When it comes to interviews, George Lucas is like that dad who never says anything too out of line, but leaves you pissed off and checking for emotional and totally unnecessary welts. In a new interview with the Times Online, he discusses Indiana Jones 5 and takes more shots at Crystal Skull and Steven Spielberg

“If I can come up with another idea that they like, we’ll do another. Really, with the last one, Steven wasn’t that enthusiastic. I was trying to persuade him. But now Steve is more amenable to doing another one. Yet we still have the issues about the direction we’d like to take. I’m in the future; Steven’s in the past. He’s trying to drag it back to the way they were, I’m trying to push it to a whole different place. So, still we have a sort of tension. This recent one came out of that. It’s kind of a hybrid of our own two ideas, so we’ll see where we are able to take the next one.”

Great. Read the above quote and imagine he’s weighing out whether to take a shit before he leaves Spielberg’s manse. It’s no different. Moreover, it turns out that Spielberg and Harrison Ford aren’t avatars, and they are simply too rich and powerful…

“Indiana Jones only becomes complicated when you have another two people saying ‘I want it this way’ and ‘I want it that way’, whereas, when I first did Jones, I just said, ‘We’ll do it this way’ — and that was much easier. But now I have to accommodate everybody, because they are all big, successful guys, too, so it’s a little hard on a practical level.”

Painful. Maybe he should hire Phil Jackson as a consultant? Lucas says he looms over a realm called the “father’s world,” whereas his empire’s video games, merch and books are the “son’s world.” As for the fans and bloggers? We are the “holy ghost”—now you know—and Lucas says we can “go our own way.” Fleetwood Mactastic. Outside of more Star Wars and Indiana Jones, Lucas still aspires to make those personal films. This is probably my fave Lucas quote of all time…

“I can’t say yet, but [my next films will] be personal. In fact, I’d sooner just make them and not even release them, just put them on the shelf, like ships in a bottle — ‘Oh, look, let me show you my collection.’ Unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way. Films are a very expensive hobby. And you have to get people to want to go and see them.”

You see, these guitars cannot be played, touched even. Don’t point!

  • Rorschach
    If he makes another movie....I kill another puppy.
  • Chump Force 1
    Indaiana Jones 5 -- The Kingdom of the DUI.
  • mikelmc
    Your prejudices are clearly on display. I find those comments to be remarkably candid. Lucas wants to take the series in a different direction, and he has to get Spielberg and Ford to agree. That's more detail than the usual "we're waiting for the right script" crap that is usually thrown around Hollywood.
  • Hunter Stephenson
    @mikelmc

    "Your prejudices are clearly on display."

    obvsssssssssssss.
  • Captain Awesome
    Someone needs to push Lucas into a really deep hole in the ground.
  • Wow, Lucas does sound like a dork... But it has become normal already.
    If the screenplay is as good as the one for TKOTCS, then why not? Koepp sucks and he pulled the best thing he's ever done out of his butt with KOTCS.
    But without Spielberg, it wouldn't be so interesting.
  • Lucas needs to be hit by a car and dragged underneath it for several blocks. I think his time in the hospital will help him with his perspective on reality. After years of recovery, he will state he was glad it happened, and that he is a better person now because of it.

    Any volunteers?
    ( Must have a drivers license and their own car. )
  • Brody
    Hire Phil Jackson........that was funny.
  • Jeff
    *slams head off of the desk until cerebral hemorrhage becomes an issue*
  • skaught
    why does he want to take a tried and true trilogy/character in a new direction? go create something new you stupid bearded hack.
  • Jerris Beutler's Day On
    Hunter, you clearly have issues with your dad.
  • Goobity
    "In fact, I’d sooner just make them and not even release them, just put them on the shelf"

    Yeah, but you didn't did you George?

    "And you have to get people to want to go and see them."

    And when lifelong fans are repeatedly dismayed at the end results? What then?

    I'm going my own way now, thank you.
  • A Better Class of Criminal
    What happened to George Lucas?!!? Where did it all go wrong!?!
    The Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Last Crusade, American Graffiti... and now you want to go in a "new" direction... Like what?! Phantom Menace and Crystal Skull!??!

    Aye, I have a headache.

