“Takes all kinds, guys.”
The premiere for Horton Hears a Who! was held today at Mann Village Theater in Los Angeles. In attendance were stars (and Horton voices) Jim Carrey, Steve Carell, non-star Victoria Beckham, lots and lots of children and…a totally uninvited group of pro-lifers, who were apparently uber-inspired by the film’s upbeat mantra of “After all, a person is a person no matter how small.”
The protesters reportedly “chanted” pro-life messages after the flick was over, then applied red tape labeled with the word “LIFE” to their mouths and kept on protesting. What would Dr. Seuss think (WWDRST?). Sidenote: This item was brought to my attention by Peter and since I’ve already been called a “commie” today on Slash (a first!), we thought it was worth posting.
Discuss: Have you ever attended a screening interrupted by protesters? If not, what’s the craziest distraction you’ve encountered during a movie screening?
via TMZ
March 8th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Thats the worst kind of way to twist something to justify your own end.
I guess they don’t care about the enjoyment of children who are actually alive.
March 8th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
I’m just sick to death of religious lunatics. Don’t any of these dogmatic maniacs realize this is the 21st century? Can’t people just go see a cartoon without being bothered by crackpots?
March 8th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
“I guess they don’t care about the enjoyment of children who are actually alive.”
BwahahahahA!!! JFK
March 8th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Yes, this is the 21st century, don’t they realize that? I mean geez, don’t they know the world revolves around YOU, I mean seriously, have YOU taken time out for YOURSELF today? Now everyone sing.. I I I I!!! ME ME ME ME!!!! THE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND ME!!!!
March 8th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
These maniac pro-lifers are the same braindead fucktards who support the death penalty. Its all fucking bullshit, and its all fucking bad for you.
March 8th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Listen… If my idea of a good time is to go out and get some chick knocked up, then convince her to abort the thing at the eleventh hour, then that’s my right, OK? Abortion *is* most definitely the best preventative measure for pregnancy! All you protesters can SOD OFF!
March 8th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
did you guys report this story wrong? because the way it’s written, it basically says, “pro-lifers protest against a pro-life movie” (btw Suess is turning over in his grave)
@ darren baker
please go get nuetered right now. do not wait, go get fixed right this minute!
March 8th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Speaking of neutered… My comments are being clipped and edited after I post them… I didnt even really say anything…
and no I guess I don’t expect this comment to see the light of day ether now.
But just so you know that I know. Gestapo.
March 8th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
You people are a sad bunch, abortion is the best way to prevent you from entering the kingdom, I think it is funny that you can protest the death of 4,000 US soldiers but stand by and silent to the death of 50,000,000 that is millions babies. It is a sad state when as Americans we allow 4000 babies to die each day and try to justify it by saying something as stupid as it isn’t a baby yet. When will you people get a clue if a drunk kills a woman. that earlier that day took a pregnancy test and found out that she was 6 weeks along he is charged with double murder but that same woman can go to an abortion mill three weeks later and kill her baby with no consequence. Where is the moral outcry?
March 8th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Orange,
They did report it wrong no one protested it was a prayer meeting and an explanation that the book was a prophetic story to the ending of abortion. Here is the story behind the siege and the red tape over your mouth is so there is no protest only prayer.
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This is a story about a children’s book that is bringing justice to the unborn children in the womb of this nation. It declares “A person’s a person no matter how small. And the world was changed by the smallest voice of all.” There is urgency in the heart of this generation to be a voice for those who have no voice.
Will you be one who lifts your voice?
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
– Martin LUTHER KING JR.
Part I: The Dream
There is a movement of God that is returning this generation back to the language of first love. This movement consists of young and old alike who are recognizing their supreme vocation as intercessors in the house of the Lord. They are returning to the mandate of “My house shall be called a house of prayer”*. They are fulfilling the only question Jesus had about the end time generation “When the son of man comes will he find faith on the earth?” (Luke 18:1-8). The real question of the scripture is this: when He returns will He find a people that cries out day and night for justice?
In Joel 2:28 it says: “I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.” There is a house of prayer in Washington D.C. that has taken up this mandate. They have been lead on an extraordinary journey of prophetic dreams and encounters with the Lord regarding the future of this nation.
