Cloverfield

Over at U.S. News & World Report, assistant managing editor James Pethokoukis has transformed into a sort of hedge fund swami, predicting that next week’s Cloverfield will be the most profitable film of 2008. The key word here is “profitable.” With a reported $30 million budget, average marketing costs and countless months of rabid Internet buzz, the film could be in the black by Sunday of its opening weekend, a feat that Iron Man, with a budget estimated at $200 million and millions in additional marketing costs, simply will not accomplish. So, could Pethokoukis be right?

The most optimistic predictions have Cloverfield grossing $150 million maximum domestically (roughly $100 million profit), but that number would be considered a low domestic gross for Iron Man, The Dark Knight, Prince Caspian, Indiana Jones IV, Speed Racer, Wall-E, Hancock, The Mummy 3, Angels and Demons, Bond 22, Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince, Star Trek, and The Love Guru. The chance that more than one of these aforementioned blockbusters will be a meteoric smash (top 10 all time) looms large. And worldwide prospects for Cloverfield are also hazy, not to mention miniscule when you consider that Prince Caspian’s predecessor The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe grossed $750 million worldwide, while Caspian was reportedly $50 million cheaper to produce and has a built-in global audience.

While Pethokoukis is out there predicting Cloverfield’s end of the year superlatives, I’m still wondering if it’s going to be a major hit ($100 million plus). I put as much weight on my circle of friends as audience tracking, and some still aren’t aware of the film. This wasn’t the case with I Am Legend or Juno, but it was with AVP-R. There’s not only more awareness for There Will Be Blood but feverish excitement, which is strange to me. Cloverfield’s title is awful and in no way memorable. Nothing about it thunders “must-see event.” It also reminds me of Neil Young’s high concept album Greendale, which was reportedly the flick’s original title as well. What else makes its hit prospects less than stellar? There are no stars, no big director, not much promotion on the talk shows, and there are constant references to The Blair Witch Project in old media articles and newsbytes, which give the impression that the film is “all hype, no delivery” to a lot of casual moviegoers.

Those people don’t want to get “burned” again, nor do they want to see a movie with such an esoteric and high geek quotient a la Grindhouse. As for the marquee value of J.J. Abrams, I’m not convinced. The third Mission Impossible’s domestic performance is blamed on Tom Cruise, which is fair, but J.J.’s name didn’t help one way or the other. Why is his name being put on par with Bruckheimer’s or even Apatow’s? Lost? I don’t know anyone who knows anyone who follows this show, except for those two universal guys at work who passionately chat about it in their cubicles. Maybe. Similar to Al Sharpton’s creation by the media, I’m convinced the “Lost craze” was invented by Entertainment Weekly. Two other things: I Am Legend already destroyed New York and for many that cathartically ended the chaos and anxiety that was 2007, so why start 2008 with more of the same? And I still believe that the words “too soon” subliminally trigger in the minds of many American moviegoers when they see trailers for films that inherently conjure the imagery of 9/11. [Re: Yes, of course I'm going to see Cloverfield.]

In defense of the film possibly being a big hit, the PG-13 rating is going to suck all teens off the street and shake the money out. A real deal non-lame monster movie is something today’s teens haven’t experienced in a theater. There is also nothing opening for the entire month of January except Rambo. With the TV strike ongoing, crystal meth being dangerous and books being books, this is to Cloverfield’s utmost advantage. Everything about it is original, which is a positive. And then there’s the Internet and the geeks, but don’t get me started: biggest enigma ever.

I predict that Cloverfield opens to $35 million and reaches $105 million domestic. That’s a lot of fuss for Die Hard 3 numbers. But I admit it’s a shot in the dark. If it does anything less than $100 million, maybe the Internet’s meant for something besides huge viral marketing campaigns.

Will Cloverfield cross $100 million? Moreover, will it be the most profitable flick of 2008? Are you all talk or are you really going to see it? Does your mom know about it?

Thanks to /Film reader asdsa for submitting the link for this story

  • Freddie
    The fact that it's so early in the year is one reason that it's hard to say if it'll be the most profitable film of 08 but also, I honestly can't gauge how much audiences are into the concept of Cloverfield. The internet buzz is huge, no question, but hell.. Snakes on a Plane was HUGE on the internet and not only did it suck, but it didn't make a whole hell of a lot.

    Will it cross the $100 million? I'm gonna go with $38M opening.. finishing cumulative in the lower $90M range. I think this is a movie that's not going to have very good legs.. big opening, not so much afterwards.

    Should be interesting to look back at my predictions (probably after it opens to $60M and finishes $200+ or something haha).

