Spider-Man 4 Villains Revealed?

Spider-Man's Villains

Some websites are claiming to have the inside word on what villains will be included in Spider-Man 3. FreezeDriedMovies claims that The Lizard, Carnage, and Black Cat will be featured in the upcoming fourth film. Call me a little skeptical, but I think this is bogus. From what I’ve heard, no development has even begun on the fourth film (even though the studio was in talks with David Koepp to write the script).

But then the question becomes: What Villains could be featured in Spider-Man 4? Unfortunately most of the big names in Spider-Man’s rogue gallery have already been used (and killed, for that matter). Let’s take a look at the current contenders.LizardLizardDr. Curt Connors was mentioned briefly in the film Spider-Man, and appeared in both of the sequels, where he was played by actor Dylan Baker. So this makes him the perfect choice for one of the upcoming sequels. The Lizard is one of the most interesting of the unused Spidey villains because in his human state he is a friend and ally of Peter Parker, much like Harry Osbourne was. Connors developed an experimental serum taken from reptilian DNA, which he tested on himself and was subsequently transformed into a reptilian humanoid monster. Peter Parker worked as a teaching assistant to Dr. Connors at Empire State University, although Connors had no idea that Peter was actually Spider-Man.

Odds: 95%

ElectroElectro

An electrician named Maxwell Dillon was repairing a power line, when a freak lightning accident resulted in a mutagenic change in his nervous system, transforming Dillon into a living electrical capacitor which could generate massive quantities of electricity, theoretically up to approximately one million volts. When his body is charged to such levels, he becomes superhumanly strong and fast. Taking the name Electro, he turned to a life of crime. Electro broke into the Daily Bugle Building and stole from J. Jonah Jameson’s safe right in front of him. Jameson accused Spider-Man of being an alternate identity of Electro. This prompted Spider-Man to prove the publisher wrong. Spider-Man was nearly killed when he touched the electrically charged supervillain. In one story-line, Electro tried to take over New York City’s power supply in an attempt at glory and respect.

Odds: 73%

Hydro-ManHydro-Man

Morris Bench worked on a cargo ship until being knocked overboard while a powerful experimental generator was being tested in the ocean. He was transformed into a being of pigmented water, able to control his own liquid body. Hydro-Man has been a frequent antagonist of Spider-Man since his first appearance in 1981. And while not a big recognizable name, he could be used to create some incredible FX filled action sequences. He is also an occasional ally/enemy of the Sandman (for obvious reasons). So if this character was used, Thomas Haden Church could possibly reprise his role to help Spidey defeat Hydro-Man.

Odds: 68%

Mysterio

Mysterio

A disgraced stunt man and special effects artist named Quentin Beck who donned an extravagant and theatrical costume with a crystal ball like helmet (Amazing Spider-Man #13) and sought to discredit and frame Spider-Man using illusions. He also was able to fog the hero’s Spider-Sense with a special gas and used a a chemical abrasive to dissolve his webbing.

Odds: 64%

CarnageCarnage

A combination of Venom symbiote and the serial killer and former cell mate of Eddie Brock, Cletus Kasady. Carnage invades Empire State University and kills a classmate of Peter’s, chip. In the Ultimate universe, Dr. Curt Conners (aka The Lizard) created Carnage using DNA from both himself and Spider-Man. And one must remember that Dr. Connor still has a sample of the Venom symbiote. So it’s very possible that Carnage could be involved in a storyline which also involves The Lizard.

Odds: 46%
ChameleonChameleon

The first supervillain Spider-Man ever faced in print (Amazing Spider-Man #1), Dmitri Smerdyakov was a Russian spy and master of disguise. He uses a variety of traditional, high-tech and biologically enhanced ways to change his appearance, believably imitating almost anyone. He also sought to avenge his brother Kraven the Hunter’s death, to become the most powerful crime boss in New York City.

Odds: 61%

ShockerShocker

Herman Schultz developed a pair of gauntlets capable of throwing incredibly powerful vibrational air blasts. His gold and brown quilted costume protects himself from the vibrations. Schultz used the gauntlets to escape from prison and became the mighty supervillain known as The Shocker. He actually defeated Spider-Man in their first confrontation because Spidey had a broken arm from his earlier battle with the Lizard. The character may be perfect as the B villain in a film with The Lizard. Spider-Man has yet to really suffer a defeat on screen, and that could be interesting.

