Some websites are claiming to have the inside word on what villains will be included in Spider-Man 3. FreezeDriedMovies claims that The Lizard, Carnage, and Black Cat will be featured in the upcoming fourth film. Call me a little skeptical, but I think this is bogus. From what I’ve heard, no development has even begun on the fourth film (even though the studio was in talks with David Koepp to write the script).
But then the question becomes: What Villains could be featured in Spider-Man 4? Unfortunately most of the big names in Spider-Man’s rogue gallery have already been used (and killed, for that matter). Let’s take a look at the current contenders.
LizardDr. Curt Connors was mentioned briefly in the film Spider-Man, and appeared in both of the sequels, where he was played by actor Dylan Baker. So this makes him the perfect choice for one of the upcoming sequels. The Lizard is one of the most interesting of the unused Spidey villains because in his human state he is a friend and ally of Peter Parker, much like Harry Osbourne was. Connors developed an experimental serum taken from reptilian DNA, which he tested on himself and was subsequently transformed into a reptilian humanoid monster. Peter Parker worked as a teaching assistant to Dr. Connors at Empire State University, although Connors had no idea that Peter was actually Spider-Man.
Odds: 95%
Electro
An electrician named Maxwell Dillon was repairing a power line, when a freak lightning accident resulted in a mutagenic change in his nervous system, transforming Dillon into a living electrical capacitor which could generate massive quantities of electricity, theoretically up to approximately one million volts. When his body is charged to such levels, he becomes superhumanly strong and fast. Taking the name Electro, he turned to a life of crime. Electro broke into the Daily Bugle Building and stole from J. Jonah Jameson’s safe right in front of him. Jameson accused Spider-Man of being an alternate identity of Electro. This prompted Spider-Man to prove the publisher wrong. Spider-Man was nearly killed when he touched the electrically charged supervillain. In one story-line, Electro tried to take over New York City’s power supply in an attempt at glory and respect.
Odds: 73%
Hydro-Man
Morris Bench worked on a cargo ship until being knocked overboard while a powerful experimental generator was being tested in the ocean. He was transformed into a being of pigmented water, able to control his own liquid body. Hydro-Man has been a frequent antagonist of Spider-Man since his first appearance in 1981. And while not a big recognizable name, he could be used to create some incredible FX filled action sequences. He is also an occasional ally/enemy of the Sandman (for obvious reasons). So if this character was used, Thomas Haden Church could possibly reprise his role to help Spidey defeat Hydro-Man.
Odds: 68%
Mysterio
A disgraced stunt man and special effects artist named Quentin Beck who donned an extravagant and theatrical costume with a crystal ball like helmet (Amazing Spider-Man #13) and sought to discredit and frame Spider-Man using illusions. He also was able to fog the hero’s Spider-Sense with a special gas and used a a chemical abrasive to dissolve his webbing.
Odds: 64%
Carnage
A combination of Venom symbiote and the serial killer and former cell mate of Eddie Brock, Cletus Kasady. Carnage invades Empire State University and kills a classmate of Peter’s, chip. In the Ultimate universe, Dr. Curt Conners (aka The Lizard) created Carnage using DNA from both himself and Spider-Man. And one must remember that Dr. Connor still has a sample of the Venom symbiote. So it’s very possible that Carnage could be involved in a storyline which also involves The Lizard.
Odds: 46%
Chameleon
The first supervillain Spider-Man ever faced in print (Amazing Spider-Man #1), Dmitri Smerdyakov was a Russian spy and master of disguise. He uses a variety of traditional, high-tech and biologically enhanced ways to change his appearance, believably imitating almost anyone. He also sought to avenge his brother Kraven the Hunter’s death, to become the most powerful crime boss in New York City.
Odds: 61%
Shocker
Herman Schultz developed a pair of gauntlets capable of throwing incredibly powerful vibrational air blasts. His gold and brown quilted costume protects himself from the vibrations. Schultz used the gauntlets to escape from prison and became the mighty supervillain known as The Shocker. He actually defeated Spider-Man in their first confrontation because Spidey had a broken arm from his earlier battle with the Lizard. The character may be perfect as the B villain in a film with The Lizard. Spider-Man has yet to really suffer a defeat on screen, and that could be interesting.
