NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Why cant we leave things be? We dont need a "new" one
The old one was perfect. Leave things be, come up with new ideas, original ideas.

Let red dawn be

ahhhhh, Red Dawn, I know it well, the old teen-patriot game set around a good old cold war turned HOLY FUCKING SHIT ITS THE MEXICANS!!!!!! exept they're CBJ.........

Why do I get the feeling this is going to star Shia Labeouf?

Please MGM no.

I am all about this remake. If they cast it right and don't corn it up and make it pg or some crap like that. Take a page from the newest Rambo bloodfest. it screams LETS DO THIS!

I actually bought RED DAWN right after the attacks on my city. I thought it fit the times. A remake could be good.

This will either be awesomely terrible or terribly awesome.

I'm interested.

"Don't cry! Hold it back! Just let it turn into something else. Let it turn... into something else."

As long as this isn't an exact formula copy updated for today, it will be awesome. I hope.



"BOYS! AVENGE ME! AVENGE ME!"
If they keep that line this movie will own.

THIS IS AN ACT OF DESPERATION BY HOLLYWOOD. RED DAWN WOULD NOT MAKE ANY SENSE TO RE-MAKE. IT IS A PERIOD PIECE- ABOUT THE RUSSIANS/CUBANOS. GOOD LUCK! UGH...

I saw "9/11" and I stopped caring.

I was never a huge fan of the original. The only time it is mentioned in most media circles is to point out that it was the first PG-13 rated film ever. It was the Brat Pack meets Rambo. It was ok, but nothing spectacular.

I think if they are going to remake films, this is the way to go. Find an average or mediocre film with a good premise and remake it. That way most people won't go into the movie with such a passionate bias against it. It worked for Oceans 11.

I thought movies like Rob Zombie's Halloween were undone because of the conscious effort to "pay tribute" to the original. With a lesser film, the need is less neccessary (again like Oceans 11). Granted Red Dawn does have a decent following.

Man, I remember making cardboard tube RPGs with my friend after watching Red Dawn. We painted them and everything. Good times.

I'll watch a remake, but I'm guessing even the source material wouldn't be nearly as cool to me now as it was when I was a kid.

And yeah, it'll totally star Shia. And it'll be set on a college campus.

Sounds dumb as hell.

Of course, with P.C. Hollywood, the "terrorists" will be right-wing white guys... just like the "terrorists" in 'Sum of All Fears' transmorphed from muslims to skinheads...

Now if this movie has a bunch of American-loving kids hunting down jihadist sleeper cells, then you'd have something.

Let's see what happens...

I reject this totally.

@ J.D.

What the hell are you talking about? Besides Lost's Sayid, name a prominent male Muslim character that wasn't a terrorist in the past 20 years.

The original Red Dawn is a favorite among youngish Neocons. It appealed to a jingoistic, simplistic, ignorant base. These folks tapped their Red Dawn fervor and couldn't wait to start a war with Iraq.

A lot of good that did us.

The last thing we need right now is another Red Dawn. And in a post-Team America: World Police world, what's the effing point?

Remember not to leave your laptop at the Starbucks!!! Liberal prick!

hahaha me and my friends had neighborhood warz after that movie, it was great. oh to be 10 again lol

@ edog

Besides '24' -- which has terrorists of all racial backgrounds -- do tell how many muslim terrorists have been the focus of storylines POST-9/11. I'd like to see your list.

Nevertheless, you've missed my point entirely.

The point: p.c.-liberal-hollywood types are SO scared to make terrorists Muslims these days that we get white neo-nazis blowing up Baltimore in 'Sum of All Fears' rather than the jihadists who did it in the book. We get 'extremist white guys' apparently being the bad guys in the forthcoming G.I.-Joe film. We get white terrorists in 'Live Free or Die Hard.' We get white terrorists in the 'Borne Ultimatum.' Even James Bond, who once openly fought Soviets (which made sense considering that they were the world's biggest threat at the time), has not yet found himself fighting the modern threat of jihad. Instead, he's fighting newspaper editors, money launderers, Koreans, and more Russians.

It's as if the jihadists were so effective with their 9/11 attack to the point where hollywood is so scared to even raise the idea of muslims being terrorists anymore. Yeah, we had True Lies before 9/11, but isn't the idea of "middle easterners as terrorists" much more relevant today than ever before?

JD, you're a moron. I'm a Muslim American and I have seen NOTHING but Muslims being portrayed as terrorists on TV and in movies.

Grow up, white boy, and stop being so whiney.

