Okay, so we knew that SAW 5 was being prepped for a possible Halloween 2009 release. But like the last few releases, we thought that all depended on the success of the current release (ie the studio gives the official greenlight after the opening weekend). Apparently not. Lionsgate has already signed a director for both SAW 5 and SAW 6. No, it won’t be Darren Lynn Bousman, AGAIN. I think he has some work on that Repo musical.
According to our friends at FirstShowing, Lionsgate signed David Hackl, who was the production designer for SAW 2, SAW 3, and SAW 4. Actually, Hackle was even in talks to helm SAW 4 but the studio decided to bring Bousman back instead. Hackle did some second unit directing on the last two SAW films, and the studio thinks he’s ready for the big time. We’ll see.
October 24th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
if saw IV is out, why is there news evey where saying saw 5 & saw6 are coimg out with saw IV?
ANSWER ME!
October 27th, 2007 at 6:57 am
hello, im a huge fan of the saw movies. and I know that you guys have to bring back DR. Gordon. just seeing saw 4 everybody from the previous movies are dead except DR. Gordon and I remember in the first SAW he looked at Adam and said ” I’ll be back I promise”. then he crawled out of the room. I wouls loved to get some feedback on this. cause I’ve been telling all my freinds since the first one that he will be back!!!!!!!!!!!
October 27th, 2007 at 10:28 am
DR. Gordon will not be in anymore saw movies because he had lost to much blood with he sawed off his foot. in saw 4 detective mattews is back or how ever you spell his name but he gets he’s head crushed by to blocks of ice a second before he can leave. but you see dr. gordon in the hallway in saw 3 on the ground. he is dead and adam you see he is dead also so none of the people from saw 1 is going to be in anymore saws but jigsaw and those are only flash backs i saw saw 4 yay
October 27th, 2007 at 11:03 am
i bet danny glover comes back
October 27th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
yea, danny glover.
October 27th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
who is danny glover? i can not remember and i saw saw, saw 2, and saw 3 a million times and saw 4. that one was good.
October 28th, 2007 at 10:29 am
To Branman:
Danny Glover was in the first saw movie. He was one of the original detectives investigating the case. I haven’t seen that movie since it came out in theaters but I’m pretty sure he died in the first one (There are WAY too many characters/detectives from the past movies for me to remember them all, lol). I forgot he was even in it until recently, I thought he did a good job playing the character, I just never would have expected him to be casted.
October 28th, 2007 at 10:33 am
A few characters I have a feeling will be in the upcoming saw sequels:
1. That huge buff guy at the begining of Saw IV that has his eyes sewn
2. The prostitute that comes up to jigsaw while he is parked in front of the clinic waiting for his wife to finish closing and locking up.
I don’t know why, but I just have a hunch that the stories will expand around those two characters. Maybe its because almost every person they show has some sort of backstory that gets explained through flashbacks later on. Especially the prostitute because jigsaw gives her some sort of advice like “your a pretty girl, you shouldn’t be doing this” or something like that. It will be interesting to see what happens.
October 28th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
I don’t think those two characters will come back because 1. the big guy with his eyes sewn was beaten to death by Art Blanc for the key on his neck, and 2. the prostitute that came up to jigsaw in his car was addison, the girl who put her hands in the iron bade trap in saw II in the house to get the antidote where she could put her hands in but not pull them out bc she got them cut depeer the more she tried to pull.
October 28th, 2007 at 10:50 pm
Dont forget people! Danny Glover died on SAW frist!!!
October 29th, 2007 at 7:39 am
To: Kyle
The prostitute from saw 4 is in saw 2. She is the girl in saw 2 with the pink top on.
October 29th, 2007 at 9:06 am
Oh ok, after watching it I thought she was familiar.
October 29th, 2007 at 2:49 pm
Does anyone know where Casting is and the location ?
October 29th, 2007 at 4:40 pm
If all you guys paid close attention to the movie it just went back in time to tell us how everything started from the beginning. It’s like the Star Wars sequels (Episodes 1,2,3). The Detective will be back also Rigg’s wife is still missing they left that a mystery. ALso the FBI agent was closed in the freezer with Jigsaw at the end of SAW 3 if you seen SAW 4 and in the beginning of SAW 4 Jigsaw is laying on the morgue table so that leaves the FBI Agent alive and elgible for the next SAW and don’t forget about Ms. Tuck, Jigsaw ex-wife. Plus Jigsaw said in the tape they cut out his stomach “Detective if you are listening t o this don’t think the games are over because I’m dead they’re just beginning” After that the movie goes back in time if you are paying close attention. Detective Kerry was killed in SAW 3. That’s why I said thaat these next 2 will actually bring us right into SAW 1.
October 29th, 2007 at 6:46 pm
what the fuck is with the story line the whole movie plays out because of that tape in jigsaws stomach but at the end his body is still in the room from the third one when the fbi agent goes in there and the only reason he is at the meat packing factory is following rigg and rigg is following the instructions starting with that tape at the start can some body say some thing to make it make sense
October 30th, 2007 at 1:35 am
Jigsaw is dead and all this will not go back to saw one SAW FANATIC
October 30th, 2007 at 12:04 pm
To: Saw Freak
I never said Jigsaw was alive. If you so much a Saw Freak then you would kno that SAW 4 had a parts of the previous 3 in it. The games for Detective Hoffman wil begin in SAW 5. SAW 4 is just letting us know why Detective Hoffman will be the new Jigsaw sidekick. How do you think Jigsaw knew so much about everybody he had to play a game. The man had Detective Hoffman as a source. Hoffman is the only person that we don’t know about. His reason for playing the game will be revealed in the next SAW.
October 30th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
SAW5 BITCHES!!!!
October 31st, 2007 at 11:05 am
To:everyone
Saw fanatic is making the most sence so id be listening to what he says also if u have like internet where u can get into files from movie documents RARE only 120 computers like that i have one i got into the saw 5 documents seeing a sneak peek looks pretty good so far =P…
November 1st, 2007 at 9:07 am
omg if they do saw 5 and 6 its shit, check the holloween it got borin after about 4, they should wait a few years first. what the fuk is the producer thinkg ov, if it happens there gna b sorry they brough them out 2 early.
November 1st, 2007 at 9:57 am
Where and what the hell is going on with Amanda Young? No death confirmation yet.. It looks like she’s dead but like I said it hasn’t been confirmed. If she’s gone for good it’s going to put a damper on the popularity of the new movies. Saw IV was already a bit less than tolerable due to the fact that too many new roles were assigned to too many new characters. I just pray for the sake of the legacy that they at least bring Amanda back or find a suitable replacement for her which would be hard to match because before SAW IV Amanda Young was the real face of the word SAW. If she is dead for good I won’t be able to understand why they killed off their bread winner and began over. The new guy behind the face of Jigsaw, Detective whatever his name was just doesn’t have the disturbed composure that John and Amanda carried and it’s depressing to see my favorite movie series go south due to someone not being able to hack the psycho role that was presented in the first 3 movies. SAW IV was a bit of a let down and it should have been SAW 1 so that we could have gotten the drama out of the way early. It’s turned from a horror suspense film into a soap opera. John went from a cold blooded unrelenting master of teachings to a guy you feel bad for and want to give a big hug to and tell him it’s going to be alright. I watched the first 3 movies back to back over and over and I really have no desire to see the 4th movie any more than the two times I’ve already seen it. Please if you have any good news about the future of the best movie series ever, enlighten me. I don’t really want to see all the hard work thats been put into this creation go down hill due to someone not having a clue how to progress a story that used to give me chills.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:21 pm
OK. first things first.
