Comments on: Exclusive Script Review: Darren Aronofsky’s The Wrestler http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/ Blogging the Reel World Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:24:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: shewantsariot http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-441536 shewantsariot Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:23:10 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-441536 I have quite a few friends in indy wrestling, and even one who wrestles for TNA (Jay Lethal.) I think this sounds like a pretty accurate portrayal of the business. Some people may nitpick a detail or two, or say that something is exaggerated, but ya know what? No movie will ever be exactly perfect to real life. Also, "reality" differs from company to company, or from area to area. I've heard the term "ring rat" before I ever heard it shortened to "rat", so either term would suffice. Throwing up the X is something I've never seen in my years of attending indy shows, but I'm sure it's done somewhere, otherwise where would the writer have gotten it from? I look forward to this movie and I love Evan Rachel Wood, so this is gonna kick ass. Hate all you want. No one's forcing you to go see it. I have quite a few friends in indy wrestling, and even one who wrestles for TNA (Jay Lethal.) I think this sounds like a pretty accurate portrayal of the business. Some people may nitpick a detail or two, or say that something is exaggerated, but ya know what? No movie will ever be exactly perfect to real life. Also, “reality” differs from company to company, or from area to area. I’ve heard the term “ring rat” before I ever heard it shortened to “rat”, so either term would suffice. Throwing up the X is something I’ve never seen in my years of attending indy shows, but I’m sure it’s done somewhere, otherwise where would the writer have gotten it from? I look forward to this movie and I love Evan Rachel Wood, so this is gonna kick ass. Hate all you want. No one’s forcing you to go see it.

]]> By: matthew http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-401549 matthew Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:49:11 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-401549 i read the script and i loved it....truth is, the stripper wasnt his gf, they hardly have a relationship....i dont get why people are calling this a cliché...his character wasnt dating anyone...he was simply a pretty big loser whose life was pretty much derailed because of the way he chose to ignore responsibility when he was in the spotlight....its not about wrestling, its about redemption. and all the minor details like throwing up the X, and what have you....i only have to say two things: A) average viewers wont have a clue as to whether or not that scene is "accurate" to how things are done in the "real world" and B) it's a draft.....the screenwriter is responsible for getting it as close as possible to the real thing, sure, but at a certain point it's not necessary to get every last detail correct....after the script is sold and put into production, they'd obviously hire a consultant to make sure it's all realistic and so, i bet most of that stuff is already fixed before they start filming. i read the script and i loved it….truth is, the stripper wasnt his gf, they hardly have a relationship….i dont get why people are calling this a cliché…his character wasnt dating anyone…he was simply a pretty big loser whose life was pretty much derailed because of the way he chose to ignore responsibility when he was in the spotlight….its not about wrestling, its about redemption.

and all the minor details like throwing up the X, and what have you….i only have to say two things: A) average viewers wont have a clue as to whether or not that scene is “accurate” to how things are done in the “real world” and B) it’s a draft…..the screenwriter is responsible for getting it as close as possible to the real thing, sure, but at a certain point it’s not necessary to get every last detail correct….after the script is sold and put into production, they’d obviously hire a consultant to make sure it’s all realistic and so, i bet most of that stuff is already fixed before they start filming.

]]> By: Mandy http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-236222 Mandy Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:19:09 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-236222 Wow the movie looks great. My pal is in the ring of Honor. I am his # 1 fan. I don't know a lot about wrestling as a lot of other people do. My uncle knows C.M. punk as I do to. I want to see the movie when it comes out. Wow the movie looks great. My pal is in the ring of Honor. I am his # 1 fan. I don’t know a lot about wrestling as a lot of other people do. My uncle knows C.M. punk as I do to. I want to see the movie when it comes out.