It began in a morning meeting in 2005. Every morning the staff and interns of the house of prayer gather to share dreams from the night before. Prayer for discernment of whether God is speaking through the dreams then follows. One day, a 15-year old girl began to share a dream she had had the previous night. As she spoke, God began to reveal a revelation that is intimate and tender to His heart. It is the beginning of an incredibly profound and inspiring story, a story in which God made Himself vulnerable to His friends.
The dream starts out with the girl looking at a house and seeing the words “The Who” hanging over it. She then walks into the house with her brother and
sister and they make their way up the stairs to the attic. In the attic they find a series of old books that are needed to change the future. It is there the dream ends.
The house of prayer is at a loss of what to do with such a dream. They began to ponder the main components of it. These are: The Who, a house, an attic, stairs, etc. Attics usually speak of the storehouse of heaven that needs to be brought to earth, but that is all they could come up with. The house didn’t know what it meant, but had a sense that God was on the dream. So they filed it gently, remembering that if there is faithfulness in little God will give you more.
Part II: Horton Hears a Who
While still considering the dream the following day, the staff was stunned to find an e-mail come across the desk that related directly to the dream. The e-mail was written to the pastor of a church who had recently had the house of prayer speak. The pastor then forwarded it on to the staff. The e-mail goes as follows: “I was very stirred by the prophetic life message I heard this weekend….I had not heard anything about this group before…I think their work is right on target. I appreciate the platform that the Church has given to what I consider the biggest issue of our generation: abortion. In the past three months I have heard more on this issue than ever before. I write this letter because I believe the Lord has given me a piece of the puzzle concerning the ending of abortion. I submit it to you and the body.” It continued: “A couple of years ago I preached a message. What had to happen for the abortion law to be reversed? The message was nothing unusual, because what must happen is so obvious. Believers must be the voice for the unborn, and the voice must sound out loudly and urgently. What I thought was unusual was the analogy the Lord gave me to make the point. It comes from the story most of us have been familiar with since childhood: Horton Hears a Who! “In this case I am almost certain that Dr. Seuss didn’t have abortion in mind. Naturally, not all the story is transferable, but much of it is…” The staff is absolutely stunned. They began to think of the words “The Who” in the dream, and the words of the title “A Who”. What are the chances of this e-mail coming the day after the dream!
To provide some background, the basic premise of the story is this: An elephant named Horton lives in a jungle. He finds a clover on which live a bunch of little beings called “Who’s”. They live in a village called “Whoville”, but no one can see or hear them. Horton can hear them though, and he wants to protect them. However, a kangaroo wants to kill them because he doesn’t believe they exist. Horton resists and ends up saving them. In their defense he speaks the line that is the theme of the book: “A person is a person no matter how small”.
The Lord gave the prophetic interpretation of the story. Horton the elephant does NOT represent a Republican, but rather the prophetic church that can hear what others can’t hear. The Kangaroo represents a Kangaroo court. A Kangaroo court is a renegade court who legislates from the bench rather than rightly dividing justice and truth. It is where fraudulent and unjust trials occur, in which the decision is made in advance, before evidence is even submitted.
Why would God give this dream to a house of prayer praying over the courts for the ending of abortion? Because the whole theme of the story is “a person is a person no matter how small”.
The following is text from the book that is relevant to understanding the story. Explanatory notes are included in red.
“To the Mayor: “Don’t give up! I believe in you all
A person’s a person, no matter how small!
And you very small persons will not have to die
If you make yourselves heard! So come on, now, and TRY!”
And Horton called back, “I can hear you just fine.
But the kangaroos’ ears aren’t as strong, quite, as mine.
They don’t hear a thing! Are you sure all you boys
Are doing their best? Are they ALL making noise?
Are you sure every Who down in Who-ville is working?
Quick! Look through your town! Is there anyone shirking?”
You will be held accountable for what you are reading right now. Are you making all the noise you can?
Through the town rushed the Mayor, From the east to the west.
But everyone seemed to be doing his best.
Everyone seemed to be yapping or yipping!
Everyone seemed to be beeping or bipping!
But it wasn’t enough, all this ruckus and roar!
He HAD to find someone to help him make more.
He raced through each building! He searched floor-to-floor!
And, just as he felt he was getting nowhere,
And almost about to give up in despair,
He suddenly burst through a door and that Mayor
Discovered one shirker! Quite hidden away
In the Fairfax Apartments (Apartment 12-J)
Fairfax is next to Washington D.C. Twelve is the number for government, and “J” stands for justice. Why do you think Dr. Seuss used that number and letter? What was in his mind when wrote the story in 1954? Why didn’t he call it “Apartment 10 B” or something of the like?
