As reported by Jeff Wells awhile back, Religulous has started playing in two theaters (one in NYC and one in Claremont, CA) to fulfill Rule 12 of the Academy’s eligibility rules for Best Documentary nominations. The theaters themselves are out of the way (apparently the one in New York is all the way up on 181st St.) and the film is playing with very little accompanying publicity, as it doesn’t officially open until October 3rd; indeed I spoke with Chud’s Devin Faraci this morning, who saw the film last night in Claremont, and he told me that the theater was half full (although those in attendance enjoyed themselves), and that the film appeared to be playing off of a videotape, indicated by soft edges and poor sound quality.

As a consequence of these early showings, some more reviews are starting to roll in (other than the ones we’ve already seen), giving some insightful impressions into the film. Devin’s review of Religulous went up last night and he gave the movie a 9 out of 10, saying:

As a piece of agitprop op-ed filmmaking, Religulous is often brilliant. It’s definitely hilarious, sometimes to the point of leaving me wheezing and giggling. It’s also essentially irrefutable - the argument between Maher and the believers really boils down to ‘Why do you like chocolate?’ The problem is that nobody makes huge political and military decisions based on how they feel about chocolate. The film’s final moments, where Maher make a passionate exhortation to like-minded doubters to stand up against the irrationality that has gripped our world…could be galvanizing to that silent 16% of Americans - a minority, by the way, bigger than blacks or Jews.

Several episodes back on the /Filmcast, some of us expressed concern that the film was playing to Maher’s weaker aspects as a comedian: namely, his ability to conduct humorous, on-the-spot interviews. Devin seems to think that the film plays to his strengths as an interviewer his HBO show, Real Time, which is a relief to hear. Additionally, Faraci says that the film’s interviews with religious types seem fair and don’t feel like “Gotcha”-type shakedown pieces.

Robert Koehler’s review also went up on Variety last night, calling the ending extremely provocative. According to Koehler:

[The ending] minutes, though, will catch [audiences] up short: Suddenly, the laughs die down, and as in his closing monologues on “Real Time,” Maher turns deadly serious with a final statement that will stir raging arguments in theater lobbies. Considering he was once a minor comic on the circuit and a supporting thesp in generally awful film comedies, Maher’s transformation into one of America’s sharpest social critics is remarkable. He takes no script credit, but his periodic monologues to the camera are undeniably written, and written well.

As a Christian myself, I’m very interested to see how this film treats religion, and whether it will further galvanize the modern Atheist movement, personified by the likes of Dawkins and Hitchens, that seems to be gripping America these days.

  • danno
    atheism gripping america? are you kidding? typical that it's seen as an exaggerated threat. American apathy is what you're reaching for.

    danno
  • Yogi
    @DC: How many books topping the best-seller lists have you read? I'll tell you many I have read: zero.

    I'll make a guess that a majority of Americans would answer similarly. Atheism is still very much a minority view.

    Get back to me when an avowed atheist can get the nomination of one of the major parties for President, then you can say that there's an athesit "movement gripping America." Please.
  • max
    Religion is bad
  • Vin
    An atheist book topping charts in no way means atheism is gripping America. More in tune to it lightly grasping America and trying to shake. Atheism may have become less taboo than it used to be, but in a general sense, a regular American will become angered or find distaste by the idea.
  • Hunter Stephenson
    @ David Chen

    It's not a movement unless there's a recognized "People who do not believe in Leprechauns, Dragons and Unicorns" movement as well. Athiesm is a stupid word and a bogus concept that gives weight to fantasy and mass delusion.
  • A Better Class of Criminal
    As an Agnostic I am really looking forward to this.
    I would really like alot of religious people to see this movie though, maybe it'll serve as a mind opener.
    Sure, it's dificult to change someones belief system... near impossible actually. But maybe it will confuse them enough to shut them up.
  • Captain Awesome
    "modern Atheist movement"

    lol
  • i think it's great to stir discussion. if mel gibson can release The Passion, than Bill Mahr has every right to get this movie out there.

    this type of freedom is what makes this country great.
  • Wow, poor Dave can never get a break :P

    @danno @Vin Maybe "gripping America" is putting it a bit strong, but can you guys seriously say that atheism (and agnosticism) hasn't become much more popular recently? Though I think both Dawkins and Hitchens are just cantankerous wankers who do nothing to help people accept atheism, they *are* vocal wankers, and they've definitely brought the atheism movement to a new level of publicity.