If your a saw fan and are complaining about Saw IV. your not a Saw fan at all. If you don’t like it, don’t watch the next ones to come out… End of story. stop having a sook.. the movies not a let down.. YOUR A LET DOWN.
anyway..
The beginning of Saw IV is now the set up to begin Saw 5!
the movie began Jigsaw laying on the morgue table where his stomach was cut open and a tape was found. The movie then went BACK to all other aspects like the husband of the nurse that died because of amanda and jigsaws body still being in the room with allt the bodies (where he then consumed the tape).NOTE: saw IV is only supose to be 4 days from saw III when detective Kerry died. The beginning of saw IV in reality is in actual fact then end of saw IV. Thats how the detective walked away from the electric chair un harmed and then that let to the morgue scene!! get it?? got it???? GOOD
All saws and confussing movies, however they all come together in the end. If you watch the movie closey you will realise that.
i can honestly saw i cannot wait for more saw movies to come out!!
bring it on!!!! =)
November 1st, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Dear Mr. Jiggy.
How old are you? 12? I didn’t post a question to be ridiculed but to seek an answer. Obviously that is too complicated for the mentality of the likes of yourself. I thought this was a “Hate Free” Bulliten board. Then Why the insults? I am a true SAW fan and I actually worked on the set of SAW 2 and 3. Maybe it was more of a let down because I wasn’t there for this one but what ever. I will not throw insults back at you because you can’t even handle answering simple questions. Theres a term for that… OCD. You have no bearings on your information you give nor do you even have a clue as to whats to come but I do. I have spoken with Shawnee Smith and I can answer my own questions but I wanted to see just how much information this page really offered. You honestly have no clue do you? Where exactly do you gather your information from? Obviously from the depths of your vivid imagination. The only people who actually know whats going to happen are people such as myself that have rock hard evidence that comes directly from the source. The producers and characters from the movies. Now if you have any questions that honestly need the attention of a reliable source I will be glad to answer them for you. In the future try to keep the negative energy to yourself and stop shedding it upon “Strangers”.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:10 pm
its Miss thank you.
and no i am not 12 =)
i didnt come on here to answer any questions i came to share my point of view… and that is what i did.
if also didnt ask for yout life story.
maybe you should relax because i never addressed anything i wrote to you.
if you think your special because you worked on the set maybe you attitude is the reason your not on it anymore =P
November 1st, 2007 at 6:13 pm
soul collector is lame.
November 2nd, 2007 at 4:00 am
agreed
November 2nd, 2007 at 3:44 pm
i’m from greece and my english is a little bad. but i want to say:”saw is perfect movie!!!!! saw 1 2 & 3 i like very much.saw 4 i don’t like very much but this is not end. to saw 5 & 6 we lurn how “work” together jigsaw and detective. i believe jigsaw trap detective ine the begin and he is help him. or the detective find jigsaw and he is not arrested him but they deal to work together and detective want from jigsaw to help him to trap detective mathius and all off this people’s who them job is detective. jigsaw help detective with his brain and traps and detective help jigsaw with his information for everybody. to saw 5 & 6 we learn how begin this one. and i believe the movie will be perfect”
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:48 pm
whoever said that Amanda young is the face of saw is nuts. Amanda sucked dude! i was so happy when that psycho junkie b@tch died. She set up traps that were inescapeable And she was a weak human being. shes the definition of a person who doesnt appreciate her life, type of person john’s targetting. I hated her character & hope shes gone For good, except to explain what was in her letter from 3. I personally hope dr gordon returns & he will in part 6. His last words “I’ll be Back i promise”
November 3rd, 2007 at 8:58 am
saws suck
November 3rd, 2007 at 9:05 am
should i spend my time seeing saw 4?
November 3rd, 2007 at 12:39 pm
saw four is definently worth seeing, though the ending is complicated it will all make sense once you really think about it or watch it a second time.
i was a bit upset about the fact that jeff died just like that and we didn’t find out what would happen to his daughter. also, i wish dectective mathews had more lines. hahaha
the opening scene of saw 4 (autopsy) was actually after the events in the movie . once i figured that out, it made so much sense. lol.
I WANNA SEE DOCTOR GORDON !! IVE BEEN WAITING TO SEE HIM IN SAW 4 BUT IT TURNED OUT HE WAS A NO SHOW :(
November 3rd, 2007 at 1:04 pm
hey guys i just wanted 2 start off by saying saw 4 isnt 4 days after saw 3 because in the beginning the detective says “Its been 6 months and Eric Matthews is still alive Jigsaws never kept his victms that long. And i also cant wait for Saw 5 im really lookin foward i love bloody gorey disgusting torture movies and i just think saw is the best kind of those movies so yea.
November 3rd, 2007 at 4:05 pm
Saw 4 Fan,
The six months that Eric Matthews is kept alive happened between the events of the end of saw 2 and the current events of saw 3, thus making Saw 4 happen either simultaneously or very shortly after saw 3. Think about this. The movie ends up in the same room Saw 3 ended in and Jeff is still in there. He would have died of starvation after 6 months. Rather than the movie being Saw 4 it is more like Saw 3.5
November 3rd, 2007 at 4:13 pm
maybe the discovery of the video cassette in john kramer’s body occurs 4 days after saw 3/saw 4 ends. Something most people can’t seem to understand is that both movies are occuring at the same time. Not back to back but concurrently. Upon leasving the theater I was quite disappointed however now I realize the genious of Part 4. It was very different from any of the prior movies but I think its the best since the original. Yes it has less gore but it has better acting then part 2 (god did I hate the unconvincing acting of Amanda and Xavier) and its smarter than part 3. Best written horror series of all time, without question!
Questions to be answered in parts 5 and 6…
Why is Hoffman involved?
What was written in Amanda Young’s letter in Saw 3 that made her cry?
What became of Dectective Strahm (the one Hoffman locked in the room with the bodies of Amanda and John?
What about Rigg?
Is Dr. Larry Gordon alive? This one I promise you will be YES he is!
What happened to Daniel Matthews (Walberg’s son) and Jeff’s daughter? What about Dr. Gordon’s wife or Rigg’s wife? These questions will likely never be answred because they really aren’t important to the story…
November 3rd, 2007 at 6:33 pm
what happen to detective mathews son he hasn’t been mentioned ever since saw 2 when he got outta the safe and the cops found him hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
November 3rd, 2007 at 9:38 pm
Timeline:
Saw 1
Saw 2
6 months
Saw 3/4
Here’s all of what I’m thinking so far.
