Is it just me or does reading anything that has the words "Saw 4" "Saw 5" or god-forbid "Saw 6" in print, just seem... wrong?

At those rates, I say let 'em jump ahead and greenlight "Saw 17" with a $274,391,617.03 budget and sit back and watch global box office records go into meltdown. By then, we might even have "Saw: The Animated Series." Everybody wins :-D

What's most interesting to me about this story is the fact that they're considering skipping next Halloween and going for Saw 5 in 2009. Trying to stretch it out as far as possible?

I say give the Saw franchise credit. This generation needs a good horror franchise, much like I had with Jason and Freddy while growing up. (Though I really hope that they don't sink to the low level of a Saw 3-d like the Friday the 13th series did.)

Note to the makers of Saw: keep the budgets around $20m, no need to go too overboard. Don't make the viewers think they have to watch the whole series in order to watch the newest release. I have yet to see Saw3, and I might not get to before I see Saw4 in theaters.

Play it out, play it cool. Looking forward to new material.

yess hell yeah can't wait for # 10 these movies just keep getting better

Must watch SAWIV.. A MUST SEE! keep getting better..

saw 4 is a must see movie i just saw the 4th one and it made me go buy the 1-3 trilogy box set.I cant wait 4 the 5th saw and my god a 6th one to.the 4th is better than all of them 1-3 that is.

I would really have to disagree with a n y o n e,who said saw 4 was good. Come on guys. I was pretty much the same deal with saw 1.Although saw 2 also did copy the ending.

and killing of Erik? What the hell [sorry for the 'language'] ,was that about?! Keep him alive long enough for him to die.and its not like he killed himself...
well...actually in a weird way he did..but thats not the point.

Having Luke from gilmore girls just walk in and kill Jeff? What the eff man.
Pretty much I thought the whole movie was good,although the whole rape hotel room scene made me dissappointed. Here I thought 'Finally,a horror franchize WITHOUT any sex in it.' ha proved me wrong.

All I'm trying to say is that the ending could have been much better.Guess the writer[s] couldnt think of anything original?

I am happy,however, that theyre making saw 5 & 6. I will continue to watch it but saw 3 was much better and nothing in the franchize will top saw 1..pure genius.

to the guy (shan)that commented about eric being alive just to die . Look ovioussly you did not get the point of the 4th saw . Detective riggs test was not to get to the gedian building before the timer went off it was after . See riggs had a problem listening to , (hint,hint) . I agree saw 1 was genius but the second 3rd and forth are basically still the first one . The plot keeps on getting thicker . The ending of the 3rd had me thinking , the end of the 4th one is driving me crazy . All i got to say is do you think jigsaw work is ever going to be over , probally not he was way to smart . Loook forward to every halloween just to see saw .

ohh and just to set the record straight i have never seen a series of movies in my life that keep getting better incredible writers . Saw 4 was the ish , saw 5 is going to be better , ans so on and so on !!!!!!!

Is it just me or do numbers and letters keep appearing in these movies? Not up close but in the backrounds. Watch closely in Saw III, carved into walls, ceilings, lampshapes, floors there are numbers but its never explained what it means. In Saw IV the knife has a "G" carved in it....but again there are numbers and letters everywhere again. Does anyone know what they mean cos its bugging me haha

If anyone has anything bad to say about the Saw series then they either havent got the brian power to follow the story line at its fullest or they should just go back to watching harry Potter. "Saw 1 = Awesome" "Saw 2 = little bit let down but still good" "Saw 3 = pulled it right back and was even more awesome than Saw 1" and Ive seen Saw 4 = 3 times and the potential to write another 2 maybe 3 amazing movies is huge. PLEASE DONT CHANGE THE WRITER, DIRECTOR OR ANY OF THE ACTORS!! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!

A few pointers to follow up on...

1) What happens to the little girl from the end of Saw 3?
2) Did they find the body of the FBI agent in the frezzer or is he still alive?
3) Is the black guy still alive?
4) Is the new sidekick just a killer or is he as complex as Jigsaw?
5) Is there anything else on the waxed tape?

Halloween 2009.........