It was because God’s hand was on Dr. Seuss in 1954. The spirit of prophecy rested on him, so that one day God could reach into the attic of history and pull out a little, old children’s book and use it to change the world. He could place it on the table and say “I am going to use this book to end abortion. I am going to give a dream to a 15-year old girl who is praying for the kangaroo [court].” This adds an entirely new dimension to it. Could Fairfax 12-J be the small houses of prayer that are being raised up all over the nation to cry out for justice over all those in authority?
A very small, very small shirker named Jo-Jo was standing, just standing, and bouncing a Yo-Yo! Not making a sound! Not a yipp! Not a chirp! And the Mayor rushed inside and he grabbed the young twerp!
This verse speaks of a Josiah calling on a generation to tear down the altars of Baal. Yet the religious kids “Jo-Jo’s”, are busy with their milkshake and chocolate donut youth groups when they should be tearing down the altars of injustice. It’s time to go to war and change history now.
And he climbed with the lad up the Eiffelberg Tower. “This,” cried the Mayor, “is your town’s darkest hour! The time for all Whos who have blood that is red To come to the aid of their country!” he said
Shifting from their village, Whoville, to their entire country, the character of the mayor Dr. Seuss created is prophesying over America in this day and hour. Dr. Seuss didn’t even know what he was writing! The “blood that is red” is the blood of Jesus. It is this blood that alone can cover the stains of the blood of those innocents dead from the injustice of abortion. It is this same blood that covers the sins of those who have undergone an abortion, and the sins of all humanity. Hallelujah! It is time for people who are covered by the red blood of Jesus to come to the aid of their country. That is what young adults are doing in front of abortion clinics, courthouses, and universities today. They are pleading the blood of Jesus over the bloody altars of Baal.
We’ve GOT to make noises in greater amounts! So, open your mouth, lad! For every voice counts!
Say it: “EVERY VOICE COUNTS!” That means yours! Every voice must begin to shout the ending of abortion in prayer, in churches, in the news, in music, in books, poems, etc. Homes for pregnant mothers should be formed, crisis pregnancy centers built, and the adoption of the babies sentenced to die. Prepare yourself, for when Roe v. Wade is overturned, the Church must be standing ready to take the children.
Thus he spoke as he climbed. When they got to the top, The lad cleared his throat and he shouted out, “YOPP!”
This is where the acronym YOPP = Young Ones Praying and Prophesying, is derived from.
And that Yopp… That one small, extra Yopp put it over! Finally, at last! From that speck on that clover Their voices were heard! They rang out clear and clean.
This is a new understanding of the tipping of the bowls through intercession.
And the elephant smiled. “Do you see what I mean? They’ve proved they ARE persons, no matter how small. And their whole world was saved by the smallest of all!”
I believe that God is going to raise up a children’s movement that will pray for the ending of abortion. Dr. Seuss’ book is going to be a bomb in the hands of the Church. Purchase a copy or borrow one from the library so that you can read it for yourself. Read it to your children also, and be a catalyst for a prayer movement that inspires children everywhere to be yelling their “Yopp”.
The house of prayer in Washington D.C. was so stirred with the significance of this dream and the subsequent e-mail, that they blasted it through a prophetic portal that reaches around the world. Right after this happened, they received another amazing e-mail, this time from a woman who worked at a daycare center.
She wrote the following: “I read your e-mail and was so blown away by it. But what really blew me away was what happened when I went to work at my daycare center the following day. Three children came in with confirmations to your word.
The first one came in with a “Horton Hears a Who” backpack on. The second came up with a Whoville doll. Then a third child came up and blew me away more than either of the first two had. The little girl said to me “I had a dream last night. I dreamed of “Horton Hears a Who”, but all the little Who’s weren’t saying “Yopp” they were saying “Stop!”.”
God is shouting “Stop” for the future of America. We must grab a hold of this revelation.
March 8th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
@ OC
There weren’t protesting the movie. They crashed the premiere because they felt the movie’s “message” aligned with their ideals. It was not reported incorrectly.
March 8th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
I wish I could have done the world a favor and kicked your mother in the stomach Rob…but since I’m too late.
Please fuck off.
March 8th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
@redandjonny
Many people would say the same thing about you, does that mean their right?