Dr. Gordon may or may not be alive. It may or may not be important. I’m not 100% sure, but I think I saw his dead body in Saw 2. As for his wife and daughter, who knows? Maybe his wife will try to find him and get dragged into a game.
Detective Mathews son probably is a little nuts after the whole game thing and adding his dead father to it might make him crazier. In fact, he might even be happy his father is dead now. It’s hard to tell. His character in Saw 2 seemed kind of soft and kind. Still, could he be helping Amanda and Hoffman? Saw 2’s events were on a prerecorded tape, and just because he was found in the safe, doesn’t mean he didn’t put himself there.
Amanda might not be dead. She might have even been instructed (by the mysterious note in the envelope) to take the bullet and play dead, cuz here comes wacky Strahm to play a game. It would be a valid explanation for what was in the envelope. Plus, unless Strahm too is in on it, how else is Hoffman going to get Jigsaw’s body onto the examining table in the first place…
Unless of course, one of the doctors is in on it too. I noticed one of the doctors acting a bit strange during the autopsy. He seemed to “know” something. Maybe he is testing Hoffman. Who knows. Plus, he looked somewhat like one of the cops that was with Hoffman and Rigg when they found Kerry’s body.
Did anybody notice that the “eyes-sewn-shut” guy looked an awful lot like one of the guys that Jigsaw’s wife followed out of the hospital before Cecil came back and stole the drugs/”killed” their baby? I believe we may see more of him. Who was the other guy he was with? Art? Adam (the photographer) from Saw 1? I didn’t get a long enough look.
Hoffman has something to do with Rigg’s wife. He knew that she had wanted Rigg to come with her to her mother’s. She’s probably held captive somewhere for Rigg to look for in Saw 5, since he’s not dead yet either.
I wonder who will find Jeff’s daughter. I can’t imagine her being in any danger. It’s not Jigsaw’s style to do so; however, in Saw 1, why did Amanda need to cut open the stomach of an “innocent” person to get the key to her collar. Why would Jigsaw do that? Maybe that “innocent” person has more to do with the story. And, remember that Hoffman had one of Jeff’s son/daughter’s stuffed animals at the office when Detective Perez asked him about being married. Hoffman definitely knows where Jeff’s daughter is.
As for Jigsaw’s wife, there’s a sh!t-ton more story to reveal about her. I can’t be surprised if she’s in on the whole thing. That’s just too easy.
And what was with the glass coffin of ice/glass that Jigsaw had when his wife left him at the warehouse? I don’t remember seeing that one yet. Oh what fun an ice filled coffin would be for a trap.
Maybe Danny Glover will zombify and kill everyone. Or not…
Anyway, if anyone is interested, please add your thoughts to the mess. Either way, long live the genius Saw movies.
November 4th, 2007 at 10:12 am
ok im a little confused ive seen all the saws,
but if the autophsy is at the end of the movie
how do they get the tape out of his stomach
November 4th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
dear confused,
they got the tape out of his stomach at the end of saw 4. There was nothing on the tape that let to the events of saw 4. it was ment to confuse you so don’t feel bad. what was on the tape will lead to saw 5, or at least that is what appears to be the case. Not conpletely sure myself but that Saw for you. Once you think you have it figured out that throw some new stuff at you.
November 4th, 2007 at 9:28 pm
ok this is prob a silly question but how can he be in the morgue where they cut him open to get the tape and still be in the warehouse where he died and the cop got trapped in the room in the end?? cheers
November 4th, 2007 at 10:08 pm
They didn’t discover Jigsaw’s dead body until after all of the events of the film (Riggs test, Det. Matthews death) have occured. When the door is shut on Rigg Det. Hoffman leaves. Several days later they dicover Jigsaw’s dead body, then they call Hoffman down to the morge to listen to the tape. Saw 5 will be his next test. When the dvd comes out watch part 3 and 4 back to back, it will make sence.
November 4th, 2007 at 11:17 pm
yep..everythings like all over the place..but it definatly makes sense in the end.i was shocked about the whole clown thing..and how it represents his son :| …i think all the characters are all connected in some way. but i dont get how they can drag it on and on although it goes back and forth to 1 , 2, & 3…but i cant complain..its still awesome :)
nice theories guys =) keep it up
November 5th, 2007 at 12:17 am
ok but the cop Strahm was locked in the room by hoffman with all the dead bodies so unless strahm died in the locked room wouldnt they see the link between hoffman jigsaw etc as didnt strahm see him close the door on him??
November 5th, 2007 at 11:09 am
Saw 4 is really Saw 3. Like some of you say it’s Saw 3.5 and not really a 4. The end of Saw 4 are going to lead us into Saw 5 which will be a whole new chapter in the Saw series. For some of you who don’t know, in Saw 2 when Matthews gets kiddnapped by hoffman (WHICH YOU SEE AS A FLASHBACK IN SAW 4) it then takes 6 mouths later for the events of Saw 3 and 4 to go down. Listen: In Saw 4, Hoffman tells Riggs to claim down he’s been missing for 6 mouths. Matthews has been missing for 6 mouths. So Saw 3 and 4 take place 6 mouths after Saw 2. Saw 3 and Saw 4 are going on at the same time. Jeff is going through his game at the same time Riggs is going through his game. At the end they all met up in the same place just at different ends of the factory. Right after Jeff kills Jigsaw, That one FBI agent kills Jeff, and then Hoffman shuts the door behind the FBI Man. With Rigg, Hoffman just said “Game Over” and walked out of the room so Rigg is still alive.
What i don’t get is if Hoffman closed the door on The FBI man. Then how in the hell did they get Jigsaw to the morgue. How many days, weeks, or mouths was it after Hoffman closed the door on the FBI man and got Jigsaw to the morgue.
So what really happened to the FBI man and Riggs?
November 5th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Oh yea and they did say that lady who had her chest tore up was missing for 6 days. So i think after she was killed it was 6 days later. Saw after she was killed the rest of the movie (Saw 3) takes place 6 days later when Jigsaw takes the doctor lady and stuff.
November 5th, 2007 at 3:39 pm
exactly thats what has got me! what happended to the fbi agent (stahm) thats trapped in the room, something must of happened to him as he would know that hoffman was involved and rat on him, maybe it will be revealed in saw 5??
November 5th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
Is anybody STILL confused?
November 6th, 2007 at 12:01 am
Dear Confused,
You really need to pay attention. Strahm didn’t see who closed the door on him. That’s why Hoffman locked him in, so he wouldn’t be discovered. Come on man The movie was complex, but not that complex.
November 6th, 2007 at 8:57 am
if u look on google and type in saw 5 it will bring up release dates and production announcemeants even bout saw6
November 7th, 2007 at 8:23 am
maybe we get to now more about Sthrams friend. why did Jigsaw made a trap for her? maybe we are getting that in Saw 5
November 7th, 2007 at 10:20 am
To: anthony
Yes we all know that Hoffman closed the door on Strahm (FBI Agent) but what has got us, or just me, is, how did Hoffman lock Strahm in the room with Jigsaw and the others and then have Jigsaw’s body at the morgue? Strahm and Jigsaw were locked in the same room together. All I’m saying is Hoffman must have done something to Strahm in order to take Jigsaw’s body out and take it to the moruge. At the end of the movie you just see Jigsaw’s body and not Strahm, so that means that the police didn’t find, have, or know were Strahm was. So the question is?