I want to play a game. i don't like horror flicks, my wife dose, so i take her to see the Saw movies (not missed one yet) BUT man, these Saw movies have go my attention. I love the plot. as we left Saw4 we said "man i can't wait for Saw 26" LOL,.. like it was said above they did all these Saw movies on all the holloweens and now there going to miss a year? thats all i find dissapointing, O well, i'll still be seeing these movies till my "GAME OVER"

Little man:

"1) What happens to the little girl from the end of Saw 3?
2) Did they find the body of the FBI agent in the frezzer or is he still alive?
3) Is the black guy still alive?
4) Is the new sidekick just a killer or is he as complex as Jigsaw?
5) Is there anything else on the waxed tape?"

All good questions. I'll do my best to answer them with my opinions, because I'm an avid fan of this series and have seen each movie over and over and over again.

1) I thought this would be answered in Saw 4. I was waiting for Jeff's role the entire time in the theater and it didn't come until the very end. His role in Saw 4 was minimal. I don't think his daughter will come into play at all in Saw 5 or 6, however, I wouldn't count it out. Jeff was supposed to play another game in order to find his daughter - perhaps his game will be played with the cop that shot him at the end of the movie. Remember, this series of movies literally has no sense of direction or even time. It's entirely possible, but I don't think is likely.

2) Again, the guy who shot Jeff [forget his name]. You have to assume that something happened to him. Perhaps he was killed, perhaps he played a game himself - nobody knows. For those who caught on to the idea of the movie, when Jigsaw's body was being worked on in the beginning, that was actually taking place AFTER the events of Saw 4. Meaning, if they found Jigsaw without that cop in the room, then something happened to him. What? Who knows? That should be answered in the next film, I would assume.

3) You mean Riggs? He didn't actually die in the film, so you can only assume that he's alive. Detective Mathews skipped a film [I didn't expect to see him back], so Riggs might appear in number 5, or number 6. Who knows? It's hard to tell whether or not these characters are gone for good or not. Many people I know still question whether or not Dr. Gordon is still alive. He never died in the films either, so where could he and will he pop up? Also, what about Detective Mathew's son? These are three people that could still play a role in the next few films.

4) The new "Jigsaw" isn't just a killer. Jigsaw said on his tape in the beginning of the movie that he would have to play a game. Think about the plot for Saw 4 - Jigsaw's lawyer was playing a game by keeping Mathew's and this Agent in one place while Riggs tries to find them. The Agent was obviously playing his own game the entire time, but what were the stipulations and why? Is he the "new" Jigsaw? It is assumed so. Then again, I highly doubt that is the case. I think that if someone is carrying out Jigsaw's work, I don't think it would be someone he is testing.

5) The waxed tape? I'll have to watch Saw 4 again. I can't seem to remember what you're referring to here. But if you could enlighten me, that would be great.

Where do I think this film is heading? I think No. 5 will be focused on trying to figure out how Jigsaw's work is still being carried out. They might bring the idea of a copycat into the picture. I would assume that Jill will continue to be interrogated. Then again, perhaps this Agent is the new Jigsaw and is doing the work himself. I suppose we'll have to wait a "few" years to find out.

The "waxed tape" that Littleman is referring to is the tape that was taken out of Jigsaw's stomach. The reason why he refers to it as the "waxed" tape is because Jigsaw dipped it in wax so that (most likely) it wouldn't get damaged after he ate it.

I do think Saw V will have something to do with this tape, and the new apprentice. However, either it will be Jigsaw's game that the apprentice plays, or the Apprentice's game(s) that others will play, since we now know who he is.

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I do have a few opinions on Saw IV; disappointingly bad opinions. Please note, I am not flaming the movie, but I do think, like most sequels, they're running out of ideas.

Firstly, Saw IV had very few connections to the other 3 movies. By this, I don't mean the story line connecting, I mean the way the movie was written. I know Rigg was playing his game, but, unlike the other 3 movies, the people he met during his game, were nobodies. They had nothing to do with his life and he had nothing to do with theres. Yes, Jigsaw was saying that he has to let them save themselves, but unlike the 3rd Saw, they weren't anyone that he met before..

