Comments on: Germany Bans Bryan Singer Film Shoot Due to Tom Cruise’s Scientology

By: Joxe Arkaitz

Joxe Arkaitz — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:25:27 +0000

It’s hilarious to see how easy is to brainwash people. Tom’s reps keep denying the invented stories about scientology and him. Apparently someone is busy inventing nonsenses and throwing them to the press people. And the funniest thing is that they believe and publish them and part of the public fall in the trap too. I wonder who is crazy here… We have seen so many lies about Tom Cruise published in the last couple of years starting with the placenta story, that I wonder how some people still believe these crazy stories. Any media reporting them should be ashamed. And the people believing them should seriously worry about their mental health.

By: Joxe Arkaitz

Joxe Arkaitz — Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:34:14 +0000

One must always have in mind that nowadays the government is not the people. They are two absolutely different things in most countries.

By: Hugh Cooney

Hugh Cooney — Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:49:41 +0000

You Americans are so close-minded. You think that just because a celebrity endorses something that it is okay. Well guess what it’s not. It is typically American to try and link anything that happens now to the one notable historical event that exists in the American psyche in reference to the place. Well not everything that happens in Germany can be related back to WWII. That’s lazy and bigoted and, dare I say it American.
Well, dudes, maybe you should worry about how your government is supporting a murder machine in Iraq and less about the antics of some pocket-sized brainwashed freak.
Happy fourth of July.

By: Joxe Arkaitz

Joxe Arkaitz — Sat, 07 Jul 2007 23:48:57 +0000

All those german politicians are so short minded. They have a constitution and then they don’t respect it. They don’t respect freedom of thought which by the way is also one of the human rights. No wonder Hitler was able to do what he did. I he came back in germany, maybe these politicians would help him. They have the frame of mind. They are definitely bigots.

By: Thomas

Thomas — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:40:31 +0000

Maybe to add some facts, if anybody is interested (I do have the impression the public debate on this has left the reign of facts a while ago): (1) no shooting permit has been requested by the production company so far, consequently none has been rejected. (2) the German Ministry of Defense (which is quoted in most news items as the source of the supposedly rejected permit) does not own the building all this is about (the “Bendlerblock”) - it is owned by the Ministry of Finance, (3) Scientology has two specific “status features” in Germany that are relevant here: it is considered a commercial organisation (not a “church”), and it is officially under observation by the German “Verfassungsschutz”, which you could translate with a national police unit dedicated to protection constitutional issues. The latter means that there is an initial suspicion that the organisation may be or will be enganged in violating German constitutional rights, such as non-discrimination, freedom of speech, fredom of science, etc. (and yes: the freedom to choose and practice one’s religioun). All this is based on a long history of court cases that have been well documented, and where the arguments pro and against each decision have been discussed. As for the “discrimination” argument raised: Neither of these status decisions means that the ability of the organisation to operate is restricted, they just do not receive the state (e.g. tax) benefits an approved “church” receives and they cannot use the public tax authorities to collect “membership fees”. Hence it can operate in just about the same way as it can, eg, in the US.
So what is it that makes this story such a big thing? Well, nothing, actually, so far…

By: faliklunj

faliklunj — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:47:03 +0000

Yeah, was kind of very unhelpful and just sounded like rambling to me. Am I being dense or am I supposed to derive meaning from that quote? If so, i may require Way more brainwashing than usual.

By: jerry seinfeld

jerry seinfeld — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:03:48 +0000

no, you’re a scientologist, Dr. Krippen.

Here’s what LRH had to say about Catholicism:

â€œYou will find the cross as a symbol all over the universe, and the Christ legend as implant in preclears a million years ago.â€ (L. Ron Hubbard, Professional Auditor Bulletin 31, 1954)

â€œSomebody, somewhere on this planet, back about 600 BC, found some pieces of R6…. And it became what is known as Christianity. Uh, the man on the cross, there was no Christ, but the man on a cross, is shown as every man…. a person can have been crucified, but in R6 he is shown as crucified….. the entirety of Roman Catholicism, the devil and all this sort of thing, that is all part of R6.â€ (L. Ron Hubbard, Class VIII Auditor Course Lectures, 1968)

By: jerry seinfeld

jerry seinfeld — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:03:07 +0000

Iâ€™m Catholic, not a scientologist, but itâ€™s obvious that Germany has committed some secret
crimes that they are afraid Tom Cruise or Scientology could find out about. Scientology
has helped millions of people and L Ron Hubbard is considered a great friend of mankind
all over the world by people of all faiths. Germany is just being suppresive putting some
false datum out there about scientology.

no, you’re a scientologist, Dr. Krippen.