How did Hoffman get Jigsaw’s body out of the same room Strahm was locked in, and then take it to the moruge?
November 7th, 2007 at 10:23 am
To: anthony
Yes!! we all know that Hoffman closed the door on Strahm (FBI Agent) but what has got us, or just me, is, how did Hoffman lock Strahm in the room with Jigsaw and the others and then have Jigsaw’s body at the morgue? Strahm and Jigsaw were locked in the same room together. All I’m saying is Hoffman must have done something to Strahm in order to take Jigsaw’s body out and take it to the moruge. At the end of the movie you just see Jigsaw’s body and not Strahm, so that means that the police didn’t find, have, or know were Strahm was. So the question is?
How did Hoffman get Jigsaw’s body out of the same room Strahm was locked in, and then take it to the moruge?
November 7th, 2007 at 5:27 pm
Big Dc thats exactly what i am asking how the hell can they get saws body out when strahm was still in, seems that no one knows the answer to that one
November 8th, 2007 at 5:41 am
I is greec so forigve my bad english. You are all cunts!
November 8th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
To SAW FREAK: your a legend! haha
who ever said it was 6 months later is completly wrong. A body like the female detective can’t stay that composed after 6 months.. saw 4 is only a few days after 3.. thats why everyone that didnt die in the end of saw 3 is still alive… like the husband of the female doctor who died due to amanda.
And for the people answering ‘confused’ questions you also a LEGEND. haaha enough said..
i can’t wait for more saw’s some come.. bring it on!
November 9th, 2007 at 1:18 pm
To: Big Dc
Who says Hoffman had anything to do with removing Jigsaw’s body from the room? Why do you assume he took Jigsaw’s body to the morge. Straham found the room and was looked in there so other cops were likely right behind him. The morgue sence could have ben days weeks or even months later. They didn’t nessicarly discove Jigsaw’s body right away. Maybe Straham died in that room. Likely though they found him minutes later.
To: Jiggy
“And for the people answering ‘confused’ questions you also a LEGEND. haaha enough said..”
You are missing a few words in there to make that a coherant sentence. You also a LEGEND. WTF does that mean.
November 10th, 2007 at 6:24 am
when is saw 6 coming out
November 10th, 2007 at 6:36 am
hello anthony….i want to play a game
right now you are breathing in a teribble lung gas which will make your lungs explode in 8 days
the antidote is in “confused2″’s stomach
can you find “cofused2″ and get the antidote in time
live or die…..make your choice
November 12th, 2007 at 12:14 am
oh my god what am i going to do? only 5 days left! i’m fucked! lol
i really have to stop coming here
November 12th, 2007 at 3:33 am
To: Anthony
i am not missing any words..
i said the person replying to ‘confused’ is also a legend haha enough said..
sorry if u dont want to be a legend =P
November 12th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
I have a few answers actually
The glass coffin was a trap that an image was released for, it was a guy in his underwear screaming in the coffin. As for why that scene was cut, or what it pertained to…we don’t know. More than likely a Saw IV directors cut will explain why a pic of a scene that never happened was released.
Hoffman: I really don’t think he’s going to be “tested tested”, as he is currently the apprentice. That being said…if Hoffman placed Kerry in her trap, he was either oblivious to the fact that the trap would kill kerry no matter what, or he too didn’t care if people didn’t learn their lesson. More looking into that is a plausable idea. Also, of course he knows where Jeff’s daughter is, he abducted her. I doubt we find out what happened there. Its not important enough. If anything…I believe Saw V will have flash backs of Jigsaw and Hoffman, going over how he became his apprentice. Thats my idea behind parts of Saw V.
Gordon: Yeah he’s dead. DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD. Cary Elwes is not returning. Move on
Danny Glover’s character: Meh…he’s dead too
Detective Mathews son: Meh…if you’re crazy enough to believe he’s in on it, then don’t look over your shoulder, as the men in the white lab coats are here for you now.
Rigg: Yeah I’m pretty sure he’s dead too
Rigg’s wife: Dude she was never abducted. She went to stay with her mom. No where in the tape does it say about his wife. Move along
Straham…or Staham…meh screw spelling…I’m an engineer, we don’t spell correctly: I liked this guy. He played the character very well. I hope we find out what happened to him. I didn’t like the other FBI character, she got bombed to the face (not sure why though), but I liked Staham…
Jigsaw Autopsy: We’ll find out eventually how he got to the morgue. Probably in my personal opinion, maybe…MAYBE…during the interrogation of Jigsaw’s wife, all interrogations are recorded. The other FBI agent, recovered from the hospital, or just somebody new brought in, could have watched the interrogation tapes, and figured out where he was and what was going on. Gideon? If thats on tape, thats probably not hard to find. Just because you don’t tell people things, in the interrogation room, it was said outloud, hence recorded.
Jill: Oh she’s returning. She just seemed evil…not sure what it was about it. I don’t know if she is evil or not, but I hope she returns.
What I still want answered:
What the hell was with Obi in Saw 2? Why did he help Jigsaw?
What was in that envelope Amanda freaked out at
Who and why did Amanda kill that guy on the ground
Who shot JFK
How much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood.
Seriously though, Saw IV was good. It wasn’t a masterpeice, but it was a strong chapter in the quartology. I look forward to Saw V. Bring on the pain
Necrosis
November 12th, 2007 at 8:14 pm
Thanks Necrosis. After all the questions that followed my post, I was beginning to wonder if anyone even bothered to read my book…. I mean, post.
November 12th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
PS… We know Rigg’s wife “went to her Mom’s,” but Hoffman left the picture of her for Rigg to find later with “she needed you” written on it. What else could that mean? First of all, how did Hoffman know that “she needed” him? Second, it gives Rigg something to do when his role comes up in Saw 5. Of course, who knows?
November 12th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
See I disagree
I think she went to her Mom’s because maybe her mom was ailing or sick? I need to rewatch it.
I just think its more of a he needed to be a better husband, and be more comforting with her.
I don’t think Hoffman abducted her. Quite frankly, that would mean Rigg faced two tests, and thats unfair.
He needed to be a better husband, go with his wife, and hence the trap would never have happened, as his obsession over Mathews would have subsided
Thats what I read out of it
November 12th, 2007 at 11:42 pm
I am a true saw fan but i think the 4th one is stupid. In the first part of the movie it shows the men with the dead jig saw man, cutting him open. Then they found the tape thing in his body, gave it to the bad dectetive the new jigsaw guy. But in the movie it shows that other cop going to the spot where amanda and jigsaw died, and the man from the 3rd movie trys to kill the cop. Wouldnt he have escaped in the first part of the movie, when they found john in that room. Cause they find him, then during the movie it shows the cop killing the guy in the 3rd movie. He would of seen the cops take jigsaw’s body.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:59 am
i love all of you guys talking about this its really turning me on… saw is my fing hero
November 13th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
Tristan
You hate the movie…because you don’t understand a damn thing going on.