    Jerris,

    Why are you such a freaking jackass all the time? Why do you even post on here?
  • w smith
    George, go make something new and stop milking ideas you came up with over 25 years ago. I hope Spielberg doesn't waste anymore time with more Indy parodies - his own creative judgment is now in serious question as far as I'm concerned. The problem is, none of these guys are hungry anymore. Creatively, financially - they've done it all and had it all - it's hard to have moments of truly brilliant inspiration when you're at the top and you've been there for decades. I say it's time for all of them to retire and spend more time funding young up and coming filmmakers.
  • thomas040
    w smith: well said!
  • Jerris Beutler's Day On
    I like George Lucas quotes taken out of context. Didn't GL and Hunter and all of us go through this exercise not too long ago?

    I want to meet another movie fan who 1. Doesn't hate on Lucas, and 2. Thought tdk was 'aight, neither here or there'.

    That is the world unscathed by bandwagon riding online tards I hope to one day live in.
  • Rob
    Say what you will about Lucas, but it is Speilberg's man-crush on Turd-Boy Shia LeBeouf that helped to ruin Indy 4. Can Speilberg even produce any movies anymore without Shia in it. Speilberg is convinced that LeBeouf is the next Harrison Ford. For that alone, you gotta question his judgement as much as Lucas. Maybe LeBeouf can make a total craptastic buddy movie with Hayden Christensen produced by Lucas and directed by Speilberg.
  • Quenfis
    w smith, if that is your real name ;o, you're dead on. Why can't he befriend some of the young talented directors out there and help them, financially, get "their" movies told. His movies are not good. He had great movies, and now has a skewed vision of what movies should be. The fact that he wants to jack things up with CG and Spielberg wants to keep it old school shows you how delusional he is.

    There was a Lucas action figure at one of the Comic-Con booths, flipping off the crowd. I took a pic of it. It was exactly what everyone is thinking about him right now. I found it incredibly hilarious and true.

    Hunters blog comments cracked me up on this one.
  • Steelo
    I say it's the crack
  • igroveman
    I hate George Lucas. All you have to do is read the writing on the wall, it has nothing to do with bandwagons. He displays senility with erudite clarity.
  • Captain Awesome
    The overall problem with Lucas is that he fucking whines and whines about how he "hates" or is tired of Star Wars, yet keeps making the same tired shit. Didn't he go on and on about how "film is dead" and that he was planning to go the whole "TV is the future" shit? What happened to that? or him wanting to do "smaller" more independant type films like he said?

    He probably realizes that he has the franchises he helped create and can't go outside of those. He might as well run Indy into the ground like he did SW. Indy cartoons, Indy all CG movie, Indy vs Darth Vader and so on.

    I think the reason why he cant work with other directors because he's a difficult prick to work with. Spielberg's known him long enough to tune him out I think.
  • andy
    Jeepies Christ. As I see it, he CREATED the character, and can do what he pleases. You also have to give him credit for founding Industrial Light & Magic, which has pioneered the technology behind countless big blockbusters. Give him a break. Just because Kingdom of the Crystal Skull wasn't the movie you would have made doesn't mean it shouldn't have been made.
  • Arch Stanton
    Someone needs to tell Lucas that only the first Indy was worth watching. Then again, as long as people are stupid enough to pay to see Spielberg and Ford phone it in, Lucas would be a fool not to sit back and count the money.
  • Ender
    The main problem I see is that he has completely disregarded the people who are paying money to see his movies. Not like he cares, apparently, as the commenters above have stated: "he's no longer hungry."

    Unlike some people, I don't want to see him hit by a car or his kid get cancer or anything, but someone seriously has to stand up to him and shout, because he's apparently not listening to his fans... or critics... or anyone.
  • Bean
    Kubrick didn't give a shit of what others thought. That's what made him so great. Let Lucas make movies the way he wants. You can watch them or you can avoid them. Just stop bitching.
  • Ender
    Kubrick also wasn't making sequels to beloved childhood films. People would bitch like crazy if he had made a horrendously crappy sequel to E.T. or something.

    I also don't see anyone lining up to make Eyes Wide Shut 2 or Full Metal Jacket Returns, and if someone did, I bet you'd complain about it.
  • Bean
    I don't think it's fair to put down sequels in general. The Empire Strikes Back was incredible. I would complain about a sequel to any of Kubrick's work, but that's only because he made stand-alone works of art, not franchises. Sequels are an abomination for his style. But Star Wars and Indiana Jones aren't the same ball park. "It aint even the same ****ing sport." It's only fitting that Lucasfilm Ltd. has so many sequels, prequels, spin-offs, cartoons, candies, games, books, etc. It's commercial entertainment. But even so, Lucas proved himself as a very talented director and artist in the original Star Wars, American Graffiti, and Episode 3. If Lucas ever sold out, it had to have started with Star Wars (1977) being with all of the merchandise and whatnot. So if you think of it that way, not much has really changed.
  • Ender
    I'm not putting down sequels, and I agree that Empire was fantastic, and I also love Last Crusade. But since Episode I, I've seen nothing but silliness come out of a Lucas-directed or Lucas-produced film. And that's the best way I can put it: silly. The only exception to this was Episode III, which was pretty good. But there's a reason Crystal Skull is the lowest-rated Indiana Jones movie with a 6.7 on the IMDB and that's because it's juvenile and silly (which, incidentally, puts it behind another archeology adventure, The Mummy, at 6.8).

