Our friends at MoviesOnline.ca have posted a couple new photos from SAW 4. One of which is a HUGE spoiler, so don’t continue after the jump if you don’t want to know.
Tobin Bell’s character Jigsaw died at the conclusion of SAW 3, and the opening clip of SAW 4 features the autopsy of Jigsaw where they find a tape inside his internal organs (watch that clip here), but the photo below shows Jigsaw alive. How could this be? May-be it’s a flashback? But I doubt it.
Saw 4 hits theaters on October 26th 2007.
September 27th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
my money is on hallucination
September 28th, 2007 at 6:55 am
It’s gotta be a flashback.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:51 pm
Could it be a prequal of some sort? …that would suck.
September 30th, 2007 at 9:00 am
It’s John and his girlfriend/wife/whatever in a flashback. The glass picture is John escaping from his crashed car when he tried to kill himself once he found out he had cancer. It’s all explained in a comic I saw somewhere a while ago. Both flashbacks!
October 8th, 2007 at 1:06 am
Saw 4 and 5 ???
October 10th, 2007 at 12:35 am
Tobin Bell Signed a 5 year contract, 6 saw films, that is his ex wife in the picture above, she will be carrying on jigsaws work, jigsaw is dead, that is a backflash (notice the long hair) this is showing him before what would be kemo treatment which would cause him to lose his hair. amanda is also dead but will probably apear in backflashes as well.
the whole basis of this movie isnt keeping one certain game running, but a series of twists which keep the story running and keeping it interesting. things you dont usually notice will become of the utmost important of imformation. (the backflash of the woman in saw 3 while hes getting operated on turning out to be his wife)
ownd
October 10th, 2007 at 8:09 am
ownd? afraid not
“Jigsaw definitely returns, but so do the traps, so do the twists, and so does the doll,” explained Bousman, who has directed all three sequels. “This is what I can tell you about the film: Everyone’s thinking, ‘Oh, they’re doing a prequel,’ but we’re not. Is Tobin back? One hundred percent he is. Is he badass in this? One hundred percent he is. Is Tobin only in flashbacks? No, he’s not.
http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1562410/20070613/story.jhtml#
Perhaps that particular picture is a flashback but it is clearly not. Perhaps your “ownage” was a bit premature as the explanations for whats going on i that picture could be one of a vast number of potential explanations
flashbacks? maybe
hallucinations? maybe
i wouldn’t be surprised if Bell was playing his characters twin or something as silly as that
it appears that the explanation is going to go beyond mere flashbacks
but i can’t say ive appreciated any of the twists in the previous films and will likely feel the same about whatever they have waiting in this one
October 10th, 2007 at 11:07 am
lol its not his twin by the way : P
October 10th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
Besides seeing his corpse and hearing his voice on a tape, we’re not going to see/hear “Jigsaw” outside of flashbacks.
I think that having his wife carry on his work would be predictable and kind of lame.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:33 am
jigsaw clearly died in the last movie. lets be honest here. jigsaw coming back from the dead would be the true lame thing here. and yea. look it up saw 3 spoliers, or any other movie synopsis web sites, says jigsaws ex-wife carries it on.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
Ughh disappointing.
October 15th, 2007 at 8:38 pm
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October 18th, 2007 at 5:21 pm
I have to agree with… Nick… When he said “I think that having his wife carry on his work would be predictable and kind of lame”. I was thinking about this earlyer… other possable people that could take over for John/Jigsaw not that he is dead.
1. Dr. Gordon
2. Detective Matthews son… Danial
3. John/Jigsaw’s Wife
4. Dr. Gordon’s Wife… Alison
5. Detective David Tapp
6. Jeff
7. Detective Hoffman
8. Rigg
9. John/Jigsaw has a son or a twin (Which to me would seem kinda stupid if they did that)
8 MORE DAYS!!! :)
October 18th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
I have a feeling Gordon will be back.
We shall see!
October 19th, 2007 at 6:48 am
I forgot to put on the list Adam, you never see him actually die. You do see Amanda put the bag over his head to try and kill him. Remember in the bigging of… SAW 3… when Detective Matthews was looking around with his flashlight and he first sees Adam’s skeleton and then when he sees Dr. Gordon’s foot you would think it would be a skeleton like Adam’s body, but it isn’t. I think that Adam is still alive and Dr. Gordon and Adam are working together.
Last night I watched… SAW 1… and I think that all the people he did the traps to except for the fat guy and the guy that got burned to death. I think he was testing all the people who could take over for him once he died. I think he choice Amanda because Amanda would be the last person you would think to be the next Jigsaw.
Amanda might be John/Jigsaw’s daughter and she doesn’t know it. Maybe thats whats in the onvalop. That might be another reason why he picked her.