Odds: 42%
Vulture
Also one of Spider-Man’s first villains (The Amazing Spider-Man #2) Adrian Toomes is a former electronics engineer who employs a special harness, a pair of wings worn on his arms, that allows him to fly. The harness also endows him with enhanced strength and somehow increases his lifespan. Other Vultures have included a prison cellmate of Toomes, “Blackie” Drago, and a vengeful university professor who was an expert on bio-mutation named Clifton Shallot. This character could not be the main villain in a future film, possibly a side villain. And I’m pretty sure that an old guy with wings would look ridiculous on the big screen.
Odds: 33%
Hobgoblin
A millionaire fashion designer and criminal named Roderick Kingsley acquired the Green Goblin’s weaponry and used them to further his own ambitions. We’ve already had three films of Goblins, I think this character will be held off until the far future.
Odds: 26%
Rhino
A poor immigrant from Russia named Aleksei Sytsevich participated in a Soviet super soldier program that bonded a super-strong polymer to his skin and gave him enhanced strength, speed, and stamina. He’s a dim-witted criminal and usually robs banks and works as an enforcer for more ambitious criminals. This charact has almost no chance of making it to the big screen. If you thought The Thing from The Fantastic Four movies looked stupid, imagine what a guy in a gray Rhino suit would look like.
Odds: 9%
May 6th, 2007 at 8:25 am
Here’s hoping they don’t go for three villians again. Let’s keep it at 1-2. Anything above that would not give each villian enough screen time.
May 6th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
Well done, Peter. Thanks for putting this together. From the list, doesn’t look like there’s much for Raimi or his successors to choose from. Electro? No way, at least not with that silly costume. As for the others (outside of Carnage, that is), the less said, the better. I do have to admit a certain fondness for Rhino, but that’s just nostalgia for my childhood when I used to watch the old SM cartoons religiously.
May 6th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
I also admit that the list does not have any huge name characters. And like you said, most of the remaining characters are pretty lame when it comes to the comic books, but one must remember that a movie adaptation could bring new life to some of these old ideas. Like, I can see a fourth film featuring Hydro-man. I mean, he could be used for some cool fx action sequences and like I said, could tie into the sandman storyline. Also the character of Mysterio is also underrated. And sure, the Electro suit is a little much, but they could change all that. The idea for his character, powers, could translate well to a big screen character. Am I wrong?
May 6th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
It’s with a great sense of relish that I read your entry and gazed (more like lusted) after all the comic covers you included.
Back in 1968 (tells you how old I am) I had over 1000 comics. Every few months
I would enter the inner sanctum of my bedroom, close the door so as to prevent
any non-believers from coming in, then spread the comics out on my bedroom floor, sorting them according to either creator or topic.
One of them introduced a new hero called Spiderman. Yes, I had the very first Spiderman comic. He didn’t even have his own comic back then but was
introduced as a sideline in another hero’s mag.
Then, when I got married, I gave all of my comics away. Talk about wanting to
kick myself!
May 6th, 2007 at 5:28 pm
Peter, well to me it’s about potential rather than name recognition at this point. While you’re right that Hydro-Man would give special effects artists a lot to work with, I don’t know if we need to see another villain in the Sandman mode, even if Sandman comes back to redeem himself further.
Admittedly, Mysterio has potential, but he’s not a super-powered villain, so I wonder how audiences will react to him. I don’t think he could carry an entire movie by himself, though.
You’re right, absolutely right about Electro needing a new costume. Right now he looks like an unmenacing sunflower. But if change the costume too much, comic book fans will cry foul, maybe. Hard to say, since Electro is, at best, a C-list villain.
On the plus side, Marvel has a huge universe with ton of villains to choose from, so maybe they’ll go outside the SM comic books and select another, more viable villain.
UpperEastSide: you have my sympathies. I’ve probably collected and sold off my comics 3-4 times now. Just started again early last year. Don’t regret it, but storage space is already an issue (living in a one-bedroom will do that to you).
May 6th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
What? No love for The Scorpion? Doesn’t anyone want to see J. Jonah Jameson hanging from the window of the Daily Bugle with the Scorpion holding on to him with his tail.
May 6th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
Do you know how much the Amazing Spiderman #1 goes for???!!! and you had something even better then that! Last I checked it was around 45,000.00 Man I feel your pain!!!
May 6th, 2007 at 6:47 pm
I say we tie in another superhero, like the time Spiderman fought the Hulk (And won)….I say Hugh Jackman drops by and Wolverine shucks some fit up!
