like The Dark Knight(felt a disconnection) (I loved Batman Begins)
    Iron Man, great movie, expected more though
    Wall-E, it was nice, nothing more
    Hellboy 2, probably the better one of the action movies that I've seen this year
  • there will be blood was last year. if you remember, it was nominated for best picture and won for best male lead (daniel day-lewis).
  • Bull
    While differing viewpoints on movies are fine, film critics themselves are NOT immune from criticism. David Edelstein in particular seems like a film critic who gives differing/bad reviews just to give them. If he is "forced to defend his review" then that is part of his job - do it and shut up.

    Differing opinions on movies is something to be thankful for, but if someone then disagrees with your opinion you shouldn't go crying about it. Thanks for telling me this movie sucked David Edelstein, I disagree with you, and won't take your opinion into consideration - sorry dude.
  • Bnitro
    Nice Job David. People act like these top 10 lists are going to be etched into stone and placed above all else. It's a person's opinion, they like what they like and you can't attack someone for that.
  • Mike
    Well said Dave. I normally check them out to see varying opinions and to learn about films that I maybe missed out on. The only person I need to validate my opinions is myself. As much as I love following awards season, there has yet to be a year where when asked for my favorites of the year I have simply printed out the Oscar nominees.
  • shirley
    the dark knight best movie.
  • I like Top 10 lists because they are short and I am lazy.

    Also, I can defend the catagorization of Twilight as one of 2008's best movies. I would put it on my list too because I have never laughed so hard at something so ridiculous in the theater in my life.
  • starscream9289
    I just do it out of pure curiosity.
  • bizarree
    I read all types of Top X Lists. I do it to gain knowledge of a movie/song/game/device/etc. that i might have never heard of. For example, up until last week, i had never heard of an iPod. I saw it on a Top 10 Electronics of 2008 list.
  • optimusprime
    Cool article. I read top 10 lists because I like to see if any of my movies are in their top 10 (general public). I don't like critic's top 10 that much because I disagree with them most of the time, but I still respect their views and opinions. All of the movies I've seen this year, these are my top 10:

    1. The Dark Knight
    2. Iron Man
    3. Hellboy 2: The Golden Army
    4. The Incredible Hulk
    5. Tropic Thunder
    6. Kung Fu Panda
    7. Cloverfield
    8. Pineapple Express
    9. Wanted
    10. Quantum of Solace
  • My opinion:
    1. The Dark Knight
    2. The Wrestler
    3. Slumdog Millionaire
    4. Milk
    5. Rachel Getting Married
    6. Let the Right One In
    7. Man on Wire
    8. Wall-e
    9. Hellboy 2: The Golden Army
    10. Tropic Thunder
  • Top 10 lists always depend on if you can justify your choices, I can understand leaving TDK out but it depends what has been put ahead of it. Devin left it out of his list and included The Foot Fist Way, which in my opinion was a poor excuse for a comedy.

    For the sake of it, my list would be:
    1. In Bruges
    2. Wall-E
    3. Slumdog Millionare
    4. The Dark Knight
    5. Tropic Thunder
    6. Iron Man
    7. Milk
    9. Forgetting Sarah Marshall
    10. Cloverfield
  • Basically, I read "Top Films of the Year" lists for the reasons already mentioned.... "Because we have strong feelings about films and as social creatures, we like to see our opinions validated." Also, it's a great way to check and see if smaller / less-talked-about films are getting the attention they deserve from Fans and Critics alike. ( "In Bruges" or "Let the Right One In" )


    @MonTheBuds - Nice List. Here is mine (as of now)

    1. The Wrestler
    2. The Dark Knight
    3. Slumdog Millionaire
    4. In Bruges
    5. Wall*E
    6. Let the Right One In
    7. Milk
    8. Transsiberian
    9. Iron Man
    10. Forgetting Sarah Marshall
  • I've heard good things about The Wrestler so I'll probably go see that soon. Unfortunately the UK release for Let The Right One In is April next year :(
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