oh and nik the way u r talking is putting me in a state of mund that ur r somehow saying we r to blame, i dont beleive heath ledger searches the internet all day to find one negativecomment on himself, and would he kill himself over it, i think not, hes been getting hell for 3 years about the whole “brokeback mountain” thing so i think before u come on here and point elbows about who did what u should take somehappy pills and pretend to be heath as the joker and smile . . ..

“D, have u actually seen the film yet ? ? ?”

ohh well. . . anywho . . . “THE DARK KNIGHT” is due for release on the followingdates. On the 17th of july in America and 25th of july in the U.K . . .
so, is everyone else looking forward to the release . . .

right lets be fair here, has anyone here actually seen the film yet . . . i thought not,

yes i think that jack was a good joker and i think heath will be an okay one but to say that batman begins was amazing . . . that i dont agree with

so y dont we all try doing our greatest joker impressions and smile for minuites without everyone gravley assesing his portrayal as the joker when the film isnt even out yet . . .

The close-up pics of the Joker definitely look like someone or other gave him a “Soho Smile” (the delightful trick of gashing a person across the corners of the mouth with a knife or cut-throat razor.) Hints at a bloody, violent and traumatic past. Looks like he’s half hiding, half accentuating the gashes with his make-up.

The basement area where Batman has the Tumbler and Bat-pod and all the crime computer stuff does not have a “Bat Cave” quality but that’s not surprising as he’s most likely operating out of temporary accommodation while Wayne Manor is being rebuilt “brick by brick” after the last movie. As it would look kind of suspicious Bruce Wayne charging into a construction site and vanishing into a hole in the ground every time Batman is needed, he’s probably not using the actual Bat Cave and making do with one of his other properties to store/conceal his gear.

I seriously doubt Nolan would have Batman, after being alerted to the activities of the Joker, waiting a number of months for his mansion to be rebuilt and then build a hideous basement-style “Bat Cave” before going out to stop the madman. We’ll leave stupidity like that to Schumacher (”Holy End of Civilisation, Batman! Freeze and Bane are destroying Gotham!” “You’re right, Robin, the three of us must stop them - but first we’ll race back to the Bat Cave and change into our new matching silver-highlighted suits.” “You’re sooo right, Bruce, I’ve worn this black Batgirl outfit for an entire scene - it’s, like, sooooo ‘half-an-hour-ago’.”)

So I reckon the pics we see are his temporary digs until the mansion and the original Bat Cave (with upgraded access) are back in business.

Multiple people in bat suits - at least three impostors that I could see. Interesting. Will be good to see what happens there.

Some of the pics definitely show the old suit in use so the new suit will likely be developed on screen and presumably explained (as the original suit was) - at least they don’t just appear to be having him start the movie in a brand new outfit for no reason.

Great to see they still have the Tumbler and it hasn’t been mysteriously replaced between movies with an ever-lengthening phallic symbol as the previous two directors did.

For my money, the Tumbler’s the best Batmobile I’ve ever seen - lacks the overt bat styling (the bat is subtly there in the design) but it’s functional and at least explains why Batman would have a jet-powered vehicle.

Hard to tell from photos taken out of context but I’m wondering if the pics of the Joker in a holding cell and the interrogation room mean the Joker will be going up on trial and it will be he who throws acid into Dent’s face, rather than “Lucky Luciano” (I seem to recall) as in the comics. Just a guess.

None of us know, we’re looking at pictures released out of context and have no real idea of the script. It’s all speculation - but after BB I have faith in the new franchise.

I actually trust Nolan’s judgement. There are bound to be changes in details when crossing from a printed medium to film - anyone who does not realise this has absolutely no idea of how to write for either. In order for something to occur on film, it must be cinematically compelling, and often a direct translation from the printed medium just does not work.

They tried the “fell in a vat of chemicals” routine in Burton’s Batman and it’s debatable whether that “worked”. I found it rather badly executed.

Nolan will have an origin story mapped out for the Joker that will no doubt bring in the important element: it will be traumatic enough to unhinge him. I have not seen the photos as Cam’s prediction came true but someone here mentioned scars and that it looks like his lips were slashed. It’s a reasonable bet that in Nolan’s adaptation the scarring/disfiguring and the circumstances surrounding it drove him over “the edge” and made him into the sort of person that could realistically become the Joker - just as BB, for me, realistically explained how someone could become Batman and why “Commissioner Gordon” would trust a masked vigilante whose identity he does not know (by establishing that their history and trust goes back to the time before he became Commissioner, he’s still on his way up the ranks. Loeb wants Batman in a cell, Gordon is learning that Batman can be trusted.)

I am impressed enough by Nolan and Bale’s work in BB to have faith that the Joker story will be believable and cinematically compelling - even if it does not adhere to the letter of the original comic books.

I also have enough faith in Ledger’s acting to believe he could do a great job of the role. The voice and laugh in the teaser show great promise and the few photos I’ve seen of the Joker so far also look promising - he looks savage and unhinged.

Although I like Jack Nicholson’s acting and a lot of the roles he’s played, he was no Joker. Too old, too fat, too buffoonish and a combination of a crappy script and crappier directing (stick to weird arty movies and Roald Dahl stories, Burton!) I won’t even go near commenting on a pistol, capable of blowing an armoured batplane out of the sky, that has a ludicrously long barrel which telescopes down to a more manageable length when required - I’m likely to explode.

I’m glad WB finally decided to forget the previous four movies and start afresh with BB - it has meant that Nolan was able to start with a clean slate and treat the subject with the respect it deserves rather than try to salvage the mess Burton and Schumacher left behind. It also allows for an edgier, more dangerous, more psychotic (and younger and thinner) Joker to be portrayed, despite Burton killing off the character.

Looking forward to seeing the movie. Batman interrogating the Joker in a police interrogation room? Sounds like Gordon’s been naughty… what will Commissioner Loeb say if he finds out?

‘jack is the only joker!! he was perfect!!’ clearly you’ve never read a Batman comic featuring the Joker in your entire life. Because I’ve read many, and I’m not exactly sure what Nicholson was playing but I can tell you that he wasn’t playing the Joker.