May 6th, 2007 at 7:13 pm
i think that venom is going to be back (i’m pretty sure he wasnt killed off in the 3rd)
May 6th, 2007 at 7:17 pm
Ah, I take it, Bosston means this Scorpion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion
Not bad as a B-lister, but he definitely can’t carry an entire movie as a supervillain. He’d make a better hench-villain.
May 6th, 2007 at 7:34 pm
Nobody has mentioned Kraven the Hunter yet….
Not sure if he would be good in the movies, but if written well, he would be cool to see…
May 6th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
bruce campbell could play either mysterio or the chameleon, saying that he’s been following spider-man around for years and he wants a match-up. kraven the hunter could be hired to kill spider-man and team up with scorpion and/or electro…vulture could be re-conned for the screen as a younger, deadlier looking serial killer..vermin could be on the loose, the lizard could be thought of as the real killer but is innocent…etc…the list goes on, plenty of potential out there.
May 6th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
no mentions even of kingpin? he’s involved with so many villians that he could show up at any time!
May 6th, 2007 at 8:34 pm
Sandman’s Sinister Six?
May 7th, 2007 at 12:30 am
What about Hammerhead?
I have always considered him to be one of his most notable adversaries. One can easily imagine Hugo Weaving’s crooked snarl, arching eyebrows and penetrating stare, nailing this villain. His 20’s mafia style will also bring a fresh tone in a high-tech saturated setting.
One vote for the Black Cat approach (no female villains have appeared so far). Another possible approach could be the many-villains-united against Spidey, using new actors for many (lesser) new villains. And yet another approach would be the more dark villains (Morbius, Carrion, etc).
May 7th, 2007 at 1:09 am
EDIT:
Admittedly though, the most apparent and probable suggestion (that is, one using the already info, actors and events) would be Dr.Connor using the symbiote that he already has to develop Carnage.
And maybe have Gwen turn into the Black Cat? :)
May 7th, 2007 at 6:49 am
How about the Kingpin? this way they could use a lot more villains and just use Kingpin as a scapegoat to not explain them
May 7th, 2007 at 7:49 am
KRAVEN
Seriously, how could you leave off Kraven?
One of the more iconic Spidey moments is him climbing out of a grave after being buried alive by the triumphant Villain.
From a writer’s prospective, the story would play out perfectly with the Lizard. Kurt Conner’s mutates and is loose in the city. Big name hunter with super human reflexes comes to town to to hunt and kill the lizard, Spidey must protect his friend from the Hunter while Peter must race to discover a cure. The issue compounds when Kraven turns his attentions to Spider-Man.
May 7th, 2007 at 11:08 am
VENOM
there was so much potential to this character, hopefully they bring him back to develop his story further. I felt that the movie should have spent more time in making the audience truly despise him (as a villain). So maybe this time around with Spider-Man 4, they can focus entirely on Venom and work on that “hate” angle. He can get to Parker through those he loves most- MJ (as evident in SM3) and Aunt May. The movie can have a darker feel to it, than the previous 3. IMO, they NEED to this…they cant let SM’s greatest arch-nemesis to go down like he did. That was a cheap ending for one of Marvel’s greatest villains.
This is also why they shouldn’t bring Carnage into the picture. Theres so much more you can do with Venom. Introducing another alien symbiote would definitely go over the heads of the casual movie goer.
May 7th, 2007 at 11:14 am
I also wanted to add that Vulture would be TERRIBLE for the big screen.
Remember how lame Angel was in X-Men 3.
I dont know about you guys, but I dont see much excitement in seeing SM battle a guy with feathered wings.
May 7th, 2007 at 12:42 pm
I THINK IT SHOULD BE A PART FOUR AND PUT VENOM BACK IN THE
PICTURE BEACAUSE THEY DID NOT FOCUS ENOUGH ON VENOM AND I
HOPE THEY WONT PUT CARNAGE IN THE PICTURE AND THEY SHOULD GO DOWN ON THE VILLANS WHAT I MEAN ABOUT THAT IS IT SHOULDBE 1-2 VILLANS IN THE
MOVIE
May 7th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
I totally disagree with you on the Rhino being the last person to appear on the big screen. Imagine having a sunflower headed Electro or a fish bowl headed Mysterio, Rhino has a better chance. Also you forgot to mention Kingpin, which would make the most sense right now. Lets hope they don’t do Carnage now, 2 symboites (sp?) is too much. Also no more man characters, this represents the lack of creativity from the old days. I mean Spider-man? Superman, Batman, Sandman, its retarded.