]]> By: Darren Aronofksy is doing a movie on pro wrestling?! « david dalpiaz dot com http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-208500 Darren Aronofksy is doing a movie on pro wrestling?! « david dalpiaz dot com Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:44:29 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-208500 [...] a bit excited. Its projected release is early ‘09. A bit more info can be gleaned from this review of a script draft. Official site. Also included to my great pleasure: Marisa Tomei. George [...] [...] a bit excited. Its projected release is early ‘09. A bit more info can be gleaned from this review of a script draft. Official site. Also included to my great pleasure: Marisa Tomei. George [...]

]]> By: mentalground0 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-204372 mentalground0 Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:52:53 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-204372 married to the bizness: i am also married to someone in the business on the indy level, so i think i know what i'm talking about. plus, i'm a writer, so i know a terrible, hackneyed plot when i read one. and i believe we're on the internet and in america, where people are allowed to have their own opinions and ideas and be able to agree or disagree with people in a reasonable and articulate fashion and not just attack someone because we don't agree with their point of view. so i think the script stinks, you may have another opinion and we can agree to disagree, so really there's no reason for a personal attack. married to the bizness: i am also married to someone in the business on the indy level, so i think i know what i’m talking about. plus, i’m a writer, so i know a terrible, hackneyed plot when i read one. and i believe we’re on the internet and in america, where people are allowed to have their own opinions and ideas and be able to agree or disagree with people in a reasonable and articulate fashion and not just attack someone because we don’t agree with their point of view. so i think the script stinks, you may have another opinion and we can agree to disagree, so really there’s no reason for a personal attack.

]]> By: Nicole http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-204363 Nicole Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:47:51 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-204363 Just because you're married to a wrestler doesn't mean you know everything about wrestling. My husband is a firefighter, and while I do know how to put out a fire I do not know every nuance of his job. Sounds like you're the smark one around here. Just because you’re married to a wrestler doesn’t mean you know everything about wrestling. My husband is a firefighter, and while I do know how to put out a fire I do not know every nuance of his job.

Sounds like you’re the smark one around here.

]]> By: Smith http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-204344 Smith Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:18:41 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-204344 Married to the bizness...I am IN the biz. I have read the script as well and auditioned for a part. Mentalground0 and MoreInsideThanOutside are right in that it is a pretty bad script. In addition, ROH IS an indy organization that utilizes the X when a wrestler is hurt. I can also say that in every organization I wrestle in, rats are rats, not ring rats. Only fans call females rats where I've been (mostly east coast and Japan). I've dated valets but I've mostly dated women who are completely outside of the biz. Never a stripper. I think MITO's point was that a normal woman would have been more realistic in general and if you have to go with someone in showbiz, why not a valet or woman wrestler instead of falling back on the tired old stripper cliche. It sounds like you're the one on a high horse when the previous posters have actually read the script and you're just working on assumptions. Just because you're married to a wrestler doesn't mean you know everything about every organization everywhere. Married to the bizness…I am IN the biz. I have read the script as well and auditioned for a part. Mentalground0 and MoreInsideThanOutside are right in that it is a pretty bad script.

In addition, ROH IS an indy organization that utilizes the X when a wrestler is hurt. I can also say that in every organization I wrestle in, rats are rats, not ring rats. Only fans call females rats where I’ve been (mostly east coast and Japan).

I’ve dated valets but I’ve mostly dated women who are completely outside of the biz. Never a stripper. I think MITO’s point was that a normal woman would have been more realistic in general and if you have to go with someone in showbiz, why not a valet or woman wrestler instead of falling back on the tired old stripper cliche.

It sounds like you’re the one on a high horse when the previous posters have actually read the script and you’re just working on assumptions. Just because you’re married to a wrestler doesn’t mean you know everything about every organization everywhere.