Stop being a noob
Read Wikipedia or something for christs sake…
*Shakes head
November 13th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
To: jigsaw getting jiggy with it!!
First of all I said after she got killed (the lady cop who got her chest tore out), the cops found her body six - days - later and not six mouths later.
6 - DAYS - LATER
November 13th, 2007 at 2:57 pm
To: Everybody who thinks Rigg’s wife was taking by Jigsaw
Rigg’s saw his wife’s photo and on the back it said, “She Needed You.”
What could it mean 3 or maybe more things.
Reason # 1: Jigsaw did take Rigg’s wife and hold her hostage, just so Rigg could find her. Rigg mybe thought that if you find Matthews, you fin your wife. If Rigg would have saved Matthews and not went trough that door that killed Matthews, Rigg then would have then been giving the test to find his wife.
(NOTE) The test that Rigg had to go through didn’t seem fare at the end because, if Rigg didn’t go through the door, Matthews would have shoot Rigg. Seen that Rigg did go through the door Matthews is dead. That doesn’t seem fair to me.
Reason # 2: Jigsaw did take his wife and told Hoffman to leave the photo. Hoffman felt sorry for Rigg and left the photo with the note on the back.
Reason # 3: Hoffman just wanted Rigg to go with his wife and not play the game Jigsaw wanted him to at all.
November 13th, 2007 at 3:04 pm
To: anthony
They couldn’t have found Jigsaw’s body mouths later because, if so in the mourge Jigsaw’s body would have looked a little bit decomposed.
So it had to be Days, or one or two weeks tops.
November 13th, 2007 at 3:21 pm
To: jigsaw getting jiggy with it!! and everybody eles
Saw 4 takes place on the same day as of Saw 3/ which the movie Saw 4 agian.
If you don’t believe me then listen.
At the end of Saw 4 in the warehouse that everybodys going to. You see Jeff walking down the hallway. When you see Jeff go into the room and shot Amanda, you see the FBI Agent walking trowards the room at the time of the gun shot. When the door slams shut locking Jeff inside, the FBI Agent then opens the door and Jeff says, “Where’s my daughter?”, Jeff is about to shoot the FBI Agent but the FBI man shoots Jeff first killin Jeff. Right after FBI Agent shoots Jeff, we see Hoffman slam and lock the door with the FBI Agent inside.
SO EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN SAW 4 HAPPENED ON THE SAME DAY SAW 3 WAS GOING ON SIX DAYS AFTER THE WOMEN COP GOT HER CHEST TORE OPEN. SO AFTER THE LADY COP GOT KILLED SAW 4 COMES IN WHEN RIGHT BEFORE THE DOCTOR WOMEN GETS TAKING.
SO THE END OF SAW 3 IS HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME SAW 4 IS ENDING.
November 13th, 2007 at 4:57 pm
To Big DC
(NOTE) The test that Rigg had to go through didn’t seem fare at the end because, if Rigg didn’t go through the door, Matthews would have shoot Rigg. Seen that Rigg did go through the door Matthews is dead. That doesn’t seem fair to me.
Its not fair to you because you are understanding it wrong. Mathews was given a gun to shoot Rigg.
Not if he failed to go through the door…but to try and stop him from going through the door. Point being…Rigg goes through the door…Mathews dies. If Mathews wants to save his life, he has to shoot his best friend, stopping him from coming through the door. The bullet was to stop Rigg…not kill Rigg if Rigg failed to go through the door.
To DC
I truly believe 3 is the correct answer. He doesn’t have his wife. He just doesn’t
Also to Big DC
Jeff is about to shoot the FBI Agent but the FBI man shoots Jeff first killin Jeff. Right after FBI Agent shoots Jeff, we see Hoffman slam and lock the door with the FBI Agent inside.
Thats wrong too
He does threaten the FBI agent…but not with the gun…I thought it was with the circular saw?
My wrong on this.
Necrosis prevails
November 13th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Ok
nevermind…it was a gun
I watched the crappy hacked version my friedn has again
Still…fixed one error at least
November 14th, 2007 at 9:36 am
To: Necrosis
A gun shot can kill you even if it’s just one shot.
If Rigg was about to go through the door and then Matthews shoots him to save himself then Rigg is dead.
Rigg went through the door so then Matthews is dead.
If Rigg whould have just said for get it and didn’t go through the door, then Matthews and Rigg whould be alive and well. - But why would Rigg just say forget it and not go through the door because he is trying to save his friend. If Rigg would have listen to Hoffaman, Matthews would still be alive.
November 14th, 2007 at 9:49 am
Rigg’s test still wasn’t fair because Rigg didn’t know and he didn’t listen. I mean would you listen to somebody who’s telling you to let - it - go when you know in your heart that whoever your looking for is still alive.
Hoffman knew that Rigg felt for Matthews and wanted to save him. Hoffman knew that Matthews was alive. Why hold Matthews hostage anyway why? is it because Matthews still didn’t learn his lession. All Matthews wanted to do was find his son. At least he had felt for his son. I would have kicked Jigsaw’s ass to because you never ever mess with a person’s family. I would have done the same thing Jeff had did also by killing Jigsaw because he was messing with his wife. Justr because a man is sad over the lost of a dead son doesn’t mean you have the right to try and make them stop. For Jigsaw taking Jeff’s daughter, Jigsaw is a Bitc*. Taking little kids thats like something a petafile whould do. Just because your kid is gone your going to mess with somebody Else’s, that’s a puck move right threir. Instead of messing with little kids you should be getting back at the people who hurt you. Which is what Jigsaw did with the guy who killed his baby. But never bring little kids involved and i hate Jigsaw for that.
November 18th, 2007 at 5:38 pm
this movie proved that anyone can film direct its your chose what you want to see and why is your own thing.
November 21st, 2007 at 9:22 am
What I dont get is how everything was perfectly orchestrated and what wouldve happened if someone passed the test…
In the other movies it’s pretty clear that if they pass the test they survive and get to carry on their lives, but the movie could go on since no trap is dependent on the other… In this movie they just mixed up all the traps and the odds of everything coming out as planned just seem very slim…
Think about it: In the 3rd movie, when he swallows the tape, he already knows that Jeff is going to kill him, Rigg will get to the crime scene on time, Mathews would kill Rigg and Rigg would kill the attorney? oh and that Hoffman would get to the room just in time to lock dead-Jeff and Strahm in? That would seem like the only way in which the tape couldve been directed to Detective Hoffman, who survived… and he even states that he knows he’s the last one standing when he says “you thought you’d leve untested†or something like that…
If Rigg had gotten to the building 5 minutes later, he wouldve passed the test and the attorney wouldve released Mathews and the other detective, so all 4 wouldve survived and the tape couldn’t be directed the the one detective that survived, Hoffman… Unless he planned to kill Rigg, Mathews and the attorney anyways but that just doesn’t make sense cause that’s not what jigsaw is about… In addition, if Strahm had gotten to the building at another time, he would not have been able to follow Jeff’s noise up to the room where he’s locked… I guess he also assumes Strahm would shoot Jeff or viceversa, cause maybe they couldve seen each other, identified themselves and ran out of there…
I guess that what I’m saying is that for Jigsaw to have directed that final tape to Detective Hoffman knowing he’d be the only survivor of Rigg and Jeff’s tests required Jigsaw having some sort of magic ball which would read the future… It implied that no one would pass their tests, and that’s what I enjoyed about the other movies, you could sit back and think “he couldve survived if he wanted to and the movie could go onâ€â€¦ not in this one though. It just make the movie less “believableâ€
November 21st, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Jigsaw’s tape to Hoffman said: “IF you’re listening to this.” Jigsaw was a calculating freak, but even he could see the opportunity for his plans to fail. He said “IF.”