May 7th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
For god sakes not morlun, spiderman is not about magic for the love of jesus. . .
i dont think they should do the BLACK CAT, they’ve already done 2 “love triangles” they dont need any more in 4.
But what if it IS’NT a triangle? Mary Jane and Peter were somewhat brought together by the death of harry in 3, but they didnt REALLY make up and SAY they were getting back together. Maybe in my sinister six plan, (not that anyone bothered to read it) It is only at the beginning of 5/end of 4 that Peter and Mary Jane get back together. Perhaps in 4Mary Jane starts to date again, she meets hardy sailor Morris Bench (hydro-Man)(just like in the 90s cartoon). Her and Peter separate, each of them becoming lower and lower in thier respective areas. Spiderman popularity begins to fall again due to the combination of the previous “black Suit” fiasco, and over hype of him by the people of NY (in other words they’re tired of seeing him everywhere). Mary Jane bounces back into a relationship with practically the first person she finds. He seems like the perfect man at the time, strong, capable of controlling himself, and doesnt carry hthe stress of being involved with a superhero. Thier lack of money starts to break throught the relationship, and Morris starts to become more and more abusive to Mary Jane (this is over a very long time). Meanwhile Peter is left to deal with other supervillains by himself, his only friend becoming his professor, Doctor Conners (the Lizard) and Aunt May. The relationship tension breaks when Peter sees Mary Jane for the first time in months being rough-housed by Morris in the streets/elswhere Peter intervines by knocking out Morris and freeing MJ literaly right before the final climax battle of 4.
(This is 5 now)
HYDRO-MAN-Jeremy Renner
THE RHINO-Ron Pearlman
Morris Bench is a ship crewman aboard a giant freightor from Russia to the United States. On board are two precious cargos is #1 a new molecular amplefying device invented by the russians during the times of the cold war, #2 in a giant Crate which contains another experiment: Aleksei Mikhailovich Sytsevich (The Rhino). Upon landing, Morris is sent to repair/complete some sort of task on the ship. Before completing his task he is intrigued by the movement of one of the cargo holds (the rhino’s). Subsequntly freeing him, The Rhino wreaks havoc on the interior of the ship, and (Of Caurse) activates the molecular devise. In the caurse of the Rhino’s rampage, he tears a hole in the ship, sinking it at an unimagineable rate. Debris from the ship, including the devise and Morris are flung into the water while the rest of the sleeping crew drown. The Rhino makes it to the harbor where he is greeted by the police and fire department. He beats the hell out of them, and escapes. After he, and law enforcement leaves, Hydro-Man emerges from the depths of the bay.
Hydro-Man obviously bares some similarites to the Sandman, but it is thier personalities and motives which are almost completely opposite. Much like Spiderman and Venom. Hydro-Man, like in the comics, is extremely cocky, and full of himself. He believes he can get what he wants, when he wants it, and no one can stop him (which is wht he chooses to get back at Peter for stealing MJ from him). His biggest problem with the Sandman is he believes he is not using his powers to his full potential. This leads to thier eventuall downfall in becoming the Mud Monster, before the Sandman eventually triumphs (in 6)
May 7th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
i dont think they should do the BLACK CAT, they’ve already done 2 “love triangles” they dont need any more in 4.
But what if it IS’NT a triangle? Mary Jane and Peter were somewhat brought together by the death of harry in 3, but they didnt REALLY make up and SAY they were getting back together. Maybe in my sinister six plan, (not that anyone bothered to read it) It is only at the beginning of 5/end of 4 that Peter and Mary Jane get back together. Perhaps in 4Mary Jane starts to date again, she meets hardy sailor Morris Bench (hydro-Man)(just like in the 90s cartoon). Her and Peter separate, each of them becoming lower and lower in thier respective areas. Spiderman popularity begins to fall again due to the combination of the previous “black Suit” fiasco, and over hype of him by the people of NY (in other words they’re tired of seeing him everywhere). Mary Jane bounces back into a relationship with practically the first person she finds. He seems like the perfect man at the time, strong, capable of controlling himself, and doesnt carry hthe stress of being involved with a superhero. Thier lack of money starts to break throught the relationship, and Morris starts to become more and more abusive to Mary Jane (this is over a very long time). Meanwhile Peter is left to deal with other supervillains by himself, his only friend becoming his professor, Doctor Conners (the Lizard) and Aunt May. The relationship tension breaks when Peter sees Mary Jane for the first time in months being rough-housed by Morris in the streets/elswhere Peter intervines by knocking out Morris and freeing MJ literaly right before the final climax battle of 4.
later thinking about it, Hydro Man would be a cool parallel to the Sandman, and maybe they fuse to become the ‘MUD MONSTER”.