Odds: 42%

VultureVulture

Also one of Spider-Man’s first villains (The Amazing Spider-Man #2) Adrian Toomes is a former electronics engineer who employs a special harness, a pair of wings worn on his arms, that allows him to fly. The harness also endows him with enhanced strength and somehow increases his lifespan. Other Vultures have included a prison cellmate of Toomes, “Blackie” Drago, and a vengeful university professor who was an expert on bio-mutation named Clifton Shallot. This character could not be the main villain in a future film, possibly a side villain. And I’m pretty sure that an old guy with wings would look ridiculous on the big screen.

Odds: 33%

HobgoblinHobgoblin

A millionaire fashion designer and criminal named Roderick Kingsley acquired the Green Goblin’s weaponry and used them to further his own ambitions. We’ve already had three films of Goblins, I think this character will be held off until the far future.

Odds: 26%

RhinoRhino

A poor immigrant from Russia named Aleksei Sytsevich participated in a Soviet super soldier program that bonded a super-strong polymer to his skin and gave him enhanced strength, speed, and stamina. He’s a dim-witted criminal and usually robs banks and works as an enforcer for more ambitious criminals. This charact has almost no chance of making it to the big screen. If you thought The Thing from The Fantastic Four movies looked stupid, imagine what a guy in a gray Rhino suit would look like.

Odds: 9%

  • B33
    Here's hoping they don't go for three villians again. Let's keep it at 1-2. Anything above that would not give each villian enough screen time.
  • Well they can go with Norman Osborn twin brother "Mad" Jack Osborn.So that Willem Dafoe can be in the new movie and Oscorp need someone to run it. And add Man-Wolf .John Jameson has debuted in SM2,and Mysterio.Then Sam can give us more of his horror.Wait a min. maybe this should be for SM5.Ok SM4 should be vemon who said that he was dead . He is a symbiote life form with a need for survival.And i would love to see Rhino in the begin of the movie you know a 15min fight scene in the opening credits Rhino robbing a bank at the end of the fight spidey is standing on his bad having webbing on Rhino horn then pulling on the web brings Rhino head back and drive him in to the ground and he ride him out until he stop and sign a breath of relief.I think that the Rhino who be cool in a scene like that. Oh let's not forget about "Mad" Jack he gets introduce in 4 but dont find out Norm secret until the end of the movie. Just my thoughts.I'm sure that Sam won't let us down if the Studio leave him alone.After the hit TDK they will leave him alone and let him work his magic.
  • Well done, Peter. Thanks for putting this together. From the list, doesn't look like there's much for Raimi or his successors to choose from. Electro? No way, at least not with that silly costume. As for the others (outside of Carnage, that is), the less said, the better. I do have to admit a certain fondness for Rhino, but that's just nostalgia for my childhood when I used to watch the old SM cartoons religiously.
  • I also admit that the list does not have any huge name characters. And like you said, most of the remaining characters are pretty lame when it comes to the comic books, but one must remember that a movie adaptation could bring new life to some of these old ideas. Like, I can see a fourth film featuring Hydro-man. I mean, he could be used for some cool fx action sequences and like I said, could tie into the sandman storyline. Also the character of Mysterio is also underrated. And sure, the Electro suit is a little much, but they could change all that. The idea for his character, powers, could translate well to a big screen character. Am I wrong?
  • It's with a great sense of relish that I read your entry and gazed (more like lusted) after all the comic covers you included.

    Back in 1968 (tells you how old I am) I had over 1000 comics. Every few months
    I would enter the inner sanctum of my bedroom, close the door so as to prevent
    any non-believers from coming in, then spread the comics out on my bedroom floor, sorting them according to either creator or topic.

    One of them introduced a new hero called Spiderman. Yes, I had the very first Spiderman comic. He didn't even have his own comic back then but was
    introduced as a sideline in another hero's mag.

    Then, when I got married, I gave all of my comics away. Talk about wanting to
    kick myself!
  • Peter, well to me it's about potential rather than name recognition at this point. While you're right that Hydro-Man would give special effects artists a lot to work with, I don't know if we need to see another villain in the Sandman mode, even if Sandman comes back to redeem himself further.