]]> By: married to the bizness http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-204292 married to the bizness Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:11:41 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-204292 Being the WIFE of a wrestler, I disgaree with both MoreInsideThanOutside & mentalground0. You two are coming across as a couple of smarks who think you know more than you actually do. Most of the guys I know (my husband included) refer to the groupies as "ringrats." "Throwing up the X" is a WWe thing, not an indy wrestling thing. And although I WAS a former valet who dated and then married my charge, most wrestlers date girls who have absolutely NOTHING to do with the wrestling business. Step away from the bright lights, smoke, and mirrors of "the E" and educate yourselves on indy wrestling... if you can "lower" yourself to do so. Being the WIFE of a wrestler, I disgaree with both MoreInsideThanOutside & mentalground0. You two are coming across as a couple of smarks who think you know more than you actually do. Most of the guys I know (my husband included) refer to the groupies as “ringrats.” “Throwing up the X” is a WWe thing, not an indy wrestling thing. And although I WAS a former valet who dated and then married my charge, most wrestlers date girls who have absolutely NOTHING to do with the wrestling business.

Step away from the bright lights, smoke, and mirrors of “the E” and educate yourselves on indy wrestling… if you can “lower” yourself to do so.

]]> By: MoreInsideThanOutside http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-204239 MoreInsideThanOutside Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:13:36 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-204239 I read the script as well and I agree with Mentalground0...the script is awful. It's completely cliched down to the stripper girlfriend. Do you want a real script? Have Ram dating a valet or female wrestler. The industry language is wrong...fans call them "ring rats", not the guys. There is also an incorrect use of "pop" later on. In addition, the scene where Ram is legitimately hurt seems to be written by someone who fell for "a work" at some point. A real injury would never go down like that in the ring. I wish someone out there, preferably an insider, could actually paint a real, respectful picture of wrestling and what the guys actually go through on a show by show basis. I hope Aronofosky can work a miracle...and if he's reading this, please get a legitimate insider to fix the script. I read the script as well and I agree with Mentalground0…the script is awful. It’s completely cliched down to the stripper girlfriend. Do you want a real script? Have Ram dating a valet or female wrestler. The industry language is wrong…fans call them “ring rats”, not the guys. There is also an incorrect use of “pop” later on. In addition, the scene where Ram is legitimately hurt seems to be written by someone who fell for “a work” at some point. A real injury would never go down like that in the ring.

I wish someone out there, preferably an insider, could actually paint a real, respectful picture of wrestling and what the guys actually go through on a show by show basis.

I hope Aronofosky can work a miracle…and if he’s reading this, please get a legitimate insider to fix the script.

]]> By: mentalground0 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-203188 mentalground0 Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:47:08 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-203188 i read the script as well and it's terrible. it doesn't treat the business with respect - it uses every tired cliche i've seen elsewhere (you point out the fannypacks, but only a few of the old school guys wear those anymore), Siegel uses the terms incorrectly (none of the boys ever say "ringrats" - they say "rats") and there are plenty of technical problems (the opponent says "is there a doctor?" to the crowd instead of the ref throwing up the X). I thought it was a sloppy, poorly researched script with too much lazy writing. i read the script as well and it’s terrible. it doesn’t treat the business with respect - it uses every tired cliche i’ve seen elsewhere (you point out the fannypacks, but only a few of the old school guys wear those anymore), Siegel uses the terms incorrectly (none of the boys ever say “ringrats” - they say “rats”) and there are plenty of technical problems (the opponent says “is there a doctor?” to the crowd instead of the ref throwing up the X). I thought it was a sloppy, poorly researched script with too much lazy writing.

]]> By: The Wrestler: Verkligen First Look. « Trailerfest http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-197516 The Wrestler: Verkligen First Look. « Trailerfest Sat, 09 Feb 2008 13:07:39 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-197516 [...] Mickey Rourke spelar i Darren Aronofskys The Wrestler Randy “The Ram” Robinson, en wrestlare som hade sin guldtid pÃ¥ 80-talet och numera är en skugga av sitt forna jag. Efter att han fÃ¥r en hjärtattack under en dussinmatch fÃ¥r han beskedet att han mycket väl kan dö om han gÃ¥r in i ringen igen, men när The Ram fÃ¥r chansen att möta sin gamle nemesis The Ayatollah sÃ¥ är chansen för lockande att motstÃ¥, trots risken. Manuset är skrivet av Robert Siegel och en utförlig recension av manuset finns här. [...] [...] Mickey Rourke spelar i Darren Aronofskys The Wrestler Randy “The Ram” Robinson, en wrestlare som hade sin guldtid pÃ¥ 80-talet och numera är en skugga av sitt forna jag. Efter att han fÃ¥r en hjärtattack under en dussinmatch fÃ¥r han beskedet att han mycket väl kan dö om han gÃ¥r in i ringen igen, men när The Ram fÃ¥r chansen att möta sin gamle nemesis The Ayatollah sÃ¥ är chansen för lockande att motstÃ¥, trots risken. Manuset är skrivet av Robert Siegel och en utförlig recension av manuset finns här. [...]

