Comments on: Indiana Jones 4 Shot and Edited like an Old School Action Movie; Four New Television Spots http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/ Blogging the Reel World Sat, 5 Jul 2008 22:27:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Anonymous http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-348758 Anonymous Sat, 24 May 2008 15:54:48 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-348758 It is hard to say, because quick cuts work in some situations, especially in martial arts and sci-fi movies. Mainly because the subjects or actors start to move so fast. You can't really keep up with them in certain long shots. It looks very awkward. But for the most part, I do agree with Spielberg and Ford, because it seems like fast paced movie nowadays using that MTV style editing so much. It is hard to say, because quick cuts work in some situations, especially in martial arts and sci-fi movies. Mainly because the subjects or actors start to move so fast. You can’t really keep up with them in certain long shots. It looks very awkward.

But for the most part, I do agree with Spielberg and Ford, because it seems like fast paced movie nowadays using that MTV style editing so much.

]]> By: Jamie http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-325853 Jamie Thu, 08 May 2008 10:44:59 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-325853 Peter, I apologize for being an asshole. Jamie Peter, I apologize for being an asshole.

Jamie

]]> By: richard richie http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-325357 richard richie Thu, 08 May 2008 03:01:03 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-325357 I cannot believe what I am hearing! This film is going to be the rebirth of the almighty! These trailers, and all the ones previous, have been freaking great! WE are seeing an icon comeback to life, and what is everyone doing? Dumping all over it. This WILL be the best Indy! I cannot believe what I am hearing! This film is going to be the rebirth of the almighty! These trailers, and all the ones previous, have been freaking great! WE are seeing an icon comeback to life, and what is everyone doing? Dumping all over it. This WILL be the best Indy!

]]> By: A.J. http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-324858 A.J. Wed, 07 May 2008 19:05:47 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-324858 I'd have to say I don't pay much attention to the editing while I'm watching a movie unless it's really bad and draws my attention to it. You want to see bad editing just watch "Feast". I'm excited about seeing Dr Jones in a new adventure. This is gonna be great. I’d have to say I don’t pay much attention to the
editing while I’m watching a movie unless it’s really
bad and draws my attention to it. You want to see
bad editing just watch “Feast”. I’m excited about
seeing Dr Jones in a new adventure. This is
gonna be great.

]]> By: james http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-324783 james Wed, 07 May 2008 17:47:27 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-324783 FINALLY, ome sense when it comes to editing action movies! Quick edits are such a cheap and sloppy way of editing. Confusing the viewer of what's happening does not excite them, it just confuses and distracts them from what is really going. Most of the time quick edits are used to cover up bad directing. If you chop up scenes a lot you can re-use FX shots and don't need to worry about choreography.. "Just shake the camera a lot and I'll make quick edits! That'll be our action scene!" Booo! :( FINALLY, ome sense when it comes to editing action movies!

Quick edits are such a cheap and sloppy way of editing. Confusing the viewer of what’s happening does not excite them, it just confuses and distracts them from what is really going.

Most of the time quick edits are used to cover up bad directing. If you chop up scenes a lot you can re-use FX shots and don’t need to worry about choreography..

“Just shake the camera a lot and I’ll make quick edits! That’ll be our action scene!” Booo! :(

]]> By: Robert http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-324696 Robert Wed, 07 May 2008 16:07:17 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-324696 "Does the action in a movie need to be fast cut and always moving to compete in today’s world of action films?" May depend partially on the age of the viewer too and how they are used to receiving and parsing visual information. Younger viewers may nod off during set pieces that feel like molasses to them compared to what they are used to. Personally I can see merits to both approaches. I just worry that there is a danger of these action sequences feeling like home video of the Disney MGM's Indana Jones Stunt Spectacular. Which is fine when viewing it live. “Does the action in a movie need to be fast cut and always moving to compete in today’s world of action films?”

May depend partially on the age of the viewer too and how they are used to receiving and parsing visual information. Younger viewers may nod off during set pieces that feel like molasses to them compared to what they are used to. Personally I can see merits to both approaches. I just worry that there is a danger of these action sequences feeling like home video of the Disney MGM’s Indana Jones Stunt Spectacular. Which is fine when viewing it live.

]]> By: WillTheSecond http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-324475 WillTheSecond Wed, 07 May 2008 11:50:05 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-324475 "I hope Christopher Nolan attended this Spielberg lecture before filming TDK. Face it, the action scenes in Begins could have used a nudge in that direction." The visual style of Begins was good, but the editing in the action sequences (especially the tumbler chase) was dubious at best, way too fast. I mean, they were enjoyable but it really didn't fit the rest of the film. TDK looks awesome, though. Hopefully he'll be a bit more Spielberg-ian approach. Good to here it'll be old school action in Indy IV. “I hope Christopher Nolan attended this Spielberg lecture before filming TDK. Face it, the action scenes in Begins could have used a nudge in that direction.”

The visual style of Begins was good, but the editing in the action sequences (especially the tumbler chase) was dubious at best, way too fast. I mean, they were enjoyable but it really didn’t fit the rest of the film.