    Admittedly, Mysterio has potential, but he's not a super-powered villain, so I wonder how audiences will react to him. I don't think he could carry an entire movie by himself, though.

    You're right, absolutely right about Electro needing a new costume. Right now he looks like an unmenacing sunflower. But if change the costume too much, comic book fans will cry foul, maybe. Hard to say, since Electro is, at best, a C-list villain.

    On the plus side, Marvel has a huge universe with ton of villains to choose from, so maybe they'll go outside the SM comic books and select another, more viable villain.

    UpperEastSide: you have my sympathies. I've probably collected and sold off my comics 3-4 times now. Just started again early last year. Don't regret it, but storage space is already an issue (living in a one-bedroom will do that to you).
  • What? No love for The Scorpion? Doesn't anyone want to see J. Jonah Jameson hanging from the window of the Daily Bugle with the Scorpion holding on to him with his tail.
  • Nick B
    Do you know how much the Amazing Spiderman #1 goes for???!!! and you had something even better then that! Last I checked it was around 45,000.00 Man I feel your pain!!!
  • zachy Legend
    I say we tie in another superhero, like the time Spiderman fought the Hulk (And won)....I say Hugh Jackman drops by and Wolverine shucks some fit up!
  • rc
    i think that venom is going to be back (i'm pretty sure he wasnt killed off in the 3rd)
  • C4RN4G3
    Dude, he got incinerated BEYOND ashes! There's NO WAY he didn't die! The only part of him that has a possible chance of reapearing is Carnage (via the sample Dr Connors had in the lab). You're probably thinking he used the symbiote's camouflage power from the comics or something, right? If so, why didn't he use it earlier and snap spidey's neck? 'Cause he didn't have that power and because he DID die. I DO wish he didn't die aswell, but how else could they have ended the film? There's no keeping to the comics here, accept it.
  • Ah, I take it, Bosston means this Scorpion?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion

    Not bad as a B-lister, but he definitely can't carry an entire movie as a supervillain. He'd make a better hench-villain.
  • Chris LeMay
    Nobody has mentioned Kraven the Hunter yet....

    Not sure if he would be good in the movies, but if written well, he would be cool to see...
  • C4N4G3
    Yeah, they could get Dolph Lundgren or that guy who played Viktor Krum in Harry Potter to play him - I know, weird choice, but I think they would be good for complicated reasons.
  • sarigar
    bruce campbell could play either mysterio or the chameleon, saying that he's been following spider-man around for years and he wants a match-up. kraven the hunter could be hired to kill spider-man and team up with scorpion and/or electro...vulture could be re-conned for the screen as a younger, deadlier looking serial killer..vermin could be on the loose, the lizard could be thought of as the real killer but is innocent...etc...the list goes on, plenty of potential out there.
  • tv
    no mentions even of kingpin? he's involved with so many villians that he could show up at any time!
  • Colin
    Sandman's Sinister Six?
  • kuv
    What about Hammerhead?

    I have always considered him to be one of his most notable adversaries. One can easily imagine Hugo Weaving's crooked snarl, arching eyebrows and penetrating stare, nailing this villain. His 20's mafia style will also bring a fresh tone in a high-tech saturated setting.

    One vote for the Black Cat approach (no female villains have appeared so far). Another possible approach could be the many-villains-united against Spidey, using new actors for many (lesser) new villains. And yet another approach would be the more dark villains (Morbius, Carrion, etc).
  • C4N4G3
    lol, I can just imagine Al Pacino or someone else from The Godfather as Hammerhead! lmao That would be SO right!
  • kuv
    EDIT:

    Admittedly though, the most apparent and probable suggestion (that is, one using the already info, actors and events) would be Dr.Connor using the symbiote that he already has to develop Carnage.

    And maybe have Gwen turn into the Black Cat? :)
  • rds_works
    How about the Kingpin? this way they could use a lot more villains and just use Kingpin as a scapegoat to not explain them
  • C4N4G3
    They DID put Iron Man in Hulk II, so they COULD use Michael Clark Duncan as the Kingpin again and add Daredevil - Ooh! Superhero teamup! EXCITING!!
  • Zac
    KRAVEN

    Seriously, how could you leave off Kraven?