@Rob
The point is that this pro-life movie was crashed by Anti-Abortionists. Why did they do that? Couldn’t they have just cheered, payed their money, and supported this movie? Why did they have to protest the very thing being protested by the movie, making idiots out of themselves?
Ponder these things.
March 8th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Please feel free to give me a time and place and I will accommodate you with the beating of your life.
March 8th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Dudes,
Please comment intelligently and form a Harvey Dent human pyramid already. Slashfilm keeps it mellow.
March 8th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Hey, Rob, this is Jesus. I need you up here in heaven now. The Rapture is gonna start up soon and I need my best wackos, I mean, loyal christian soldiers here in heaven. So I want you to walk out in front of a truck or jump off a bridge. Try to bring as many of your fellow parishioners with you. The time has come,
Signed,
The grown-up baby Jesus,
March 8th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Take your bible and go home you hypocrite. Nobody’s interested in your fairy tales.
March 8th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
“Please feel free to give me a time and place and I will accommodate you with the beating of your life.”
LOL ..Ok tough guy,
Are you saying you want to abort me in my 144th Tri mester?
Have you ran this by Jesus? Go prey and come back and tell me what he said. I’ll wait.
March 8th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
I once performed an abortion. It was actually pretty fun.
March 8th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
So I can’t rip on hunter but Rob can spout all this unrelated crap about imag. kingdoms?
I wish some more good movies would start coming out this year already.
March 8th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
I thought this was a interesting news story. It’s just too bad this had to turn into a pro life debate. I don’t think this issue will be solved on /film.
March 8th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Actually, the Bible encourages murdering your children, so, anyone who is against abortion is truly a tool of the devil.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=deuteronomy%2021:18-21;&version=31;
Not to mention murdering… Sorry, cleansing… rape victims, along with their rapists:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=deuteronomy%2022:23-24;&version=31;
Shit, why not just do it before they’re born, and be free of the troubles of proper parenting?
March 9th, 2008 at 12:25 am
This news item is simply poorly written…it doesn’t make sense at all. Anti-abortion activists PROTESTING a possibly ANTI-Abortion message? No, the correct phrasing would be Anti-abortion Activists SUPPORTING or “rallying around” the film. Also, it’s not “interrupting” the screening if they waited until AFTER IT WAS OVER.
March 9th, 2008 at 1:03 am
@ josh
For the last time, they were not protesting the movie! Hah. Man. This was a group of pro-lifers that decided to make a boisterous statement for their cause at a movie premiere. They were PROTESTING AGAINST ABORTION, therefore they are protesters. That is not a bad word btw.
Even if they were “rallying,” the fact that there were kids in the audience makes the setting inappropriate. And I’m not one of these “the kids!” people, but a Dr. Seuss film is not the best place to shoutcast or “tape-cast” a political message, especially one on abortion.
Feel free to write your own news item on the events here, we’d love to read it.
March 9th, 2008 at 1:13 am
Just for the sake of information. The first 300 people there were allowed to view the premier. Anybody could have been their if they wanted to. The movie was watched quietly and enjoyed by all. One man in response to the movie stood up and made a statement about a person is a person no matter how small, and that abortion was going to end by the least of us all, ie “JoJo”, and that God was going to use this movie to end abortion. A simple statement. Then the group of about 15 silently without protest put on red tape over the mouth, with the word LIFE written on it. These simple acts brought such a stir that people began to cuss at the silent people in front of all the children.
This movie is absolutely inspired by God and is being used to be a voice for the voiceless around the country. The preview was actually scheduled to be on the 3rd but was randomly was moved to the 8th which is actually been the internationally respected day for women for the last hundred years. Only God could put that randomly together to be a sign that the movie indeed is about women protecting babies.
So whatever you heard thats what happened and then the cops forced the life tapers to leave, for what I don’t know. I think they should have forced the people using profanity in front of other peoples children to leave. Maybe I’m being to sensible.
March 9th, 2008 at 1:19 am
@ Honesty
Want to buy a monkey?
FYI: Slashfilm is officially sealing this comments section off with tin foil.
March 9th, 2008 at 6:32 am
I think it’s sad that they crashed the movie. There are other ways to get your point across, ways that don’t infringe on another’s work.
And it’s laughable that so many people here are arguing about abortion now. You’re not going to convince anyone on here that you’re right, so why bother?
