When I discovered the vice-like grip that Twilight has on the popular imagination of this nation’s tween and middle-aged female demographic, I was content to just ignore it. After all, there are so many movies that come out which cater to my demographic that a bunch of people going insane over what I thought was a mediocre-flick at best shouldn’t affect me. Nonetheless, in the past couple of weeks, the Twilight backlash has begun in earnest. People are making well-articulated claims saying that not only is Twilight a bad film, its messages actually do harm to our nation’s youth. What exactly have they been saying?

The most decisive, thoughtful, and damning post, “Dangerous Liasons” comes courtesy of Lucy Mangan at The Guardian:

It sounds melodramatic and shrill to say that Bella and Edward’s relationship is abusive, but as the story wears on it becomes increasingly hard to avoid the comparison, as she gradually isolates herself from her friends to protect his secret, and learns to subordinate her every impulse and movement to the necessity of not upsetting Edward and his instincts (”I could quite easily kill you, Bella, by accident”), until by halfway through she is trying to suppress her very pulse (”my blood was racing and I wished I could slow it, sensing that this must make everything so much more difficult”) and planning her movements like a chess game - “I worried that it would provoke the strange anger that flared whenever I slipped and revealed too clearly how obsessed I was.” Whenever she responds physically to his kisses, he immediately draws away and berates her. Supporters will call this the erotics of abstinence. I call it fear and distaste for female sexuality and a poisonous message to be feeding young women.

Not only that, but Mangan goes on to argue that the book’s effect on young women is quite insidious. Most parents are quite satisfied to know that “at least the kids are reading SOMETHING these days,” but a book’s popularity should not absolve it of being examined a critical eye. It’s a great piece and I recommend that you check it out by clicking here.

[Update: Commenter Tony Scudder correctly explains that Mangan spends most of her article referring to Meyer's book, and not Hardwicke's film. At the end of her piece, Mangan seems to imply that both the book and the film have the same underlying messages, although the film's exploration of Bella and Edward's relationship is not as detailed as the book's. Apologies for any confusion]

Next up, over at the Skepchick blog, Maria Walters has written “Why ‘Twilight’ Is Hurting America,” an analytical post borne out of deep frustration and anger with the film:

I understand that this is a story of teen romance. I therefore expect some amount of angst to factor in. And maybe I’m spoiled by the Hermione Grangers and Eowyns of the past few years. But I’ve come to expect more from female characters. It really bothers me that this movie depicts a girl who falls in love within days and then proceeds to spend the rest of the movie supressing everything about herself for this boy. And the worst part is that this is considered as a ‘happy ending’ for her.

The boy, in turn, never even shows any level of interest in Bella as anything more than physically attractive. He follows her around because he feels ‘protective’ of her. This works out well when she’s being attacked, but she doesn’t consider it even a little creepy that he’s following her, sneaking into her room at night and WATCHING HER SLEEP. Bella never makes any attempt to stand up for herself. The day she’s attacked (and subsequently rescued by Edward), her father gives her a can of pepper spray to protect herself. She rolls her eyes and laughs at him, saying she doesn’t need it. Never mind that hours earlier, she was in danger of being raped. She has a boy to protect her now, so she doesn’t have to worry about it.

Maria describes Bella as a completely vacuous character, displaying no independent thought, and generally perpetuating negative stereotypes about female roles in society.

Last up, Scott Mendelson has written “Sure, Twilight May be Sexist, but It’s Also Female Escapist Fantasy.” According to Mendelson:

There are two main classic cultural myths of females, two false assumptions that have been used as the definitive excuses to subjugate and disenfranchise women for centuries in all manner of societies. The first is that women are devious and reckless creatures who tempt men who can’t control themselves. As a result of these fiendish seducers, the weak but noble men do all manner of vice and corruption, deeds that without the temptation of the women they would not have even considered. But, wait, they are also weak-willed and emotionally fragile creatures that cannot care for themselves and must be protected from peril and shielded from emotional complication (’the fairer sex’). Whether accidentally or intentionally, Twilight revolves around both stereotypes.

Deep thoughts, but Mendelson actually ends up defending the film as female escapist fantasy. Perhaps his most telling statement is what he says in the comments for the post: “If I can condemn vigilantism and stand up for due process while still enjoying 24 and Batman pictures (or pulp fiction like The Devil’s Advocate), then feminists can certainly enjoy Twilight.”

In other words, maybe in the end, despite all of Twilight’s disenfranchising messages, its insultingly implausible romance, and its backwards portrayal of female sexuality under the insidious guise of advocating abstinence, we shouldn’t be so quick to judge. Right?

