Watchmen Ending Changed?

Remember that Watchmen test screening I told you about last week? Well it happened, and buzz coming out of the screening has the Watchmen fan community throwing a hissy fit. Before you get nervous, know this - everyone says the film is awesome. However, the fans are upset over how Zack Snyder’s ending varies from that of the one in the graphic novel.

And there really is no way of talking about the ending of a film without spoilers being involved. That said, you have been warned. Story after the jump.

SPOILERS…

Yes, Spoilers…

Skip the rest of the story if you don’t want to know.

A couple of people who attended the screening posted reports on the IMDb message boards, only to have their posts quickly removed. Nothing has been officially confirmed, so PLEASE consider this with a grain of salt for now. According to the reports, the climax of the graphic novel where Veidt releases his squid in New York City, was not in the movie. Instead, Dr. Manhattan and Ozymandias builds a machine that mimics Dr Manhattan’s powers and uses it to set off atomic bomb like explosions in various cities around the world.

The exclusion of the squid is very puzzling, especially considering the numerous reports from a variety of sources that the squid was included in the film. Even cast members have made mention of a beastie in the film’s climax. Who knows, there is always the possibility that Snyder shot multiple endings, although I’m doubtful. The amount of money it would take to film either ending would be substantial. So I doubt Warner Bros would have allowed him to film both.

I’ve talked with a couple of my friends who are fans of the book, and many of them were quick to admit that unleashing the squid was probably not the best way to go. The new ending supposedly works thematically, and isn’t that what is really important? I understand that part of being a fanboy is to expect a big screen adaptation to be an exact replication of what he’s read on paper. I mean, what would fandom be without the constant bickering over the different changes made from book to screen? But is it possible that Snyder could have went for a better ending?

Update: Our friends at Collider have an interview with Kevin Smith, where he talks about having seen Watchmen. Here is his response to the question about if the ending is different:

“It’s a little different. While it is a slight departure, it actually makes sense in the context of the story because it brings the characters back into it. It kind of makes the movie more about them by the end of it because of the switch they made. I would never say that Alan Moore fucked it up or something. I love the ending of the Watchmen comic book, but I think this ending works just as well.”

Thanks to /Film reader Christopher M for the photo above.

Update #2: Apparently Dr. Manhattan wasn’t involved in building the machine. I misunderstood one of the reviews. I have fixed the spoiler text to reflect his non-involvement.

  • aj
    If it works I don't mind. It makes sense to do something on a grander scale then just New York. I don't mind. If the movie is awesome, its awesome. That is just fine with me.
  • cogezek
    enormous letdown.


    if true.
  • rorschach
    I think this ending would actually work better for the film, that way they could do without all the scenes where they're constructing the squid. Also, like aj mentions, it does make sense to do something on a much larger scale in order to have the world unite.
  • would a squid attack on new york actually bring the world together any more? probably not.. iam going to pause for a moment and consider the stupidity of that sentence.
  • Captain Awesome
    Bring it.
  • syms covington
    Face it, the ending needed to be changed to make the calamity more "global" in nature. I thought it was common understanding the ending would be changed. As long as it works, then fine. The comic is a classic but when reading it for the first time earlier this year, I must admit I thought: "is that it?" in terms of implausibility that something with such a small radius of impact and with so little evidence left to prove its actual existence would unite the world so swiftly. But then again, we have 911 as proof that it can - to some degree.
  • jake
    technacily its not susposed to be a squid its was grown and mutated to look like an alien attack.
    SO i think the threat of an alien attack would bring the world together!!

    dont you..
  • jake
    and if i could spell... this relpy might have had more of an impact... sorry
  • helicopters
    nowadays it would have to be on a grander scale, or america would just assume terrorism was involved. and the whole alien thing... was honestly too bizarre even in the novel... so i'm not sure if i'd miss it or not...
  • i am actually very OK with this. I LOVE the book ending, but this seems to work just great thematically as Kevin said. I trust Snyder. He knows whats best
  • Rachel
    Hmmm...will be very disappointed if this is true, but I can see the part about the squid not being "global" enough.