I don't see how this is even possible to remake. There is no credible threat to the US that is remotely comparable to the Soviets in the 70s and 80s. The idea of using a country like China is bad enough. But terrorists? Puh-leeze.

This film will be Teh Suck.

J.D.,

The Oklahoma Bombing was done by a "white" American. So It's not such a stretch.

Who cares. Red Dawn was a terrible movie, quite possible one of the worse movies ever made. This will surely be just as terrible, guaranteed. Hollywood always fucks up remakes.

@ Broomstick.

You're an American. The jihadists don't care what you look like or if you call yourself a "Muslim-American." They'd fly you into a building just as soon as they'd slit your throat. So don't direct your anger at me.

Maybe Broomstick, the Capitan, and Edog can all work together and come up with a list of post-9/11 movies and shows that have fictionalized muslim terrorists. Until then, none of you have addressed any of my points. Hollywood has been frightened into removing all ties between muslims and terrorism since the twin towers fell. It's as simple as that. So now we have G.I. Joe battling a scottish gun runner. Ha! We've grown so scared to the point where it's becoming politically incorrect to even mention that millions of muslims all over the world (assuming that at least 10% of muslims worldwide are jihadist terrorists) want to kill us all.

Why has the attack on U.S. soil strengthened hollywood's resolve to disregard the obvious?

(Math: 1.2 billion Muslims worldwide. 10% = over 100 million.)

jonathan makes a good point, i rewatched this movie last year and it wasn't nearly as good as when i was 10 lol and it was the 80's

ANGRY BROOMSTICK!!!!!!!!!! Says:
"JD, you’re a moron. I’m a Muslim American and I have seen NOTHING but Muslims being portrayed as terrorists on TV and in movies."

the truth hurts sometimes dude

haha

A Red Dawn remake thread now turned into a horribly political one.

I wish we could nuke the internet sometimes.

Red Dawn is one of the worst films I have ever seen. The only thing that kept its head above water was its original concept. The execution was absolutely horrible. If you don't agree, you are viewing it with rose-colored glasses. They seriously put final cuts into that movie that I couldn't believe made it in and had about as much polish as your average first time backyard garage movie directed by a 13 year old.

igroveman,

It was a real piece of shit.

whatever, I loved this movie

I dont think its pro war at all, I think it shows the horrible side of war very well

I don't think we need a remake, they can still make a great film with the same topic, I can't fucking understand why it needs to be a remake...

"I think it shows the horrible side of war very well"

It also shows that Uwe Boll would have been very successful during the 80's. Most likely a billionaire by now.

@ J.D.

I'm not sure whether your point is that Hollywood is too PC to have non-white villains or simply Muslim villains. You're certainly implying, however, that any film that doesn't suggest that Muslims are the only enemy is to PC. First off, you need to compare before and after 2001 to be able to pull off that claim, and so far you're relying on one data point: Sum of All Fears. Second, a number of movies and TV shows have shown Muslims and nonwhites as bad guys.


But you asked for a list, so here are some counterpoints to your argument (Note: my inclusion of these shows and movies should not be construed as a criticism). Here are some off the top of my head.

TV:
Sleeper Cell
24 (you can't write it off)
The Unit
Lost (see Sayid's personal history)
Alias

Movies:
Iron Man
The Kingdom
United 93
Black Hawk Down

At the end of the day, it shouldn't matter where the attackers in Red Dawn II are from, because any invader short of China is preposterous.

P.S. Jason Bourne's main enemy was the U.S. government, I don't know how or why you'd expect him to attack sleeper cells.

@ edog

Thanks for responding. I'm simply surprised that there has been such trepidation and apprehension from the media elite since 9/11 about using muslims as terrorists in fictional films. There's more justification for making muslim terrorists the "bad guys" than ever before, just like there was logic in making the "bad guys" the Soviets during the Cold War. I can't remember anyone getting apoplectic about the Soviets being the "bad guys" in Red Dawn -- it seems Hollywood acknowledgedly the threat back then. Today, now that the nuke-seeking enemy is largely muslim, it seems as if Hollywood doesn't want to acknowledge that fact.

Certainly whites and non-whites can be "bad guys" in television. I think '24' is a great example of how people of all racial and ethnic backgrounds can be terrorists. But remember how a couple of seasons ago, when the fictional terrorists WERE muslim, the producers felt it necessary to have Kiefer make a 30-second statement at every commercial break? Here's the ridiculous, overly-sensitive statement, verbatim:

"Hi. My name is Kiefer Sutherland. And I play counter-terrorist agent Jack Bauer on Fox's '24'. I would like to take a moment to talk to you about something that I think is very important. Now while terrorism is obviously one of the most critical challenges facing our nation and the world, it is important to recognize that the American Muslim community stands firmly beside their fellow Americans in denouncing and resisting all forms of terrorism. So in watching 24, please, bear that in mind."