Discuss: What do you make of the hidden messages of Twilight (the movie and the book)? Do you think they are harmful to today’s youth?

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  • isisisi
    i only watched the movie and haven't read the books but i must admit i kind of enjoied it, but in the way i enjoy a lot of shitty and shallow hollywood movies ;) as a feminist i deeply disagree with the values transported in the story. i think it is so popular because it reflects a profound wish of most young people, especially those socialized as girls: to meet someone who loves you in an unconditional way and will never leave you nomatter what. through the vampire-element this is possible, edward is biologically addicted to bella and CAN not leave her even if he wants (and tries) to. and through the same vampire element bella is eternally bound to him because he seems so hyper-attractive to her. and the of course he is "the bad boy" with the "soft core" that only bella can see.. blabla.. and the story with her isolating herself and burry herself in self-pitty and grief is exactly what a lot of teenagers do when their first love is over - they think it is the end of world and that they will never meet anyone they can love again (i felt like that, too, after my first realtionship was over). so it reflects the feelings of teenagers pretty good - a good movie should show them that it's not the end of the live and that they can find a better partner who doesn't stalk and abuse them emotionally.. but.. it is a very bad movie.. :)
  • Amanda
    Also, (I forgot things) if this IS the best book you have ever read that is SAD! If you don't realize that IS sad that is even more SAD. ): I have read all four books I read them in October of 2008. I liked them at the time because before that I was reading lemony snicket and it was the "best book I'd ever read" Then I started reading better books and I'm like OMG twilight is SOOO stupid. I can't believe I ever liked that! And now I'm very much looking forward to reading the parody: Nightlight. My cousin was reading it and he loved it! P.S. EDWARD IS A FAIRY. Real men don't sparkle and when think about doesn't it sound like Stephanie Meyer was on something?? Sparkles? Voice halluconations? I mean the guy who wrote alice in wonderland was on something so is it really that unrealistic??
  • Hannah
    I personally thought the first book was okay. Despite how rediculous sparkling girly men are and girls falling in love within days. It was a fun read, something that you dont have to really think about. But as I was reading the next book I had a hard time going because all it was about was Bella moaning and groaning and putting her life at risk to see hallucinate about a boy who left her. The third one was iffy but I didnt pay much attention to it. The fourth book however was absolutely ridiculous. I cannot believe Stephnie Meyer would write something like that for tweens and teenagers. The beggining is just them getting married, Edward almost killing her when they are having sex and then Bells trying as hard as she can to tempt him enough so he can do exactly the same thing to her again. That is not something tweens need to be reading. Then again Bella is moaning and groaning about being pregnant. The ending was also stupid, the Volturi or whatever would not have just left, they would have fought. Being LDS like Stephani Meyer I was appauled that she would write something like that knowing who her readers were. The Twilight fans get so upset even when you say "Oh yeah, Im don't really like it" and that is why everyone else hates them. Twilight was okay for the first book, but it should have been left at that.
  • Tessa R.
    Twilight is giving a false message to us teens, i was thinking about this while we were going over 'abuse relationships' in health class. These movies are saying that it's ok for a girl's boyfriend to control her, and its ok for him to twist her ideas, and change her mind through manipulation. Twilight absolutely disgusts me because of that, It's really sad how teens are thinking that because Belle and Edward/Jacob can stay together even through the rough times, that they can have an abusive relationship with their boyfriend/girlfriend.
  • foofookachoo
    I used to be obsessed with Twilight while I was in middle school. At the time, I had a horribly twisted self-image that I realize was only made worse by the fact that I couldn't put the series down. All I could think were things like, "Since I haven't attracted a guy who is obsessed with me like that, then I'm really as ugly as I thought I was..." By the time I realized the series wasn't as great as I had made it to be in my mind, enough damage had been done -- to the point that I'm still dealing with the aftermath, almost five years later. If the rest of the girls around me can't understand exactly what happens when you're sucked in, there's nothing I can do, and they'll realize it themselves sooner or later.
  • Squimzy
    And some wackjob wants to have Antigone banned from her daughter's school? I'd rather my kid commit suicide than want to be with an overly controlling boyfriend.