    A recent Pew poll (http://tinyurl.com/58sakf) puts atheism near the level of Judaism in America, and reports of atheism on the rise due to the shit state of the world are fairly common (http://tinyurl.com/37e99t).

    @Hunter I don't even know what to say to that. "Huh?" Comes to mind.
  • BA
    @ Chen
    As a Christian myself, I think "the movement" is more of a
    "what's hot now" phase. It's happened before, and
    none of the arguments are new. Simply retreaded
    soundbytes that were annihilated 800-1500 years
    ago when they first arose. They went away long enough for
    people to forget their defeat and then re-emerged.
    It's just a cycle that will pass. People attack, they find that Christianity (which is where the bulk of the attack is always
    focused) still stands despite their contrary views, then they
    move on.

    In fact, as Christians, we want
    nothing more than to have everyone hear what atheism
    has to offer - After they're done laughing at Christians and
    religion they discover what they believe - you came from nothingness (or aliens ... that came from nothingness),
    you're a product of chance, your actions
    and thoughts are merely puppet-like functionalities guided by
    nature ... which is puppeteered by nothingness.
    The love you have for your mom or wife is just brain
    matter stuff. Your 80 or 2 more years on this earth is all
    you'll ever have, you have no purpose, and you're an accident.
    We know it's a bit of downer, and we can't really prove it; in
    fact all of the above is scientifically untestable ... but it's true ...
    we think. So just don't think about it until we do prove it
    and spend your time making fun of the equally untestable
    claims of Christians, because they believe in the
    stupidest things and can't prove they're side to our
    satisfaction.

    Brilliant.
  • Roberto
    Question for believers:

    What exactly are you picturing in your head when you speak of "God"? How do you define the term?

    LOL@BA. "Equally untestable"! Good one. Too bad it's not true.
  • fabescore
    @ BA: Wtf? nice rant?


    Just becasue mary had sex before marriage and then lied about it so she wouldn't come off as a whore, doesn't mean people in general should kill others in the name of her bastard son, or his alleged father that lives in the sky. Why beleive in religion, why beleive in evolution, is there a religion called 'i don't give a fuck'? cause i really don't give a fuck. what i can't stand is all this arguing in circles over something thats provable, but Rome is preventing.

    anycrap, bill maher is a pimp. James Woods, respect.
  • Hunter Stephenson
    @ Devindra

    Any 20something who honestly believes there is a man with a beard who lives in the sky and listens to your "prayer mail" and plays a factor in daily life is really confused. It's really no different from publicly believing in Santa Claus. How is professing belief in a "guy(s) in the sky" different from believing in Unicorns or Leprechauns or Genies and meeting up and singing songs about it?

    Christianity's underlying supernatural beliefs are the "BIG HUH?" to use your words. Saying that a kingdom in the clouds (or any type of gateway) is bullshit is simply being a responsible human being.

    This is not a movement. It's not "what's hot." Putting these common spin and trend words on common sense is petty.
  • Hunter Stephenson
    @ Devindra

    And your comment "atheism is on the rise due to the shit state of the world"...

    I would argue that religion has thrived like a virus due to the fact that "the shit state of the world" is ongoing and has been for a long, long time.

    Bring on the supernatural elevator that is The Rapture. Seriously.
  • Neo
    its refreshing to see a film about another point of view on a topic that so few are willing to discuss in the Land of The Free. i'm agnostic, but i'm not against Religion. i AM against blind belief in anything, whether its Religion or whether the Moon is made of cheese. i see alot of Fear in Religion and Fear is a great tool for those who want to control US. Jesus was a Great Man and was Way ahead of his time. he was a Progressive, NOT a conservative, and if he was alive today, he'd be called a Liberal. that's a dirty little fact that the Religious Reich doesn't want anyone to know. Jesus was NOT about the status quo, he was about Change and the Freedom from dominance by those who OWN everything(the top 2 or 3% of the population). Jesus would be shocked to find that the same Conservative Owners of America are "preaching" his teachings. imagine that, Jesus, a Liberal Democrat. no THAT's something to think about in this day and age.
  • @BA

    "Simply retreaded soundbytes (sic) that were annihilated 800-1500 years ago when they first arose."

    Wha? Russell's teapot. Evolution destroying a literal interpretation of Genesis. Geology and physics destroying young earth creationists. The whole wonder of the natural sciences just "soundbytes"?