November 21st, 2007 at 11:03 pm
i think that rigg is alive but not knowing what he is set up to do in saw 5 and why did they kill jeff if he is deadd the gilmore girl guy
November 27th, 2007 at 11:07 am
to Ookie:
First of all, the movie was NOT reliant upon Hoffman being the only survivor. Jigsaw DID want everyone to pass their tests. Hoffman could continue Jigsaw’s work with everyone else still alive, just like Jigsaw himself continued to work well after his identity was revealed to the police, as is evident in Saw 3. Also, Jeff wasn’t supposed to die. He wasn’t finished with his test, as there might have been a trap leading to the daughter. The comment made by Billy earlier about Straum, saying he would kill an innocent man, could have meant any of the members of Jigsaw’s game except Hoffman himself. If Straum hadn’t killed Jeff, he would have inevitably stumbled onto the warehouse room that held the other players and surely would have popped a cap.
To those wondering about Amanda:
SHE IS DEAD. That was one of the very few sure facts that were released after Saw 3. DEAD. DEAD. DEAD. The creators have never lied to us before.
To those wondering about Dr. Gordon:
I don’t remember who said this, but to the person who claims to have seen his body in the hallway…. where? and in which film? I’ve personally been hoping for a Dr. Gordon return, and I have found no evidence proving his death. He did get out of the bathroom. This means that he might have made it out of the warehouse and possibly gotten help. Eric Matthews was certainly in poor condition and assumed to be dead after the 3rd movie, especially as Amanda had “left him for dead.” He however made a triumphant return in Saw 4. The only problem with the theory of Dr. Gordon’s return is this: Cary Elwes doesn’t seem to want to continue in the franchise. Every other major character has signed on in at least one of the sequels for at least a flashback, but no dice with Gordon. The only hint of a flashback is a closeup of the nameplate on his office and a name on the medical files. Even in the scenes where Adam is in the bathroom in the later films, we don’t see Gordon. I have a feeling that the creators also want to bring him back, otherwise they would have added dialogue that would have confirmed his death. I think the problem here is Cary Elwes.
To everyone:
Any (intelligent) ideas as to what was in Amanda’s envelope? And, no, she couldn’t have been asked to take a bullet and “play dead” since she obviously would NOT know where Jeff would shoot her. Come on, people, seriously.
November 28th, 2007 at 7:17 pm
i agree amanda is dead and thats silly now way to take a bullet and play dead lol but idk the envelope maybe just a note from jigsaw saying you you dissapointed me. by making the traps unfair and un able to make it out of. idk but i really want dr. gordon definetly to come back some how its gunna be hard. but Sawfan 23 is right by saying in all flashbacks of the bathroom they do not show him only his foot. Only showing Adam. I think this will build up his epic return hopefuly lol. did he make it out obv if he is not there but is he alive? we will have to fnd out. later and nothing has been mentioned about his family either? hope he makes a come back
December 14th, 2007 at 5:11 pm
ok ok, this is bad…David Hackl? WOW…I mean he’s good and all but its just Darren Lynn Bousman He is like what made aw, well not littelly James Won did, but whatever. Darren L. Bousman deserves to make Saw 5 and Saw 6. now when u first saw Saw 1 it didnt have any gore or anything (James Won) no one really liked it they said “ok ok so who cares?” Darren Lynn Bousman brought the gore, he brought the blood the action, he brought that “cold chill up your spine” he made you think about the move it was “twisted”. Now that made people say “WOW!Thats incredible, i hope they make a third, did you see that part with the syringes?” If you think about it Saw 4 was GREAT!!!WOW!!!!it left me breathless. now for a (girl) me i can tell anyone saw is the best movie ever. ever. Now we dont want saw going back the way it was the first time do we? i mean sure David hackl may bring the guts the gore. but not as well at DARREN, so heres what they should do….Un sign David, or maybe keep Darren like you know to help him with the parts…But i just dont want saw going down!! Saw is rated i beleive the goriest movie in America, thats the highest a horror/director wants. Darren knows what the fans wanna see. and feel, and exspect to want to see. and he gives it! Davids gonna say “ok ok day 1 people, lets go. come come on, act SCARRYYYY ok?” I AM 10 YEARS OLD!!!!10!!!!!10!!!!!AND I KNOW THIS!!!David is smart, David is smart. I mean like he knows what horror is, and what it means to have that gold chill going up your spine. But he dont know how to take that brain knowledge and put it on a script and on a movie, he dont know. and we wont. Darrent knew how to do it all. and he did. so this is what they’re gonna do. “Lets make saw go down” by giving it to David. i dont mean that Davids gonna bring the movie down where it started, but he probably will bring it down quite a bit. people are gonna say “HEY SAW 5!!!!!…no wait…David Hackl?….no way man. no way. never mind”…and its just a big mistake dont do it.
HUGE SAW FAN!!!
Morgan Hayes
December 14th, 2007 at 7:04 pm
Well, for Mark, the first comment
They say it because Saw IV ends off with you thinking which is what i was saying, what Darren L. Bousman was blessed for. But they left it off with Detective Hoffman saying “Games Over” Now me I think i knows what gonna happen I do. I think that they showed Tobin Bell (Jigsaw/John Kramer) loosing his baby for a reason. Not just to take up space of the movie/film. It was to show something, theres something behind that. I think that they cut the baby out of her, and she never knew, and when they got divorced he got him and he raised him. And she remained not to know about her son and Tobin (Jigsaw). Soo he got his food and supplies from his son! his son was a cop a detective he got money. he spent it on Tobin (Jigsaw) so he could survive BEFORE SHAWNEE SMITH (Amanda) came along.He tought his song his saying his quot “Only You Can Help Yourself.”Then when he got Amanda he let him go for reasons and trained him well so when he passed away and when Amanda passed away or died he’s be there. So when that happened Amanda dies she got shot in Saw 3 by Angus McFaden (Jeff) which was BooHar Soomekh’s husband (Lynn). Tobin Bell (Jigsaw) knew Amanda and he still believed she was not worthy of her life. She just “loved to kill”. Like for example she killed Detective Kerry. She was worthy for her life, she treated it like a “first born”. and even if Amanda made it so she could get out of the trap she would have survived. The reason why she got rid of Dect. Kerry is because she knew she was on to something and didn’t want her to find anything out. and if she did, well then she would be put away and Tobin (Jigsaw) would be on his Death Bed. So in Saw IV it was showing how Amanda had a partner, a man. Dect. Hoffman to help her with her “projects”. And as it said in Saw IV Amanda and Kerry practically weighed the same. Amanda couldnt get her up there by herself. she had someone to help her. “Jigsaw was brains, not bronze”. So that gave them the clue the hint of that she had HELP. someone got her up there. Someone but who? Then sooner in the horrific film you find that Dect. Mathews is still alive! now take the time to think this over. Now Tobin Bell (Jigsaw) never kept anyone alive that long. Well only if they’d rot and there flesh would rot of bones. But they would never find them. NEVER. It was someone else was in on it You got that hint by that you could get that hint by getting the information from Saw 3, Saw 2, and saw 1. When i saw it i thought “Why is he keeping him alive?, Jigsaw would never do that? would he?” Then through out the movie i saw that it wasnt Tobin Bell (Jigsaw) it was Hoffman. Now at the end of the movie. it ends with Hoffman un tying himself walking up to Officer Rigg and saying “Games Over” Like DADDY. then walks away. Get it?