March 9th, 2008 at 6:59 am
I won’t even start to debate this whole pro-life thingy, because this topic is so charged that it is virtually impossible to participate in a civilized discussion. In fact we can’t even call something a discussion if people just start to through in random bible passages?!? Anway, the cinema is surely NOT the right place for any kind of propaganda! It’s simply rude and inconsiderate and behavior like that won’t help them with their cause. This is exactly the kind of bullshit that will make every “normal” people among them appear in a bad light because of a bunch of lunatics.
@Honesty: This is either the most funny or the most sad comment I have read in months. If your post wasn’t meant ironic or something like that you should really go to see your local shrink.
March 9th, 2008 at 7:12 am
I’ve always been intrigued, and by intrigued I mean confused, with the way that certain folks on the religious right have picked their battles. While many ultra-conservative christian types won’t let their kids near a Dr. Seuess book because all the talking animals and such “mock the creative power of God,” but they’ll still latch onto this to promote their agenda.
March 9th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Peter-nice little ethics grenade to drop on your site. AnyWHO, I think what leftists want to lump all right-to-lifers as being right-wing Christian nut jobbers. Not all of us are….right wing Christian nut jobbers. Here’s the deal. As I have become older, and now that I’m the father of two kids of my own, and having sat through ultrasound sessions that started at six weeks in the womb, you can’t tell me that’s not life. God or not, sin or not, that’s life. Pure and simple. That life has nobody to be its advocate. In 99% of the time, the mother has options available. With 14 or so different types of birth control on the market, FUCKING USE IT! Abortion is not birth control. It does not inhibit the ability of conception from occurring and only causes a chemically induced death of a growing child that doesn’t have a say in the matter. Equating that with executing a murderer isn’t the same. That murderer made the choice to be a menace to society and take a life. While I’m not totally sold on the death penalty, I would find it much easier to supply the lethal injection that kills a child molester than condemn a n unborn child. As to the protesters, they’ll use the release of the movie to push their agenda-this time encouraging people to see it and get their message, just the opposite of Dogma and Golden Compass. By the way, I wrote this while eating Veal and staring at a gun cabinet, and remembering that I have to fill up my Hummer H1 in the morning and commute to work-while I stare down at all the lowly tree huggers in their not-so-eco-friendly hybrids that want to tell me how to live my life…and preach about pro choice. get bent, hippy.
March 9th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
oh, and yeah, i’ll take a monkey.
March 10th, 2008 at 6:59 am
The purpose of this discussion is not to decide whether abortion makes baby Jesus cry or not. It’s about the rudeness of this so-called “protesters”. I hope we all agree that a movie theatre is certainly NOT the right place for such a debate, especially not at a children’s movie!
I would like to conclude this absurd discussion with the best solution for everybody according to “The Simpsons” (in the end it’s quite simple):
“Abortions for all.”
[crowd boos]
“Very well, no abortions for anyone.”
[crowd boos]
“Hmm… Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.”
[crowd cheers and waves miniature flags]
– American politics in its simplicity as seen on “The Simpsons”
March 10th, 2008 at 7:15 am
@ Rob
How is it your business what someone else does with their body?
And, if you want to preach, go do it on your own blog where people that are actually interested in your argument can read it.
March 10th, 2008 at 8:00 am
@ Hunter
In this context, they were NOT protesters. As soon as the word “protest” is used, it is assumed that there is something that people are speaking against. So when I read the article, I was trying to find what was in Horton Hears a Who that was pro-abortion, and ended up confused. Also the word “protest” obviously has more negative connotations than the word “support” - you know that. I’m just saying the article would make more sense if they title was just “Anti-abortion activists rally in support of Horton Hears a Who” or something along those lines..
March 10th, 2008 at 9:36 am
i was at the premier myself and the “protestors” that everyone is referring to appeared to not be protesting AGAINST dr. seuss at all. in fact quit the opposite! the chanting of “a person is a person no matter how small” means they agree with dr. suess. that in fact a person is a person no matter how small. weather in the womb or 80 yrs. old. a person is a person no matter how small. its simple. they wore LIFE tape! promotting that this movie is about LIFE! and what are we willing to do, LIKE HORTON and stand up for LIFE!
March 10th, 2008 at 9:53 am
AIR HORN!
March 10th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Psst, its a Dr. Seuss movie.
Just sayin.
The next prolific film that will change the world will be fox in socks, just you watch.
When beetles fight these battles in a bottle with their paddles
and the bottle’s on a poodle and the poodle’s eating noodles…
…they call this a muddle puddle tweetle poodle beetle noodle
bottle paddle battle.