TDK looks awesome, though. Hopefully he’ll be a bit more Spielberg-ian approach. Good to here it’ll be old school action in Indy IV.

]]> By: Peter Sciretta http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-324088 Peter Sciretta Wed, 07 May 2008 06:00:08 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-324088 Jamie: Actually, Spielberg doesn't usually do online press, and no, the interview wasn't in a packed hotel room with 20 other people. A few select online press outlets were invited to the set of Indy and the 6 or so of us met with Spielberg in the screening room at Amblien and had a free form discussion free of recording devices. I have been to the junkets that you speak of, but this was the complete opposite of that experience. Jamie: Actually, Spielberg doesn’t usually do online press, and no, the interview wasn’t in a packed hotel room with 20 other people.

A few select online press outlets were invited to the set of Indy and the 6 or so of us met with Spielberg in the screening room at Amblien and had a free form discussion free of recording devices.

I have been to the junkets that you speak of, but this was the complete opposite of that experience.

]]> By: Captain Awesome http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-324054 Captain Awesome Wed, 07 May 2008 05:30:48 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-324054 I'm in the total minority here. But I am so un-excited about this movie it's not even funny. I don't know what it is. It's either that I got my fill of Indy with the Last Crusade (which was the best one out of the trilogy) or seeing this even older Ford jumping around throwing slow-ass punches. Maybe a combination of both. I just don't see anything new done in this that makes me want to go into a movie theatre and pay for it. I’m in the total minority here.

But I am so un-excited about this movie it’s not even funny. I don’t know what it is. It’s either that I got my fill of Indy with the Last Crusade (which was the best one out of the trilogy) or seeing this even older Ford jumping around throwing slow-ass punches.

Maybe a combination of both. I just don’t see anything new done in this that makes me want to go into a movie theatre and pay for it.

]]> By: jinger http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323992 jinger Wed, 07 May 2008 04:30:49 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323992 Why does this seem like a surprise that Spielberg doesn't do fast cuts? He's never like that. He's confident enough to keep the viewers waiting. Thats why he's the best, he knows what hes doing..and has been since his first film. The guy is the fucking man, I refuse to watch these clips as I want to actually be surprised for once. (This is to you /film, for ruining Iron Man for me :P wink) Why does this seem like a surprise that Spielberg doesn’t do fast cuts? He’s never like that. He’s confident enough to keep the viewers waiting. Thats why he’s the best, he knows what hes doing..and has been since his first film.

The guy is the fucking man, I refuse to watch these clips as I want to actually be surprised for once. (This is to you /film, for ruining Iron Man for me :P wink)

]]> By: A.J. http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323974 A.J. Wed, 07 May 2008 04:19:48 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323974 I agree with spielberg, as an amateur film-maker, I've always wondered why people don't pay more attention to action films that take advantage of blowing the audience away with long shots. For instance, Children of Men's long shots, the final one lasting for 6 minuets is mind-blowing, many of the movies Tony Jaa is in, are incredible too, and mainly due to the long shots the directors use. I think taht the better crafted, longer shots will always impress the audience, as well as inspire other film-makers to say "How the hell did he manage that?" I agree with spielberg, as an amateur film-maker, I’ve always wondered why people don’t pay more attention to action films that take advantage of blowing the audience away with long shots. For instance, Children of Men’s long shots, the final one lasting for 6 minuets is mind-blowing, many of the movies Tony Jaa is in, are incredible too, and mainly due to the long shots the directors use. I think taht the better crafted, longer shots will always impress the audience, as well as inspire other film-makers to say “How the hell did he manage that?”

]]> By: Ali http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323948 Ali Wed, 07 May 2008 03:58:31 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323948 Does the action in a movie need to be fast cut and always moving to compete in today’s world of action films? Absolutely not. While some films use it effectively to excite the audience, mostly editors use it as a cheap trick to freak out movie watchers and make them feel like they're "a part of the action." All it makes me feel is motion-sick. I have to say, I'm really looking forward to Crystal Skulls. Of all the trailer/spots, the second one was my favorite. All the others were a little choppy for me, and I think the second one had the perfect balance of dialogue and action. Does the action in a movie need to be fast cut and always moving to compete in today’s world of action films?

Absolutely not. While some films use it effectively to excite the audience, mostly editors use it as a cheap trick to freak out movie watchers and make them feel like they’re “a part of the action.” All it makes me feel is motion-sick.

I have to say, I’m really looking forward to Crystal Skulls. Of all the trailer/spots, the second one was my favorite. All the others were a little choppy for me, and I think the second one had the perfect balance of dialogue and action.