What about Obi. I know he is not the next Jigsaw, but why would they have him in John/Jigsaw’s flashback?
7 MORE DAY!!! :)
October 20th, 2007 at 5:41 am
I keep thinking, and have thought for a while, that Dr Gordon has to pop up again at some point; we never found out what happened to him. Maybe he was helping Jigsaw and Amanda? I don’t think Adam will return because we saw his body in Saw 2, half decomposed. Shame though, cos that would have been cool!
October 20th, 2007 at 6:05 am
I did not know what spoiler means (English isn’t my mother tongue indeed): but now i will never forget!
spoiler = spoil your movie by telling the end :-(
too bad! i want to cry … :’(
Damned i should have learned English better…
October 20th, 2007 at 7:08 am
I watch SAW 2 last night and I was wrong about Adam’s body being more half decomposed then Dr. Gordon’s foot, they look the same. If it’s not Dr. Gordon or Adam, I really do think it will be Detective Matthews son… Danial. I’ve also allways wondered how he setup some of the trapes, for example the guy in the cross looking thing that twisted his armes and legs around. John/Jigsaw could hardly walk and I know Amanda couldn’t do it herself. So there must be 1 or 2 other people.
Todd
October 20th, 2007 at 7:18 am
Hmmm, good point Todd. The sheer quantity and sometimes style of some of the traps would have required more strength and energey than they even both had combined, so that would suggest they were getting help from somewhere else. There must be more to Jigsaw’s background than we know yet - obviously his wife is going to play a part in the next movie. Aaarrgh! I really want to see Dr Gordon come back! I’ll be so disappointed if the series ends and we never see him again. Just think - Amanda was the only other one to get out alive and she was grateful to Jigsaw; maybe Lawrence was the same?
October 20th, 2007 at 7:51 am
I’m am SOOO f*^#ing excided for SAW 4. Whats cool about this site and other sites like this is talking about SAW. No one I know likes SAW.
October 20th, 2007 at 7:55 am
I was looking at the “spoiler” picture and his wife looks like a bitch. lol
October 20th, 2007 at 9:25 am
I know what you mean about no one really caring about Saw.
All my friends think I’m ridiculous because I’m so obsessed with it, haha.
Viva la Gordon.
October 20th, 2007 at 11:05 am
My sister thinks the samething… she thinks I’m obsessed with it.:)
I have a countdown going on my MySpace page… 5 day, 9 hours and 54 minutes.
October 20th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
As much as I love Jigsaw I have to admit that I’m getting bored with the same old crap. Cody said that Tobin Bell has signed a 5 year contract to make 6 films, that is absolutely rediculous, 3 would have been enough. I’d be surprised if this film makes a lot of money, because everyone is so sick of it.
October 21st, 2007 at 1:01 am
amanda is cecils daughter watch clinic trailer and cecils knives trailer jigsaw saught her out when he killed[sorry allowed]cecil to kill himself as payback for his child
October 21st, 2007 at 1:03 am
amanda is cecils daughter watch clinic trailer and cecils knives trailer jigsaw saught her out when he killed[sorry allowed]cecil to kill himself as payback for his child……..on a side note DR. GORDEN for president in 08 hes got dedication ….well just one foot two
October 21st, 2007 at 1:05 am
i know i know *GORDON sorry im typing on a WII
October 21st, 2007 at 9:34 am
Who’s Celic?
October 21st, 2007 at 12:18 pm
sorry cecil, again i have WII dislexia
October 21st, 2007 at 12:21 pm
toddm cecil seems to be johns first victim in the games of jigsaw watch CECILS KNIVES video on youtube
October 21st, 2007 at 1:43 pm
just a educated guess to the bigger puzzle this all ties into
October 21st, 2007 at 3:03 pm
Davido… for some reason the sound on my computer wont work. what do they say in the clip with John and Cecils?
October 21st, 2007 at 4:10 pm
jigsaw gives his speech to cecil you did this you didnt do that he ends with live or die cecil your choice its mainly the same thing that is on most victims recorders but the fact that he says it to cecil in person is the signifigance i think. 0h, john also tells cecil how to get out of the trap ‘push your face against the blades push hard cecil to remove your restraints that bind you’ not a direct quote but close enuf
October 21st, 2007 at 4:13 pm
if you watch the clinic trailer the audio isnt really important but youll see why i think johns games start with cecil
October 22nd, 2007 at 11:48 am
what do you mean when he said to cecil “you did this you didnt do that”?