Jesus, it's so patronizing and pathetic. Why wasn't there a similar disclaimer last season, e.g.: "Not all Chinese want to kill you. Not all Russians are bad people." Yada, yada.

Bottom line: Since radial jihadists attacked us on 9/11, Hollywood has been scarred about even breaching the relationship between Islam and terrorism. It's a head-in-the-sand mentality that will kill us.

As for your television list, I think you have to admit it's pretty unpersuasive. Sydney Bristow wasn't battling Muslims in any memorable storylines; LOST's Sayid was briefly thought to be a terrorist, but it's not like the island is trying to kill him, nor is he trying to blow up the island; the Unit I'm just not familiar with, but that might be a good example. As for the short-lived Sleeper Cell, do you see how Hollywood felt it necessary to make the "good guy" FBI agent a "practicing Muslim" so that when he goes after the jihadists, the producers can feel better about themselves? And those "jihadists," interestingly, included a white european woman, a hispanic, and a gay muslim. So ridiculous.

As for your movies, Ironman and the Kingdom are good counterpoints. Thank you for those. But the 9/11 movie and Black Hawk Down are both semi-documentaries and I don't think it possible for writers to avoid reality there.

We'll see what happens to Red Dawn II. True, the Chinese would make a good enemy. But I can assure there would be plenty of fear and trepidation coming out of Hollywood on the idea of offending the Chinese. But if a producer thinks that a film like Red Dawn -- which was memorable because it involved a real enemy -- can be remade with an enemy that has no bearing on reality, the only "bomb" he should be worry about is his own film.

@ edog

Thanks for responding. I'm simply surprised that there has been such trepidation and apprehension from the media elite since 9/11 about using muslims as terrorists in fictional films. There's more justification for making muslim terrorists the "bad guys" than ever before, just like there was logic in making the "bad guys" the Soviets during the Cold War. I can't remember anyone getting apoplectic about the Soviets being the "bad guys" in Red Dawn -- it seems Hollywood acknowledgedly the threat back then. Today, now that the nuke-seeking enemy is largely muslim, it seems as if Hollywood doesn't want to acknowledge that fact.

Certainly whites and non-whites can be "bad guys" in television. I think '24' is a great example of how people of all racial and ethnic backgrounds can be terrorists. But remember how a couple of seasons ago, when the fictional terrorists WERE muslim, the producers felt it necessary to have Kiefer make a 30-second statement at every commercial break? Here's the ridiculous, overly-sensitive statement, verbatim:

"Hi. My name is Kiefer Sutherland. And I play counter-terrorist agent Jack Bauer on Fox's '24'. I would like to take a moment to talk to you about something that I think is very important. Now while terrorism is obviously one of the most critical challenges facing our nation and the world, it is important to recognize that the American Muslim community stands firmly beside their fellow Americans in denouncing and resisting all forms of terrorism. So in watching 24, please, bear that in mind."

Jesus, it's so patronizing and pathetic. Why wasn't there a similar disclaimer last season, e.g.: "Not all Chinese want to kill you. Not all Russians are bad people." Yada, yada.

Bottom line: Since radial jihadists attacked us on 9/11, Hollywood has been scarred about even breaching the relationship between Islam and terrorism. It's a head-in-the-sand mentality that will kill us.

As for your television list, I think you have to admit it's pretty unpersuasive. Sydney Bristow wasn't battling Muslims in any memorable storylines; LOST's Sayid was briefly thought to be a terrorist, but it's not like the island is trying to kill him, nor is he trying to blow up the island; the Unit I'm just not familiar with, but that might be a good example. As for the short-lived Sleeper Cell, do you see how Hollywood felt it necessary to make the "good guy" FBI agent a "practicing Muslim" so that when he goes after the jihadists, the producers can feel better about themselves? And those "jihadists," interestingly, included a white european woman, a hispanic, and a gay muslim. So ridiculous.

As for your movies, Ironman and the Kingdom are good counterpoints. Thank you for those. But the 9/11 movie and Black Hawk Down are both semi-documentaries and I don't think it possible for writers to avoid reality there.

We'll see what happens to Red Dawn II. True, the Chinese would make a good enemy. But I can assure there would be plenty of fear and trepidation coming out of Hollywood on the idea of offending the Chinese. But if a producer thinks that a film like Red Dawn -- which was memorable because it involved a real enemy -- can be remade with an enemy that has no bearing on reality, the only "bomb" he should be worry about is his own film...