    It may seem harsh, but I really don't want either. Kids are being told not to read classical literature (SOPHOCLES! SOPH-O-CLES) and are being told to read this rubbish! As a future High School English teacher, I'm going to squash this Twilight non-sense the first day.
    "How many of you have read Twilight?"*students raise hands*
    "How many of you consider it literature?" *students raise hands*
    "How many of you are still at a 5th grade reading level?"*dead silence*
    "Then Twilight isn't literature. Now pick up Brave New World and lets get started."
  • Sam
    Why would Stephenie Meyer want to create such a negative thing. She never intended for it to be that way. First of all, Bella never really liked the friends she had and never did much with them anyway, so she doesn't mind seeing them less, and she still sat with them at lunch and all. The book is not saying that females are emotional and cannot control themselves, because Bella is very selfless, which is part of why she risks her life to see Edward. The other part of that is just saying how much she loves him. She is willing to look past that he is a vampire to be with him. Edward loves Bella, not because he finds her physically attractive, he thinks she is a good person, not like other girls her age. She is mature, caring, and understanding. And about the pepper spray, that only happens in the movie, and you have the chronological order mixed up. Her dad doesn't give her a can of pepper spray until after she comes home when she is 'almost raped'. And second of all, a can of pepper spray would not protect her from a vampire. She wouldn't need it otherwise because Edward would be with her. When he pulls away from her kisses, its not because he has distaste for the female sexuality, it's is because he cares about her and doesn't want to kill her. He is trying to (along with the rest of his family) go against his nature to protect humans and not be a murderer. Anyone would know these things if they read the book because they actually wanted to, and not because they were already full of hatred for the book, automatically seeing the negative side of everything in it and not really trying to see both sides of the argument, or try to compare the book to the movie, which you shouldn't do because they are not very much alike. And do not say the book is stupid or the fans are stupid because obviously, I am a fan, and I am a straight A+ student.
  • Sililoquy Rising
    I would first like to reveal the fact that schoolhouse grades are not an accurate representation of intellectuality. This being for several reasons, including the basic fact that education standards vary dramatically from gradients as fine as school to school. More importantly, however, the grades represent your tolerance and willingness to do work, not intellectual capacity. And do not fall back upon any card stating my envy or distaste for school, as I have none. I am an "A+" student as well, in AP and honors classes, extra-curricular activities, ect, ect.
    Now, as for your argument. 1. Meyer may not have intended for anything to be that way, but that is not the debate. I believe we are arguing over the effect of the "novel" on society. 2. Whether Bella likes her friends or harbors burning abhorrence for them, including everything in between, the reality of it is that her character allows young girls to think it is okay not to have friends and that letting one person consume your life is an acceptable social mechanic. However, phrased like this, it doesn't sound very healthy does it? 3. I would disagree, Bella does seem very impetuous, as one can easily draw from plot events in the book. I will not annotate, I will leave that to those who own a copy ;) 4. I see no selflessness, unless you count her incarceration of herself to please Edward, which is sterling material for the mimic of young girls =P
    I believe that leaves most of your argument refuted. I would embellish further upon the other holes in your argument, but I run short on time. Enjoy
  • Kaitlyn
    I don't ever see Bella going to a soup kitchen or donating money to charity during the books; those are examples of selflessness, chasing after a hunky guy is not. She certainly doesn't deserve any of the positive adjectives you lauded her with. I enjoy the series but they are beach books. They are stupid and poorly written, yet you can still enjoy them as long as you acknowledge that they're "guilty pleasure" reading not literature.
  • Kate
    The main reason I disliked the books was solely the writing aspect of it. I didn't really dig deep into any meanings or messages in it because I was too distracted by the HORRIBLE INFANTILE writing. You know those bad, implausible, plot-holled, cliche fanfics you sometimes stumble upon written by 12-16 year old girls? Yeah, that's what I felt like when I was reading it (well, listening to it, I didn't care enough to even borrow the books).
    I mean, I'm not some high intellectual who's literature standard is something like "War and Peace", but I enjoy a book when the language is intelligent (yes, I know she is writing from a TEEN'S point of view, but that doesn't make up for it being so horrid and boring), when the plot has no more than a few tinsy holes, when there is character development, when the descriptions of the people and environment go beyond repeating how beautiful one single character is. I could go on and on, but I shall stop so as to not bore anyone.
    And some here say S. Meyer wrote the book for HERSELF - well, then she shouldn't have sold it to millions, brainwashed thousands of tweens and showed off her horrible writing skills. I don't go on and publish what I write in my diary, now do I?
  • Alex_is_coolies
    Hi all,
    I like to call myself neutral when it comes to matters like this, and in this case I very much am.
    I personally thought the series was very good [but did find the second book deppressing and a bit boring], but thought the movie was crap.
    I 'rebelled' for a little over 6 months after my mum read the series, and then only read the series because I had seen the movie and was told the books are much better. That is true, they are better, but they are not the best pieces of writing to ever be written. Anyone who says this has either never read a good book or is too dumb to realise they have.
    I found this site on mystery google and after reading the article and these comments, I have realised that I do agree with most points made, especially those of Kathleen's. I am 14, and I have realised that the Twilight books did actually affect my life. I suppose you could say I had a revalation. I am now going to work to put my life back to the way it was, because I like the path I was on, and, compared to that path I now seem depressed.
    The video "Twilight Rage" on youtube [I can't remember who did it, but I know it was long] makes some amazingly relavent points, and talks about the movie. You should check it out.
    Edward Cullen is not real, and no guy, no matter how perfect, will ever be like him. I do not think Edward and Bella's relationship is abusive, but I completely agree that he is a stalker. Climbing into someone's room at night is obsessive and wrong.