    In other words, I watched Battlestar because it was what the Star Wars prequels should have been. I'm not against sequels... I'm against BAD sequels.
  • Bean
    See Episode 3 was cool and it showed some of his strengths as a serious director, although his best stuff yet came from the 70's. And Indy 4 was way better than Temple of Doom. THAT was silly. How The Mummy got a higher rating on the IMDB is totally beyond me. Remember Willow? That was a good kids movie. IMDB hates it. IMDB is good for a lot of things like keeping up to date on film makers and their work. But Crystal Skulls is in no way sillier than a Brendan Fraser movie.
  • Ender
    You know, I think we actually agree on this more than we disagree (who knew that could happen on the interwebs!?). Temple of Doom was crazy, and I did like Willow. I also think it's humorous that your handle is Bean, since that was Ender's friend in the Enders Game book series, although I'm guessing yours is from a different source.
  • Bean
    That's exactly why I picked the screen name Bean. It couldn't be more fitting.
  • M&Co
    Ah George Lucas - I don't think there's ever been such a high profile case of someone single handedly dismantling all the good will and idolization they built up over their career.

    What I really don't understand though, is why people build up their hopes and expectations around his projects. I mean the Indy movies have sucked, exponentially, since the first film. And Star Wars has been so thoroughly whored out and deconstructed that it's become profane.

    w smith really hit the nail on the thing though. Lucas needs to start spending on all those ill gotten millions on nurturing new talent instead of stuffing it in his neck.
  • sam
    the film had no heart. no sense of danger. (life hanging in the balance) The main ingredients that made Indiana Jones into a classic. It felt painful to watch whilst bordering on boredom. Please tell me Mr George Lucas, you dont want to take this franchise into this new direction. Due to too much CGI eg.( ewoks meets Tarzan meets madagascar) The edge of the seat tension that made the previous movies so good was missing. the enemy had no substance therefore no fear or peril was felt throughout the movie. So if you do go in this direction(is it because you want a younger audience?) good luck. Not as if you would care but i wont be buying a ticket to sit through another indy flick
  • I love the people who are telling someone successful to go make something new and/or to retire. If you think you have a better idea, please do go and write/direct/whatever that idea yourself.

    But George is making and PERSONALLY paying for the movies he wants to make, thereby proving the "hack" comments to be factually inaccurate (and rather unoriginal, from a "feisty, against-the-grain internet commenter" standpoint). And I get such joy out of reading people berating him for "not listening to fans or critics". Umm... that's pretty standard and kind of the point of being in a creative, artistic medium like film. Filmmakers with confidence in themselves and their craft don't bend to the will of others -- because artists don't create art for fans or critics or whomever, they create it for their own reasons. Critique the man's movies all you would like but to suggest that he should listen to other people in determining what to make? How selfish and small-minded can you be? His name is on it -- why would he want to make someone else's movie if his name is on it?

    And to all the people wishing he would "retire and support young filmmakers"... be more bitter, please. If you want to see something new on the screen or in the stores, go do something about it -- it's not George's job (or any other filmmaker's job) to make something that meets your desires nor is he obligated to give someone a handout (although many of you clearly have done zero research in just how many people have been helped and are employed -- given their first major industry jobs -- by ILM, Lucasfilm, Lucasarts, etc.)

    Please stop feeding the internet movie fan stereotype.
  • sam
    And maybe, it just might win a few Academy Awards too. So leave mr lucas alone
  • Captain Awesome
    I have a much better idea.

    Indiana Jones hat becomes possessed with the ghost of Ted Roosevelt. It tap dances around and helps Indy find the lost body of Jimmy Hoffa. The problem? It was taken by aliens to make into space "coke".

    Indy builds an X-Wing to go into space and take out the "coked-out" aliens holding the body captive. Indy joins forces with Mr. T and they upload a virus into the aliens mainframe using an Ipod.