SAWS BIGGEST FAN!!!!
December 16th, 2007 at 12:28 am
okay. yes amanda is most definitely dead.
dr. gordon will come back…he has to. he’s the only like, huge character who hasn’t been confirmed as dead. if they don’t bring him back i will be ever so angry. if not bringing him back actor-wise, at least give some confirmation that he’s dead or alive or something.
as for amanda’s envelope…well, whatever is in it was put in there by hoffman. i think it has something to do with his partnership with jigsaw…cuz after she read it she went all crazy saying, ‘i don’t mean anything to you, i’m just a pawn,’ blah blah….u see what i’m saying? so, idk exactly what would be in it…but something along those lines.
now, for hoffman being jigsaw’s son? awesome twist, and i like the idea but the only reason i think its not true is cuz…hoffman’s kinda old…especially when u put him next to jill? i like how u think though.
all this is why i love the saw movies. you can’t assume ANYTHING!! but yeah…that’s my 2 cents.
*xoxo*
December 17th, 2007 at 8:05 pm
Alright I didn’t read everything that was said.. but I have read the parts of the whole talk about the movies flipping back to the first saw. I doubt that could happen.. since the end of the 3rd one and the 4 th speak volumes against that idea. So I’m going to give you a brief review on the ends of the movie.. feel free to go watch the movie again you can see for yourself. Let me begin at the end of saw 3. Whats happening? Jigsaw is telling amanda not too shoot lynn, she is very important to amanda. Blah blah blah amanda shoots lynn.. lynn falls into her “husbands arms” he comes through the plastic curtian.. shoot amanda in the neck, while jeff and his wife are telling eachother im taking you home etc. Jigsaw begins to explain to amanda how she was the one being tested. The movie explains that through flashback.. watch it if you don’t agree. So now jigsaw is left to tell jeff his options, kill me or set aside your anger and forgive me. Jeff kills jigsaw. What happens? Jeff kills his wife.. and the whole game of jeff finding his daughter is gone. Since jigsaw is dead. Now lets do a quick jump over to saw 4. Saw 4 opens with them doing the odtopsy report on jigsaw. They find the tape. That tape you can see is the same tape in saw 3 which jigsaw pours wax over. Now when they find this tape inside.. his stomach in saw 4.. and the FBI agent hears the recording the games have just begun. The movie begins.. well here is the twist many of you are missing. Go all the way to the end of saw 4 and watch those flash back closely.. you will see the FBI agent going over jeffs foot steps, you see the same boxes jeff opened up during saw 3. Reading the notes jeff left behind as he found his tests, or people who let his son get killed. Then at the very end you see the FBI agent walk into the same room with jeff still alive and jigsaw, amanda and jeffs wife all dead. The fbi agent shoots jeff kills him.. and then we go to were Officer Riggs is.. and dectective hoffman is walking away from the chair he was strapped too.. and tells Officer Riggs Game over. Then u see Dectecitive Hoffman shut the door on the FBI Agent in the same room where Jigsaw and amanda and jeff and his wife are all dead in. Any thing clicking yet??
Here is what you are missing, saw 3 and saw 4 are taking place at the same time. The creators of the Saw triology made a huge movie and basically split it in half.. making it into 2 seperete movies.. Your saying bullshit. Take the first scene of saw 4 make it your last scene and make the last scene of saw 4 your first scene.. and you have saw 3 and 4 playing right along with eachother. Notice you dont see Officer Riggs at all other than in the first crime scene. The rest of the movie he isnt shown.
Notice is Saw 3 Detective Hoffman looks very gulity or like he knows something he isnt sharing while at that first crime scene.
Now with that being said.. Saw 5 is left open not for the hooker or Dr Gordon. You have The FBI agents partner the female who was shot in the face by jigsaws doll, you have the FBI agent still because the actually end to saw 4 is him in the morgue listening to jigsaws tape of the games have just begun. And you have Officer Riggs still alive, its not ruled out he is dead. He is locked or left in the room with dective matthews and that guy who was watching dective matthews and hoffman. Who is also dead. But hoffman walked away telling Riggs game over. Who is the new jigsaw folks??
So In short Saw 5 has many windows such as Hoffmans history as too how he ever joined Jigsaw why? how? when? You have how the cops ever found out about Amanda Young? Watching the 2nd and 3rd you won’t find anything explaining how they knew about Amanda and knowing she couldn’t left Dective Kerry. Alot of things un explained… leaving it open for much much more.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:45 am
i agree hoffman could be a little old but what if the baby actually was born but deformed or something and jigsaw couldnt handle it ? idk just making up stufff
i am really interested to see what game jigsaw has for hofmman will see cant wait!!!!!!
December 25th, 2007 at 1:49 am
The thought of Hoffman being Jigsaws son is not possible. Jigsaw was already around 60 or so when she was pregnant, and obviously Hoffman is close to 40ish. If Hoffman were his son that would make Jigsaw somewhere around 100+ in age. I do like the twist in that scenario, but for that to work, the scenes where Jill is pregnant, Jigsaw would have had to be around the age of 20 something.
I would like to see Dr Gordon return, and not just as the plaque on the wall. And I can see him coming back and getting his revenge when Hoffman’s test either involves taking out Gordon, or Gordon stalks Hoffman the whole movie and saves the day and takes Hoffman out at the last second letting some people live or die.
The only thing that is for certain that will be in the next movie(s), is that all our questions will be answered. Until then, we will just have to wait.
December 26th, 2007 at 1:07 am
saw 5 will explain hoffmans character. that is all!
December 29th, 2007 at 11:53 am
I didn’t read all the feedback here but I do know the daughter that was kidnapped in 3 is still missing.
December 29th, 2007 at 11:09 pm
i used to believe the theory of dr gorden returning was a joke but i was just watching saw 2 and picked something up. in the first scene when Michael is wearing the death mask jigsaw shows a tape of him putting the key behind his eye. but if u look closely u will notice jigsaw has a very large limp and looks like he is dragging his leg. it looks very much like dr gordon trying to walk without his foot. just a thought. have a gander at it!
December 30th, 2007 at 12:50 am
hmm…..i do remember him having a limp. interesting…..