]]> By: Jamie http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323935 Jamie Wed, 07 May 2008 03:45:46 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323935 "When my colleagues and I had the chance to sit down with Spielberg during the filming of Indiana Jones 4..." LOL. Your colleagues... Had the chance to sat down... You take yourself a bit too seriously. Howabout, when a bunch of entertainment writer schlubs including myself were sat down at table or shuffled into a hotel room by PR people, I got to ask the sixth question of Mr. Spielberg, right after the writer from lesbianmovierama.com asked Mr. Spielberg if E.T. was gay. Then some really fat guy who was sweating and looked really nervous blurted out that he loved 1941. As someone who has been to these interviews, I think that would be a more apt description of how these things go. “When my colleagues and I had the chance to sit down with Spielberg during the filming of Indiana Jones 4…”

LOL. Your colleagues… Had the chance to sat down… You take yourself a bit too seriously.

Howabout, when a bunch of entertainment writer schlubs including myself were sat down at table or shuffled into a hotel room by PR people, I got to ask the sixth question of Mr. Spielberg, right after the writer from lesbianmovierama.com asked Mr. Spielberg if E.T. was gay. Then some really fat guy who was sweating and looked really nervous blurted out that he loved 1941.

As someone who has been to these interviews, I think that would be a more apt description of how these things go.

]]> By: Cinemaniac1979 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323749 Cinemaniac1979 Wed, 07 May 2008 01:04:21 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323749 This post is my new drinking game. Every time someone mentions the Borne Movies, I'm gonna take a drink. Unless they're mentioning how okay they are with the frenetic fast-cut style. Then I'm gonna do a shot. This post is my new drinking game. Every time someone mentions the Borne Movies, I’m gonna take a drink. Unless they’re mentioning how okay they are with the frenetic fast-cut style.

Then I’m gonna do a shot.

]]> By: Pixel Pusher http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323710 Pixel Pusher Wed, 07 May 2008 00:31:15 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323710 The trailer before Iron Man was a WAAAAAYYYY better cut than the first trailer. I was on the brink of disappointment after the first trailer -- it had some strange timing issues and the score didn't suck me in. The latest trailer solves that for me completely -- I can't wait. The trailer before Iron Man was a WAAAAAYYYY better cut than the first trailer. I was on the brink of disappointment after the first trailer — it had some strange timing issues and the score didn’t suck me in. The latest trailer solves that for me completely — I can’t wait.

]]> By: Jerry to the Biggy Butler http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323708 Jerry to the Biggy Butler Wed, 07 May 2008 00:30:02 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323708 Peter, I could have sworn you posted those quotes before. Woah, dejavu! Peter, I could have sworn you posted those quotes before. Woah, dejavu!

]]> By: Crap Billsworth http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323657 Crap Billsworth Tue, 06 May 2008 23:54:16 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323657 Yes, Spielberg does have an excellent point. But do you really think that he is the FIRST person to make that point? It's like if Joe Schmo says "2 + 2 = 4" and no one gives a shit, but 8 years later Oprah says it and the reaction is: "Oh, we better put this on our website. This is really insightful". Rapid Cuts and Nauseating Editing have been one of the most dominant styles since the invention of the Avid. Sorry, but I meet Spielberg's insight with the attitude: "duh", and I don't think I'm alone in that. Yes, Spielberg does have an excellent point. But do you really think that he is the FIRST person to make that point? It’s like if Joe Schmo says “2 + 2 = 4″ and no one gives a shit, but 8 years later Oprah says it and the reaction is: “Oh, we better put this on our website. This is really insightful”.

Rapid Cuts and Nauseating Editing have been one of the most dominant styles since the invention of the Avid.

Sorry, but I meet Spielberg’s insight with the attitude: “duh”, and I don’t think I’m alone in that.

]]> By: charles http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323646 charles Tue, 06 May 2008 23:49:54 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323646 No a movie doesn't always need to be fast cut. I agree with Steve, with fast cutting you lose the attention to detail. But action movies, to be go do always have to be movie. Its an action film, the more action the better. No a movie doesn’t always need to be fast cut. I agree with Steve, with fast cutting you lose the attention to detail. But action movies, to be go do always have to be movie. Its an action film, the more action the better.

]]> By: a guy who hates the idea of Indy fighting aliens http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323642 a guy who hates the idea of Indy fighting aliens Tue, 06 May 2008 23:48:45 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323642 fast cuts, long shots, no matter. The only editing that will work is to cut out Shia and the aliens. Of course long shots are better, otherwise you end up with the Bourne trilogy which could have been done by an eight year old. fast cuts, long shots, no matter. The only editing that will work is to cut out Shia and the aliens. Of course long shots are better, otherwise you end up with the Bourne trilogy which could have been done by an eight year old.

]]> By: gocitizen http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323614 gocitizen Tue, 06 May 2008 23:29:01 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/06/indiana-jones-4-shot-and-edited-like-an-old-school-action-movie-four-new-television-spots/#comment-323614 I hope Christopher Nolan attended this Spielberg lecture before filming TDK. Face it, the action scenes in Begins could have used a nudge in that direction. Today's world needs Indiana Jones. I hope Christopher Nolan attended this Spielberg lecture before filming TDK. Face it, the action scenes in Begins could have used a nudge in that direction.

Today’s world needs Indiana Jones.

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