    One of the more iconic Spidey moments is him climbing out of a grave after being buried alive by the triumphant Villain.

    From a writer's prospective, the story would play out perfectly with the Lizard. Kurt Conner's mutates and is loose in the city. Big name hunter with super human reflexes comes to town to to hunt and kill the lizard, Spidey must protect his friend from the Hunter while Peter must race to discover a cure. The issue compounds when Kraven turns his attentions to Spider-Man.
  • C4N4G3
    Already been done - Spider-man 3: The game.
  • CCC
    VENOM

    there was so much potential to this character, hopefully they bring him back to develop his story further. I felt that the movie should have spent more time in making the audience truly despise him (as a villain). So maybe this time around with Spider-Man 4, they can focus entirely on Venom and work on that "hate" angle. He can get to Parker through those he loves most- MJ (as evident in SM3) and Aunt May. The movie can have a darker feel to it, than the previous 3. IMO, they NEED to this...they cant let SM's greatest arch-nemesis to go down like he did. That was a cheap ending for one of Marvel's greatest villains.

    This is also why they shouldn't bring Carnage into the picture. Theres so much more you can do with Venom. Introducing another alien symbiote would definitely go over the heads of the casual movie goer.
  • CCC
    I also wanted to add that Vulture would be TERRIBLE for the big screen.

    Remember how lame Angel was in X-Men 3.

    I dont know about you guys, but I dont see much excitement in seeing SM battle a guy with feathered wings.
  • I THINK IT SHOULD BE A PART FOUR AND PUT VENOM BACK IN THE
    PICTURE BEACAUSE THEY DID NOT FOCUS ENOUGH ON VENOM AND I
    HOPE THEY WONT PUT CARNAGE IN THE PICTURE AND THEY SHOULD GO DOWN ON THE VILLANS WHAT I MEAN ABOUT THAT IS IT SHOULDBE 1-2 VILLANS IN THE
    MOVIE
  • I totally disagree with you on the Rhino being the last person to appear on the big screen. Imagine having a sunflower headed Electro or a fish bowl headed Mysterio, Rhino has a better chance. Also you forgot to mention Kingpin, which would make the most sense right now. Lets hope they don't do Carnage now, 2 symboites (sp?) is too much. Also no more man characters, this represents the lack of creativity from the old days. I mean Spider-man? Superman, Batman, Sandman, its retarded.
  • DREW
    For god sakes not morlun, spiderman is not about magic for the love of jesus. . .
    i dont think they should do the BLACK CAT, they've already done 2 "love triangles" they dont need any more in 4.
    But what if it IS'NT a triangle? Mary Jane and Peter were somewhat brought together by the death of harry in 3, but they didnt REALLY make up and SAY they were getting back together. Maybe in my sinister six plan, (not that anyone bothered to read it) It is only at the beginning of 5/end of 4 that Peter and Mary Jane get back together. Perhaps in 4Mary Jane starts to date again, she meets hardy sailor Morris Bench (hydro-Man)(just like in the 90s cartoon). Her and Peter separate, each of them becoming lower and lower in thier respective areas. Spiderman popularity begins to fall again due to the combination of the previous "black Suit" fiasco, and over hype of him by the people of NY (in other words they're tired of seeing him everywhere). Mary Jane bounces back into a relationship with practically the first person she finds. He seems like the perfect man at the time, strong, capable of controlling himself, and doesnt carry hthe stress of being involved with a superhero. Thier lack of money starts to break throught the relationship, and Morris starts to become more and more abusive to Mary Jane (this is over a very long time). Meanwhile Peter is left to deal with other supervillains by himself, his only friend becoming his professor, Doctor Conners (the Lizard) and Aunt May. The relationship tension breaks when Peter sees Mary Jane for the first time in months being rough-housed by Morris in the streets/elswhere Peter intervines by knocking out Morris and freeing MJ literaly right before the final climax battle of 4.