    My main problems with the movie is that they changed the order of events, and, in most cases, how the events happened. I know that it's a movie, and you're not going to get something that's exactly like the book, but still, you don't CHANGE the order of events, because that ruins the way the movie plays out. Also [and I can't be the only to have noticed], during the casting period, everyone thought Robert Pattinson was ugly or just 'average', and didn't want him as Edward. Only was it when Stephanie Meyer came out and said that no, he's not, he's actually quite handsome, did anyone think that [coincidence?].
    I thought the books were okay, but I do not in any way defend them from anything said here, as, if you thnk about it, is all true. I also think that it should have been aimed at a slightly older age group, because girls around my age and slightly younger are very impressionable. Another of my problems [or maybe concerns] is that apparently Stephanie Meyer 'made up' these vampires because she supposedly "had no idea what a vampire really was". How could she not? Vampires are the most basic horror creatures in all of society. They don't sparkle, and they DO HAVE FANGS.
    I am also very annoyed at the fact that pretty much all twi-hards hate The Vampire Diaries, even though it is a very good series, because it supposedly "copied Twilight". This is in no way true as the Vampire Diaries books were published in the late 80's - early 90's [or just early 90's], so in fact Twilight copied VD. Any twi-hards will practically beat the crap out of you if you say this.
    Another point is that [and I'm not entirely sure this is true, so keep that in mind] I heard that in America a girl was drowned by a bunch of twi-hards because she didn't like Twilight. That is really creepy.
    Anyway, if you bothered to read all this, thanks, I just wanted to get my point across. I'm not saying I hate Twilight, because I don't, I just think that being obsessed over it and worshipping Stephanie Meyer is a complete waste of time.
    Cheers
  • Katie
    I am hoping that there is a happy median here. I am a fan of Twilight, but also a afan of other series, like Harry Potter. I am NOT just some stupid girl who likes Edward. I enjoy reading the books becuase ALL of the characters are detailed, and interesting. I unerstand the points that theses critics are making, but Edward isnt totally abusive alnd Bella isn't totally defenseless. Edward LOVES Bella. He would Do basically anything for her, except the one thin she adimently wants- to become a vampire. Bella FIGHTS him to become one. She does not just stand there and say "Okay Eddy- you're the boss." when he tells her no. She fights with him about it for the better part of three books. Once again, I understand what you are saying , but I do not completely agree
  • Saboteur
    I just hope that Twilight and Blade get some sort of cross-over. Blade/Snipes cutting to crap all those pusstards, priceless!
  • FelineQueen12
    There may be an underlining message in the movie or the book "Twilight". But people like the book and the movie. Even after they've read this. Every book and movie has their own underlining message but those movies are left alone anyway. Edward is only said to be the 'perfect guy' is because he's a vampire. I have yet to see anyone add that to the equation. So the movie has flaws, so what? Nothing is perfect. The movie wasn't all that great but it wasn't all that bad. I liked the books better anyway and i'm still going to watch the movies. And i somewhat agree that Bella and Edward's relationship may be abusive.. If they were human, but this is a story about a human and a vampire. This is more or less what would really happen to a human female if they fell for a vampire. They would cut off all contact with any other human. You guys may be right when it comes to two humans, but for twilight you guys are reading a little too much into it. And that's what is going to ruin people's veiw of a decent book.
  • terrymancour
    If it was a decent book, you might have an argument. But it's not. It's a crapfest of epic proportions that tells young women that it's OK to lay down their own personalities to conform better to that of their "perfect" men (vampires, whatever). I don't see what being a vamp has to do with perfection, and I really don't see many redeeming qualities in Edward. As a matter of fact, he's pretty much a controlling tool, not a "perfect" guy. Bella's an idiot for what she's doing in the name of "love".
  • FelineQueen12
    True, but if people want to be like Bella that's on them. Just think yourself lucky you're not one of those Bella wanna bes. And about the book being a crapfest. It all depends on what you like. You think it's a crapfest, i don't. Even though i know it's not even close to being the best book ever, because it's not. But it depends on what the person likes to read and their view on something. Your view differs from mine and i respect your view.
  • Amber
    I just wanted to interject that there are indeed a lot of "bad" aspects or views in Twilight. But, those veiws are only bad to some. Stephenie Meyer is a Mormon. She once said that when she wrote Twilight she wrote it for herself. She made it to be a kind of book that she would enjoy.
    In the Mormon church you arent really even supposed to kiss very much before you are married, much less have sex. And when Stephenie Meyer wrote Bella she wrote her as a non-Mormon person. Stephenie Meyer, being a Mormon, didn't really know what non-Mormon people did in a relationship, so she just filled in the blanks.
    Twilight was after all a book she wrote for herself. She never intended to publish it while she was writing it. So, she probably didn't see any harm in the things she was putting in the book. Its not like she put all this "bad" stuff in the book just to convince all these pre-teen girls to suddenly become like Bella.
    That being said, I think the audience that is reading Twilight is too young to be reading it. Only because at the age of 12 you are young and impressionable and not very sure of your beliefs. The book is probably better off in the hands of someone a little older and more sure of themself.
    I don't see why people who are old enough to read it shouldn't read it, it's the twelve and thirteen year old girls that we need to keep it away from.
  • Wolfe
    That is the first time I've heard this point, but it's a very valid one.
    Though now I'm wondering why she published it if it was just for her enjoyment.
    Anyways, great post. C:
  • Nightblade
    I absolutely agree with Anti-Twilighter and Kathleen. Twilight, as much as teens now days seem to like it, is not a great piece of literature. Sure, if you enjoy things such as this. If you read the whole series, even the last book, then you know it has suggestive themes that are not something that younger people should be reading. Danzii, if you have never read anything as good, then I highly suggest reading more. It is not hard at all to find books that simply push Twilight off the shelves.