October 22nd, 2007 at 12:43 pm
you know the typical jigsaw recorder speech telling the victim why they have been tested
October 22nd, 2007 at 1:21 pm
I think Amanda is John and his ex-wife Jill daughter. In the first SAW when he said to Amanda “ you don’t know me… but I know youâ€. I think when John and Jill broke up Amanda was a baby so, she didn’t know who her father is.
October 22nd, 2007 at 1:26 pm
dude cecil slams a door in jills stomach and you he a crunch cecil killed johns only unborn child john takes amanda as an apprentice and becomes the father she never had…saw2.now in saw 1 when hes says i know you means hes has been watching her and all other victims he says that to
October 22nd, 2007 at 3:15 pm
What ever happend to Jeff, why dont they talk about him?
October 22nd, 2007 at 3:37 pm
jeff from saw or saw 3?
October 22nd, 2007 at 4:17 pm
SAW 3
October 22nd, 2007 at 4:56 pm
dont know but hes got to get out of that room somehow cuz jigsaws body is on the autopsy table
October 22nd, 2007 at 5:28 pm
That younger looking girl you see screeming in one of the SAW 4 Trailers… I was thinking maybe that might be Dr. Gordon’s daughter.
October 22nd, 2007 at 8:51 pm
thats the chick who gets scalped right,blonde hair in a chair
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:48 am
No… the one that was screming in the window. Look up one of the SAW 4 Trailers on google… you’ll see what girl I mean.
October 23rd, 2007 at 12:29 pm
pretty sure thats jill in the foyeur right after cecil broke in ….blonde hair pulled back got a jacket on
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:37 pm
i love saw …. shawnee smith should come back. and tobin
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:50 pm
I am a huge Saw fan, but I have never commented on any forum before. But…from the look of the picture above it seems that it is obvious that at least THAT part is “prequel”. It seems as if she is telling him that he is obsessed about whatever it is that he is doing, whether or not she knows what it is….Maybe he is trying to figure out EXACTLY how he survived the crash(I saw a ruler in the background, or whatever that thing is called )If it is prequel, it would make for an okay storyline. He survived and he needs to know why…I don’t know. Maybe she’s telling him to let it go. I know it sounds stupid.lol.
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:52 pm
Also, if you want to know who’s in the film…Just go to IMBD. It tells you everyone who is in the film.
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:58 pm
No they said it wasn’t a prequel but shes holding a picture of someone and shes saying like look and shes trying to tell him something. Or maybe she is arguing with him! I can’t wait to see what jigsaw has up his sleeve this time!
October 23rd, 2007 at 7:27 pm
That’s what I am saying! Unless he has a twin as others have said then this particular part is a prequel. Is he dead in the beginning of Saw 4?
October 24th, 2007 at 1:18 am
yes the opening seen is the autopsy according to tobin
October 24th, 2007 at 1:23 am
but just because we know how he died doesnt mean we know how he lived …..anything with john in it alive will be a flashback
October 24th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
Can i just say after reading these spoilers, with them saying Dr Gordon could be helping as they needed extra strengh to set certain traps for example the cross one. Why would it be Dr Gordon????? whilst these were going on its not that much of a gap inbetween the films, Dr Gordons foot/leg would still be healing- meaning he wouldn’t have the strengh!
However- would be interesting if it was him- what motif would a doctor have to do this? even tho John’s motif was to fix people!!
With all these implications i really could never believe Dr Gordon would ever be involved. Although i do contracdict myself, it would be majorly important and invoking to see the return of Dr Gordon!
Also from watching the clips of the film- the clip released with the 2 men and the machine- there is definatly a new person because of how different it is. if you look at saw 1 and 2 they have a certain simalarity with them, saw3 was with the help and design of Amanda, this is shown with the nudity of the woman in the ice water thing. With Saw 4 they seem to original to be John’s or Amanda’s. my bet is that this one might have a mix of the past and present, with these tests being experiments befor the game actually began…..
Also one of the men escape- could he be continuing the work?
Also in the trailer ,the blonde woman implicated in pictures as John’s wife, is seen screaming with her being chained up! Why would she be the one continuing with the work of John, have we thought she could have been the founder??? John then felt after she commited something she needed to be tested???
Guess we all have to wait till friday (im seeing it saturday) to find out what could possibly new happen with the Saw legacy!!!!!
October 24th, 2007 at 7:14 pm
Omg freakn saw 4 needs to come out.wel i was watchn that trailer n i was jus curios…does neone know how that face in blades trap wurk ?
October 24th, 2007 at 11:04 pm
yep cecil is restrained in a chair with what appears to be blades sticking into both his hands and feet in order to release the blades and restraints he must push his face into the blades with enuf pressure kinda like a leg press you gotta push so hard to lift the weight hell i would surprised if it wasnt some kind rigged leg press
October 25th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
The only way I think Dr. Gordon could help is surgery things, for example in SAW 2 putting the key behind Mike’s eye.