Secondly, they introduced a brand new person; who happens to be the new Jigsaw / apprentice! What's with this? We never met this person before, nor have we ever seen him in the other 3 films; why would they do that? I'd be shocked if someone that we met in Saw I or II was the new apprentice, but, to tell you the truth, Saw IV was like a movie on it's own (because it introduced new people that stayed only within that movie) ~ and that's not what the other 3 were about.. I do understand that a few scenes in IV required you to see the other 3 to understand, but that still does not cover up the fact that there's so many people and scenes in this film that just don't make sense.

And finally, What was wrong with leaving it as Saw III? The movie ended so well..

I think everyone complains and fights to much about what they think about the saw movies. well not to sound weird or like a freak..which i am a horror freak so i should know that there are 7 saw stories originally made. this is why they have plans for the next ones. they dont keep going because its such a hit. its because the story is in actuality not over. notice how the end of every movie their is a twist and its not done. yes saw 3 everyone dies yet they make another one. well guess what it was awesome and twisting and still made number 1 in the box office with 32 million in the first weekend. kinda crazy guys so i think if you dont like it, don't watch and if you do. well sit back hold tight watch closley and see what heppens in number 7. then we can talk about saw series dieing.

oh ya and to serenity above my last entry above this one...uh im guessing you watched saw 4 and said hmm i wonder what is going on. uh all the victims have connections with Rigg, officer Hoffman is in the past saws and shows how he has been and apprentice with amanda which shows they both help jigsaw. notice how he is very weird throughout the movie? watch the end again closely. give me your address and i'll send you 8 bucks to go see it again because obviously you did not watch the movie or have seen the past 3. maybe you skipped one i dont know. no offense to ya or anything

here is the thing the det. that says game over to riggs was det. mathews partner , hint hint that has to be how jigsaw knows all about these characters its the only way so thats how he knows about everyones rap sheet because the inside info . people that are confused do you watch these movies for the gore or because you think outside the box ?? again i look forward to halloween even more because ir is written by pure intollect!!!!!!

This is the conclusion me and my friends have come up with for saw 4...the begining of the movie is really the end that we are watching because listen to what the tape says he tells the dectective his work is not done...and its impossible for him to have listened to the tape before the autopsy was done so the autopsy that being done in the begining is really then end of 4 and the begining of 5...Now when he locked the fbi agent in the room with the body and closed the door thats when we figured the begining was really the end because jigsaws body was still in the room as far as the black cop he didnt die he only got shot so i dont know if he will wake up in the next one and have to play a game or if him and the other cop will be attached to one another in the begining like they usually do and have to play a game

The ending of 4 is the begining of 6

Hats off to Davon...You and ur friends figured it out. SAW 4 is actually da beginning of SAW 5. After listening to the tape the whole movie just showed us how everything happened in the first 3. Like u said Da body was locked in with the FBI Agent at the end of SAW 3 and appeared on the morgue table in the beginning of SAW 4. Agent Strahm was a mastermind and cracking the cases if you paid close attention. He knew everything. From Amanda Young having help putting Detective Kerry up on the trap in SAW 3 to the four pictures of Ms. Tuck being on the four walls. The whole focal point I'm guessing will be on the FBI Agent Agent Strahm and Detective Hoffman and Riggs. Riggs wife is still missing and little Amy from SAW 3. Don't forget about Det. Matthews son as well. Riggs only had a flush wound and is the only person that knows Detective Hoffman is Jigsaws Apprentice. Agent Strahm never seen who shut the freezer on him so him and Riggs will have a run in and they game prolly be played amongst each other with Agent Strahm takin out RIgg leaving him to trust Det. Hoffman. Jigsaw told Det Hoffman the games are just beginning but they never started. Also They never showed us how Detective Hoffman started playing the game as well so look forward to that in SAW 5 or 6 and the Agent as well

Ok! Ryan and Josh good work guys, nice to see some people are paying attention to detail rather than just the gorey. Serenity please watch the other 3 movies again cos you will see that everyone is linked in some way. Most of you are getting it by now and the best clue was the fact that Hoffman was getting Jigsaw all the info on these criminals so he knew everything about them through police files but here are a few things and questions you may not have seen or notices....