    "Christianity is where the bulk of the attack is always focused"

    Persecution complex much? While I'll agree that examples of the indefensible in Christianity are provided in atheist essays, one religion is seldom raised above others as somehow "more religious" and therefore more wrong. Aha. I guess you just have subjective bias and feel yours is somehow The One That Challenges the Atheists the Most.

    "We know it’s a bit of downer, and ... scientifically untestable ..."

    Do you even know what "scientifically testable" means? One thing it doesn't mean is "it has to make us feel better." Look at the world, offer an explanation, observe and test. Science is quite simple, amoral, and a-emotional. Sorry it doesn't make you feel warm at night, but when I read about the wonders of this world and this universe and what nature can achieve ... that is more wonder than I could ever need.

    I'm not so empty that I need to posit a Magic Sky Daddy that somehow puts humans at the center of all existence. The universe is much too dynamic and beautiful to bend to the delusions that occurred to people living in only a fraction of humankind's rich history.

    (Dammit. I think I just got suckered in by a troll...)
  • WInk
    Being a Christian,
    I am not going to support anything that sacrileges Jesus, and says that we are all dumb. It takes more faith to believe that God did NOT create this world and send His Son for us, and it all happened by chance (intelligent design everywhere you look Romans 1:20).
  • Roberto
    Well, that settles it you guys. It's right there in Romans 1:20. Can't argue with ancient texts. They are NEVER wrong about anything. Game over man.
  • BA
    @ Roberto

    It's a little funny how your response exactly defines
    what I laid out - Laughter followed by an untestable,
    ad hominem accusation. Nice.

    Not true? Well then, by all means, please enlighten us
    all with testable evidence that supports any of
    the atheistic claims I listed (and these are indeed from
    atheists, not from my imagination) or deny those claims
    and deny atheism, whichever.
  • A Better Class of Criminal
    @ BA and Wink,

    Athiests and Agnostics (like myself) do not believe we came from nothingness. In fact most Scientists adhere to the Static State theory that the Cosmos has allways existed in it's current 3-dimensional state. Our Universe is one of many.
    All the laws of the Cosmos, such as gravity, are constants and cannot be changed.
    The fact that we, one universe of many, galaxy of many, one solar system of many, one planet of many, are The one out of trillions upon trillions that happened to have the environmental and biological traits available to support life is incredibly likely.
    If you roll the dice enough it will come up with every number... most planets do not sustain life.
    Also the fact that we are not at the center of anything (solar system, galaxy, universe, cosmos) gives rise to the question... Why would an intelligent being "create" all this to support so little?

    It is more reasonable not to believe in something you have no proof of than to assume it exists.

    Take Bigfoot... what little evidence we do have is only enough to get a small amount of believers to assume it as an absolute.
    If I told you there is an invisible man in my closet (and that is all the evidence you have) then you are more likely to not believe it... but search it out none the less.
    Why would anyone searching for the truth ASSUME anything until it is proven?

    There are more arguments, but this simplistic one will suffice.

    Oh, and saying we are all a "bunch of brain matter" is not how I would put it at all. I would say that we are the product of a natural evolutionary cycle in the cells of life. Our conciesness, emotions, free-will is proof enough of our ethical importance.

    Take that and smoke it in your Jesus pipe.

    Oh and sorry for turning this into a debate/rant thing but those statements really irk me.
  • fabescore
    @ WInk: really? i know the Commenting Rules say to debate intelligently, but when the subject matter is illogical, its not necessarily doable. When did logic/reason get thrown out the fucking window? Good morales aside, the bible is bullshit.
  • Vin
    @Devindra

    I never said it hadn't become more popular, but "gripping America" is an overstatement. Atheism isn't a prevalent choice that is admitted beyond the internet, because regardless of our freedoms, society binds people to being a religious person.
  • A Better Class of Criminal
    @ BA,

    I wonder why the God of the cosmos, universe, galaxy, solar system, all of planet earth would only reveal the truth to a small group of Jews and no one else.
    I wonder how a book that has been compiled by man, written by man, some books were left out and other put in by man, re-written and re-translated by man, put into hundreds of different versions over several centuries by man... could actually be the one true written word of the creator of the universe.

    I just wonder these things.
  • BA
    @ Scott

    The scientific method was developed by believers.

    Look it up, yo.
  • fabescore
    @ A Better Class Of Criminal: Word Life!
  • BA
    @ criminal

    No credible scientist believes in an eternal universe. "It would have frozen over an eternity ago" is the consensus that destroyed that theory. Thanks though.
  • jackal27
    I'm a student at a Christian college and I'm torn on whether or not to see this movie because of my beliefs and frankly because I don't want to pay for it, haha.

