WHAT?!?: Has the Ending/Mega-Spoiler For Terminator 4 Been Revealed?

Posted on Tuesday, June 3rd, 2008 by Hunter Stephenson

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“I have arrived to destroy your Internetz!”

We’ve held off on posting about the gargantuan Terminator 4 spoiler that hit AICN yesterday because it just seemed so ‘tarded. Then again, this is a PG-13 Terminator with a subtitle that belongs on a Madonna biography, so anything can happen. ;) Well, CHUD has connected the dots based on their own inside info and the verdict is that the ending/mega-spoiler may very well be legit. In their words, AICN just kicked McG’s film (the new first in a new trilogy) “in the balls.” Need I say that everything below this point is glowing radioactive with SPOILERS so do not read if you think your exoskeleton will melt.

Discuss: Please let us know what you think, you daring spoiler-seekers. Do you still have doubts (about the spoiler’s authenticity)? If it is indeed legit, do you feel this twist is a zany dealbreaker, because I do?

Here’s the original spoiler…

“Alright so the main character is a cyborg named Marcus. For some background, Marcus was a criminal who was executed in 2003. He donated his body to Project Angel which was involved with SkyNet. They take his body and make a terminator out of him so he’s a terminator skeleton but has living muscle/skin and a beating heart too. At the end of the movie John Connor is fighting a T800 model 101 and loses. He dies and the top resistance people come up with a plan to help the resistance keep fighting on. The resistance feels that it’s important to keep the image or idea that John Connor is still alive so the resistance keeps going. So they rip off Marcus’ skin and put John Connor’s on the skeleton so now Marcus is John Connor.”

Like I said, this post is dipped in spoiler substance, and no, it’s not safe to continue reading. Okay, so I liked Face/Off for what it was, but, if true, this is just too much. Devin at CHUD checked with numerous sources and came back with this…

“The rest of AICN/Mori’s spoiler - about the fate of Christian Bale’s John Connor - is stuff that I cannot confirm as solidly as Marcus the cyborg, but is what I had come to believe after talking to multiple sources. You may remember that I ran with the story that Bale would be playing a Terminator… well, I was sort of right. The confusion arose from the fact that by the end of the film, Connor is dead and Marcus, the cyborg Terminator, is impersonating him. “

There’s the possibility that the spoiler originates from an earlier draft, but if not, CHUD says “it’s on the money.” More on this as it develops.

Discuss: Please let us know what you think. Do you still have doubts? If it is indeed legit, do you feel this twist is a smelly dealbreaker, because I do?

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  • Christopher Edwards
    Sounds like a good idea to start a trilogy with, but if this is the biggest story plot that happens in the first film then it is a shame but they need to have more in it.


    Get Idea
  • Cenzo
    Please explain why you think its a smelly dealbreaker? I think a John Conner cyborg was inevitable. This can make for future action packed fight scenes with cyborg vs cyborg... hero vs villain.

    But... questions arise.... if John Conner is in fact dead, how did his skin get placed on Marcus? And why is Marcus now 'good' if he was evil before? Did Marcus die too so the resistance could place John Conner's skin on him? Or did they use Marcus' cyborg parts to make the real John Conner (brain, heart, and all) still alive?

    Spoiler or not... its a good plot. I'm tired of fancy boy happy endings with no originality. Maybe if you can explain to me why a human John Conner is better than a fake cyborg John Conner, then we can debate this.

    But... I think it's AWESOME!
  • J.D.
    NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!!!!!

    NO MORE SPOILERS!

    I REFUSE TO READ!

    "Spit it out, Dr. Jones! Iz bad! Iz bad!"
  • ANGRY BROOMSTICK!!!
    Look, I'm a HUGE Terminator fan. But please just f--king stop with the sequels. I'm so sick of it all.
  • simon
    I really do wish i never read this spoiler on AICN to begin with but I think the idea of 'the spirit of John Connor' leading humanity isn't THAT horrible. Since the spoiler leaked, I feel its overrepresented for the film as a whole; probably due to it being revealed in isolation. I'd like to think, and really really hope, that its only the hook for the first film and that they got much more installed for us.

    Also, I always found it weird that Bale was announced as taking part in the whole trilogy before Sam Worthington who is supposed to plays the trilogy's protagonist Marcus. I just assumed it was because Bale was the drawcard for the trilogy but it all makes sense now.
  • Bill
    >>AB
    agreed.

    i still haven't seen T3 and don't plan to. and after reading the spoiler, chances are i won't be seeing this one either.
  • Gaius
    I'm not sure why this is surprising since this is what the T-850 revealsed to John Connor in T3: that Skynet sent a T-800 (the model that he had a connection to in T2) to go and kill him, which apparently doesn't sink in by T4.

    While this whole plotline does sound interesting, it really kills what people have been waiting to see all along: an older, battle scarred John Connor leading the resistance, fighting within an inch of his life each day. The producers probably thought seeing John Connor fighting for 3 movies would be boring and that they needed to kill him in order to give the movie more depth, which is certainly needed for a trilogy.

