In a new interview with The Times UK, director Oliver Stone ponders the domestic box office prospects for his W. biopic, opening in limited release the 17th of this month. The Lionsgate film had a budget of $30 million—financed by Chinese investors—and arguably there is no precedent for how well it might do. High profile movies about U.S. presidents tend to always be posthumous (Stone’s Nixon, HBO’s John Adams, Spielberg’s planned Lincoln), and the political climate has only grown nastier and nuttier since Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11 grossed $119 mil domestic in 2004 (seems longer ago). American Carol, anyone? With the election too close to call and the economy exposing orifices daily…

“I’m not sure that we’ll succeed,” Stone concedes. “But this movie is not for the 12 per cent who still approve of him – it’s for the other 88 per cent. On the other hand, I don’t think there’s anything in the movie that the other 88 per cent would have any reason to detest. It is a human portrait of a man, not meant to insult people who believe in what Bush believes in.”

How much of this majority will show up, either in hopes of a good movie or to magnify their displeasure with the current administration, remains to be seen. And back to the economic crisis, Stone says comparisons to the rampant greed and corruption depicted in 1987’s Wall Street are nil…

“I don’t even think a Gordon Gecko [sic] could exist in 2008, not as an individual buyer or seller. He’d have to work for a bank. Those [Wall Street] guys – they pigged out, man, to a degree that I never thought was possible.”

On that note, I wonder where things are at with Michael Douglas’s Wall Street 2 (Stone is said not to be involved)? Stone says he has no interest nor plans in making another war film, citing his age and specifically calling Iraq too much of a “bummer” to confront. Coming from Stone, who served in VietNam, directed numerous films related to that war (including the aborted Pinkville with Bruce Willis), and is a history buff, I’m not sure I buy it. He even seems to hint that Pinkville might be rescued in the same interview.

Discuss: How much do you expect W. to gross domestically? More than $30 million? Do you agree with Stone’s sentiments on Gekko and today’s Wall Street?

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  • Randy Lee
    Well I'm defiantly going to see this film, regardless on how critics perceive it. I'm not a fan of Bush, but I'd like to see how he came about to be president.
  • Jennifer
    even though I don't support Bush. The film on his life, and how he become president still seems interesting to me. And it looks like a good film. I wanna see it. I think that people who don't support bush should still go and see it since it will probably be a good story nonetheless.
  • Hunter Stephenson
    @OC

    [sic] was added by me. The author of the piece misspelled Gordon Gekko's last name. [sic] simply means "mistake them."

    Per the trailer, never underestimate the Talking Heads to boost spirits and promote a fresh outlook.
  • orange cinema
    @ hunter

    i've always wondered what it means in interviews, when '(sic)' appears. any idea?

    as for 'W', as much as i detest bush and his entire administration, i'm finding it quite remarkable that stone & brolin have made me like this portrayal of the man - from the footage i've seen. it's always an amazing acomplishment when a storyteller can make even the worst human being likeable, or sympathetic to an audience.
  • I'm really looking forward to this one. When I went and saw some movie with my friends (don't remember what), this trailer was attached to it, and they all thought it looked great.
  • j
    I am really looking forward to this, I'm a big Stone fan and I have been disappointed over his last few flicks and I think this will be his comeback. I think it will make something around 30 to 40 million.
  • Water
    Every movie dealing with the Iraq war (non-documentary) has tanked majorly at the box office, despite talent or quality (or lack thereof).

    If one thing is clear about movies over the past 2 years, it's this: People want escapist comic book movies, NOT political anything!

    Every political movie has the same ideal too. "All the others failed, but THIS one is gonna get through to the masses." I love Stone's work. I'll be sad when "W." tanks.
  • Grofe
    I would guess this film will gross $40. Not forty million. Forty dollars. Maybe $41.50.
  • Garrett
    Best part is how he says this is for the 88% that dont approve of him. That is a larger base to pick from than people that like comic book movies and he doesnt feel it will do well. Maybe no one wants to see your stupid left wing movie and you already know it. Maybe they should make a movie about Congress. Their approval rating is even lower than Bushs. Hopefully I dont get flamed.
  • Hunter Stephenson
    @ Pook

    I don't think I'm misinterpreting. The article says "there will be no more war movies from the master of the genre." As for the "bummer" quote, yes, clearly high profile Iraq films have not played well on the big screen with American audiences, but there is still a vacancy for the Platoon, Apocalypse Now or Full Metal Jacket of Iraq War films. Someone is bound to make it eventually, and for now documentaries are better-suited for the issues at hand.

    I could see Stone attempting to create such a film later in his career---look at Clint Eastwood's WWII entries. The arc of the Iraq War isn't (nearly) over, which makes it difficult to tackle artistically. Our eyes are currently centered (or media-directed) on the war room and politics. Stone could have gone full-throttle on 9/11 with World Trade Center, but went soft in my opinion for financial and other reasons.

    I agree that Pinkville would be a less complex shoot compared to Saving Private Ryan on a technical level. However, it would still qualify as a war film and keep Stone active in the genre.
  • SmilingPolitely
    W. will hit at least hit 80 million worldwide. And it will most certainly destroy "An American Carol" Releasing a Pro-Bush, Pro-war Pro-Republican movie during our spectacularly sinking economy? That spells doom for "An American Carol". I don't need to even get into the financial stillborn that "An American Carol" will be in the foreign markets.
  • Pretty sure the mass of people would rather see Mark Wahlberg blowing stuff up than a satire of an administration that's left a lot of people in bad places. I just don't see this movie doing well, especially since they're marketing it as a definite comedy, and not a biopic on the man's life.
  • Pook
    As for the film, I plan to see opening day. Mark Walberg starring in a video game adaptation... no thanks.
  • Pook
    I think you may be misinterpreting, Hunter.

    Stone really means an Iraq war film is too much of a bummer for audiences. Even if he wanted to do one, there isn't an audience for it right now. Financing would be hard to come by .

    As for not wanting to make war films anymore, my impression is that he only means so in the sense of having to stage large, complicated combat scenes. Pinkville isn't a war film like Platoon or Saving Private Ryan. And there wasn't much combat at My Lai. It was just a mass execution. Pinkville would deal with said execution and the subsequent investigation and trial.
  • dlb
    @ Bull

    nail on the head
  • Bull
    Maybe if they actually marketed this movie; I had no interest until I saw the trailer on /film.
  • Captain Awesome
    The other 88 percent had to deal with him and his cabinet's stupidity for 8 years.

    They're not going to watch a movie about him. I don't know anyone who's mentioned this film around me or even brought it up.


    Oliver Stone is done.
  • REAL6
    6.2Million
  • Not sure how much it will make. But I'll be shelling out $10 to check it out.
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