    Also, you know the only thing dumber than all the points I've heard (from both sides) so far? Arguing on the internet. Seriously.

    Also, other Christians, saying "It's all faith.", "You can see God in creation.", "I know because I...", and "The Bible says..." are terrible arguments... Especially when arguing the existence of God. Learn some apologetics and philosophy. There is so much evidence for the existence of God outside of The Bible itself, so do your homework and learn to make valid points, or don't make any at all. If you don't, you'll be doing more damage than help. Just some advice.

    Also, give evidence to the existence of God first and THEN that the Bible inerrant.
  • BA
    Lots of intelligent ad hominems. Nice.

    Try this: Less internet. More objective primary source material. I know it takes time, but it will be worth the effort.
  • A Better Class of Criminal
    @ WInk

    Please, do tell how it is easier to believe that an invisible, all powerfull, everwhere present being created everything... than it is to believe that the cosmos has allways existed and life was a random roll of the dice and is proven to be so based on how few planets actually sustain life.
  • edc
    better class, because God IS the universe, so all men and women are made of God.
    yes, before you write [in a high pitched whiny tone], even hitler, and Gandhi, everyone and everything.

    atheism, a religion for stupid people.
  • A Better Class of Criminal
    @ BA

    I said an eternal Cosmos not an eternal Universe.

    Two incredibly different things man.
  • A Better Class of Criminal
    @ edc...

    1. Prove it.

    2. How can I write in a lower tone?

    3. Athiesm isn't a religion it's the absence of it.
  • @BA

    And Hitler was a Christian. Look it up, yo. And Jesus was a Jew so Jews must be "better" because they came first and "created" Christianity.

    Oh. That really doesn't prove anything, does it? Ad hominem indeed...
  • BA
    @ A Better Class of Criminal

    Cosmos:

    The world or universe regarded as an orderly,
    harmonious system. Greek term for the harmonious
    structure of the universe

    2 completely different things? Wow. Stop, please.
  • edc
    neo, I think america would have to seek out Yeshua, seeing as how he would be in Israel but yeah.. if they did find a guy with a beard, preaching freedom and not going to war - he'd be branded a terrorist.

    thanks, conservative america.
  • A Better Class of Criminal
    @ BA

    I don't know what dictionary your reading in but the meaning of the cosmos has changed since the multi-verse theory.

    That definition was written before the multi-verse theory was brought to the attention of scientist.

    The cosmos means "everything that exists". We used to believe that the solar system was all that existed, and the Greeks referred to our solar system as the "universe" and the "cosmos".

    Once we discovered out Milky Way Galaxy, the Cosmos was suddenly expanded in our knowlege of all that exists. The same happened when multiple Galaxies were found by HUBLE.

    Now scientist theorize the logical next step... multiple solar systems, multiple galaxies, mulitple universes are very well accepted among the scientific community.
  • BA
    @ Scott

    The "being influenced by Luther" is not evidence that
    Hitler was a Christian. And of course saying "I'm a
    Christian" (which Hitler never did anyway) means
    nothing. Anyone can say that. "You'll know them
    by their actions" is the phrase that comes to mind.

    Jesus was a Jew. Very good. He carried the title
    "Christ" and denounced Judaism. So those who
    believe upon Him refer to themselves as
    Christians. Not that tough, eh?

    And did you just throw out two ad hominems in
    order to make my factual statement look like
    an adhominem? I like it. Ruthless.
  • A Better Class of Criminal
    @ BA,

    What the f**k is you deal with hominems?
  • BA
    @ A Better Class of Criminal

    No doubt. Multiple universes are accepted. None of them,
    nor an encompassing natural element surrounding or
    begetting them, is accepted in the scientific community.
    Thanks again though. Come back down whenever you're
    ready.
  • BA
    @ A Better Class of Criminal

    I just point ad hominems out when I see them. And I see
    them alot here. Apparently you all don't run into many
    intelligent believers. Too bad.

    I'll let ya'll rant on though. I'm sure you'll find many others
    that are unprepared for your arguments. However, I got
    Friday off and a weekend to tend to. Blessings.
  • fabescore
    @ BA:

    Intelligent Believgers? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. thats precious.
  • Arch Stanton
    Hitchens is often brilliant, Dawkins is a complete tool, I wouldn't just throw them together. It's like using Cassius Clay and Spike Lee as your only examples of black people. Easy, but kinda ridiculous.
  • A Better Class of Criminal
    @ BA

    I appreciate believers who are actually willing to delve into scientific thought and give a good debate... thankfully your one of them. Props.