    (This is 5 now)
    HYDRO-MAN-Jeremy Renner
    THE RHINO-Ron Pearlman
    Morris Bench is a ship crewman aboard a giant freightor from Russia to the United States. On board are two precious cargos is #1 a new molecular amplefying device invented by the russians during the times of the cold war, #2 in a giant Crate which contains another experiment: Aleksei Mikhailovich Sytsevich (The Rhino). Upon landing, Morris is sent to repair/complete some sort of task on the ship. Before completing his task he is intrigued by the movement of one of the cargo holds (the rhino's). Subsequntly freeing him, The Rhino wreaks havoc on the interior of the ship, and (Of Caurse) activates the molecular devise. In the caurse of the Rhino's rampage, he tears a hole in the ship, sinking it at an unimagineable rate. Debris from the ship, including the devise and Morris are flung into the water while the rest of the sleeping crew drown. The Rhino makes it to the harbor where he is greeted by the police and fire department. He beats the hell out of them, and escapes. After he, and law enforcement leaves, Hydro-Man emerges from the depths of the bay.

    Hydro-Man obviously bares some similarites to the Sandman, but it is thier personalities and motives which are almost completely opposite. Much like Spiderman and Venom. Hydro-Man, like in the comics, is extremely cocky, and full of himself. He believes he can get what he wants, when he wants it, and no one can stop him (which is wht he chooses to get back at Peter for stealing MJ from him). His biggest problem with the Sandman is he believes he is not using his powers to his full potential. This leads to thier eventuall downfall in becoming the Mud Monster, before the Sandman eventually triumphs (in 6)
  • DREW
    i dont think they should do the BLACK CAT, they've already done 2 "love triangles" they dont need any more in 4.
    But what if it IS'NT a triangle? Mary Jane and Peter were somewhat brought together by the death of harry in 3, but they didnt REALLY make up and SAY they were getting back together. Maybe in my sinister six plan, (not that anyone bothered to read it) It is only at the beginning of 5/end of 4 that Peter and Mary Jane get back together. Perhaps in 4Mary Jane starts to date again, she meets hardy sailor Morris Bench (hydro-Man)(just like in the 90s cartoon). Her and Peter separate, each of them becoming lower and lower in thier respective areas. Spiderman popularity begins to fall again due to the combination of the previous "black Suit" fiasco, and over hype of him by the people of NY (in other words they're tired of seeing him everywhere). Mary Jane bounces back into a relationship with practically the first person she finds. He seems like the perfect man at the time, strong, capable of controlling himself, and doesnt carry hthe stress of being involved with a superhero. Thier lack of money starts to break throught the relationship, and Morris starts to become more and more abusive to Mary Jane (this is over a very long time). Meanwhile Peter is left to deal with other supervillains by himself, his only friend becoming his professor, Doctor Conners (the Lizard) and Aunt May. The relationship tension breaks when Peter sees Mary Jane for the first time in months being rough-housed by Morris in the streets/elswhere Peter intervines by knocking out Morris and freeing MJ literaly right before the final climax battle of 4.

    later thinking about it, Hydro Man would be a cool parallel to the Sandman, and maybe they fuse to become the 'MUD MONSTER".

    (This is 5 now)
    HYDRO-MAN-Jeremy Renner
    THE RHINO-Ron Pearlman
    Basically replacing The Chaleleon, Morris Bench is a ship crewman aboard a giant freightor from Russia to the United States. On board are two precious cargos is #1 a new molecular amplefying device invented by the russians during the times of the cold war, #2 in a giant Crate which contains another experiment: Aleksei Mikhailovich Sytsevich (The Rhino). Upon landing, Morris is sent to repair/complete some sort of task on the ship. Before completing his task he is intrigued by the movement of one of the cargo holds (the rhino's). Subsequntly freeing him, The Rhino wreaks havoc on the interior of the ship, and (Of Caurse) activates the molecular devise. In the caurse of the Rhino's rampage, he tears a hole in the ship, sinking it at an unimagineable rate. Debris from the ship, including the devise and Morris are flung into the water while the rest of the sleeping crew drown. The Rhino makes it to the harbor where he is greeted by the police and fire department. He beats the hell out of them, and escapes. After he, and law enforcement leaves, Hydro-Man emerges from the depths of the bay.