    Oh and the last movie my mom watched was Miss Congeniality so I'm gonna guess no.
  • Dickens
    I really wanna see Cloverfield, and I have followed all the internet buzz since that first transformers teaser with no name...but i really have no interest or desire to see this movie in the theater...
    it looks like it could be a kick ass movie, but it really doesnt grip me...
    looks like it could also just be a movie about a bunch of people running around with camera, trying not to get squashed. with a cool (?) monster for a couple minutes at the end...
    so who knows.
    ill wait for the torrent.
  • Orange cinema
    hunter: 1) why does the excitement for 'there will be blood' seem strange to you? This should be a victory, as it is the finest male performance of the year (one of the finest ever, too) and one of the best films of the year as well.
    2) Lost is huge. Check the DVD sales of season 3, and the excitement for season 4 on jan 31 stretches just 'a little' beyond 2 guys at unversal & entertainment weekly. Since you don't like it, you don't have to take my word for it, but do some research before you print something that...'silly' is a nice way to say it.
  • Jerry Butler
    This is a simple case of being a big fish in a small pond or a moderate fish in the big pond of major studio releases. By the amount of money they've spent in marketing and the release date, we can see where the execs are content with being. And they're the ones who saw the dailes. So you have to assume that they know that this movie wouldn't have a chance against the big boys.

    I wonder what they were seeing which brought them to that conclusion and lowered their trust in the project's possible success. guess we'll all know in about a week.
  • Peter
    Im sorry Hunter but you are an idiot for dissing Lost.
    Almost everyone I know watches Lost and it is in no way hype created by EW.
    Ive been reading your stuff for a couple of weeks now and by the things ive read im assuming after a couple of episodes you were confused and embarrassed you didn't "get it" so you made the decision to be a Lost basher.
    Please bring back more Peter please!!!
  • more first eye witness reports here i sent this to dennis lets see if he finally gives me some credit :P
    http://www.floridaventureblog.com/labels/clover...
  • Scott
    Jerry... the studio has rolled out a massive marketing push. TV spots have been running rapidly for about 4 weeks now on all major channels. I have seen major billboards for it too. Where do you get your info about what the exec's spent on marketing? I would say by the looks of the marketing push the studio has great confidence in the product, which for a January release, is something impressive, don't you think?
  • Jerry Butler
    I get my info from this blog entry. It says that the movie only got "average marketing".

    Sure there are commercials. I've also been seeing commercials for Rambo and those cgi Pirate vegetables on tv and billboards. Every major studio gets some promo backing. But look at those other two movies which the studio chose to stack Cloverfield up against.

    That is the most telling bit right there.
  • $hn@zy
    I for sure am going to see this movie along with a couple of friends, but i honestly dont think that this movie is known by enough people to do amazing in the box office, which is sad to me because paramount has really pushed for this movie to do great. I think the problem was that they started the hype to soon and after to long people lost interest, i sure as hell didnt but a lot of people did. They should have put some trailers in with i am legend to reach more people.
  • Michael
    I'm a high school teacher and I knew before it opened that 300 was going to be a huge hit. All of my students were talking about it. I mentioned Cloverfield yesterday, and not one knew what it was.
  • Jerry Butler
    Well, I think the problem there was... how many trailers can you make with the same exact footage of people looking scared and running?
  • $70 million opening weekend. goodnite.
  • Stev
    I wasn't one of those who saw the teaser before Transformers. I got in late and must've missed it, must've been awesome though. But I jumped on the "Cloverfield" bandwagon after the first tv spots started appearing. Even though I'd known about the movie months before by reading movie blogs and sites, I was never interested in the games, or the viral marketing, I just thought the movie sounded cool. And now, the tv spots were soo intense, I'm definitely on for opening weekend, and going with about six friends. I predict around $30 million, opening weekend, with a shot at $100 million milestone.
  • @Orange Cinema,

    The excitement for There Will Be Blood surprises me in contrast to the excitement for Cloverfield because the latter film has one of the most lavish, mysterious marketing campaigns ever, while TWBB is currently only in 200 theaters (making a killing, but still). And of course, I'm referring to my circle of friends, which includes people who live for film and people who don't care. I want There Will Be Blood to be a major hit on the level of Juno, there is no doubt. It deserves to be. We can also post about TWBB and it gets 10 comments, Cloverfield consistently gets 30-50 comments. That's why it's so hard to gage Cloverfield's box office.