1) If you notice in Saw 4 when Jigsaw is waiting for his wife to leave work a hooker comes to the car window. (Its the girl from Saw 2 who was in the house) my friend also said that the guy who slops the junkie who kills Jigsaws baby in Saw 4 is also one of the guys in the Saw 2 house but I couldnt see him that close...

2) Can you really swollow a tape?

3) This picture was released and then taken off a website before Saw 4 had its release www.femalefirst.co.uk/slideshow/Saw+IV-122-page...

Why did they choose to delete this scene in Saw 4?
Will it be in Saw 5?
Who is in the box?

4) Why did the writers deside to change the ending to Saw 3? www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCBvrL5CG5M

5) You think that Jigsaw wrote the letter in the Yellow envolope to Amanda in Saw 3 but you see in Saw 4 it was really Hoffman, What was in the letter and why did she cry?

6) There is a link to a child in each Saw movie. Saw 1 - the docs kid, Saw 2 - the boy in the safe, Saw 3 - Jeffs daughter, Saw 4 - Jigsaws kid. There was also a promo shot of Hoffman on the phone (which I cant find) Will there be a link where Hoffman has a kid the Jigsaw has and he is also being tested reather being a sidekick for Jigsaw and Amanda?

7) If Jigsaw bled to death when he had his neck cut open but the saw why was there so much blood in the autopy? (just picking a hole) :P

8) There are so many links in Saw 4 you cant sy its got nothing to do with the story line when there are so many people hiden in quick clips does this mean we will find out who and why the bald guy was blinded and chain the the layer who couldnt keep his mouth shut in the boiler room?

9) Going back to the hooker link, will we have an explination for everyone who was in the house in Saw 2 bar the ones they already gave history on?

Does anyone have a link for the quote "There has been 7 stories writen for the Saw series?

P.S. The reason why Saw 5 has been put back til Halloween 2009 is because Darren Lynn Bousman (The Director) is making a film called Repo! The Genetic Opera! about a biotech company to launch an organ-financing program (Meaning people can sell body organs for cash triggering off a number of killer to make money) so Saw 5 has been put on hold for a year.

Im never this articulate but there is something about the Saw series that just kees getting better!!!!

@ Ryan
I have seen the other three, and did understand Saw IV, but what I didn't get was why exactly the the new Jigsaw / apprentice was someone we wouldn't have even known until Saw IV.

He wasn't a major character, he didn't have much screen time or had a real background in the Saw series, and that's what confused me.

By no means at all did I mean to complain ~ my opinions are just that; opinions. Thus, it should be taken lightly. I enjoyed Saw IV, and hope it continues.. but I would have been satisfied with Saw III, just because everything was answered - everyone died and all the stories ended.

A quick reply to Littleman's Post..

1. I believe the guy must have died in Saw IV after freeing himself from Jigsaw's game.. The guy who said "I'll kill you" and then ran into the barbed wire couldn't be alive after that, could he?

2. Anything's possible in movies.. :)

3. The box seems to be the same box that Jigsaw had in his workshop in Saw IV. You notice it in one of the scenes when Jigsaw's wife came to him(?). It was there though, in one of the scenes.. This could mean that it was filmed during IV, but may make it into V?

4. I would have preferred that ending.. at least this way, it was left open for another sequel. This scene may appear in the next film? I guess the reason why they didn't use it was because they had different plans for Saw IV ~

5. I'd like to know this too ~ I'm sure it'll be answered later on.. another Saw twist.. yummy ^_^

6. Maybe?

7. Hehe.. Jigsaw may have not bled to death? If your neck is cut open, I don't think you'd be able to breathe. Plus, bleeding to death doesn't mean you're drained of all your blood.. Just means that too much blood was lost.

8. No one said it wasn't part of the storyline.. If you're talking about my post, then you misread. I specifically said that it didn't link to many events that happened in Saw, Saw II and Saw III, mostly because those events were already answered in Saw III.