(This is 5 now)
HYDRO-MAN-Jeremy Renner
THE RHINO-Ron Pearlman
Basically replacing The Chaleleon, Morris Bench is a ship crewman aboard a giant freightor from Russia to the United States. On board are two precious cargos is #1 a new molecular amplefying device invented by the russians during the times of the cold war, #2 in a giant Crate which contains another experiment: Aleksei Mikhailovich Sytsevich (The Rhino). Upon landing, Morris is sent to repair/complete some sort of task on the ship. Before completing his task he is intrigued by the movement of one of the cargo holds (the rhino’s). Subsequntly freeing him, The Rhino wreaks havoc on the interior of the ship, and (Of Caurse) activates the molecular devise. In the caurse of the Rhino’s rampage, he tears a hole in the ship, sinking it at an unimagineable rate. Debris from the ship, including the devise and Morris are flung into the water while the rest of the sleeping crew drown. The Rhino makes it to the harbor where he is greeted by the police and fire department. He beats the hell out of them, and escapes. After he, and law enforcement leaves, Hydro-Man emerges from the depths of the bay.
Hydro-Man obviously bares some similarites to the Sandman, but it is thier personalities and motives which are almost completely opposite. Much like Spiderman and Venom. Hydro-Man, like in the comics, is extremely cocky, and full of himself. He believes he can get what he wants, when he wants it, and no one can stop him (which is wht he chooses to get back at Peter for stealing MJ from him). His biggest problem with the Sandman is he believes he is not using his powers to his full potential. This leads to thier eventuall downfall in becoming the Mud Monster, before the Sandman eventually triumphs (in 6)
May 7th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
-i think movies 5 and 6 should be a two parter featuring the sinister six (with changes in members)
HERE”S WHY:
If they keep using villains 2 by 2 or 3 by 3, by the time they get to 6 for the finale, there wont be any good villains left. IF they did Sin6 in 5, there’d be none left for the 6th movie, if they save them all for 6, what could they do in 5? Two parts- in 5, development of characters (villains/ or MOST of them) + spiderman actually defeated (but not dead) in the end. Part two would be the rampage of the villains in all of new york, and the eventual defeat of them all + the birth of May “Mayday” Parker to conclude the films
VILLAINS
DOC OCK-Alfred Molina
The Return. flashback/whatever shows the arms lifting the unconcious Doctor Otto Octavious out of the water of the Hudson. Having learned his lesson from Peter Parker, he returns back to the home of his mother (he is a major momma’s boy in the comics) with no money, and the will to live a life free of crime, she is his only support (financially/emotionally) The doctor somehow manages to free himself from the mechanical monsters, but cant throw them away fearing he will be discovered. He then makes another significant scientific discovery. With the hopes of being free of his charges for making such a profound discovery. In a turn of events, #1-he releases his findings and is 100% wrong about whatever it is that he discovered. #2-Another scientist beats him to the punch on teh discovery. #3-another scientist steals his discovery and releases it as his own. (If #2, maybe peter makes the discovery) Otto is then not only humiliated by the scientific community, but the police know hes alive and are now looking for him. And to top it all off, upon finally making it back to his mothers house (its an extremely stormy night) he finds his mother dead near to an electrical poll, lying next to an unconcious ConEdison worker with a name tag that reads Dillon. . .