    While I don't have that much of a problem with the ending, I really am a bit disappointed that Connor still gets killed after being warned by the T-850. There better be a damn well written scene where it's believable enough that Connor, despite being warned, is killed in a way he does not expect; such as getting the best of the T-800 thanks to the warning only to get taken down by a secret weapon hidden within the T-800.
  • Shogun Seth
    I think this could be a very interesting twist on the Terminator mythos. Is also puts a lot more emphasis on the commanders under Connor which could be very cool. My one problem....doesn’t that mean that all the other movies to save John Connor are a bust? Will they go into that in the other movies? That the missions to save Connor were just for show, or a ruse? Why do they so the cyborg thing at all? Why not go back in time 10 mins and save him? I am not sold this is true, but it would take some clever writing to make this even half plausible...
  • Axlotl
    I think it would work better if Connor was critically injured and saved by technology gained from Marcus.

    If Connor dies it really cheapens T1/T2 I feel. Terminator is more of Connor's story than the machine's story I feel.
  • Got damn internet.
  • nick
    the story don't work.

    because John Connor sends Kyle Reese back to save his mum, and makes him memorize them words...only the real John Connor would know.and apparently this movie is before he sends Kyle Reese back.

    no brainer this sucks ass and lets not forget this dude made charlies angels 2! do we really want him f-king with this beloved series?
  • Gaius
    "My one problem….doesn’t that mean that all the other movies to save John Connor are a bust?"

    No, because what was important in T1 and T2 was that John Connor would actually exist to lead in the future. He's there to establish a legacy, since after all, he's human and will die sooner or later. Once the resistance has a Che Guevara-like figure for the humans to look up to for generations to come, the storyline in T4 is certainly plausible without hurting T1 and T2.
  • Meli
    This plot, if true, sounds too sci-fi cheesy. I'm already disgruntled
    about this film and this possible plot spoiler doesn't give me
    any more hope that the movie will turn out good.
  • Weak. As long as Brolin is the villain we rock and roll.
  • Chromey
    Yeah, killing the core character of the whole series really gives it more "depth". How about giving it more depth by you know... giving it more depth. Instead they resort to insane gimmicks. This is a Midichloridian level fuck up and sounds like an idea from a direct to video knock-off.
  • SkyNet
    Even I think this is stupid!








    Copyrite Microsoft 2029
  • 'tarded
  • 790
    Wow, what the F__k did I just read?

    This is (if true) the worst idea I have ever heard in my life!!!!! I can't even believe this, its soo assinine. Man I can't get over how stupid this is.

    I'm not even going to type the obvious logic problems with the ripping of the skin and such. Insane. If this is true wow what a dumb concept.


    John Connor was the leader of the resistance because he had the experience to deal with Terminators that mankind didn't. (He wasn't used for moral or to lift the spirits of his resistance soldiers.)
    He was the only one that new Terminators would send in infiltration models and that it would take allmost. 25 years before this would occur. Skynet didn't start building human looking cyborgs till way after Judgement Day.

    Man this is soooo messsed up.

    Its clear (now) that when Mario Kassar sold the rights to the Terminator franchise he made a really bad choice for the fans.

    I can't fricken believe this, unfricken real......!!!!!
  • i>u
    calm down MGM said it filmed another ending bcuz 2 many people heard bout this one
  • a little more than useless
    Well, another beloved franchise receives the proverbial stake through the heart. Not that T3 was that great but at least I could try to forget that it ever happened now that I knew John Connor would be kicking some titanium dome in the new trilogy. I for one thank the guys at AICN and here at /film for posting this... prevented me from actually expecting something out of this mess. The only thing i see saving this now is the performances (and they better be killer).
  • a little more than useless
    Oh yeah, and yes... this is indeed a "big, smelly deal-breaker" to me at least.
  • orange cinema
    it is important to the very foundation of the terminator mythos, that connor is a human, who leads the human race to resurrection/victory.

    first we have to deal with the fact that he's a secondary character, and now he's a goddamn robot?!?!

    i said on other posts i'd hold my pessimism, but like hunter said, this bullshit - if its true - is a dealbreaker.

    no matter how cool it looks, or how many big names they have, or how many special effects they throw in: if the STORY is faulted it will all come crashing down. if an idiot like me can figure that out, why can't these guys?
  • Robspartan
    The continuity and coolness of the first two movies is ruined already. Why sweat it now?
  • orange cinema
    btw you guys: the sarah connor chronicles turned out to be an amazing tv show. i highly recomend it. (not that i'm a super-reliable source, i just think that terminator fans - if they get past the first few episodes - will see that it's really fucking good)
  • LOTNorm
    4. This happens
    5. The resistance finds out this happened and get pissed.
    6. It turns out this didn't really happen but was just to keep Connor safe.


    ... what a twist!