    Someone once told me that Twilight is like cotton candy. Sweet, but the writing is all fluff with no substance. I personally find it creepy and females from young girls to older women are obsessing over a fictional character. They're not just fans, they full on love him.

    The same happened to me as with Kathleen. I am a fourteen year old girl, and everyone at school was reading Twilight. I then borrowed the books from a friend and thought, "Well, it's a little cliche, but it's okay."

    I was ambivalent about it while I read the series. It only took me a week to finish all four books. I already knew that nearly my whole all-girls school were infatuated with the series. When I read the last book, I was flabbergasted that sex was such a large element in it. I knew about it already, so it wasn't the first time I'd heard the word 'sex,' but some parents let their young kids read this.

    I found Bella to be extremely needy. She always needed Edward, or Jacob, and couldn't possibly function without them. She also never seemed content with who she had. If she had Jacob, she wanted Edward. If she had Edward, she was having second thoughts about Jacob.

    I'm not really sure what else I can add to Kathleen's and lucifersangel's posts. I think that it's just sad that girls all over the place are infatuated with Edward enough for me to hear, "I want to have sex with Edward!" Or girls forcing their boyfriends to be Edward for Halloween, even if they don't want to.

    I dislike Twilight very much, but I don't think that people, like me, who dislike Twilight should be mean to those who do. Yes, I think that Twilight is a horrible book for young readers, but being mean is unjustified. Some people just won't listen to reasoning.

    I hope to spread this page to my friends, so maybe they can see why I dislike Twilight.