    Hydro-Man obviously bares some similarites to the Sandman, but it is thier personalities and motives which are almost completely opposite. Much like Spiderman and Venom. Hydro-Man, like in the comics, is extremely cocky, and full of himself. He believes he can get what he wants, when he wants it, and no one can stop him (which is wht he chooses to get back at Peter for stealing MJ from him). His biggest problem with the Sandman is he believes he is not using his powers to his full potential. This leads to thier eventuall downfall in becoming the Mud Monster, before the Sandman eventually triumphs (in 6)
  • DREW
    -i think movies 5 and 6 should be a two parter featuring the sinister six (with changes in members)

    HERE"S WHY:
    If they keep using villains 2 by 2 or 3 by 3, by the time they get to 6 for the finale, there wont be any good villains left. IF they did Sin6 in 5, there'd be none left for the 6th movie, if they save them all for 6, what could they do in 5? Two parts- in 5, development of characters (villains/ or MOST of them) + spiderman actually defeated (but not dead) in the end. Part two would be the rampage of the villains in all of new york, and the eventual defeat of them all + the birth of May "Mayday" Parker to conclude the films
    VILLAINS

    DOC OCK-Alfred Molina
    The Return. flashback/whatever shows the arms lifting the unconcious Doctor Otto Octavious out of the water of the Hudson. Having learned his lesson from Peter Parker, he returns back to the home of his mother (he is a major momma's boy in the comics) with no money, and the will to live a life free of crime, she is his only support (financially/emotionally) The doctor somehow manages to free himself from the mechanical monsters, but cant throw them away fearing he will be discovered. He then makes another significant scientific discovery. With the hopes of being free of his charges for making such a profound discovery. In a turn of events, #1-he releases his findings and is 100% wrong about whatever it is that he discovered. #2-Another scientist beats him to the punch on teh discovery. #3-another scientist steals his discovery and releases it as his own. (If #2, maybe peter makes the discovery) Otto is then not only humiliated by the scientific community, but the police know hes alive and are now looking for him. And to top it all off, upon finally making it back to his mothers house (its an extremely stormy night) he finds his mother dead near to an electrical poll, lying next to an unconcious ConEdison worker with a name tag that reads Dillon. . .

    ELECTRO-Nathan Fillion
    Maxwell Dillon (oddly enough similar to Doc Ock) has an overly protective mother. Her and her husband are very young in comparison to Max, showing he was an obvious accidental pregnancy when his parnts were teens. After being hassled by his asshole father to move out of the house Max counters with the fact that his father is jobless. Upon the arrival of Dillon at his job at ConEd, it is clear that he suffers from inferiority complex (feels he is and always will be balow others in status + low self esteem) when he is pushed around by his co-workers, and looked down upon by his boss. He wishes "they'll pay one day" but is then pushed around more and forgets the ridiculous idea. A strong summer storm approaches, he is ssent to fix a power line. While working in the middle of the storm, Max mis-steps causing him to fall onto one of the wires he is working on sending thousands of volts of electricity through his body. A half second later, lightning strikes the pole where he is being shocked. The two intence bolts of electricity cancel each other out, but fill Maxwell's body with an explosive charge. Walking home from church a curious Mrs. Octavious sees Dillonget shocked and fall from the pole. After asking the unconcious Dillon if he was alright with no answer, she moves closer. As she touches his neck to check his pulse, she is electrocuted and dies instantly.

    SCORPION-Jason Staham
    After Electro breaks into the daily bugle and steals a large sum of money, JJJ in his infinate wisdom concludes that Electro is really spiderman in a different costume. To Peter's dismay, JJJ hires bulky private investigator Mac Gargan to find Spiderman/"Electro". He is armed in a slightly futuristic looking green army uniform (nothing special). his arsonal of defense includes several poison containing grenades whoes contents are hightly acidic to all surfaces. After confronting spiderman and being relatively quickly defeated he returns to JJJ only to be sent back out again with a higher paycheck. This time he finds some kind of information which leads him to the area of Max's electrocution. Upon knocking on the door of every house in the neighborhood he arrives at teh Octavious home and is abducted by Doc Ock and Electro. All agreeing in thier hatred for spider man, Doc Ock builds Gargan a backpack version of his tentacles containing one arm. Lacking the cybernetic technology to create the AI's like in Doc's arms, the claws and "eye" are replaced with a "stinger" (much like the spike that Ock uses against Spider man In 2)