    - roll credits -
  • w smith
    Justin: "handouts"? Last time I checked studios make millions of dollars a year by investing in projects they believe will be successful - nobody said anything about handouts. Geroge Lucas is a good business man - he should keep that in mind and stop pretending he is still a good filmmaker. You seem to be a Lucas fanboy - you are entitled to that, just as I am entitled to say he has lost any semblance of the creative spark he once had. Get over it, and stop telling other people what opinions they're allowed to have or express on the Internet.
  • Seems he is seeking extramarital relationships on the rich men seeking affairs club ?W e a l t h y L o v e scom? , reported by the magazine wealTHY GOSSIP, the man wants to find a sugar girl there.
  • Rex
    I'd wager without Lucas Spielberg and Ford would make a better Indy flick just to show him & his ego up. Indy is about the past not the future and Lucas just seem to cant help himself with messing things up.

    I love the last quote about the ships in a bottle because that is a perfect analogy to another egomaniac the singer "Prince" who made all these music videos which keeps locked away and doesn't let anybody see.
  • M&Co
    Justin nobody's denying that Lucas has made (major) contributions to the industry but the fact that he has, by his own free will, invested a small fortune into his passion doesn't excuse the fact that his creative output over the last decade or so has been dross, and that he's pissed all over his own legacy.

    What people are suggesting is that he swings his considerable weight in the direction of some worthy new creatives, and provide opportunity where there was otherwise was none. Kinda like a big old kind hearted uncle with deep pockets for emerging visionaries. I don't really think that's such a bad thing - or maybe you'd prefer Star Wars 7, 8 & 9: Still Warin' After All Of These Years.
  • DF
    Lucas is old and confused... I think he may be so far detached with the mainstream media that he honestly isn't aware that there have been other movies make besides his. The Crystal Skull had elements of x-files, x-man, Caddyshack , George of the Jungle, National Treasure! It was awful!
    He's like your grandfather who thinks somebody should make a phone that doesn't need to be plugged into a wall and that you could carry with you... "Yes old-timer, it's called a cell phone - now finish your rice pudding.
    Not one event in The Crystal Skull was an original concept, the acting was terrible and the characters cliche to the point of mockery, the visual effects were that of a television show... the whole thing was like a screen test gone wrong - then packaged and sold on hype.
    Have a nap old-timer, save your stories for your grand-kids.
  • OhNoItsGojira
    I'm still waiting for George Lucas to actually make a good movie by himself, as in direct. Yeah, he directed the original Star Wars and thats great and all; but then he goes on to ruin possibly the greatest film franchise ever with extremely flat, horribly written prequels. Come on George! Its okay to leave the ranch every once in a while (Clone Wars..::cough, cough::). Really, in all honesty, Peter Jackson dominates George Lucas now. There is no denying The Lord of the Rings.
  • 790
    Lmao Cap Awesome, I have some ideas on how the aliens are crystal and Indy, uses a jews harp to shatter them and their interdimensional cloud city. Mr T, dosnt make it, and its a real bummer ending.

    W Smith good points.

    Did you guys read that Shia (Mutt) was involved in a DUI crash last night.
    Stupid ass flipped his car and was taken to the Hospital.......
    He's such a badass, rebel,,,, ;-)
  • MusicCityKid
    In regards to the "tension" between Steven and George and their fight over the story direction...

    Spielberg: Schindler's List
    Lucas: Howard the Duck (Exec Producer, but still)
  • Rob
    Even allowing these are taken out of context... the very idea that Lucas is all about the future is frankly laughable. It does sound as if he's spent a little too long with the yes-men around him.

    And to think Lucas *started* with THX 1138 & American Graffiti.
  • Many of you seem to be missing the point. If you interpret his quotes above differently than I do, that's fine, I'm not going to tell you what to think (because everything can be interpreted in unique ways). Here's the point: HE BELIEVES the Prequels, Crystal Skull, Clone Wars and whatever else were/are "worthy new creatives" that provide many people opportunities (because they do -- the Fox studios in Sydney and the newer Lucas Animation branch being good examples) and that they are worth his time and money. You disagree, that's fine (I disagree sometimes, too). But the world has validated his belief many times over; those four films averaged 72% positive reviews, 7.0 on IMDb fan ratings, and each averaged just under $800 million worldwide box office.