    But Multi-verses are accepted by scientist, including Dr. Stephen Hawking, and we don't believe it because it was written in a book.


    The reason I am agnostic in the religious realm is the same reason I'm agnostic in the scientific realm.

    You just can't assume anything. You can have theorys, you can have possibilities based on possible evidence. But you can't ever, ever assume anything.
    Proof is allways needed.
    The Truth is out there, but if you think you can know the truth without proof... well then your going against the laws of logical and mathematical processes.

    Doubt everything, believe what you know, accept nothing without proof, debate constantly... then the truth will be found.
  • @Hunter I wasn't really defending Christianity, I was questioning your statement on atheism. I'm personally an agnostic atheist, and I have no idea what you were trying to get at with your initial comment.

    Sounds to me you're carrying a bit of an atheist bent yourself, do you find it cool just not to be labeled as such? :P Dawkins and his followers are fundamentalist atheists--they won't do much to change theist's minds because they're too busy telling them how stupid they are. What we need is more understanding between atheist and theist types, less school-yard name calling.
  • fabescore
    @Devindra:

    An Agnostic Atheist is also known as an idiot right?
  • EvenStephen7
    Sorry but I gotta say...atheism is basically a form of religion. Yes, you don't worship a specific deity, but you still worship the idea that there isn't one. A group of people getting angry with people who disagree with their beliefs, enjoy the company of people who do agree with their beleifs, and argue about their beleifs ( not beleiving in God is a belief, like it or not. You BELEIVE there is no God, you don't know...any more than a Christian KNOWS there is a God). I'm not painting all atheists with a broad stroke here, there are many open-minded, good people on both sides. And even though I'm Christian, I don't beleive you have to be one to get to Heaven ( just be a good person). But arguing it's not basically a religion? It holds no water.
  • Pete (original)
    @ EvenStephen7 " And even though I’m Christian, I don’t beleive you have to be one to get to Heaven ( just be a good person). "

    you just ruined your argument. Jesus said, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life...and whoever believes in Me shall not perish but have eternal life.

    so for you, as a Christian, to say that all you need to do to go to Heaven is to be a good person, is just flat out wrong.

    and for all you others, I'm not saying you're right or wrong, cuz that would take too long, but I just want you to know that there was a man who was God. His name was Jesus Christ. and He died for all of you, so that just by believing in Him and that He has saved you from your sins, you may live with him eternally in Heaven, or that "magic sky" as some of you have called it.
  • Goobity
    @ Jackal27:" I’m a student at a Christian college and I’m torn on whether or not to see this movie because of my beliefs"

    Why? Are your beliefs so thin that seeing a movie will shatter them?

    @ Pete (original): "I’m not saying you’re right or wrong, cuz that would take too long, but I just want you to know that there was a man who was God. His name was Jesus Christ."

    Well, thank God you don't have time to tell us all how wrong we are. It seems you're thinking that you're too special for us, eh? Who's going to save you from your self-rightousness and judgement of others? How Christian of you.

    It's just a movie, morons. If you can't abide debate, then get on your knees and pray.
  • Gaius
    I'm an atheist, probably so much as to be called anti-theist since I do believe that religion is a harmful belief system, but I hate when you believers and fellow atheists fight about this stuff. It's so insecure to do.

    I used to be a cantankerous atheist who enjoyed destroying the arguments of believers, but that was when I was a teen. Both sides have a majority that really needs to grow up.

    Anyway, the reason why my fellow atheists shouldn't fight with complete wastes of humanity like the believers is because there is so much evidence to show that like the universe, atheism is expanding. The more we evolve, develop, learn, etc, the more atheist the world becomes. It's just really a matter of time before we stop looking to the sky and look at each other and the true beauty of the world and the worlds around us. That's why fundamentalist believers really want some really catastrophic shit to go down, folks. They know that eventually, theism will wane, and they see their way of live becoming more and more obsolete. What better way for people to accept religion than to literally put them back in the stone age with something like a plague or a polar shift, right? Anyway, no theist will ever be able to bring about such a regression, so I'm just going to sit here and watch the world gradually shift towards rationality and be comforted by the fact that my future children and their future children will have less and less to encounter when it comes to religion. You guys can just keep on spouting the same old arguments over and over again at each other. That's really helping progress, atheists...
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