October 25th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
If you look on Google for some of the SAW 4 pictures, there’s a picture of Detective Matthews being dragged into or out of a room. Remember when John said to Amanda “I cleaned up your mess”. Maybe the new Jigsaw (if there is going to be a new one) helped Detective Matthews out of the house.
October 25th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
This will be my last comment… hope everyone likes SAW 4… I know I will:)
Todd
P.S. I don’t think there will be a new jigsaw.
October 25th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
What if the cancer patient in the first 3 movies, wasn’t really John at all and just a man that had cancer that John picked out to play a game. He could have found a man with cancer, and got a doctor to do plastic surgery on him, to make him look like John. When in reality John is just a healthy crazy/twisted serial killer. Therefore the REAL John is shown in the fourth film, and thats why he looks healthy.
October 25th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
MOIVE SPOILER!!!!!! STOP READING IF U DONT WANT TO KNOW!!!!!
Saw 4 is played out in the same timeline as saw 3.Detective Riggs game is played out while jeff is playing his game. It all comes together at the end. So technically Jigsaw is still alive in this movie.
October 26th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
I just saw the movie. You guys who think Jigsaw is still alive are stupid. He’s dead for real, it proves it in the 4th one. All those pictures are flashbacks. JIGSAW is dead……long live the new Jigsaw(Detective Hoffman)!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 26th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Dectective Hoffman isnt the new jigsaw… jigsaw played him like a punk as stated in tape at the end
October 26th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
O wel whoever gave me the info on the face blade trap thanks.im suposd to b goin watch it sumtime this week.i thnk itl b prety good.despite the neverending prequels the movies have been makn a hel of alot of money n i thnk itl continue til 6 wen the whole things suposd to end.who knos.but wel see
October 26th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
I just got back from watching and I’m a little lost. From my understanding Saw 3 and Saw 4 were happening at the same time if you look at the ending? As the bodies seemed to just have been killed from saw 3? I guess i’m lost on the whole thing and need to watch again. Begining of 4 it shows Jigsaw in the autopsy room, then at the shows him on the table still from the end of saw 3 right before the FBI agent gets locked in there. So one was a fake jigsaw? I’m so damn confused and I know I have to missing something huge.
October 26th, 2007 at 9:56 pm
The whole entire movie was a flashback of everything Hoffman did during the time that Saw 3 occurred. Saw 3 and 4 were happening at the same time.
I won’t be surprised if they pull something like this for no. 5.
I was kind of disappointed with this one. It seems less appealing than the previous three for some reason. I didn’t feel a real connection with most of the characters and I think the traps just sucked for the most part.
Just more questions that I don’t particularly feel the need to know the answers to. Whatever, the first three were good at least!
October 26th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
Just to help you guys out if you all are still lost, it was all a flashback. The detective gets the tape out of the dead Jigsaw, and listens to it. Then it flashes back to everything that happened and all the traps and ppl dying etc etc. Then it goes back to the autopsy room, where the movie started off. In the beginning, the tape tells him the game isn’t over, and then at the end of the movie it basically says that the detective is going to be the new saw.
October 27th, 2007 at 12:08 am
dude the second pic is a flashback
but the first one is a box with broken glass in it
he unvails it in the flashback but it doesnt show how it works
October 27th, 2007 at 12:14 am
Okay…first of all. Dont waste your money on seeing saw 4…
dont get me wrong, i love the movies…but there were too many loose ends…the ending was too predictable, and those pics above, its all a flashback…. his wife is accused of carrying out his plan after he dies, but it ends up being the cop. The timelines dont add up, there is a very odd opening scene of tobin bell naked, and somehow donnie walhlberg lived for 6 months to be in the 4th one…only to die when blocks of ice smash his head. i wish i could stress how much of a disappointment this movie was.
October 27th, 2007 at 1:49 am
-SPOILER-
Saw 4 does take place the same time as Saw 3 only from a seperate perspective. The opening of the movie is actually the ending of Saw 4 / beginning of Saw 5. There is only one body of Tobin Bell just at two different times frames. The actual ending of Saw 4 (which they show at the very beginning) is basically the Detective finding the new tape and realizing that “It’s not over”.
Pay no mind to the harsh comments on this thread. Go see Saw 4 and find out for yourself if it’s a waste of time. They are making six films whether or not you choose to go and see this movie.