ELECTRO-Nathan Fillion
Maxwell Dillon (oddly enough similar to Doc Ock) has an overly protective mother. Her and her husband are very young in comparison to Max, showing he was an obvious accidental pregnancy when his parnts were teens. After being hassled by his asshole father to move out of the house Max counters with the fact that his father is jobless. Upon the arrival of Dillon at his job at ConEd, it is clear that he suffers from inferiority complex (feels he is and always will be balow others in status + low self esteem) when he is pushed around by his co-workers, and looked down upon by his boss. He wishes “they’ll pay one day” but is then pushed around more and forgets the ridiculous idea. A strong summer storm approaches, he is ssent to fix a power line. While working in the middle of the storm, Max mis-steps causing him to fall onto one of the wires he is working on sending thousands of volts of electricity through his body. A half second later, lightning strikes the pole where he is being shocked. The two intence bolts of electricity cancel each other out, but fill Maxwell’s body with an explosive charge. Walking home from church a curious Mrs. Octavious sees Dillonget shocked and fall from the pole. After asking the unconcious Dillon if he was alright with no answer, she moves closer. As she touches his neck to check his pulse, she is electrocuted and dies instantly.
SCORPION-Jason Staham
After Electro breaks into the daily bugle and steals a large sum of money, JJJ in his infinate wisdom concludes that Electro is really spiderman in a different costume. To Peter’s dismay, JJJ hires bulky private investigator Mac Gargan to find Spiderman/”Electro”. He is armed in a slightly futuristic looking green army uniform (nothing special). his arsonal of defense includes several poison containing grenades whoes contents are hightly acidic to all surfaces. After confronting spiderman and being relatively quickly defeated he returns to JJJ only to be sent back out again with a higher paycheck. This time he finds some kind of information which leads him to the area of Max’s electrocution. Upon knocking on the door of every house in the neighborhood he arrives at teh Octavious home and is abducted by Doc Ock and Electro. All agreeing in thier hatred for spider man, Doc Ock builds Gargan a backpack version of his tentacles containing one arm. Lacking the cybernetic technology to create the AI’s like in Doc’s arms, the claws and “eye” are replaced with a “stinger” (much like the spike that Ock uses against Spider man In 2)
(SPIDERMAN 4)
they’ve already done 2 “love triangles” they dont need any more in 4.
But what if it IS’NT a triangle? Mary Jane and Peter were somewhat brought together by the death of harry in 3, but they didnt REALLY make up and SAY they were getting back together. Maybe in my sinister six plan, It is only at the beginning of 5/end of 4 that Peter and Mary Jane get back together. Perhaps in 4Mary Jane starts to date again, she meets hardy sailor Morris Bench (hydro-Man)(just like in the 90s cartoon). Her and Peter separate, each of them becoming lower and lower in thier respective areas. Spiderman popularity begins to fall again due to the combination of the previous “black Suit” fiasco, and over hype of him by the people of NY (in other words they’re tired of seeing him everywhere). Mary Jane bounces back into a relationship with practically the first person she finds. He seems like the perfect man at the time, strong, capable of controlling himself, and doesnt carry the stress of being involved with a superhero. Thier lack of money starts to break throught the relationship, and Morris starts to become more and more abusive to Mary Jane (this is over a very long time). Meanwhile Peter is left to deal with other supervillains by himself, his only friend becoming his professor, Doctor Conners (the Lizard) and Aunt May. The relationship tension breaks when Peter sees Mary Jane for the first time in months being rough-housed by Morris in the streets/elswhere Peter intervines by knocking out Morris and freeing MJ literaly right before the final climax battle of 4.
(This is 5 now)
HYDRO-MAN-Jeremy Renner
THE RHINO-Ron Pearlman
Basically replacing The Chaleleon, Morris Bench is a ship crewman aboard a giant freightor from Russia to the United States. On board are two precious cargos is #1 a new molecular amplefying device invented by the russians during the times of the cold war, #2 in a giant Crate which contains another experiment: Aleksei Mikhailovich Sytsevich (The Rhino). Upon landing, Morris is sent to repair/complete some sort of task on the ship. Before completing his task he is intrigued by the movement of one of the cargo holds (the rhino’s). Subsequntly freeing him, The Rhino wreaks havoc on the interior of the ship, and (Of Caurse) activates the molecular devise. In the caurse of the Rhino’s rampage, he tears a hole in the ship, sinking it at an unimagineable rate. Debris from the ship, including the devise and Morris are flung into the water while the rest of the sleeping crew drown. The Rhino makes it to the harbor where he is greeted by the police and fire department. He beats the hell out of them, and escapes. After he, and law enforcement leaves, Hydro-Man emerges from the depths of the bay.