    (SPIDERMAN 4)
    they've already done 2 "love triangles" they dont need any more in 4.
    But what if it IS'NT a triangle? Mary Jane and Peter were somewhat brought together by the death of harry in 3, but they didnt REALLY make up and SAY they were getting back together. Maybe in my sinister six plan, It is only at the beginning of 5/end of 4 that Peter and Mary Jane get back together. Perhaps in 4Mary Jane starts to date again, she meets hardy sailor Morris Bench (hydro-Man)(just like in the 90s cartoon). Her and Peter separate, each of them becoming lower and lower in thier respective areas. Spiderman popularity begins to fall again due to the combination of the previous "black Suit" fiasco, and over hype of him by the people of NY (in other words they're tired of seeing him everywhere). Mary Jane bounces back into a relationship with practically the first person she finds. He seems like the perfect man at the time, strong, capable of controlling himself, and doesnt carry the stress of being involved with a superhero. Thier lack of money starts to break throught the relationship, and Morris starts to become more and more abusive to Mary Jane (this is over a very long time). Meanwhile Peter is left to deal with other supervillains by himself, his only friend becoming his professor, Doctor Conners (the Lizard) and Aunt May. The relationship tension breaks when Peter sees Mary Jane for the first time in months being rough-housed by Morris in the streets/elswhere Peter intervines by knocking out Morris and freeing MJ literaly right before the final climax battle of 4.

    (This is 5 now)
    HYDRO-MAN-Jeremy Renner
    THE RHINO-Ron Pearlman
    Basically replacing The Chaleleon, Morris Bench is a ship crewman aboard a giant freightor from Russia to the United States. On board are two precious cargos is #1 a new molecular amplefying device invented by the russians during the times of the cold war, #2 in a giant Crate which contains another experiment: Aleksei Mikhailovich Sytsevich (The Rhino). Upon landing, Morris is sent to repair/complete some sort of task on the ship. Before completing his task he is intrigued by the movement of one of the cargo holds (the rhino's). Subsequntly freeing him, The Rhino wreaks havoc on the interior of the ship, and (Of Caurse) activates the molecular devise. In the caurse of the Rhino's rampage, he tears a hole in the ship, sinking it at an unimagineable rate. Debris from the ship, including the devise and Morris are flung into the water while the rest of the sleeping crew drown. The Rhino makes it to the harbor where he is greeted by the police and fire department. He beats the hell out of them, and escapes. After he, and law enforcement leaves, Hydro-Man emerges from the depths of the bay.

    Hydro-Man obviously bares some similarites to the Sandman, but it is thier personalities and motives which are almost completely opposite. Much like Spiderman and Venom. Hydro-Man, like in the comics, is extremely cocky, and full of himself. He believes he can get what he wants, when he wants it, and no one can stop him (which is wht he chooses to get back at Peter for stealing MJ from him). His biggest problem with the Sandman is he believes he is not using his powers to his full potential. This leads to thier eventuall downfall in becoming the Mud Monster, before the Sandman eventually triumphs (in 6)

    SANDMAN-Thomas Haden Church
    The past few years have been better for Flint Marko's family, secretly obtaining different jobs he has been able to support his daughter and has provided money for her continued health. But things have suddenly taken a turn for the worst, her illness has gotten worse and reequires immediate operation for her survival. Flints money was only enough to barley pay for her medication, not even if he used every penny the family owned would he be able to pay for the operation. So he seeks the help of his friend spiderman, but him and mary jane are in a bit of a financial bind themselves. Marko becomes angry but understands and controlls his anger the way peter had taught him. but there is no time and he is desperate, he has steal more money as the last time. He is confronted by spiderman nad given a "you cant do this" speech. Next #1-Sandman gets away but doesnt get there in time. #2 spiderman LETs him go but doesnt get there in time,. #3 Spiderman stopps him from stealing the money, and his daughter dies. Although reluctantly, hte sandman once again becomes an enemy of Spiderman.
  • DREW
    sorry i posted so many times, my computer was telling me that nothing was there
  • G
    Well heres just a thought you know since they've already messed around with the whole comic book storyline. Why dont they go into when spidey starts to mutate and what do audiences like more when to heros go at it and bring in The Punisher. The lizard could also fit in into the script as well. but hey its just a thought.
  • CCC
    ^ nah, we dont need that. that storyline was lame in the Fox animated series and would be even lamer on the big screen.
  • DREW
    what do you suggest then?
  • CCC
    ^ i already suggested something, read a couple posts up
  • CCC
    just to add to my original suggestion....