True Story.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Anti-abortion advocates, esp. the youth groups that exist, have cited Horton as a speaker for their cause, even printing him on their protest signs. I’ve seen them on the subway.
I guess it’s only natural that they would be excited that the message is being made into a movie albeit, a bit strange that they would choose this flick to promulgate their message.
I think its fine for people who support/boycott a film to demonstrate outside the theater, hand out literature, etc. but I think that all movie goers agree that even if you like a movie, its not cool to disrupt the film when you are inside.
As for the current forum, c’mon people, stop the hate and stay on topic.
March 10th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
319. We believe this movie to be prophetic. To speak to peoples hearts and to give voice to the voiceless. Just as Horton was the only one who could hear the whos, only those “that have ears to hear” hear the cries of the unborn asking for Life. Just as the kangaroo said if we can’t see them if we can’t hear them and if we can’t feel them they don’t exist, so it goes with people who stand for “choice” when they determined in 1973 that a fetus is not a person. I do understand the high emotions involved with this issue but a huge lie and subsequent mass murder has been in effect since that time. Horton risked his life and social status to bring the truth to light and that is what we are praying to do. We are a family who has been blessed by adopting a beautiful interracial child, to think of her her not making it into this world makes us shudder and to think of the millions of those who never made it out of their mother’s wombs is horrifing.We pray for revelation of truth and the blinders of deception to be removed from our country and for God’s mercy on our nation. Although I disagree with the statements made that there were mostly children there, our children need to know the truth. They are being fed lies through our school system they are being forcefed sexual immorality of all kinds daily. But it is so sad to me that if people gather to say to let the children live and a life is a life no matter how small, people go insane with anger! When sin is exposed it is uncomfortable for those unwilling to change. So yes we will stand and cry out we will pound the heavens with our prayers and yes get the truth out in the theaters and anywhere else we are led. We are peaceful and we go with the love of God in our hearts. For anyone who has had an abortion, there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus just ask Him into your heart and ask for His forgiveness He died for us when we were still in our sin. He loves you with an everlasting Love.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
I am sorry for keeping this debate alive. To all the pro-lifers please direct your comments to the 14 year old girl who has been raped by her mentally disturbed father and now has the product of this unforgivable act in her womb. Please tell her not to get an abortion because it is a sin and a damnable act. Tell her to suck it up and keep the child because, hey…..a life is a life no matter how small.
The point is this is such a gray area, and while both sides have good points, only one side provides for choice. Please consider this and stop using your religion to cast a right or wrong conclusion on these very obscure issues.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
To be totally honest, Hunter, I’m not a huge fan of your posts, but I’d never go so far as to call you a commie. Maybe you are a commie, but I think you mainly just try too hard with your pop-culture references and totally unrelated statements. I like your stuff a lot better than that nitwit Zach Lawrence’s.
And uh… Agh, god. Are people actually getting into an abortion debate on a fucking movie blog?
March 10th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
@Max: This is like asking: Are people actually getting into an abortion debate in a fucking movie theatre while attending a children’s movie? Sadly the answer to both is yes. But most of those right-wing guys like Rob are not really debating. They just keep posting ridiculous long monologues that make them appear like lunactics. I wanted at least to clarify to those people, that such actions are incredibly rude, no matter if call this bullshit “protesting” or “rallying”. There is the right place and the right time for everything, but a movie theatre is neither.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
I just read every comment. This is so fun!
Honest, you made me LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Most ironic posting on SlashFIlm EVAR!
March 10th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
I think these pro lifers also had rally outside of Look Who’s Talking….another one of those anti abortion movies. Maybe it was a protest…i don’t know.
March 12th, 2008 at 6:34 am
grayarea:
“I am sorry for keeping this debate alive. To all the pro-lifers please direct your comments to the 14 year old girl who has been raped by her mentally disturbed father and now has the product of this unforgivable act in her womb. Please tell her not to get an abortion because it is a sin and a damnable act. Tell her to suck it up and keep the child because, hey…..a life is a life no matter how small.”
To anyone who is put in this position - my heart would absolutely break for them….
Would this change the fundamental question of Abortion Ethics? IF an unborn child is a person, then there is really no situation where it would be Ethical to kill that child regardless of what horrendous act was perpetrated on the mother.
My only point being that the Ethical issue still rests on the question of whether or not an unborn child is a person or not - not what circumstances led up to the pregnancy.
