Comments on: Round 2: Comic Writer Jeph Loeb Defends Robin’s Place In Chris Nolan’s Batman Trilogy. Agree?

By: logan_nagol

logan_nagol — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:39:14 +0000

I was thinking, if anyone should play Robin (if there is an absolute desire) it should be…"hands down"…Justin Chatwin. I also was brainstorming on upcomming possible roles for the batman movies, and i thought Jonny Depp as the riddler and Philip Seymour Hoffman as peguin (excelent choices, i'd have to say) then i thought about "what about robin, will he be introduced" and after seeing Justin Chatwin in the movie "the Invisible" that was it, so i starting suggesting it to my friends and they we're all like, "that would be perfect" so i believe if robin comes in, he should most definatly be played by Justin Chatwin.

So if you agree, start spreading it around and maybe just maybe, Chris Nolan might consider this.

If you disagree, state your reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Chatwin

By: Joey

Joey — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 06:05:34 +0000

I agree 100% Robin would be awesome. He just needs to be darkened a little or… a lot. Like they should start the movie off where Dick Grayson’s parents are murdered by Zucco (perhaps a vicious serial killer in this version) and bruce wayne reluctantly adopts Dick. When Dick is at Wayne Manor and Batman is off working on his case, Dick occasionally sneaks out and helps Batman (without Batman wanting this). Batman then tells Robin (not knowing he’s Grayson) “Whoever the hell you are, I don’t need your help”, Robin then replies “Looks to me like you need all the help you can get”, Batman then says “I don’t want to see you out here again!” and threatens him. Later on Bruce finds out that Dick is Robin. Robin then states that he wants to help Batman and Bruce refuses. Robin helps him anyway and is never seen with batman after this movie. I think this would be a good way to make a Nightwing spinoff movie or a Titans movie.

By: Bruce

Bruce — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:44:32 +0000

i think the idea of robin might not work (Might not) not hey i think chris nolan has got the midas touch n can do anythin.any ways as i was sayin i think robin might not work but the idea of a night wing might work….sum 1 other than bat man.
sumthin of tht sort

By: HarveyTwo

HarveyTwo — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:01:24 +0000

I love Jeph Loeb’s work as much as anybody and respect his work’s influence on the new movies - but I must disagree with the addition of Robin.

Not only is the idea of a young boy fighting crime amongst great physical danger completely out of the realistic world of Nolan’s Batman but Bale’s Batman is not at the stage where the conversation of being a parent is up for question.

I believe that the next stage for Bale’s Batman is to survive the war that the police and criminals have waged on him at TDK’s ending…

Pulling a young boy into the equation would be stupid and Batman would never do it given the danger that surrounds him.

A new love interest is required and we need to know for sure which Villain is to step into the ring

By: Germ-Tremor

Germ-Tremor — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:59:15 +0000

If Nolan should add a robin, it should be post-crisis Jason. Jason seems to be a Robin that would best fit in Nolan’s Batman.

By: D.C. Kantel

D.C. Kantel — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:02:01 +0000

To add - I’ve no one person in mind as an actor the play Dick Grayson. If I were pushed with Violence, I’d say you have two options. A young Grayson could easily be played by Alex Etel (Millions, Water Horse), or an Older Grayson played by Erik Knudsen (Saw II).

By: D.C. Kantel

D.C. Kantel — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:47:19 +0000

In my opinion, there is one thing that Nolan needs to focus on in the third film. The first depicted Batman as the man who overcame fear. The second showed that he is incorruptible. The third MUST show that he is the world’s greatest detective.

Dick Grayson can be used to help portray that. As far as Robin goes, I never thought Robin would be an image Batman would utilize along side his. It could be a rapid stepping stone, but Batman’s angle is fear. Once under Wayne’s tutelage, Grayson (I think) would become Nightwing. I would have more readily said Raven as an icon, but that is already another DC heroine.