October 27th, 2007 at 6:21 am
This movie was good. Basically everyone is right and the movie happens during the same time line as SAW 3. And it is not hard to realize that Matthews could survive six months and die in the end because he never learned his lesson. They made it really confusing with the opening being the ending to the movie, but then again, how would Jigsaw know that the Hoffeman would be the one to listen to it. I must give credit to the writers because they knew what they where doing with the people who knew the original jigsaw all where getting killed off.
Yes there is going to be a fifth movie next halloween because there are three people that are not accountable for if they are living or dead. You have Jeff’s little girl who we now know that Hoffeman knows where she is because of the teddy bear. Rigg’s wife and whether she actual got to her mothers or the new jigsaw got her. Then you have the female FBI agent, who we last see alive and being taken to the hospital.
I have read that SAW 5 starts production at the beginning of the year, with its release following the other four. SAW 6 will follow seeing as they said they will be going up to atleast six and I see it following the movies of the past like HALLOWEEN, FRIDAY THE 13TH, AND NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET.
And to all deciding if they will actually see it, please do because the only way that you can know for sure if it is good is to see it for yourself.
October 27th, 2007 at 10:27 pm
Well you are kind of right. The FBI agents storyline happens during the Saw 3 timeline. The storyline with Rigg is correct as the “new” Saw4 timeline. They make you think they are both happening simultaneously in the Saw4 timeline. It was the most open-ended sequel, by far. Basically 6 survivors: the 2 FBI agents, Rigg and his wife, Bell’s ex and Hoffman. I think it could have been executed better, but heck I’ve watched four so far, I might as well ride it out.
October 28th, 2007 at 5:52 am
okay i watched saw 4 last night…….saw 3 and saw 4 are happening at the same time……….and no Amanda is Not john’s daughter. John and his EX WIFE (jill, the lady at the top) were supposed to have a son, but one of her medical patients killed her baby accidently by slamming the door into her stomach. This medical patient was actually his first victim who survived but then accidently fell into the raze wire trap.
I was actually really dissapointed by saw 4…i was expecting something more than what i saw. I was expecting to see Dr. Gordon from the 1st movie and jeffs daughter. I didnt like how once it showed Jeff he died right away.I HOPE TO SEE THEM IN THE 5TH!
October 28th, 2007 at 5:58 am
I agree with sam and hannah….the movie was disspointing dont waste your time on this one
October 28th, 2007 at 11:02 am
It was a great movie…matter of fact it was so great, it inspired people to pretend that they hate it and post horrible reviews on this thread….stop being haters…it was a fantastic movie
October 28th, 2007 at 11:59 am
I kinda understood the film after watching it although my husband thinks there was something weird happening and really confused me, the bit i didnt get was how come they got jigsaws body outta that room for him to be in the mortuary if the detective guy was locked in there too (what happened to him)?
November 5th, 2007 at 8:53 am
Ok- I am still confused too. I dont remember Det. Hoffman being in any of the other Saw movies…how did he end up being the next jigsaw?? By him listening to that tape (”Its not over”), it was like he didnt want to be involved but had no choice…..but why him?
***Also, whats the deal with the lawyer? He survived in one of the opening scenes by killing the man who lost his eyes by getting the key to unlock himself…but what was up with the weird look between him and Det. Hoffman when he was keeping Matthews from jumping off the block of ice? Did the lawyer know at that point that Hoffman was involved??
November 5th, 2007 at 10:54 am
Ok, I though saw 4 left a lot of questions unanswered. I finished watching the 3rd one just relate it…When the detective was locked in the room w jig saws body…he shot jeff but who was the woman w the trap around her neck that came out w bulginh eyes? It definately wasn’t jeff’s wife who performed jigjaw’s operation ’cause @ saw 3’s ending you saw her face blown up. So that was confusing ’cause we weren’t introduced to her. The fact that jeff says “where is my daughter?” to the detective proves that the scene was concurrent w saw 3. Jigsaw is still seen in the room so it was before the autopsy shot. Det. Hoffman being tested was obvious because of the clues when he tells rigg “go home” “let it go” riggs wife says “you can’t save everybody” going along w sometimes people need to save themselves. Rigg was portrayed as being tested/trained to be the next jigsaw but it was more like a game between the lawyer (or principal I dunno know ’cause characters looked alike) and Rigg. Because the guy holding release button is similar to amanda’s role in saw 3 where she was watching the monitors etc. But then again I guess Hoffman can be viewed as replacing jig saw’s role (he knew hoffman was involved because of the long stare w get between the 2 and when the guy is so hard on trying to save hoffmans life) What threw it off was when the monitor showed both Rigg and the other detective …and they were tryna figure out who was going to make it thru the door 1st. Argh, I know saw 5 is going to be a prequel to saw 4 or @ least its going to explain missing links to it. The setup of the rods going thru the man and wife in the school definately looks like it had to be constructed by someone who knew their anatomy (like a Doctor in this case dr. Gordon who I highly doubt or jigsaws xwife, who acted shady throughout.) There is definately a weird theme w the pig masks. The cover shows the pig mask w heels but yet in the 4th movie you see the chic with the hair pulling trap also in the same image depicted. Some of the victims were unknown to us but there has to be some relationship. Hence why the 1 man was “blind” and the other unable to speak. Makes me wonder what would’ve happened if rigg didn’t open the door? Guess we will have to wait until the 5th and 6th ones to come out.