    But, I don't see why would Dr. Manhattan help to build a machine that mimics his powers. :/ Doesn't seem very canon to me. IDK.
  • prophecy_projectz
    The change probably does work for the film's context, but now you've officially lost the vote of confidence from the purists. It will be intresting to see how many people will judge the film just on the changed ending and not the rest of the film.
  • Nish
    I consider Watchmen to be a fairly hard comic to get accurate on the big screen in terms of sticking to the plot, so I think going for an ending that works on screen better than the squid is a good idea and fine by me. However, it will ruin the one line summary of the Watchmen: psychic space vaginas save the world.
  • cinemaniac1979
    My biggest concern is that this new ending might take out the "other worldly" threat that the giant "alien" squid presented. One reason that Watchmen hit me so hard when I read it is how it ties in to "real world" conspiracy theories.

    The story goes that Wernher von Braun (famous German/American rocket scientist) was quoted in the sixties that their were forces orchestrating various threats in order to bring the world together under one government. They started with Communism, then went to Global Terrorism, then to an extra terrestrial threat. He supposedly said this in the 1960s. I just don't see how a Manhattan Machine is going to work to incorporate that threat and keep that otherworldly element in place.
  • YoungZe
    I hear Alan Moore being pissed again.
  • cergeantbeanie
    Really... Zack Snyder's a dumbass. Doesn't anyone get it? I mean, even I was ready to put the book down when I read the whole Ozemandias squid plan, but the POINT is that something has to occur that is so unphathmable and inconceivable by human logic and perception that we would all have to just shut our mouths out of fear/shock/awe and forget anything so petty like our wars to kill one-another and just live in peace with ourselves. Think of it this way... if some crazy crap like that ever really did happen, wouldn't you snap?
  • cergeantbeanie
    besides, why would the rest of the world care that Dr. Manhattan nuked everyone? If anything, people would become even more pissed and there'd be MORE chaos...how would that make the world feel sorry for itself? Realize it's mistakes and trifle problems? The whole point of this movie since production began in 1991 is for the fans and to present the novel to the world. If your too stupid to read the book, like I was before, then you should at least see a movie-reflection of what you don't have the time to read. Screw Warner- Brothers... Alan Moore saw the future and said it best through Rorschach... "NEVER COMPROMISE."
  • dreiberg
    i think you only touched on the real story here - 'everyone says the film is awesome'.

    you only have to watch the teaser trailer to see that Snyder has shown a slavish devotion to the graphic novel. it will be fascinating to see if and where he has changed it, and to think (and talk endlessly) about his reasoning for doing so.

    see below ?)
  • dreiberg
    and above ≠)
  • orange cinema
    i'll wait to see it before i decide. but i will say that changing such a crucial part of the story, and saying things like "But is it possible that Snyder could have went for a better ending?" is exactly why alan moore gets upset, and why he has taken his name off this project. i cringe at the visual of Ozy & Dr M building a machine together, but we will see.
  • fraiser
    i think shia getting teleported and dying would bring the world together.
    sounds global enough to me.
  • Thanks to Empire Magazine for the photo above. And Christopher Ms scanner.
  • My main problem with this: in the comic, I think part of what horrified the Comedian so much when he discovered Veidt's plot was that killing millions with a fake alien squid is such a crazy idea that it really does seem like a sick joke on a huge scale, hence his lines to Moloch "I mean, this joke, I mean, I thought *I* was the comedian, y'know?" and "I mean, what's funny? What's so goaddamned funny? I don't get it. Somebody explain...somebody explain it to me." I think this may have been part of Moore's motivation for having a character called "The Comedian" be so central to the story in the first place, because it ties in with the enormous joke Veidt pulls on humanity at the end. Whereas, just faking some explosions due to experiments with high-tech forms of energy isn't weird enough to have that "joke" aspect, it's more like the plot of a Bond villain or something. And of course, making Veidt's plot no longer seem like a bizarre joke also takes away most of the relevance of the bloody-smiley-face motif which appears throughout the comics and is sort of the "logo" of the entire series.
  • Raerth
    Jesse M hit it on the head.
  • Lazaros
    I know i know they want to make a sequel do i win a lollipop (not a Lolita ) ?
  • Mr. B
    The film is the film and the novel is the novel. As long as it plays well and doesn't pull some shit like the ending of The Golden Compass, I'm not too worried. I don't need the film to fullfill the ethos and mythos of the novel, I have that on my shelf. What the film can do for me is show me a larger than life and spectacular painting of the story.
  • kaneoz1980
    If there is no squid in the movie there wouldn't be a secret island where all the writers, artists and scientists etc for the comedian to find and then why is the comedian killed at the beginning?