    So while you didn't like one or two or all of those endeavors, what reasonable argument can be made that he should he do something drastically different, either with those movies or with his money, in general? They were the movies he wanted to make, they made crazy money (even moreso when you factor in DVD and merchandise) and people generally liked them (to the tune of seven out of every 10 people). Does he have too many "yes men" around him? Probably. At a certain point, extremely successful people do. But it has yet to prove a liability for him (see: box office and popular/critical reception numbers above).

    I don't care if you don't like any or all of his work (I admittedly do not like many things about every movie he's made), but the gripes that he "should" do something else (or "needs" to do something different) are just a foolish proposal, both for Lucas the businessman and Lucas the artist. Why? Why should he change what he's doing? "He's pissing all over his legacy"? According to you, maybe, but he doesn't live according to you (or me, or anyone). Should he live according to someone else? It'd be tough to convince him to do so, as he's still making (retarded amounts of) money and enjoying what he's doing.

    Maybe it's just me but whenever I read someone berate George Lucas or Kevin Smith or another filmmaker to "do something different" or "help out someone with REAL talent", it comes off as extremely childish and bitter.

    (And Lucas is extremely forward-thinking. Anyone who knows anything about film and his career would know this. Maybe you've heard of some of them. Using popular source music in a film? Motion control cameras? Pioneering multimedia movie merchandising? Pixar? The Avid non-linear editing system? THX sound? Computer generated imagery? First completely digital main character? He's one of the biggest proponents of the next-generation digital film/projection and he's not "all about the future"? You're going to go on the record with that statement? He's been funding cutting-edge cinema developments since the Cold War... but he's not all about the future. Right. Okay.)
  • 790
    Very well put Justin !!
    Great points !!!
  • M&Co
    Justin your whole argument is flawed. Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's GOOD. McDonald's sell burgers by the millions - does that mean we should stop seeking better quality food and business practices?

    Also I'd wager that a majority of the posters here are aware of the technical advancements in film that have come about as a direct result of Lucas. This doesn't change the fact that Indy 4 and the prequels are awful films. Ok, sure, none of us have the right to put a gun to his head and script under his nose and say "make this film bitch", but we can still voice our opinion on what level his latest movie reaches on the stink-o-meter, and suggest that maybe he give up the ghost.
  • 790
    M&Co , you don't speak for me ...........
    You claim its a FACT that Indy 4 and all those prequels are aweful films. That's YOUR opinion. Not everyones. (Last I checked I didn't wake up in a Borg Alcove.)
    Sure I have some problems with them but they are enjoyable films to me.

    Lucas has his faults, (I think we all agree) but too jump all over other peoples opinions because they don't line up with yours is halarious...

    We are the M&Co,,, resistance is futile.
  • I never argued that "his movies made money and were popular, therefore they are good". I was saying that a majority of fans and critics enjoyed his last four films and therefore, he has no impetus to try something different, at any level (whether that's good, bad, or indifferent is up to the viewer).

    He is in control of his movies, so he clearly likes/is satisfied with what he's putting out there and when they make $800 million and please most critics... why should he go and wonder "what the hell am I doing wrong?" He had fun making the movies he wanted to make, and most everyone responded positively. Done. Success, as far as he's concerned. This is not me defending him or his movies, nor is it an attack on those who did not like the movies -- it's the explanation as to why he's not retiring or doing something drastically different. And that explanation is apparently lost on many people amidst their distaste for something like Attack of the Clones.

    If his movies sold no tickets, moved no DVDs, got ripped apart by critics, put him more and more in debt and THEN he continued to make films of comparable quality... his hesitance to tinker with his formula would be legitimately confounding. But that's not the case. He created Movie A and it was pretty well-received. He made Movie A again. It was well-received. He did it again. And it worked. And again. And it worked.

    Would I like to see him try a story on a smaller scale or more of a dramatic, human movie or something, rather than a space opera or an action/adventure flick? Sure, why not; bring it on. But that thought (which several of you also seem to have, in some regard) and the ostensible difference of opinion between you and George doesn't mean he is in anyway obligated to stop doing what he's been doing, as several of you are implying. He'll make smaller/different movies if he wants to, when he wants to. He'll produce more movies by other people if and when he wants to. These changes of direction are not, by any means, something he MUST do.

    And you can say "I hated [Lucas movie]" as much as you want -- I never intimated that you couldn't question his creative decisions or motivations or abilities as a filmmaker or merely voice an opinion about someone (I have, plenty of times), it just seems that everyone who didn't like Phantom Menace or Crystal Skull suddenly starts to de-construct the man personally with acidic adolescent insults simply because of a difference in taste. And that is the epitome of petty.
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