Here’s what LRH had to say about Catholicism:

â€œYou will find the cross as a symbol all over the universe, and the Christ legend as implant in preclears a million years ago.â€ (L. Ron Hubbard, Professional Auditor Bulletin 31, 1954)

By: faliklunj

faliklunj — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:16:59 +0000

Tom is just not getting the message, is he? To be sacked by your film company because of your religion is one thing but to be barred from a country?

The Scientologists like their pet celebrities to be rich, popular and successful. At this rate, he may even be sacked by them, too.

By: Dr Krippen

Dr Krippen — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:38:28 +0000

I’m Catholic, not a scientologist, but it’s obvious that Germany has committed some secret
crimes that they are afraid Tom Cruise or Scientology could find out about. Scientology
has helped millions of people and L Ron Hubbard is considered a great friend of mankind
all over the world by people of all faiths. Germany is just being suppresive putting some
false datum out there about scientology.

By: Bratty

Bratty — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:06:44 +0000

oooo PARIS HILTON can play Eva Braun! Oooh!

By: Bratty

Bratty — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:03:30 +0000

Tom Cruise should also be banned from Germany for just being a talentless hack- Just because Americans bend over to any lame cult doesn’t mean Germany should accept this moron to portray
a heroic man of principle- If Cruise had any scruples or taste he would bow out- but he won’t- cause he’s a freak and doesn’t have any principles- Scientology- I’ve got a degree in Thinkology ! lol

By: Bratty

Bratty — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:56:12 +0000

Tom Cruise is a cancer and should stick to brainwashing young actresses and films with any historical content since he is completely unbelievable in whatever role his picks-

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By: jerry seinfeld

jerry seinfeld — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:10:00 +0000

didn’t we go over this already, terryeo? or are you hoping that people will skip down to the last post without reading any of the others?

germany doesn’t grant scientology religious status.

i repeat. germany doesn’t grant scientology religious status.

wash. rinse. repeat as necessary.

By: Terryeo

Terryeo — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:07:52 +0000

U gotta laugh. Germany’s constitution guarentees freedom of religion. While its governmnet has even banned Microsoft products because of the religion of a subcontractor. U gotta laugh at government thinking.

By: Lucin

Lucin — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:32:53 +0000

Ok. After reading the wikipedia site Pierre linked for me, wow Scientology
is full of mistakes and seems to be geared toward the brain-washing of
the simple minded. That’s based off the stuff I read.

Honestly though while I won’t sit here and say they are evil and need to
be shut down, I will neither boost them as good. While some of their
members and leaders did go to great length to make the “religion”
look better, even far enough to break the law and threaten people.
Every religion has it’s fanatics. Granted Scientology seems to have alot
more of them then any other religion. They also place the celebrity
members as more important than the non-famous, bothers me to no end.

So as a final thought from me on this. Meh, I just stopped caring.

By: Peter Sciretta

Peter Sciretta — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:47:37 +0000

It doesn’t matter if Germany believes that Scientology is a business and not a religion. They are not allowing them to shoot on ground where other movies have shot because of that fact. I could understand if the film was going to promote scientology, but it clearly isn’t. The film is also not being produce or funded by the religion. So to deny them based on the religion of the film’s main star alone is intolerant. And yes, my last comment was meant to be Sensational.

By: Lucin

Lucin — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:46:19 +0000

Thanks Pierre. I appreciate the link and information.

By: Lucin

Lucin — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:43:33 +0000

Finchie: Can you please tell me where someone not associated with
the press can find such information?