    removing the squid really rips the thread out of the movie and a lot of stuff would need to be changed so that if flows again, cause if its replaced with devices that Dr Manhattan and Ozymandias are building it will really change Dr Manhattans story.

    Also why would Dr Manhattan need help 'building' a machine? he can do it with his mind.
  • diesel
    like peter said: take it with a grain of salt.
  • Wehtam
    The thing is it's not supposed to be a squid it's supposed to be an extra terrestrial (possibly extra dimensional) attack i.e. an other worldly, external threat to humanity, that's why it's supposed to bring us all together, it's a common fear. Setting a bunch of nuclear style explosions off in various cities around the world would be more likely to cause a nuclear holocaust through retaliation...but then I guess it depends how it's handled in the film!
  • Jarrad Wilkes
    Who gives a funk?

    Materialising a giant squid in New York was the lamest part of the book - really stupid and totally at odds with the realistic treatment of the characters etc.

    Idiot comic book fanboys need to get over themselves.
  • DBO
    fuck you "Jarrard Wilkes", The ending to Watchmen was spectacular, and when you make a movie OF A BOOK, you dont just go changing the ending around, it affects the entire plot far too much.
  • Dreiberg
    what I inferred from Peter's post is that Ozymandias uses the machine to fool the world into thinking that Manhattan himself has intervened, from his self-imposed exile on Mars.

    this has the effect of establishing the other-world external threat to humanity Wehtam rightly identifies as central to Watchmen's resolution.

    the issue for me is why Manhattan would be complicit in the creation of this machine. presumably Ozymandias fools him into believing it is for another purpose. but could you ever really deceive Dr Manhattan?

    I agree with Diesel, only I'd go further - take it with a mountain of salt at this stage ≠ )
  • In my mind it doesn't work. The squid was used as a way to create mass hysteria of an invasion from an alternate dimension, and band everyone together, if there's just a series of nuclear explosions, wouldn't that just cause all countries to fire off all of their nukes at each other?

    Doesn't make sense to me, but Snyder still has my $10.00 waiting for him.
  • James Forsythe
    I think its horseshit. All of these years this movie has been floating around trying to get made and the end result is switching the ending? Its lame. I don't care if its a good movie or not. Its not a true adaptation of what Snyder promised the fans of this story. It doesn't need to be made to fit the times we live in now, the movie takes place in the alternate 1980's. I'm just really disappointed and I feel like scammed for believing Zach Snyder was going to deliver the goods. Just as always.
  • DBO
    entirely agreed
  • john
    I just don't understand how a few stragically placed bombs, that will invariably be seen as a massive terrorist attack, will be that unifying for the whole world.

    How can the world join together against something that is going to be blamed on extremist?
    Wouldn't that propagate more strife, instead of ending it?
  • Chromey
    I think for an adaptation to truly work it should serve the movie first and the source material second.
  • Adrian Veidt
    Jesse M nailed it.
  • J
    I dont care if they changed the squid, but the ending the shot sounds a little stupid and well doesn't make alot of sense since Manhattan knows the future and would know what Veidt was planning.
  • J
    Agreed Kanezo. Also the ending suggest that the world will onl come together when attacked by aliens, it sounds stupid but thats the idea that it is stupid that the world will only come together when attacked by an alien. Why would the world come together if they were just attacked by terrorist?!? They will have to change quite a bit for this ending to work, since it wouldn't really explain why someone was trying to kill off heroes and why kill the comedian, because it is explained real clearly why Veidt killed him and it made alot of sense.
  • Joe Newman
    a great movie can be ruined by a bad ending, something proved by Children of Men.