    Thank you for posting this!
  • Kathleen
    You have some pretty valid points as well; I agree with you on much of what you said. I'm glad to know that there are other intelligent, aware 14-year-olds out there haha :)
  • lucifersangel
    I completely agree with poster Kathleen on the Twilight issue. Twilight for one thing had no story-most of the action was very rushed,there was no development in the main characters. You notice that the time they spend together is way too intimate for a relationship that has only been going on for two weeks.
    Bella is indeed under Edwards control-her personality is a pessimistic one,so logically she should love Edward for being able to make her happier. But no,all she does is get more insecure because she is with him. Further more he controls her every move from the get-go as well as the status of the relationship-when to go out,when to visit, when to marry. At first it seems he 'protecting' her but it goes on,you KNOW this is beyond stalking and terribly unhealthy. The fact they had not the courage to function without each other ,sends a terrible message to the youth of the world.
    Real life takes courage to live in-and not everything has a fairytale ending. No person is perfect, no-one is designed to read a persons mind so they can understand. It's dangerous if you really feel that a person must be flawless ,in order for you to love them and vice versa.
    Twilight is absolutely sickening in this sense. I agree with this site and I agree with Kathleen. Thank God there are some sensible young people out there who realize how harmful acting like that is.
  • Kathleen
    I agree with you too. You have some very valid points.
  • Ash
    I don't get the point of all the debate going on about Twilight. It isn't that great and it isn't that awful. It has loads of flaws yes, but as a teenage girl I really enjoyed the books. The last book was somewhat ridiculous and the second was boring but they were ok. I think people are getting a little carried away, yes it may have bad underlying messages but so does most stuff.
  • Kathleen
    I think the problem isn't that Twilight has these harmful subliminal messages (let's face it, lots of books and movies and such have harmful subliminal messages), the problem is that Twilight is so popular and very few people seem to recognize the subliminal messages as being harmful.

    I'm a 14-year-old girl; Twilight is targeted directly around my demographic. I eventually gave in to peer pressure and read the series. Initially, I thought the books were okay; boring, and the ending was horrible. I didn't notice the hidden messages and their effects until much later, when my peers and even their mothers started obsessing over Edward.

    I was told by a relative of mine that "everyone deserves to find their Edward". This is why Twilight is a problem; Edward is viewed as the perfect guy, despite the fact that he basically abuses Bella, forces her to give up everything to be with him, and stalks her. They are completely dependent on each other, giving girls the idea that true love is not being able to function properly without in contact with your lover at all times. Sure, it promotes sex after marriage, but in Twilight, Bella only agrees to marry Edward because he promised her sex. So Twilight effectively promotes rushing into marriage because you're horny. But since that's not a sin, that's okay, right?

    There's other Twilight related sex problems; it, like many other things, promotes the idea that sex equals love. It gives girls the impression that if you love somebody, the best way to show it is by having sex with them. It also insinuates that Bella only wants to have sex with Edward because she "loves" him, that that is the only reason she pressures him to sleep with her; it doesn't even touch upon the idea that Bella is a hormonal teenager who, like most hormonal teenagers- whether they admit it or not- is curious about sex. This adds to the misconception that teenagers, mainly girls, are not and should not be curious about sex. Twilight seems to be centered around the idea that it's full-on sex or nothing (aside from kissing); it doesn't incorporate any alternatives, which, while sexual in nature, are ultimately safer and involve less implications than full on sexual intercourse does. Thus the readers get the impression that sex is the only option other than kissing in a relationship.