I’m not trying to minimize the trauma and stress that would come with certain scenario’s, but to some extent **** happens to everyone - the real question is “how do we respond”?
March 12th, 2008 at 11:01 am
@ Casual Observer
It’s quite easy to say that you would never want to abort a child in that situation if you can never actually imagine yourself in that situation.
That’s assuming you’re a man. Because I’m assuming you are based on what you just said.
March 13th, 2008 at 6:25 am
@ Casual Observer
“It’s quite easy to say that you would never want to abort a child in that situation if you can never actually imagine yourself in that situation.
That’s assuming you’re a man. Because I’m assuming you are based on what you just said.”
Actually - I totally agree with you. And yes I am a man (Interesting that it is so obvious). I think there is a good chance that I might want to end the pregnancy too. However, most of us agree that merely wanting to do something doesn’t make it right. I would liken the situation to wanting to kill someone who has significantly wronged you (like a child molester or murderer). I would probably want to kill that person if I or my family were a victim of his/her, but that wouldn’t make it right….
March 13th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
The first slavery in america was abolished through the 1st american civil ware, the slavery of abortion will be abolished by the 2nd american civil war
March 13th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
The first slavery in america was abolished through the 1st american civil war, the slavery of abortion will be abolished by the 2nd american civil war
March 14th, 2008 at 5:39 am
So Peter,
Are you advocating the violent overthrow of the government in direct opposition to the Founding Fathers’ desire to keep seperate Church and State (Do not even think about dragging out the commonly quoted misconseption that the United States was founded as a Christian nation, because the facts don’t support that arguement.) in favor of establishing a totalitarian theocracy? Why is it your religous beliefs should dictate the laws of this land and not anothers? What if the Amish suddenly rose up? Would you gladly acquiesce to their new laws banning electricity and buttons?
You do realize that demanding laws based strictly on religous belief - Because at the heart of the anti-abortionist arguement has always been that a fetus is life from the moment of conception because at that moment God has imbued it with a soul - makes you no different from the numerous fanatical religous groups in the Middle East we are currently stuck fighting with?
Now, I myself feel that I am a spritual person and would not advocate a woman getting an abortion for only the direst of reasons. However, according to the Constitution, I don’t have the right to impose my religous views on another. So yes, you are correct that the only way this will be resolved to your satisfaction would be through some sort revolution.
However, that is something I would resist as I think that it would fly in the face of every principal on which that this nation was founded.
Why do you hate America, Peter?
March 14th, 2008 at 7:04 am
Rich,
If I hated america I would have the guts to leave it… I don’t, I’m here… I perfer that each State determines its code of ethics (constitution) and is free to live as they choose… I perfer not being rulled by 9 unelected men/women in black gowns… I believe the other two branches of the government have not exercied their responsibility in regards to the court and have given too much of their power to the court perhaps because it is sometimes easier to pass the buck to someone else to solve or be responsible for a problem. If you look at the founding fathers intentions for the court, it is not what it has become today.
As far as the slavery allusion: Slavery was outlawed a long time ago.
. I don’t believe mothers or fathers OWN their children, they are responsible for nurturing and defending them not destroying them. As a civilized state those that destroy innocent life should be held accountable for their actions - that sounds reasonable to me - or should we abolish all laws and let people live in anarchy and do what they please?
Peter
March 14th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Iam BOUND4LIFE
“Jesus, I plead your Blood over my sins and the sins of my nation. God, end abortion and send revival to America.”
Its not a protest, its a prayer movement
March 17th, 2008 at 7:57 am
“Jesus, I plead your Blood over my sins and the sins of our nation. God, end abortion and send revival to America.”
“All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
-Edmond Burke-
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Joshua 24:15
March 17th, 2008 at 8:03 am
A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument.” ~ Adam McCain
March 25th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I just got back from taking my two young children to see Horton. It was a rare treat given the limited, truly children’s movies available today, and the ridiculous price they charge at the theaters (even matinées).
All of us thought it was very entertaining, but part way through it, the phrase Horton kept saying started to make me wonder. So, I Googled when I got back, and sure enough others thought the same.
This was my son’s first movie in a theater (my daughter’s second). Whether it was intentional or not, this movie was a great gift reaffirming to everyone who sees it that a person is a person no matter how small (from conception until death if I may add).