    - - - - -

    storyline takes place a couple years after the events of 3

    opening scene displays parker & mj's new apartment, looking around the room you see pics, trinkets, photo albums, etc. that show that they've been happily married for some time now.

    mj gets home, checks mail and answering machine...hears something from the room...thinks peter just got home (as spiderman)...she sees spiderman (red costume)...then as she get closer the costume starts changing to black (a la symbiotes ability to mimc clothing) and then the sharp tooth smile slowly appears on the figures face (the whole time venom says nothing).

    scene cuts to a couple hours later....

    parker is seen swinging home (its night time and raining)...he drops in through the ceiling window...its all dark, hears crying, finds the light switch, turns it on, the light appears and mj sees spiderman and screams cuz she thinks its venom again....screams until he takes off his mask. she obviously traumatized as she tries to explain what happened but cant. its assumed that venom assaulted her (wont say how since this is a pg-13 flick).

    opening intros ensue (opening credits, blah, blah, blah)...

    ...i continue more if i have time later

    - - - - -
  • DREW
    in the other post, all of thats pretty much been said, one above is pretty good, i like that the audience has to infer what happened. I'm just thinking now, it would be cool if Dr. Conners attended thier wedding, and began to transform during the ceromony (Peter has seen him change before, and knows the signs) Dr. Conners runns out, Peter has to decide whether to leave or go. He follows the dr. out of the room, the camera stays with the audience of tha mass and there are different shots of thier surprised faces, most start to stare at MJ. After a relatively long silence, The Lizard and Peter (while fighting) burst through one of the walls in the back of the church, thier fighting wreaks havok among the church-goers, and devastates the interior. Peter has to lead the lizard outside before he injures someone, and People start to wonder why Peter is so easily keeping the monster at bay.
  • DREW
    ps the storyline is different than the 90's cartoon, i just used the villains that were in the sinister six in the cartoon (w/ some changes)
  • josh
    yea im new i was just reading yalls stuff yea im not into sm like yall just the movies but what if they made a character up at of then air just a thought
  • josh
    and besides venom become spideys allie in the comics series i think
  • DREW
    they would never make up a character, and yes, spiderman and venom reluctantly team up to defeat carnage
  • DREW
    i can see a mysterio idea, he would have to have a different costume, maybe black pants, a checkered green shirt, and a leather jacket. and he could have all kinds of gadgets hidden under his clothes, Anyway, he could stalk MJ, but is stopped by peter as spiderman, he then hates spiderman, and makes a costume and uses special effects to reproduce his powers. He does lots of bad stuff. Perhaps he messes w/ the lizard after him and spiderman have stopped trying to kill each other, and mysterio as spiderman provokes the lizard into doing bad things, lizard is either not smart enough, or just plain doesnt notice that it is a different spiderman. the lizard thinks he is doing the right thing by obeying a “super hero’s” wishes. Spiderman then has to stop them both.
  • DREW
    Mysterio makes a "spiderman" costume-just to clarify.
    maybe he is stalking MJ b/c she had a big break into a movie, and he is the special effects guy.
  • josh
    yea that makes sense
  • josh
    but i dont think mysterio would be ready for a movie i think someone like hydro man should be in the next movie and have scorpian or somethin as a henchmen
    and what happened to sand man he just blew away in the 3rd one so maybe hell come back
  • DREW
    read what i have on the sinister six/ spiderman 4 above, its got stuff about about hydro-man.
    My version of sinister six also includes scorpion
  • josh
    i think the sinister 6 is a good idea
  • josh
    ok i only got five whos all in the sinister 6??
  • bigd
    Im surprised none of you thought of the idea of 4 and 5 being somewhat of a pair of movies where in 4 it is the revenge of venom(if he actually died where was the body cause those bombs arent gonna vaporize him, hell they couldnt even kill harry and it blew up in his face). a possible cliffhanger ending that looks like spiderman is gonna be defeated. then five starts off right from the end of 4 with spiderman defeating venom. venom goes to jail and then the birth of carnage. carnage reaks havok on the city and whoops spidey. Ending with venom breaking out realizing that he has to stop carnage and teams up with spidey to beat him. then those 2 fight again with venom finally biting the big one
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