    I could go on for many, many more paragraphs, but in the interest of saving time and space, I will summarize: Twilight gives many misconceptions about relationships and love. The perfect guy, should he exist, should be protective, but Edward stalks Bella, and that is completely unacceptable and wrong. He should have a genuine interest in who you are as a person in addition to how you look, but the only interest Edward communicates is in Bella's scent and physical appearance. He shouldn't put a lot of pressure on you to have sex with him, but neither should he bait you into marrying him with sex as the reward as Edward did. He's allowed to be jealous or feel threatened if you spend time with another guy, but he should not force you to cut off all contact with said guy unless it's a truly harmful relationship. He shouldn't make you feel stupid for loving him. He shouldn't force you to give up everything to be with him. True love isn't complete and total dependence on each other. Relationships do not need to revolve around sex, and though sex is an important part to a mature relationship, it shouldn't be the basis of it. There are alternatives to sex, and sex does not equal love. Twilight contradicts these things. That is why it's so harmful.
  • Bran
    AMEN!
  • Rhosymedra
    I'm a 23 year old Ph. D. student and I think you are brilliant. It makes me happy that there are 14 year olds out there who are able to understand things in such depth and communicate them well.
  • Da Master 012
    Wow. I'm five years older than you are and in college, and yet even I found your critique to be insightful and objective. Very impressive! You're going places.
  • Lunace Gallows
    Very nicely phrased, especially from a 14 year-old girl. Not only for your age, but also because you fit in perfectly with the demographic so nicely encompassed by the fan-base of Twilight. You are perceptive, a gift of clarity if you will. do not let that go to waste, it is a gift not often possessed
  • Team-SwitzerJacob
    You know, your'e 14, but I think you're smarter than I am. >.> Just the way you talk impresses me. =] Not the easiest task, I assure you.
    But honestly, I think you're all looking far too deep into this Twilight thing. Yes, I am a Twilight fan. [I've recently upgraded my status to fanatic when I purchased a Twilight necklace (because only people over their heads are deep enough in to buy merchandise).] But, I do see your point, and further, I'm not willing to argue you on it. I'm not going to change the way I feel about the series because of the negative affect that you all think it will cause me. Neither am I going to try to change the way you see the series. I do grasp how it could possibly be harmful to the targeted generation. This does not affect me, personally. I have read and re-read the books and currently find satisfaction in skimming through them and I am totally hyped about going to see New Moon the day it premeirs. Though I agree with you, Kathleen, and other anti-Twilighters, it doesn't change the way I see the book. But nor has the book affected the way I see the world or view relationships. You people speak like Stephenie Meyer was trying to to promote all of this ill-treatment and abusiveness. That, I think, is a ridiculous idea. ....This doesn't have a straightforward way of saying how I feel....All in all, I side most heavily with danzii.
  • Semicolon101
    I do apologize, but I cannot help but be a bit troubled by your post =(
    I do not necessarily take either side of this argument, but I enjoy arguing. Meyer may not have intended to infuse such themes into her book, but the fact of the matter seems to be that they are present. Regardless of intentions, this still deems the book a negative force.
    What really troubles me however, is how you seem to acknowledge these themes and the legitimacy of their presence, and yet seem not to care. I think that a problem not affecting you does not make it less of an issue to others. Some might say it is apathy like that that slows the progression of the human race; acknowledgement of problems but apathetically because of a lack of self-involvement...
  • Kathleen
    Haha thank you :D
    I agree, I and the others are looking too far deep into it. I can't speak for the others, but I'm just like that; I analyze EVERYTHING, maybe a bit more than I should.
    You seem to be a pretty intelligent person; I doubt that I'm smarter than you ahah. I totally gained respect for you because of your views. My rant was more directed at the people who let Twilight affect how they see the world and how their relationships should be and such. I definitely don't think Meyer intended to promote any of the underlying messasges in this story, and the problem isn't that these messages exist, it's that they have such a great impact on young girls, who, quite frankly, are screwed up enough as it is. If I were to analyze my stories for bad subliminal messages, I'm sure I'd find a lot of them. If I were to publish these stories, I wouldn't want anyone to follow the example set by my characters, though I'm sure people would because that's just how things are. The popularity of Twilight among the younger teen/tween age group is what makes it so dangerous. Many girls, especially younger ones, have this whole concept of the male species and love and sex totally messed up because of the media, and I sincerely doubt that Twilight helps this any. I don't have a problem with fans of Twilight; I have a problem with the fans who refuse to even listen to or respect any opinion other than their own and who try to base their life off of it.
  • Anti-twilighter
    Agreed. As I heard from a most brilliant person "love is not an acceptable excuse". You dont forgive someone immediatly of everything bad they ever do becuse they claim to love you.
    That i not reasonable or acceptable, but it is still so frequently used, and especially while used in this way, it can even be harmful on a higher level, giving young girls false ideas about love and sex.
    Again; I completely agree with everything you wrote here.
  • Kathleen
    Thank you :)
  • I concur with the views of this article!
  • danzii_2009
    Twilight is one of the best books I have ever read, I am 13 and I have never read anything as good. It had me so hooked that I managed to finish all of the series in less than a month, and then had me begging for more! The only crime that this film has commited is not being long enough for people like me to enjoy even more of! I don't understand why people who hate it spend so much time hating it! If you don't like it why don't you shut up and let us have our time, in a bit surely you will like something that we don't and we will not go on... Why not spend your time on something you love rather than wasting it on complaining about one of the biggest films of our time? I don't mean to offend anyone... lyl x
  • ilovetwilight:)
    um you are 13.
    people hate it because it is an overglorified love story
    all the author does is add fancy words so that 13 year olds like it, oh wait you ARE 13. In that case, enjoy your mediocre novel :)
  • Gabby
    I finished the whole series in 2 days. I was 13 when I read them. Gosh, are you seriously that slow?! BTW, Twilight should die a slow and painful death.
  • Lunace Gallows
    Come come now, no reason for that. I believe we can assert our opinions without degrading each other, no?
  • Lunace Gallows
    I believe you are a prime example of what they are afraid of. I honestly am not won by either pole argument, but I fancy the role of Devil's Advocate. They believe you like it too much. That you are so encompassed and enthralled with the plot that you will want to be identical to Bella. Be this the case, you will seek out a relationship similar to the one she has with Edward, in their opinion abusive and detrimental, distancing you from your friends and family, and repressing yourself in fear of setting off or disturbing your counterpart
  • Ian
    Some hate it for it's anti-feminist message and poor portrayal of female characters as one-dimensional toys of immortal males. Me, I hate it because it's HIDEOUSLY BAD WRITING. Morbidly bad. Terribly bad. Beat-your-computer-into-a-plowshare-and-study-writing-no-more bad. It's only saving grace is the fact that it will inspire other would-be writers by proving that if something this bad can get published and be a hit, then there is hope for them.
  • Olivia.
    I AGREE. The whole series should rot. The ONLY REASON that the youth loves it is because they can ACTUALLY read it. Were so used to shortening and making EVERYTHING easier to read, easier to do, that theyre just excited that they can read it. Meyer writes like a child and just sticks a few big words in there to make teens infer that "Oh wow, I just read a big word! This is AMAZING." Its sooo. Utterly. Retarded. And Im just 15.
  • Anti-Twilighter
    THIS, my friend, is why we hate on it and argue against it so much.
    You fans refuse to see that Twilight is NOT perfect. It has flaws, and BIG, BIG ones at that, but all you do is stick your fingers in your ears and tell us to stfu, as you keep on making cults following the biggest piece of crap this world has seen this century.
    So, if you can accept that Twilight sucks a big spunkflavored lolipop, then fine, you can like it as much as you want, but this book is not big for any other reason than marketing and the choice of audience. It is NOT a great piece of literature, just becuse you like it, doesnt mean it has good quality.

