If we’re going to err it probably makes sense to do so on the side of caution. I don’t think anyone wants poison air, poison water, or other unlivable conditions to abound. Neither do most of us yearn for an economic collapse that could be the result of too many regulations implemented in too short a period of time. Ultimately the consumer/taxpayer foots the bill for anything and everything.

As the cost of energy goes up, so do the prices of nearly everything that has an energy component. For example, when diesel prices climb, the trucking industry passes on the extra cost through a fuel surcharge to customers, who in turn raise the cost of whatever they make until it gets down to you and me.

Current fuel prices should be making the die-hard “global warming is mainly caused by man-made emissions” crowd ecstatic. Those higher prices should result in less fuel consumed and a renewed effort at efficiency. I’m not really seeing that excitement from those around me who fit into that crowd though. I see mostly complaints about the fuel prices and somehow G. W. Bush and company are always to blame even though no one can explain how in detail.

If you truly believe that man-made emissions are a root cause of global climate change and that left unchecked it will result in calamity for all of mankind I have a simple question for you:

Why are you on the internet consuming fuel? Shouldn’t you be conserving energy and therefore burning less fuel creating the problem for all of us? If it’s that serious you should be doing everything in under your personal control to decrease the amount of emissions that are harming the planet. Do you still use your heating and air conditioning? Do you still drive your car for unecessary activities? Do you still leave lights on in rooms when no one is even in there? Do you take any personal responsibility for any of this? Guess what? *we* buy all the crap that the big corporations make when they produce the pollution, *we* think need to heat or cool our homes, *we* have to surf the web and watch TV and use microwaves and hair dryers, etc., etc., ad nausem.

The Amish are about the only group of people in this country who can truly say they are contributing very little to the problem. The rest of us add to it every time we post on one of these forums.

Are you waiting for your government in shining armor to come in and force businesses to change how they operate? Are you going to refrain from complaining as the price of nearly everything continues to rise significantly to pay for those new standards and regulations when/if the government does step in?

If you truly believe man is destroying the planet then you should stop doing the things that add to the problem instead of complaining about what someone else is doing.

The climate change issue tries to bring people together, as a whole to work together to make things better. It is no bad thing to use renewable energy, to try and bring down our carbon emissions, to try and live in a better way by recycling and reusing. Whats wrong with our kids being told all this in school.

Yes the planet does go through hot and cold periods, but what if this new warm period is the warmest yet? It may be typical, but it could cause unrepairable damage that we will have to live with, the sun rays are a lot more powerful now that the ozone has thinned so much, this is fact.

Im not willing to take the chance that there is no global warming, so I am doing as much as I can to do my bit……………………

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I don’t think anybody is credible to talk about the effects of CO2 unless that person has had extensive learning on subjects such as physical gas dynamics, statistical mechanics, quantum mechanics, molecular absorption, and chemical thermodynamics. Take a look at recent chemist, aerospace, and mechanical engineering journals. When you go by validated scientific and engineering theory, CO2 is not the culprit. Hardly anyone on tv talking about global warming know anything about how co2 molecules absorb radiation, what wavelengths of radiation that co2 absorbs and what kind get through, etc. The bigger problem is water vapor. CO2 is such a small part of the atmosphere, whereas water vapor makes up a big portion.

The graphs of CO2 rise and Temperature rise that al gore shows look like it supports co2 as the culprit… until you zoom in on the scale and realize that the Temp. rise predates the CO2 rise. The reason is easy to see: Think of the Oceans (which cover the majority of the earth) as a fizzing soda can. The fizz is CO2. When the temperature of the oceans rise, they fizz off more CO2. This has been proven. The oceans are so big, this accounts for a huge amount of co2 release in the air. What happens to this co2? Algae, trees, and vegetation eat it all up.

Just some stuff to think about. Don’t just regurgitate what talking heads on TV tell you.

I find it incredible that so many of the posters here are skeptical of human-made climate change. The most serious scientists have looked at the data and strongly concluded that man-made greenhouse gases (and yes, that includes the methane expelled by the billions of factory-farm-raised [and -tortured] animals each year, which is more potent than carbon and has led the U.N. to declare animal husbandry to be the single biggest contributor to climate change) are causing the planet to warm, and yet some people think their uninformed gut is more accurate.

My guess is that your gut doesn’t want to have to change its damaging habits (even though it wouldn’t really be that hard).

And by the way, iProtestant, the most self-interested power elite actually doesn’t want you to believe in global warming because they are profiting immensely from your ignorance. You are playing right into the hands of Exxon-Mobil (regular $10 billion+ quarterly profits these days) and the American Enterprise Institute (who prepared an internal memo making the spread of uncertainty, and not actual refutation, their strategy to suppress societal acceptance of global warming).

These entities and their political allies have worked very hard to label intellectuals “the elite” so that ignorance and uncertainty prevails.

To the poster who questioned why global warming is a peace issue, I urge you to become more familiar with the full consequences of the planet warming as predicted. For one, just imagine the conflicts that will happen if fresh water, the life-giver, becomes more scarce. Obviously environmental conditions play an essential role in allowing for peace and stability, and even the Bush-Cheney Pentagon has put out reports admitting that climate change poses a bigger potential threat than that of terrorism, partly because it will cause deep social unrest that conceivably leads to more terrorism.

This problem is time-sensitive. My advice to all the skeptics out there is to get over your personal insecurities, look at the data *honestly*, and join the reality-based community.

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http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=5ceaedb7-802a-23ad-4bfe-9e32747616f9

All the same, I think I’d rather be a little more conscious of the consequences of my actions.

No joke; check it out:

Gore Used Fictional Video to Illustrate ‘Inconvenient Truth’
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/04/22/abc-s-20-20-gore-used-fictional-film-clip-inconvenient-truth

Vic

Although LA is still lousy in the air quality dept, they have improved it quite a bit from where it used to be. I just don’t want to see the govt freaking out and imposing global taxes and over-reacting to the point it seriously harms the economy. Look at what’s happening already with that STUPID ethanol idea: Farmers are replacing other crops like wheat with corn because it pays a lot more and they have incentives due to the initiatives surrounding ethanol. So not only are food prices escalating due to less of it being grown, there’s the double whammy that corn is used in so many foods and it’s now going to fuel so those foods rise in cost as well.

And regarding electric cars: Where do people think the electricity to power those cars comes from? Helllloooooo: coal plants.

Vic

if people came together and said “we’re not gonna take your shit anymore” to the power elite…well, that would be an interesting day.