    I dunno, it could possibly turn out to be sort of decent if they happen to maybe do it well enough.
  • Hunter Stephenson
    @ a little more than useless

    Thanks for the extra armor, dude, although from the looks of things in the comments, we won't need it. ;)
  • MIGHT EXPLAIN HOW CONNOR GETS THE HUGH JASS SCAR ON HIS FACE-LOOK AT THE START OF T2...HE'S ALL RUGGEDLY F'D UP.
  • TheDaftPunk
    I don't like this at all, what was the point of the other three movies to keep John Connor alive, only to have him die in the fourth, before the trilogy is even over. I'd like to see a future warrior John Connor kicking some Terminator ass, and eventually finding a way to bring SkyNet down. None of this convoluted John Connor not the main character, cyborg, dying bullshit.
  • Not Billy Mitchell
    This is a mistake of monumental proportions.
  • QuickOats
    The worst thing about Terminator 3 and now Terminator 4 is how much they invalidate the events of the first two movies.
  • Chimaera
    And so the birth of a new Vader is witnessed where our hero becomes more machine than man in a world where he should be more man than machine...killing machines to save mankind...because, well because nobody really knows why....
  • F@£KING IDIOTS!!!!!!
  • Joe Newman
    why make this in a TERMINATOR movie it would work in another movie itself? but The terminator sequels all suck *well only 3, because they ruin the point of the originals
  • Brian Ridings
    This site should completely stay away from stuff like this. What if the rumor is right and this is the ending? It's certainly not as 'off the wall' bad as AICN advertised it, or at least it certainly depends on how it is written. Certainly not too far afield for the genre. I mean, what do people want, more of T3? The Sarah Connor Chronicles? Why not see a new story? And, frankly, leave it to fan-boys to revile this story while embracing boomer-waste-product Ridley Scott's obnoxious final cut of Blade Runner. But my point to this site is more essential; let AICN spoil things because they suck, but don't dwell there yourselves.
  • 790
    Well if you thought the final cut of Blade Runner sucked that explains why you like this concept.

    Thanks /film for saving me 10 bucks on seeing this BS Terminator plot.
  • TK
    There can only be one ending to this new trilogy that would make me drool:


    Regardless of what happens in between, the third movie MUST end with John Connor sending Kyle Reese back in time to save Sarah Connor. They need to set it up so that the story loops back to the beginning where we can watch Terminator 1 right after Terminator 6, and it follows continuity. THAT would be an EPIC SERIES! anyone else agree?
  • 790
    Yeah TK, I agree but by then who's gonna care if John Connor is a Terminator from 2003 (the Angel project)?
    My Gawd that's just the lamest thing I have ever heard today!
  • Chimaera
    Really? You guys want it to end that way? I'd kinda like to see what happens in the future after Kyle gets sent back....but maybe that's just me.
  • 790
    I'd like to see the human John Connor take out the Time Machine..............
    And or reset or restore the timeline for humans.
  • Captain Awesome
    Send a Terminator back in time and assassinate MCG's mother before she gives birth to him.
  • 790
    Capt. Awesome!,
    If McG goes down this dead Conner, future Terminator Salvation route I'm gonna be very pissed off.

    You hear me McG MTFKR?!?!!!

    790
  • Chris McRae
    Well the movie wont be released for another year. Here's hoping the staff of the movie sees how pissed the fans are and realizes what a gigantic mistake this 'twist' ending is, and does reshoots to keep Connor alive.
  • Wally
    Its great allegory. This is where we are heading anyway. I think it is disturbing on a subconscious level to most because the idea that computers will lead us to the singularity is too freaky. Though most scientists say it is inevitable. Many think we will see this in our lifetime.
  • H@2
    i dont belive this. one it sounds like an awsome idea, but what the hell was the point in the first 3 movies. to save a persons skin so they can stick it on a terminator? sounds fake to me but if it is true it would be a really stupid thing to do.
  • deborah_schaaf@clear.net
    I think the ending has potential to be something great but as many have pointed out why save him in three movies just to kill him doesn't seem right.

    if they are going to go ahead with this ending are they going to bring him back say the resistance fake his death create this cyborg look alike while the real john is working in secret?
    or has john got a son who is going to carry on his work?

    i personally think they will ruin the famous terminator by killing the whole point of these movies john conner and his resistance
  • Sounds cool,

    I'm up for it.
  • i'll never understand why you guys want to ruin the moviegoing experience by posting these kinds of massive spoilers. I can understand little things, but the ending of a movie?! Very lame.
  • Arramon
    The teaser trailer kicked ass. I can't wait for the movie. I don't care what its about, just as long as there are 1) robots, 2) Joh Connor, 3) more robots , 4) robots/terminators we haven't seen before but the BOOK says so much about (not to mention the old old arcade game that shows all of the many different robots like snakes and momma-skynet).
    Yall can say what you want... let the movie come out first, then get a rope and string up that McG if it sucks... (since we all know how those other movies he's done really really suck). But I'll give him a chance with kick-ass Christian Bale in his corner.
  • I won't give any merit to rumors anymore, all they do is skew perception. Don't buy it until you see it for yourself.

    There is no fate but what we make for ourselves.

    Find Home Plate.
  • Not Francy
    Isn't this exactly what the studios want? To release "misinformation" to confuse the real story? I think it's bullshit, and falls exactly along the lines of creating viral marketing through ridiculous "spoilers" getting leaked. Hell, this way, FanBoys and Haters all get exactly what they want!

    I'm still going to see the fuck out this movie. :)
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