    Thank you.
  • Sure we all may root for Batman, Superman and Spiderman, knowing full well that vigilantism is illegal but the difference is that many of the fans deny any of the sexist messages that are in the book or simply aren't aware of them. And if you try to show them these negative stereotypes, most of the time they get angry and lash out. -_- I would know, it's happened to me.
  • Lilith Keehl
    (replied to wrong person) Ment to reply to Danzii_2009
  • allana
    okay i kinda agree with lilith keehl
    i dont think tat you should get that hooked on a book it is fiction not reality
    but i kinda have to disagree cuz it is a book noone is interpreting it as a sterotype of women and not everyone looks at it like some people just like it
    and not everyone likes the same books so you cant really base it off of what celebritys think lol
    and i tried reading twilight and i really didnt get in to it lol
  • Lilith Keehl
    Did you know that Michael Jackson hated Twilight? Mhm I was watching the news one time when I heard something about this bad literature come up along with Michael Jackson and Miley Cyrus (Who nobody cares about after saying she doesn't know who Jay-z is.) And it stated that they both dislike Twilight and never liked it along wiht Stephen King who also said it was bad liturature. And if your 13 then thats why you like Twilight. Oh yeah if you cannot stay on topic (IN this case is HATING Twilight not loving.) Then don't write it here find other fans to tell.
  • Zerachiel
    this has helped me alot when it comes to fighting twitards and they try and argue about how edward is not abusive.. i just fling this up and they can't argue anymore.
  • Amanda
    Okay, so this is the my whole opinion of Twilight in short. It is sooo backward and makes no sense whatsoever. That is why alot of stupid 11 and 12 year olds like it so much and considerring that I am 14 that is saying something! Edward only likes Bella for her blood. Not her prettiness. Not her opinions. Not her kindness, her smarts, her hotness, her humor, or ANYTHING!! and Emmett has met TWO girls like that his whole life! Does that mean that Edward is gonna go fall in love with any other girl with yummy blood?? Heck if I know!!! The movie totally sucks! bad actors. bad book relativity. BAD costumes. (why does Edward wear more make-up than Bella???) The one reason people like it is because: A) everyone else likes it. B) Guy's girlfriends wanted to see it.(referring to movie) C) They love romance books because they can't get a lover in real life. D) I HAVE NO IDEA!! AND!!!!!!! what bugs me the most is Bella has NO character. She isn't a happy or sad person. She isn't sane or crazy. She doesn't voice her opinions so you don't know what she likes or not. and in the movie she has no emotions! The only personality she show is OBSESSION toward Edward!
  • Joseph John McCain
    The truth of the matter is... Bella's a whore. "Oh, my supposed love left me so now I'll go lead on Jacob so when Edward comes back I can crush Jacob's hopes. Since I already kissed Jacob, I regret not touching his peepee because I'm a raging whore." - Bella
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