November 5th, 2007 at 11:46 am
Ok. Its obvious the beginning autopsy is what happens @ the end of saw 4 because we see det. Strahm (w/ever) locked in w johns body. Ok, so the lawyer guy (is he same as the principal in the school the same as johns friend planning to build a building? They all look alike). There has to be a reason why the 1 man is “blind” and the other unable to speak. Makes me think that in the next one rigg might be “blind” or not able to speak since he’s the only 1 who knows hoffman was behind it. Ok, so The lawyer dude plays the same role amanda did in the 3rd (watching monitors etc). The monitor shows rigg & the det. Strham tho doesn’t it? So the time frame is unknown. There were clues throughout movies that hoffmann was it such as the “go home” riggs wife “you can’t save everybody” the doll hoffman says isn’t for his daughter. So I thought the lawyer dude knew bout hoffmans role when they had the long stare and it was known when lawyer was tryna save hoffmans so bad (by not letting the ice block guy slip). It was confusing tho when he took his jacket off & he had a device on him too. So the guy that was in electric chair was matthews and not hoffman? I thought it was hoffman because even after the ice killed the guy his chair sank in water & nothing happened showing that he might’ve known bout the traps perhaps ’cause he did them. So was it a test between rigg and the det. In chair? There was a scene in 4th one where they show hoffman on the phone and you see a pig mask in background then they jump to next scene. Was that not hoffman and matthews instead? The characters weren’t related such as the girl in the hair trap. The blind man in the trap. I guess it’ll be explained in the next one. The wife was acting all shady during interrogation made me think she really had a part in it. Ok, I am sure others notice it too, det. Straham shoots jeff (after he asked where is my daughter) I know that scene was concurrent w saw 3 ending. But who is the chic that comes out w device round her neck and eyes bulging out? It was definately not jeffs wife ’cause she died @ end of 3rd. Hm, there was a woman in the same room. So the det. Is locked in room w jigjsaw. So who is the guy listening to the tape in the autopsy room. I thought that was Hoffman or is det. Straham? They look alike. Is it the man who got up from electric chair? Because it said “don’t think you can walk out the door without being tested”. Technically straham wasn’t tested yet. But wasn’t hoffman tested already when he was in the room w the guy who had the release button? What would’ve happened if rigg didn’t open the door. The trap w 6 rods going thru the couple in the school, had to be done by someone who had knowledge of anatomy (such a doc. Like johns xwife but highly doubt dr. Gordon). Where was amanda’s body? Why didn’t they show hers along w jigjaws since she was in same room…maybe they’ll show it in it 5th. ’cause she died too. In 3rd. Argh, I probably have to watch all of them over back to back to completely grasp the flow. Guess I’ll have to wait for 5th one for now…
November 5th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
Wow. Great sentence structure.
November 6th, 2007 at 1:06 pm
PEOPLE,
Do you not realize the above picture…the first picture on this page is a picture we havent seen happen yet. That is prob a spoiler picture for saw 5!! And i have no idea who that is. But we’ve seen the shards of glass in the box in saw 4 if you remember. I just thought Id point that out. No one has mentioned it here.
The only unanswered questions I have is who took Saws body to the autopsy room and what happens to the detective in the locked room? Don’t you find it strange that when he got locked in that room, hoffman didnt even seem to notice he was in there?
And also, don’t you find it strange that this detective(i dont remember his name) he seemed to know every answer throughout the movie (Blacklight to see on the wall, quick comebacks. He seemed to know everything but kept prying answers out of Jill anyway.
Im curious to know more about the Chinese Zodiac. The year of the Pig is the year their child was conceived or maybe supposed to be born. The chinese zodiac has a lot to do with time and numbers.
I still would like to know why the Lawyer is paired with the guy whos eyes were sown shut. And howcome that dude never got a tape? Who is he? Does he have more to do with the storyline?
And did Jill and mr. Lawyer have an affair or what?