No matter what age Dick Grayson is, he has to display a maturity that puts him identifiable in Batman’s eyes. One way to do that is to show the extent of his talents early on. I wouldn’t even depict his parent’s murder - make it an afterthought or a reminiscence once Batman and he cross paths.

Dick Grayson could very easily take on a vigilante role Iconizing Batman, but taking it too far by say killing people or crossing lines Batman won’t cross. When they actually encounter each other, his skill level would have to stand out extraordinarily forcing Batman to step up and be the master and teacher he has to be. Hell, there can even be a tied duality between Batman as the father figure and Catwoman asking the crucial question to both Batman and Nightwing “What makes your brand of Justice so righteous?”

On that note, Robin and Catwoman could very easily make a dual effort to sack Wayne enterprises (Or the soon to be complete renovated Wayne Manor) to get the money and technology they seek to further their efforts. In doing so, they discover Batman’s identity. This pushes another point that Batman cannot be everywhere at once - ergo his need for a partner. (Actually, if you want to make it interesting… well… have them rob LexCorp)

At the ending however I would think it best to see the two of them Part ways. Being so much alike, Grayson would want a certain solitude that being a student wouldn’t

This is, in the end my opinion. I’d be honored if Christopher Nolan even read it. Batman has such a deep complexity and dynamic nature that any number of avenues can be explored successfully. Even in the Justice League, Batman is consistently painted as the architect of saving grace. Like it or not, the man shrouded in darkness successfully steals the spotlight.
And returns it with a Batman Symbol on it.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:08:51 +0000

Nolan could and should do it the right way.

Robin’s origin story and Batman’s mentoring of him would perfectly compliment Nolan’s story thus far and cap of the trilogy.

Robin could be used to show Batman moving past his parents murder becoming a mentoring father figure for someone else who has felt the effects of the criminal element of the world.

I similarly believe Wayne taking in Dick Grayson and not showing him being trained or revealing him as Robing till the end of the third act would be brilliant.

By: Germ-Tremor

Germ-Tremor — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:12:17 +0000

I’m sorry, but robin is a no-go. I mean is one of my favorite sidekicks in DC, the thing is once you add a kid into the mix it automatically becomes a kids movie. And from what dark knight proved, Nolan’s batman is NOT for kids.

But if it were me and I was literally forced to put Grayson in, I would do that… but not him as robin. Just stick him in the last five minutes of the movie someway. leave the rest to the audience’s imagination.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:28:46 +0000

To the person who wrote this
This is how a good Robin would go down:
You do your Batman story as planned; Gordon, Rachel, Alfred, Lucius, villains… whatever.
But then you have a subplot where it starts off with Batman feeling like he’s being watched or followed… not in a threatening way but just a presence hiding in the shadows, whenever Batman is out on the town.
Then later on in the film you have a sequence with Batman trying to test whoever is following him by jumping, swinging, flying through the city; and to much of his surprise, whoever it is, they can keep up with Batman.
Then, as all of this is going on, Batman and Gordon receive little tips left behind at the Bat signal by someone who knows the city’s crime dealings at the street level, and signs the tips as “Robin”.
Then, you have the story wrap up and the movie ready to end but Batman decides to catch his mysterious stalker now that the big story is over… He catches his follower and realizes he’s just a kid; and not only just a kid, but “Robin”… Then you leave it at that and whoever takes over after Nolan can ruin it.
I’m telling you, that’s the best way it’ll work!

I dont’ know it might work but someone else said that the end of 3 should end at the circus with grayson’s parents dying and bruce looking on while the screen fades to black.I like that idea.

If anyone had to be cast as a 14 year old robin then i guess josh hutcherson would work then if they decide to create nightwing in later films then milo ventimiglia would be a pretty good nightwing.

By: Derek

Derek — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:52:30 +0000

I totally agree with Sean! Have robin’s parents killed at the circus at the end of the next movie. That way if they ever do a Nightwing movie. The next director would start off the movie showing the training of Robin under Batman. In which he transforms himself into Nightwing. The colour of his outfit would be (dark blue) and the emblem (silver).