    I'll wait to see the movie which I'm sure we'll be awesome but I just hope the ending doesn't come off lame and feel forced to try and make sense. I just hope they don't do what Choke die and have all the foreshadowing and background to the original ending and then just change it at the last second, making a lot of those scenes useless.
  • Andreas Petersen
    People are forgetting this movie doesn't place in current-day America, but in an alternate 80s ruled by Nixon. The whole reason the giant squid worked so well was because it was supposed to be an alien invader, something that could potentially threaten the whole world. However, with just some nukes going off, I can't imagine the world banding together for that.

    I personally think this is really troubling news, and just when I got on board.
  • kylefresh
    completely disappointing.....................
  • "But, I don’t see why would Dr. Manhattan help to build a machine that mimics his powers. :/ Doesn’t seem very canon to me. IDK."
    this

    I agree with orange cinema, Jesse M., kaneoz1980, Wehtam, GlenJM, john, and Andreas Petersen.

    The major reason I think I'll be disappointed, if this is true, is when I'm in the theater and things start going differently too much it'll take me out of the experience. Can't say the same for newcomers of course. Just from the outline the new ending doesn't seem to work as well as the original, and might leave some plotholes.
  • BlackjackJohnson
    i think it's still possible Dr Manhattan doesn't know about Veidt's plan. in the book he didn't know either, because of the Tachyons. I hope they bring this up.
    but as some said, the whole plot line from The Comedian discovering the island and so on doesn't make sense anymore. and that's where I get also very unsure about the whole Snyder-thing "making everything as it is in the book" or "absolutely keeping the graphic novel's ending" like he stated in an interview. I slowly doubt he really got it...
    On the other hand the point in the g.n. was the "squid" sent a signal which let all people on the whole planet think an alien invasion just happened. maybe he kept this aspect and turned the "squid" in something like an "extraterrestrial holocaust" hence the mass-explosions. with that I'd be fine. but I doubt it is so.
  • Moviola
    On one hand, what Jessie M said about the Comedian is true. I liked that an other worldly alien conspiracy was used to bring the world together. It was clever and one of the elements that made the Watchmen unique.

    On the other hand, I'm inferring that Veidt gets the heroes in on a plot to build and release a machine to nuke cities and "save the world." This makes the blood even more obviously on the hands of Dr. Manhattan, Night Owl II, and Silk Spectre II. I'm guessing that Rorsache doesn't participate. I don't know how the other worldly element is involved, or how that provides a motivation for the Comedian's death.
  • Moviola
    Dreiburg,
    I think you're onto it. The reason Dr. Manhattan would go along with it is the same reason he went along with the squid thing: If the Cold War is over, he can go back to exploring the universe without looking over his shoulder.

    But... Why would the Comedian be killed, and why would Dr. Manhattan need a machine when he can be multiple places at once?
  • Nish
    Maybe a better ending would be to have multiple squids/psychic space vaginas to fall on various cities. Cinematically it would be awesome to see scenes of destruction not just in New York but London, Tokyo, Paris etc. The bomb thing totally wouldn't work, it would mean that much of film has to be changed. If they did change large swathes of the film, it wouldn't be a watchmen film.
  • honestly, this is the least surprising change to the ending I would have imagined. thematically, in my mind anyways, it makes the most sense. the entire theme with clocks is that of the doomsday clock anyways, not the enormous psychic squid clock. As much as I love the original ending, the fact that it was a giant genetically created squid creature and not a bomb of some sort always bugged me on some level anyways. I say kudos to Synder for having the balls to make it more accessible and tie it all together.
  • Frank
    I'm afraid, because if Zach Snyder doesn't have a comic panel in front of him to tell him what the shot is, who knows what it'll look like!?
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