March 26th, 2008 at 11:44 am
It seems to me the pro-life group got what they wanted…whether negative or positive they received attention and feedback from the media and sparked discussion all over the internet… I think they were prepared to make themselves look like fools for their cause… they were in expectation of your hateful comments… and they still went ahead with plans… and many of the complaints were that they “interrupted” a movie, with their silence? It seems to me the complaint of the pro-life group is just a little bit bigger than being breifly distracted from a kids movie you can see again… the complaint that a life that would have been is not going to be because people love their sin and don’t have enough self control to either protect themsleves or better yet for the sake of morality refrain from sex until they are ready to have a child… so an innocent baby has to die or not live because of an adults guilty pleasure… what is wrong with us??? The blood of the innocent is on our hands… we are guilty… and if God is a just judge we are in line for judgment… the church is praying for mercy because He wants us to ask, He wants to have mercy… but sometimes Gods mercy is His judgment… what does he have to do to bring us to our knees, make us desperate enough to turn to Him in repentance…Oh how He loves us.
March 27th, 2008 at 6:33 am
Just a couple of things (because this hasn’t dragged on quite long enough)…
Peter- You still haven’t answered my questions from March 14. I don’t think you can. I am still waiting for you to explain how your instance that laws be drafted to suit your religious philosophy is anything but a flaunting of the very principals this country was founded upon and the very thing we are currently embroiled in the Middle East.
An open question to pro-lifers- Your movement has allied itself with the Republican Party, who have notorious for cutting spending for childcare and even basic services for the poor, have gutted the educational system in this country through the failed “No Child Left Behind” program, have gotten rid of inner-city after school programs resulting in a rise in teen crime statistics and how continue to push for “abstinence-only” sex education, when numerous studies show that such programs are entirely ineffective. Why is it you continue this association, when it appears that though they say all life is precious, they appear to not give a tinker’s damn about it once its out of the womb?
March 27th, 2008 at 8:24 am
@Rich D
You are confusing compassionate acts as being a Government exclusive ability…
Just because we don’t think small groups of elitist politicians should regulate every minuscule aspect of the economy and redistribute wealth under the threat of punishment doesn’t mean we don’t take care of our own families or support charities. There are numerous pro-life organizations that help women with pregnancy, adoption, etc. Not including all the Christian charities all across the world. Don’t make silly accusations that Republicans don’t care at all about life outside the womb. The problems you listed are caused by pathetic lifestyle choices, not a lack of responsibility or compassion from people like me.
March 28th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Rich,
EVEN if there is no God abortion is evil… in the case that there is a living God then the soul who was murdered by the abortionist was innocent in God’s eyes. That soul could go to heaven having done no wrong
but
if there is NO God then that person’s one and only chance to have a long happy life and choose to experience ‘The Pursuit of Happiness’ outlined in the declaration of independence has been eliminated without a hearing and without mercy.
Its time to abolish the slavery of abortion… thank the founders for a governement that rules by majority. Someday a maority will overturn roe v wade and people can live in liberty again.
BTW - I am for Mike Huckabee. I support more funding for children. I would support a TAX increase earmarked for unwanted children if abortion was outlawed but somehow I think that a lot of women would still choose to have their unborn child executed than allow a ’stranger’ to care for them.
Peter
March 30th, 2008 at 1:21 am
i dunno, sounds kinda immature to me “if i cant/dont wanna raise my kid no one can!” that self-centered attitude reminds me of preschool. i knew this girl and when someone wanted to play with a toy she would grab it and sit on it so they couldnt play with it. “well do you want to play with it?” i would ask. “no.” she said. “i just dont want them to.” and as for that figuratively raped girl in the previous pathos argument, sure that sucks, but please tell me why would it be more beneficial for her to abort than give up? pardon my ignorance, im only a kid with a massive vocabulary; but i honestly cant think of a good reason. i can think of only two: paperwork and fear of pain. neither are good reasons, there are pain eliminating drugs, sea sections, (and suprise! abortions arent comfortable affairs either!) and perhaps those of you who have paperworkphobia could find some pro-lifer to fill it out for you. i just dont under stand what exactly the pro-choicer is choosing. why is it so important to you that the baby isnt born?
p.s. sorry for being so completely of topic. i just found the conversation interesting.
April 10th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Abortion IS murder, plain and simple, morons…..and the movie IS a kids movie, plain and simple and all the pro abortion comments show you people for who you really are, a bunch of selfish brats. btw if you assume that half of the aborted babies are female what about their womens rights?