December 30th, 2007 at 12:19 pm
Yes, the dude had a limp, but so did the lawyer in Saw 4. The limp could have been put in Saw 2 to leave open the possibility of Dr. Gordon, but as I said above, it looks like Cary Elwes is not on board for that. This is probably why the lawyer in Saw 4 had a limp, to tie up that loose end left in 2.
December 30th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
I have been thinking, Has David Hackl ever directed a well known populer movie? and if he did what movie caus i have never heard of him as a director, and since i first heard of him, I Know he knew how to make a movies umm objects you know? But him making a movie makes no sence what so ever agree?
December 31st, 2007 at 6:15 pm
yeah but the limp from the lawyer in saw 4 was there because of the game he had already played where he was chained to that device in the middle of the room. thats where i think he picked up his limp from. i understand the problems cary elwes has with the show but i think if they really wanted him back theyd throw enough money at him to take on the part.
December 31st, 2007 at 6:34 pm
btw i also believe hoffman is amandas long lost father. i believe he knew about jigsaws impending game on amanda thats why he wrote the letter. hence she was saying that ahe was just a pawn and such. and if ur thinking why wudnt hoffman help her i think its because he was playing with rigg due to saw 4 happening at the same time as saw 3!
December 31st, 2007 at 7:07 pm
Hey I have a question…
whats are the two guys names in saw IV with det. matthews??
What do you think happens with them?
Who do you think that one that died was?
January 1st, 2008 at 11:45 pm
a couple of questions….how much time elapsed between the time det. Hoffman closed the door on det. Straum, locking him in with the bodies of Jeff, Lynn, Amanda, and especially JIGSAW(who’s now in a morgue)…..and the time that Hoffman walked into the morgue to listen to a tape that was inside Jigsaws stomach?
det. Straum is the only person guaranteed alive in that room…did he die before jigsaw’s body was transported to the morgue??
Are the other bodies in that room in some other morgue?
Saw 5 or as far as saw 6 should answer these questions.
dr gordon will not be back…should not be back…..he has no current connection to det. Hoffman…i mean, whats he going to do with 1 foot…he past his game and has a greater value for his family and his life!!
WHICH IS THE POINT OF JIGSAWS GAMES……TO VALUE WHAT YOU ARE NEGLECTING aka LIFE, FAMILY, LOVE!!(the three things jigsaw lost…his life due to cancer and a car wreck, his baby due to a junkie, and his wife due to his baby dying.)
January 7th, 2008 at 11:25 am
dr.gordon will be back watch.. they will connect it somehow to the new and upcomming saw movies
January 7th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
yea because he can really come back Nasty. obviously you didnt know that he sued lionsgate after they paid him shit after saw 1 was finished.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:09 am
like i said before, even if he doesn’t come back, they need to bring him up again to at least confirm that he’s dead or whatever. they didnt do that in any of them yet.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:20 am
like i said some how they need to bring him up mikee
January 8th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Seeing as how amanda and jigsaw are dead, would 5 and 6 have to take place right after each other or is hoffman fully takeing over? And i dunno who said it but why couldnt Hoffman be tested just like amanda?
January 9th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Johns ex-wife what ever her name is never really seemed to be upset at the fact her baby was killed as compared to how john reacted (I mean by setting up the games and stuff). Also, her getting called in all the time, being questioned about these traps that her ex-husband has been killing people with, she never really seems to get to upset at the fact that the person she wanted to spend the rest of her life with and have a kid with is doing this…she seems to hide her emotions well…. maybe too well…
January 9th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Ok so, after re-watching the ending of saw 4 and thinking a bit, i think i know how stuff might happen:
Jill (John’s ex) is jigsaw, why do i think that?
1)The some-what surgeries - Like with the trap with the key behind the guys eye, Jill would have a bit of back ground at doing this. She’s no brain sergen but i think she would be able to do somewhat simple things like that.
2)As i said above with her emotions
3)Hoffman isnt takeing over, hes the new amanda. And i dont think John would be able to keep makeing people do his work for him while they are really being tested. I think it was someone close to him who will take over. Ok, so for you people who think Hoffman is the new jigsaw, your wrong, watch the ending again( you can skip right to 4:40):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba-TvbkrR0E
He is being tested! It also seems that when he hears the tape found inside of John, it might be the video but it seems like hes breathing harder then normal if you look at his chest. Now, if people are right and that whole part takes part at the very end, leading into saw 5, i think he felt it was over with like the tape says.
plz point out whats wrong with this or info to back it up…
January 11th, 2008 at 11:13 am
jill is the obv choice to be the new jigsaw but i wouldnt wanna see that so it needs to be someone different
January 12th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
I kind of got the feeling that saw 3 and 4 were supposed to be taking place at the same time. Events that happened in 4 seemed to be around the same time other events happened in 3 via the flashbacks. I don’t think they were actually flashbacks I think they were actually trying to show us what happened in 3 leading up to what was currently happening in 4. Anybody agree? As far as Dr, Gordon He’s dead. In Saw 2 you can see him laying in the hallway dead near the end of the film. As far as Saw 5 goes I read in an earlier post back from November that they hacked files about the production. Production was only scheduled to begin in January of 08. I think 5 is going to shock everybody and have a whole new twist to it. Considering the fact that they are getting a new producer or director I forget which one, now we are getting a new persons perspective on the series. Saw 5 could be a prequel to the original or could be made to take place in the same time frame as one of the others. For all anyone knows it could be more sick and twisted than ever before.
January 13th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Yes, saw 3 and 4 took place at the same time, after the Dr. dude got his head smashed by the ice, Hoffmen got up from his chair, and walk in on John and his party all dieing.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Saw 3. Amanda had a key, that looks very similar to one that Kerry(how did she knew all this?) send to Det. Strahm and Det. Perez. Maybe he found that key and escaped ? I wonder what happen in Saw 5. I have so many questions…
January 14th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Another thing…Saw II. Jigsaw had all police files of people locked in the house, Jigsaw knew the exact time when SWAT, Police and Det. Eric M. will come to his hideway, Jigsaw knew everything about people working on his case. I think that Hoffman was helping Jigsaw all the time, especially in the time of Saw II.
January 14th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Awsome (maybe alrdy known) news!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saw_5
Saw 4 will tell us what happened to Jeff’s daughter and explain what the doll dude on the bikes all about!
January 14th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
oooo id also like to see what happened to Art, it would close up soe of the gaps….kinda like the last few movies >.>
January 16th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Things that will be revealed in Saw V
Why hoffman became Jigsaws apprentice
What hoffman wrote to amanda that made her so upset
How did the jigsaws body come out of the room and went to a morgue
what was the test for officer strahm
Hoffman will make a contact with jeffs daugher
Jigsaws ex wife, who she really is
more of Jigsaws past, what happened
What is hoffmans test?
Who is the next Jigsaw
What happened to Officer Rig, Did he survive?
The things i don’t think will happen is
people saying Hoffman is Johns son, it won’t happen. Hes too old for that.
Dr. Gordon. I doubt hes coming back. Even if he survived, why w