November 8th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
the box trap in the photo doesnt appear in the movie. they took the photo off of the site. it is a great find that the box trap photo is here because its hard to find on the web
November 12th, 2007 at 11:50 am
so what exactly hapeends to gordan ive jus totaly missed that is he alive or dead i was told that in the 2 or 3 saw u can see his skeltin in the hallway some where and it does show how adam dies it shows it in th e3rd one amanda goes back and pputs a plastic bag over his head
November 14th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
here’s how i see it guys…
saw 3 and 4 ran alongside each other - obvious as we see Riggs, the FBI detective and Jeff(?) on the monitors.
As Riggs, FBI Guy and Jeff are walking round the warehouse(or whatever it is) you hear the gunshots of the shotgun necklace on the surgeon(from Saw 3). so that cements it for me that the time frame is the same.
The guy watchin the monitors(with the hat etc) is the dude from the school, and he is a lawyer, not a headmaster. He does all the legal shidazzle for John as he is/was his buddy.
Not quite sure why he got is mouth sewn up and then some wierd device on his back, but it DEFINATELY is him cos he got jabbed in the leg by the eyes guy at the start, and is limping round the room at the end (wasnt there a tape for him too. he’s holdin it at the end just as he gets shot by Riggs. His game is to stay alive until the timer runs out??)
The guy who is to be electricuted has a long stare with the hat guy cos he is the guy who lied to save Riggs’s ass after he punched the dude at the school, the one who beats up the wife and kid.. and they recognise each other at this moment.
The FBI agent in the room with John at the end (the locked in moment) is yet to be discovered, however i think the bad guy knows he is in there as why else would he lock the room, theres a lot of bodies hangin around anyway, why lock up 1 (John)?
I think the answer to that will be in 5. 5 might even start with the FBI guy in the room, he has a test to get out possibly?? But the FBI guy obviously doesnt have a happy ending as i think he would be on the scene gettin the tape out of John at the start/end if he were to be alive.
People still alive (from saw 4)- Bad cop, Riggs, FBI guy?, John’s ex, FBI Woman, Woman who had all the spikes through her in the classroom.
** Beginning to get a bit tired of this series, but i will watch the others. clever twists in it still obviously as i am here talking about it!!
Prediction for Saw 5? -
*FBI guy has a test to get out of the room (maybe, not sure if John could have predicted him being in there.. most likely though?!)
*Bad Cop has a load of tests (like Jeff (S3) and Riggs (S4), possibly ending up with something to do with Jeff’s Daughter?)
*JOHNS ACTUALLY ALIVE?!!!!!!!!! - ok maybe not =P
*****JUST HAD A THOUGHT!!!*********
If the time frames are the same (3 & 4 Simultaneous!?!) Why doesnt Amanda and the Surgeon woman in 3, know that the 3 guys are in the next room?!?!!!
Lots of shouting and all
this is crazy shizzle!!
November 17th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
Yeah Jigsaw died in the end of the movie…and they are making a SAW 5! I LOVE THE BLACK GUY THE COP!! wats his name?
November 21st, 2007 at 2:08 pm
Eric Matthews should not have died come on.
1. He smashed his ankle to pieces (Come on that most have hurt)
2. Could have just simply escaped by being quiet but he decided to carry on his search for his son.
3. Kicked in Amanda, lost the fight coz she cheated by hitting his ankle (cheap shot)
4. Was kept alive for 6 months with a busted foot and food which is hardly good looking.
5. Chained by the neck on his busted food on a block off ice for his mate to rescue him. (come on the man has been through more then enough) plus he still doesn’t know what happened to his son
I think the
December 1st, 2007 at 7:27 pm
man thats crazy i cant wait what do u think will happend in saw 5
December 5th, 2007 at 11:58 am
Do you think you will find out what happened between Matthews Escape from the infamous bathroom and when he was placed in Riggs test
Plus do u think u will find out what happened to Daniel Matthews in Saw V
December 5th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
geese i cant wait i think it will be the best yet
December 5th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
i hope so too
do u think the doc from saw 1 will reappear in the last movie saw 6
December 6th, 2007 at 8:02 pm
gaw idno i think he died in the first one cuase like if u look realy close in the 3rd and 2nd u can se a skeleton with one ankle gone so i dno i kinda hope so
December 7th, 2007 at 3:46 am
where abouts did u see the skeleton? plus doessn’t the picture on the top of the screen look a lot like zepp,
December 7th, 2007 at 11:17 am
kinda ish but in the hallway to the bathroom when they run through them look realy close and play in slomo tell me iff u see
December 7th, 2007 at 11:19 am
didbt zep die though
December 8th, 2007 at 2:25 am
like a scene before zeps game, a bit like how
art was used in Saw IV survives his game and pushed
into another.
u mentioned u saw a skeleton qhilst a scene in the hallway which film and when in the film
December 8th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
in saw 2 and 3 jus watch the hallways
December 10th, 2007 at 10:56 am
but u hae to look realy realy close use the slow motion seriously
December 10th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
can you tell me how long on the movie. exact time possibly check dvd player time when it happens.
what do u think should eric matthews survived?