By: Chaddo

Chaddo — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:32:55 +0000

Introducing Robin is a bad idea. The series narrative would be disrupted. The first film, BATMAN BEGINS was about establishing the character… the second film is about more lofty, abstract things like escalation and leaves many unresolved tensions.

You would have to take a complete detour to establish the Robin backstory, and the wonderful continuity of this serious would be shattered. Bad idea.

By: Sean

Sean — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:36:09 +0000

The only way I would like to see any hint of Robin in the next film is if Nolan closes it with Bruce Wayne at the circus when Dick Grayson’s parents are killed and then fades to black and the end credits. Other than that Robin is too goofy and light to fit in to the Nolan vision.

By: Magpie

Magpie — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:33:00 +0000

It has to be Dick Grayson surely. Robin can act as a foil to Batman’s darkness without being too childishly petulent.

By: Gary

Gary — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:41:30 +0000

I just think adding Robin for the sake of adding him is one of the many things that were awful about the abomination Joel Schumaker made with “Batman Forever.” I doubt Chris Nolan is capable of destroying the franchise as badly as that, but where “The Dark Knight” leaves off, Batman is still evaluating his role and duties in Gotham City. I don’t see Batman/Bruce Wayne at a stage just yet, in Nolan’s incarnation of the story, to have the patience and dedication to train a teenager how to do what he does. I’m not saying never introduce Robin… if done correctly, it would be awesome. But let Batman develop and get to know himself better.

By: colejac

colejac — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:17:25 +0000

Also, would you rather have Nolan develop and introduce Robin or the next guy in the wings to do it in batman4? He is going to be brought in eventually, so might as well have Nolan do it and make his role relativly small but strong.

By: colejac

colejac — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:09:31 +0000

I think that batman 3 should follow the dark victory comic series. Have the 2 face villain storyline with Catwoman love/hate relationship, Wayne manor and the bat cave already rebuilt. Batman should still be struggling with Gotham, but by developing dick Grayson he has hope. Robin should appear and help batman achieve victory in the end, finishing Nolan’s trilogy on a positive note with a huge opening for someone else to pick up the reigns later on.
Robin is definitely a make or break character for the series, and I would like to see him make it. There is only room for improvement and I think Robin deserves to be rewritten in Nolan’s world.

By: Gary

Gary — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:27:16 +0000

I think it’s way too early in the storyline that is currently in place for the addition of Robin. Batman is still too much of an outcast and a loner. In the comics, it seems Batman was a little more established in Gotham City before Robin became part of the picture.

By: Wabasha

Wabasha — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:27:20 +0000

I’ve always been a Robin fan, but I don’t think that he would work in Nolan’s vision. Trying to get this character to work would take not only a ton of work from the writers, but whoever would protray him would have to really flex their acting muscles. So, no i don’t think that bringing him in would be a good idea. However, I can’t say i’m against a Dick Grayson cameo.

By: the man in the mask

the man in the mask — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:24:48 +0000

ok well so far i’ve been reading that Robin has no place in Christoper Nolan’s Batman franchise. I’m here to say that if any of the Bat family has any place in this franchise it is Robin. Look back to the 1940’s the Golden age of comics. when Robin was first introduced the story’s where filled with thugs and mobsters and where filled with violence, so much in fact that parents where writing DC asking to bring it down a notch due to young readers, when robin was brought into the sereies the story line was in a violent mob war like time, much like nolan’s franchise.
Robin is a very solid charachter and an important to the Batstory line. He is the Light that keeps Batman/Bruce Wayne from falling completley into the Darkness.
If done right and I don’t think Nolan or Goyer could go wrong, could make a Bat movie just as good as both Begins and TDK and still have Robin in the mix.
not to mention for only being 12 years old He can hold his own against the thugs and supervillans that Gotham city has to offer.