Let's put Angry Broomstick the the penalty box. Do I have a second?

"Cmon!!!!! HIT me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Hmm. It might be reasonable to have the Chinese and North Koreans in place of the Russians and Cubans, it could still hold the title of Red Dawn. As for Middle Easterners (not going to call them muslims because there are white muslims, asian muslims, black muslims) I don't think that would be a good Idea, even if all the middle eastern countries banded together and attemted an invasion on US soil, it would be impossible because they are still considered 2nd world countries with outdated military gear. As a U.S. Soldier, I would know this, I've served twice over seas, once in Iraq and once in Afghanistan. Anyway, back to the movie, the writer said that it was an alternate reality movie, he said that NATO was disbanded, our troops were kicked out of europe. Mexico and Canada were under communist control and such, so a remake would also be an alternate reality similar to that. I think a remake would be good for today's generation to view just as my generation did when it first came out, because it made me realize "hey, this sort of thing could happen", Its a slap in the face with reality that everyone should recieve, lol, I like that.

It would only make sense if.... A nuke goes off in a major city, then the Federal Government declares Martial Law, curfews, Gun confiscation, & starts censoring the news, and the American people are told that some Muslim country is behind it, when in fact, the current administration is. All in an attempt for the current administration to declare it's supreme ruler, and merge the U.S. with Canada and Mexico. And instate a new currency. The whole thing.
All resisters are to be executed. Soon after this happens, pockets of resistance pop up all around the nation. Then once the troops make it to their town, they are ready for them.

"Give me Liberty or Give me death"!

"Those who sacrifice Liberty for Security deserve neither!"

"From my cold dead hands!"

I have got to chime in here. First I would like to point out that I lived in the town that most of this movie was filmed in, Las Vegas, New Mexico, at the time it was being filmed. I went to the school that was shot up in the beginning. The street I lived on was shown in the opening credits. I saw the movie for the first time in the Drive-In Theater that was use as the prison camp in the movie.

I effing love this movie from beginning to end. It was a powerful movie for its time. Maybe not as powerful as The Day After, but it was filmed in a time before political correctness was ever heard of. Film makers to day take into consideration the feelings of everyone when making a movie and that is why 99% of all movies these days suck donkey balls.

But this is not the reason I am writing this. The point I want to make is that film makers and movie studios should not be so damn worried about racial and ethnic sensitivity, especially when it comes to casting terrorists in movies. The reason? Radical jihadists (is that a redundant term?) did not attack the WTC or Pentagon or crash the United flight. It was out American government! Those bastards planned and executed the whole thing, including the controlled demolition of Tower 7! It is not jihadists we need to fear it is our own leaders and the puppeteers who control them. Muslims are used as a scapegoat. Portrayed as the boogy man under your bed by a media whore controlled by these same puppet masters. Bin Ladin and Hussein are or were murderous bastards, sure, but these are not the people we need to fear. They are always saying that there was a plot discovered to attack this place or that place. But no one ever shows evidence of this. We are all being fed a load of crap everyday and I think that whatever film maker and studio that makes this movie needs to buck the system and make it the way it should be made. SCREW RACIAL AND ETHNIC SENSITIVITY!!!!

LOL, so what... Al-Quada is going to take over America... with their paratroopers and high speed air force? LOL Give me a break

Sorry, but right now... While we are fighting 2 counter insurgancies.....seems kind of Ironic...No?

I don't know why people see this so hard to adapt to today...as recent as the start of October, Russia, China and Iran have been in secret talks trying to determine how to deal with the US involvement with the Global Financial Crisis and, and...They happen to have the upper hand and we are so in a bad position to defend ourselves now. Our military is deployed to over 200 countries, engaged in a two front war, our troops that are stationed here have been through a meat grinder, some serving as many as 7 tours in Iraq or Afghanistan. We are in debt up to our eyeballs, buy 70% of our energy from countries that don't like us, and the world feels that we need to be put in our place...what better time than the present? Ronald Regan's strategy of the Cold War was to bankrupt Russia...how easy would that same strategy work on us today? Not plausable??? Then draw another connection...Sen. Joe Biden says at a fund raiser to mark his words...If Obama is eleceted the world will test this young Senator President with a manufactured crisis...Check your self! Maybe you should get your hunting rifle cleaned up and keep an eye to the sky!

Reply PART 1

I think the new version needs a change in direction.