]]> By: Heather http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-195815 Heather Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:06:04 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-195815 According to what I've read, Kid USA (a Northeast indy guy) is Mickey's stunt double. According to what I’ve read, Kid USA (a Northeast indy guy) is Mickey’s stunt double.

]]> By: annitique@aol.com http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-193992 annitique@aol.com Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:18:02 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-193992 I heard Cassidy was being played by Marissa Tomei, excuse the spelling. I heard Cassidy was being played by Marissa Tomei, excuse the spelling.

]]> By: annitique@aol.com http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-193989 annitique@aol.com Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:15:12 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-193989 I was there on Friday night...what a trip. Mickey looked good, funny guy. His stunt double looked good, does anyone know who he is? I was there on Friday night…what a trip. Mickey looked good, funny guy. His stunt double looked good, does anyone know who he is?

]]> By: Heather http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-190118 Heather Mon, 04 Feb 2008 01:49:34 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-190118 abc123, Yep, I was the sole female in the "rowdy section" at ringside. And don't worry, I've already been spreading the word. abc123,

Yep, I was the sole female in the “rowdy section” at ringside. And don’t worry, I’ve already been spreading the word.

]]> By: abc123 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-189931 abc123 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:18:08 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-189931 @ heather you were at the wxw event in the pioneer club? im glad u had fun. dont forget to tell your friends about the movie!!!! @ heather

you were at the wxw event in the pioneer club? im glad u had fun. dont forget to tell your friends about the movie!!!!

]]> By: Heather http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-189668 Heather Sun, 03 Feb 2008 16:44:05 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-189668 I was at the filming this past weekend in Hasbrouck Heights and it was a blast. I overheard some crew members saying that they never had so much fun making a film before. Between that and seeing your review, I cannot wait to see this movie (and not just to see if I made the final cut!). I was at the filming this past weekend in Hasbrouck Heights and it was a blast. I overheard some crew members saying that they never had so much fun making a film before. Between that and seeing your review, I cannot wait to see this movie (and not just to see if I made the final cut!).

]]> By: James Yorks http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-183271 James Yorks Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:40:40 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-183271 Ya know...this sounds a lot like the life and times of a certain ECW wrestler..one we know as the franchise Shane Douglas. Ya know…this sounds a lot like the life and times of a certain ECW wrestler..one we know as the franchise Shane Douglas.

]]> By: Dave http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-178413 Dave Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:40:22 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-178413 I can't wait for all of this to go down! I've been into all the in's and out's of wrestling since childhood. Even done the backyard thing and suffering because of . But I still love it anyway. Looking forward to seeing all Feb. 8 & 9!!!!! I can’t wait for all of this to go down! I’ve been into all the in’s and out’s of wrestling since childhood. Even done the backyard thing and suffering because of . But I still love it anyway. Looking forward to seeing all Feb. 8 & 9!!!!!

]]> By: Michelle http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-176389 Michelle Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:28:15 +0000 http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/12/exclusive-script-review-darren-aronofskys-the-wrestler/#comment-176389 Evan Rachel Wood has been hired to play Stephanie. I haven't heard about Cassidy yet. Evan Rachel Wood has been hired to play Stephanie.
I haven’t heard about Cassidy yet.

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