The "bald guy" that you're referring to.. Is this the guy from the Hotel? He was binded in "chains" because he did this exact thing to the females he raped. It was his punishment, I assume?

9. I'm sorry, I don't know about this.. but I guess the right answer would be; We'd just have to wait and see.. :)

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To reply about the 7 stories.. I had a look when I heard about it as well (from the person a few replies up).. but couldn't find any.

However, to keep it like a "trilogy", if the guy that did hear about the 7 stories is correct, then there will be only up to Saw VII (6). The reason for this is because the original Saw, before Saw 1, which was made as a school project (google it), would most likely be counted as a story?

Anyway, either way, more Saw movies, the better.. :)

Oops.. I typed VII.. I meant VI .. My mistake.

Hey Serenity, I wasnt saying your opinion was wrong I was just saying that Saw 4 swings the door wide open for anything to happen in the next 3 movies.

going back to question 1) I ment the guy who slaps the junky in the hospital not the one that dies later but I have to see the movie again to find out.

and question 8) with the bald guy I meant the opening scene where two guys are chained to an engine in the middle of the room, one was the layer you find out why his mouth was wired shut later in the movie, I was just wondering who the other bald guy was and why his eyes where wired shut (Every person you see in the movie has a purpose)

In regards to the school project do you have a google link? if you mean this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_JeatV4mMU or others like it then these all came out after the first movies and where just college projects from kids around the world....

the original saw was not made as a school project. what are you talking about? and as for the question as to who was in that box with glass in the scene that was deleted. I think that one way or another, that was jigsaw in that box.

Jigsaw In the box? How and What makes you say that....?

that link you posted, i think that could be jigsaw. maybe for some reason he was testing himself or possibly, if there were a big enough twist, maybe somebody tested him back in the day...

I think Jigsaw was happy with his wife before he saw her working to hard for people that just didnt care about themselves. If she worked to much for junkies etc it could effect the babies health but ended up with a junky actually killing his kid. He must have been an engineer or an inventer before all of this but he turned it to evil after his son was taken away. He had no reason to test himself as in his eyes he did nothing wrong...

I'm just saying that I think by the end of the entire story, there is going to be some huge twist that was completely unexpected

I hope so. I pray its not a let down or they change the writer or director like in other quantologys etc....

John, a rumor was going around for quite some time before the release of Saw (during the trainer age, which was months before any information was released about Saw) that the original story line was bought from students who made a short 10 minute film.

No one confirmed it, but at the same time, no one denied it ~ so I'm not 100% sure, but after googleing it, you can see a few results that resemble these rumors.

ummmm hello i am aslo a saw freek lol umm just came by 2 say that saw4 is saw 5 cause in the movie it didnt really show anything new ... while the game was being played with riggs thats when the guy from say 3 was playing his game. So when the guy killed jigsaw dats when the cop came and shot the other guy cause he was going crazy lol . I think that there will be a saw 5 because at the end of the movie of saw 4 the tapped that was played in the beginning of da movie said that you'' ll think you''l will walk away untested u wont". so can sum 1 reply back to dis.

ummmm hello i am aslo a saw freek lol umm just came by 2 say that saw4 is saw 5 cause in the movie it didnt really show anything new ... while the game was being played with riggs thats when the guy from say 3 was playing his game. So when the guy killed jigsaw dats when the cop came and shot the other guy cause he was going crazy lol . I think that there will be a saw 5 because at the end of the movie of saw 4 the tapped that was played in the beginning of da movie said that you'' ll think you''l will walk away untested u wont". so can sum 1 reply back to dis. so idk

i also have to say sumthin da NEW appretence Det. Hoffman was shown in saw 3, it was a quick flick. it showed him while da guy was playing his game in the classroom. he was the guy that picked up the ring go c it closely and u'll will c him

Saw IV was great! Stop bitchin and wait for the answers that will be in Saw V and VI!