Imagine a silver tongued, Chicago thug (politician), with absolutely no qualifications for office, elected (with the help of the left wing media) to the Presidency by the most ignorant, celebrity adoring electorate in history. Once in office, he appoints some of the worst nut cases from a previous President's Cabinet. Together, with an assist from various disgusting terrorist figures from his past, they plan to take over not only the USA but the world.

Ah! But he is shortly exposed(by himself) as being a radical Marxist and resistance to his reign starts to build. He immediately (aided and abetted by associated nut cases in the legislative branch) starts to implement a series of draconian economic measures of a Constitutionally shady nature. Not being gulled in by the thug and friends, there arises a minority in the legislature that start to spread the word of his infamy.

Reply PART 2
He tries to silence the "Talk Radio Giants" with anti free speech regulation. In this, only partially successful, he only draws the ire of more freedom loving people. His popularity suffers. He becomes more arrogant and demands more of his mostly unwilling subjects. He has planned from the beginning to bankrupt most of the population and make them enslaved to his bureaucracy,,but they're starting to fight back.

Some of his political party are starting to expose more of his perfidious nature.

As things regress for him, he realizes that some scapegoats are needed. He's got to put his foot in someone's face to show he means business. He selects a small town in the middle of nowhere to show his might. The populace is mostly against him and have let him know it in no uncertain terms. There are a few "cool aid drinking" supporters that attempt to disable, by various lies, election fraud and other skulduggery, any resistance.

Reply PART 3
Military means must be employed!

He commands the governor of the state(election fraud) to call out the National Guard of the state to subdue these rebels. Unfortunately for the Governor and President, the National Guard is a hotbed of freedom loving patriots. After some common sense persuasion they join the people of the town in resistance to the, now mad, dictator.

Through the contacts of the National Guardsmen and the townspeople more military and civilian resistance is mounted.

Soon, the Dictator and his cronies are deposed. As time goes on other members, including many in the legislature and judicial, of the conspiracy to destroy the country are rooted out and put out to pasture. Of course some of those engaged in provable illegal activities are rounded up, tried and exiled to Gitmo. A few are found to be treasonous and executed. The Dictator is adjudged to be criminally insane and institutionalized for life at Gitmo

I am all for it, but this movie needs to have John Milius involved & swap out the Mexicans & cubans for the CHINESE Army & this time have them invade the west coast, with the Russains invading the east coast & the Midwest.. Can't wait, for a fresh new spin on this great classic movie of my youth which scarred the hell out of me when I was 13..

The point is, eddog, that every culture on earth, every state that exists, exists to survive and flourish. Every conflict the US has had a hand in, had a hand in it with other states, other cultures. We are a world of competing ants. My point is that the ants i march along with are ants that think like me. Just as the ants who march against us think like each other. Therefore when our cultures march we march as one or march to our destruction. Your self-righteous rant only highlights your inability to see the big picture, and by marching against us, you march with our enemies.

everyone misses the point why would terrorists invade a country? They like causing the most collateral damage possible. They use guerilla tactics and hit the populous of the country not the military. I would bet since it is a remake of Red Dawn that it will involve North Korea and/or China. Seeing as Russia is not much of a threat these days. Play off the fears of a billion chinese parachuting into San Fransico. :)

I think the first biggest problem in making a Red Dawn movie is that unlike back in the 80's where the Soviets actually WERE a big threat, who can ACTUALLY stand up to and succeed in a real invasion of the continental United States?

I mean sure, North Korea, Iran etc. etc. are threats to the US, but more to US interests, not to the US itself. And speaking as a Chinese, I really don't think it'd be realistic to portray China invading the US- we rely too much on our good trade relations to risk that XD.

The movie would probably fail as soon as it beings, as in this "realistic" world, where most movie goers want to have a movie grounded in realism it just isn't feasible for ANY country to successfully occupy the US.

Still, if it had good action and fight sequences and not TOO much stereotyping, I wouldn't mind seeing it, even if the Chinese are the bad guys :D

The single greatest motivator for Hollywood movie makers is not race, religeon, or even political corectness. Its money. Thats why 99% of movies are rated PG-13 or less. If a movie is rated R you lose millions of potential ticket sales by restricting your audiance to those over the age of 17. In the 80's many more movies were made per year than there are now. The movies made in the 80's werent under the pressure current movies are to pull in blockbuster ticket sales and record breaking earnings. There were a great many more movies rated R as well. Not every movie had a multi-million dollar budget. Concequently the movies were'nt always good and didnt appeal to everyone like most movies today try to do. But we still went to see them, and they still made money, just not the kind of money they make today. Its not fear of being seen as racist or stereotyping that influences movie makers. Its fear of low ticket sales, period.

The invaders are going to be the chinese