    @ Lost fans / People calling me an idiot

    Lost is not a top 20 show and hasn't been for some time. It's popular and makes money, but name another show outside the top 20 that gets a bazillion EW covers? Sure, the DVDs do well and it's popular on iTunes, but....my point: Why is J.J. Abrams' name expected to make general audiences rush to the theater to see a film he produced or directed? He's never had a theatrical hit. The one film he directed did the least business in the franchise. Star Trek hasn't come out yet, I know some think it has. Was there a $200 million grossing Lost movie that I wasn't aware of? Otherwise, what's the correlation between Lost having great DVD sales and so-so ratings and Cloverfield being predicted as the most profitable film of 2008 or even a mega smash?
  • DrillS
    You know, you should do some research before dissing Lost. Lost is one of the highest rated shows on tv especially amongst the key 18-49 demographic. It is probably the most critically acclaimed show on network tv and has a fan base that extends way beyond two guys at Universal and EW. Right now the Season 3 dvd is in its 4th week and so far the number of Lost S3 dvds sold in the first 4 months is more than any other tv show in the same time period and that is despite the fact that Lost was released opposite dvd releases of summer blockbusters whereas most other tv shows were release in August/September when they had to face no competition. Lost is a groundbreaking tv show and it has done for tv what the original Star Wars movies did for movies.

    Jerry Butler Says:

    I get my info from this blog entry. It says that the movie only got “average marketing”.

    Sure there are commercials. I’ve also been seeing commercials for Rambo and those cgi Pirate vegetables on tv and billboards. Every major studio gets some promo backing. But look at those other two movies which the studio chose to stack Cloverfield up against.

    That is the most telling bit right there.


    What is this supposed to mean? They have released 4 different trailers and about 18 tv spots. That is hell of a lot of marketing. I don't think any January movie has gotten near the same amount of advertisement in years. And what two movies are you talking about that cloverfield is being stacked against?
  • DrillS
    WOW Hunter Stephenson keeps digging himself into a hole

    Hunter Stephenson: Lost is not a top 20 show and hasn’t been for some time.

    Like I said before you should do some research before saying something about which you don't know nothing, Lost's season by season rankings from The Hollywood Reporter

    Total Viewers:

    Season #: Rank
    Season 1: 14th
    Season 2: 14th
    Season 3: 17th

    Adults 18-49 rankings (basically the only thing that matters on tv as far as advertising goes)

    Season #: Rank
    Season 1: 15th
    Season 2: 8th
    Season 3: 9th

    And that is in addition to Lost being the Number 1 tv show on dvd .

    He’s never had a theatrical hit. The one film he directed did the least business in the franchise.
    MI:# was the most critically acclaimed of the series and it's box office gross was pretty solid.

    Was there a $200 million grossing Lost movie that I wasn’t aware of?

    Lost has made ABC billions of $s. Felicity and Alias lasted numerous seasons, were hits and made their parent companies millions. Having a tv show that lasts such a long time is 10x more difficult then making a $200million grossing movie.
  • @DrillS,

    Please see my previous comment per accusations of "dissing Lost." I'm not dissing the quality of Lost, I'm not "dissing" anything actually. While Lost fans are fervent (obvi ;)) and there is definitely a "Lost craze" on the Internet, the show's ratings do not reflect that it's a massive sensation on par (re: on par) with the popularity of shows like Dallas, Seinfeld or Friends amongst general television audiences, nor is it on par with something like Halo. If Lost was a Top 5 show for five years running, maybe its fans could throw around the word "Spielbergian" but I see that title as incredibly premature when applied to J.J. and his movie(s).
  • Hunter: Just to play devil's advocate - Spielberg comes out with television shows all the time which fail horribly...

    Besides, I think if Paramount could get in the top 20 films of the year with Cloverfield, they would be esstatic (ie not likely). They aren't looking for or expecting a Speilberg hit with Cloverfield.
  • @ Peter,

    Note that I have never called Spielberg "Abramsian" or "J.J.-esque."
  • orange cinema
    @ Hunter: ahh, i see what you are saying about TWBB. I feel the exact same way, and am very disappointed at the marketing campaign the movie has recieved (or should we say, has NOT recieved). It is frustrating for me to continuously find people who have no idea what the film is at all. meanwhile, we all know the next fantastic four installment (or something along those sad lines) will be on every billboard and every commercial. However, it is nice to have some films like these, that 'we' can keep for ourselves, you know? but the world should really experience Lewis's performance...just breathtaking.

    ps: good luck fighting the Lost battle - we are a dedicated bunch! i love it as much as the next fanatic, but i do admit it has slipped in ratings - IMHO not in quality. what bothers me the most, is that i've recently read that the final three seasons (4,5,6) will be only 12-14 episodes long - while the previous three have been 22-24. i guess this will eliminate filler episodes, but i like em all, so its a loss.
  • @ orange cinema,

    I wouldn't count out TWBB just yet as a crossover hit. As you see with the "milkshake" website, DLL's performance is catching on with the mainstream. If it wins Best Picture, I think the growing comparisons to De Palma's Scarface as far as pop culture impact will have credence.
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