ummmwell when saw VI comes out thats when everybody will noe

yea littleman seems to have this down and knows more than me. and to reply to your reply serenity, i didn't mean to sound bitchy or mean i was just telling you what i know and it seems you are a little confused. well littleman did already answer your question how the new apprentice is well not really new just new to us but he is hoffman's partner so that does connect a lot. and yea everyone connected in the movies, which damn littleman i never notcied shit like that hooker and stuff but hey thats good she was in number 2 haha. well anyways yea the beginning of number 4 is really the end and the beginning of 5. just think of it as a lot of other movies do, they showed a scene, and then go back and the whole movie is what happened before that. so yea the trick you in the beginning hearing that famous tape, "game's not over" and then saw 4 begins. its really games not over after all the past and number 3 ends. this one is like the pre-saw and the in between saw 2 and 3. all the events that happen. so at the end they show the end of 3 where that guy gets locked in the room where jigsaw is lieing dead. so yea that guy has to be dead cause well they eventually went and got jigsaws body and did an autopsy where now is the end and the beginnig of 5. hoffman's partner was the appentice in the past along side amanda. well jigsaw is dead and he says to rigg game over. he goes to the otopsy and boom there is a tape, "game's not over" which is preffeing to him because jigsaw knew when he died he would be the one called when the morgue guys found the tape. so in conclusion, he has another apprentice and just my thought i think hoffmans partner will be tested and number 5 begins. and we wil wait to see what happens

i heard there gonna go up to saw 7

yo i heard there gonna go up to saw 7

Saw 3 left you thinking they would carry on where jeff had to find his kid, what if Saw 5 does the same and starts totally different showing yet anither side to someone when havent really seen much of?

What if Hoffman is just being tested much like Amanda yet he liked the game that much he thought he could take on Jigsaw?

I dont think the FBI agent that shot Jeff is dead cos there would have been 2 bodies brought into the morgue but from what i can remember there was just one?

Im sure there will be 7 movies made and Saw 5 and 6 will be shot together cos the studio knows its a huge brand an even though they will wonna make as many movies as possible they will wonna make as much cash return so shooting 2 movies at once will lower the risk and budget for each movie. That takes us up to Saw 6 but will they make the 7th.....?

Im having a Halloween party tonight and Im going as the Jigsaw Doll :-) W00t!!!

This series keeps getting better! After seeing number IV in the theaters I had to go back and watch the first three. In Saw III you see Jigsaw pouring the wax on the tape that is found in his stomach!! How far ahead are these writers thinking?!?!

Word is Saw 7 already.... :)

hey everyone, the story written called "Saw" as we all know is made for 7 movies. who cares about ratings and stuff their is gonna be 7 if that answers everyone's question

here is something that everyone is missing as well jigs son/daughter dies we find that out in the forth so here is the reasoning behind some of his targets . Not only are they not thankful for their life their not thankful for the life they have created i bet every one of his vics are parents

the saw series is the most creative movie ever made hats off to the writters

Costas Mandylor, you are so hot! Great acting in Saw IV! Thanks! I hope you'll come back for V&VI!
b2t@ I've never heard about Saw 7, but if it's true I'll watch it 'cause I'm a really big fan of the franchise. Saw is so succesfull because it's so different to all the other crappy horrormovies out there! It's a smart story and I love the characters! Keep going on Saw-makers, you see number #1 in the box office!

u all r stupid dont u get it all of da saw films hav sumthin 2 do with sum 1 child
saw 1 : Dr.Gordon Child
saw 2: Detetive MAtthews Child
Saw 3 : Jeffs Child
saw 4: jigsaws child
u c so probably in da next 1 it will tell u sumthin about all of their kids

u all r stupid dont u get it all of da saw films hav sumthin 2 do with sum 1 child
saw 1 : Dr.Gordon Child
saw 2: Detetive MAtthews Child
Saw 3 : Jeffs Child
saw 4: jigsaws child
u c so probably in da next 1 it will tell u sumthin about all of their kids duh

u all r stupid dont u get it all of da saw films hav sumthin 2 do with sum 1 child
saw 1 : Dr.Gordon Child
saw 2: Detetive MAtthews Child
Saw 3 : Jeffs Child
saw 4: jigsaws child
u c so probably in da next 1 it will tell u sumthin about all of their kids duh !