December 14th, 2007 at 1:30 pm
i dno u realy just have to watch for it um gaww i hope he did he was a good person to have in it and that was such a bitch move amanda made kicking him in him foot gw i jus wanna cut her wrist for her lol
December 14th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
yeah it was a well cheap shot.
He should made it to the end.
Hopefully his son will make a re appearance
plus do you think the bathroom will be back
December 14th, 2007 at 6:41 pm
gaw i hope so the best sceences happen in there
December 28th, 2007 at 7:22 am
where is the little girl from saw 111
January 16th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Shelly… she is still in the room that John/Jigsaw had Amanda or Hoffman put her in. I read that in SAW 5 they tell you what happened to her.
January 16th, 2008 at 11:19 am
what else have3 u read
January 17th, 2008 at 8:50 am
They don’t say to much about SAW 5 since they just started filming it after the first of the new year. i read it somewhere i cant remember where… about jeff’s daughter.
mary do you have a myspace name?
January 26th, 2008 at 11:45 am
for those who don’t know… there will be a SAW video game.
January 26th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
yeah i its myspace.com/sexychoirchick
and omg are u sure like when does it come out
January 31st, 2008 at 6:47 am
mary protor… whats your display name? mine is L & P
my page has a couple saw videos on it.
February 3rd, 2008 at 8:19 am
What is the point of detective strahm being locked in the room with Jigsaw at the end??? Jigsaw’s body was obviously removed shortly after to have an autopsy done on it (Beginning of the movie). Remember Detective Strahm calling for backup before he enters the building at the end?? I’m sure the police came shortly thereafter and searched the whole building. I’m guessing thats how they found Jigsaw’s body. They would have also found detective strahm alive and well. This better be explained in the next saw, because if it implies in any way that stram died by getting locked in a room (for a very short period of time) then the writers did a horrible job. Am i missing something?
February 5th, 2008 at 11:44 am
hey mike, i hope i read your comment right. remember in the beginning with jigsaws autopsy, thats actually the end of the movie. Detective Strahm is obveosly alive because they found jigsaw’s body.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
what i dont get is why was det. hoffman doing all this in the first place??
he hadnt gotten the tape in jigsaws stomach untill the end so why was he behind all this from the start??
March 2nd, 2008 at 9:45 am
i wish amand would have lived she was my fave carector can anyone tell me if she did live or did jigsaw i only saw SAW3 2 and 1
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:19 pm
hi britni,
are you going to watch saw 4? if you are going to watch saw 4 then i cant tell you if she lives or dies.
i don’t check this forum that often. if you have any questions about saw 1, 2 or 3 go to http://www.myspace.com/darktwisted, that is my myspace page.
March 5th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
no i dont get it it makes no since so was the Cop at the end helping Jigsaw or another victim he said “game over” why? the tape he is playing from jigsaws stomach says its not over the cop was a victim not the other helper behind the murders that must be the back plot for the next movie .> Please someone shed some light i am confused and it is making me mad!!!!!!!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
hunter… yes the cop at the end of the movie was helping jigsaw. the beginning of the movie is actually the end.
i hope this answers your question.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:44 am
yeah so tht guy at the end is helping out but if the beginning is acculy the end how is he suposed to know to do tht if he doesnt find the tape till the end
March 13th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
well you just have to assume i guess that the tape he was holding were the instructions for saw 5 (whoo whoo) and yes todd thank you for posted it helped!!!
April 15th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Can someone please help me out here.
I do believe that it was either Detective Matthews or his son Danial Matthews.
Danial Matthews was the guy in SAW 2 right? The one inside the house, who bashed Amandas head against the wall (flashback from SAW 3).
Danial Matthews didnt die did he?
Neither did his father Detective Matthews?
In SAW 3, one of the very last scenes before Jigsaw died, was the man whos body got twisted. yes?
How could frail, old Jigsaw hoist him up there.
I hardly doubt Amanda would be strong enough.
So they would need an accompass.
Detective Matthews or Danial Matthews?
Somehow I dont reckon that it was Dr Lawrence Gordan.
Although it would make sense.
Also in SAW 4, in the scene were Detective Hoffman was on the block of ice and Detective Matthews was on the electric chair next to him. Who was the man dressed in black, who was helping them?
They both died right.
Leaving Detective Matthews to walk free.
Theres your answer.
July 20th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
no no no detective matthews was the guy on the ice block hoffman was the one in the chair hoffman was helping jigsaw