Hydro-Man obviously bares some similarites to the Sandman, but it is thier personalities and motives which are almost completely opposite. Much like Spiderman and Venom. Hydro-Man, like in the comics, is extremely cocky, and full of himself. He believes he can get what he wants, when he wants it, and no one can stop him (which is wht he chooses to get back at Peter for stealing MJ from him). His biggest problem with the Sandman is he believes he is not using his powers to his full potential. This leads to thier eventuall downfall in becoming the Mud Monster, before the Sandman eventually triumphs (in 6)
SANDMAN-Thomas Haden Church
The past few years have been better for Flint Marko’s family, secretly obtaining different jobs he has been able to support his daughter and has provided money for her continued health. But things have suddenly taken a turn for the worst, her illness has gotten worse and reequires immediate operation for her survival. Flints money was only enough to barley pay for her medication, not even if he used every penny the family owned would he be able to pay for the operation. So he seeks the help of his friend spiderman, but him and mary jane are in a bit of a financial bind themselves. Marko becomes angry but understands and controlls his anger the way peter had taught him. but there is no time and he is desperate, he has steal more money as the last time. He is confronted by spiderman nad given a “you cant do this” speech. Next #1-Sandman gets away but doesnt get there in time. #2 spiderman LETs him go but doesnt get there in time,. #3 Spiderman stopps him from stealing the money, and his daughter dies. Although reluctantly, hte sandman once again becomes an enemy of Spiderman.
May 7th, 2007 at 8:24 pm
sorry i posted so many times, my computer was telling me that nothing was there
May 8th, 2007 at 1:28 am
Well heres just a thought you know since they’ve already messed around with the whole comic book storyline. Why dont they go into when spidey starts to mutate and what do audiences like more when to heros go at it and bring in The Punisher. The lizard could also fit in into the script as well. but hey its just a thought.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:47 am
^ nah, we dont need that. that storyline was lame in the Fox animated series and would be even lamer on the big screen.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:35 am
what do you suggest then?
May 8th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
^ i already suggested something, read a couple posts up
May 8th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
just to add to my original suggestion….
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storyline takes place a couple years after the events of 3
opening scene displays parker & mj’s new apartment, looking around the room you see pics, trinkets, photo albums, etc. that show that they’ve been happily married for some time now.
mj gets home, checks mail and answering machine…hears something from the room…thinks peter just got home (as spiderman)…she sees spiderman (red costume)…then as she get closer the costume starts changing to black (a la symbiotes ability to mimc clothing) and then the sharp tooth smile slowly appears on the figures face (the whole time venom says nothing).
scene cuts to a couple hours later….
parker is seen swinging home (its night time and raining)…he drops in through the ceiling window…its all dark, hears crying, finds the light switch, turns it on, the light appears and mj sees spiderman and screams cuz she thinks its venom again….screams until he takes off his mask. she obviously traumatized as she tries to explain what happened but cant. its assumed that venom assaulted her (wont say how since this is a pg-13 flick).
opening intros ensue (opening credits, blah, blah, blah)…
…i continue more if i have time later
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May 8th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
in the other post, all of thats pretty much been said, one above is pretty good, i like that the audience has to infer what happened. I’m just thinking now, it would be cool if Dr. Conners attended thier wedding, and began to transform during the ceromony (Peter has seen him change before, and knows the signs) Dr. Conners runns out, Peter has to decide whether to leave or go. He follows the dr. out of the room, the camera stays with the audience of tha mass and there are different shots of thier surprised faces, most start to stare at MJ. After a relatively long silence, The Lizard and Peter (while fighting) burst through one of the walls in the back of the church, thier fighting wreaks havok among the church-goers, and devastates the interior. Peter has to lead the lizard outside before he injures someone, and People start to wonder why Peter is so easily keeping the monster at bay.
May 8th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
ps the storyline is different than the 90’s cartoon, i just used the villains that were in the sinister six in the cartoon (w/ some changes)
May 8th, 2007 at 4:29 pm
yea im new i was just reading yalls stuff yea im not into sm like yall just the movies but what if they made a character up at of then air just a thought
May 8th, 2007 at 4:37 pm
and besides venom become spideys allie in the comics series i think
May 8th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
they would never make up a character, and yes, spiderman and venom reluctantly team up to defeat carnage
May 8th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
i can see a mysterio idea, he would have to have a different costume, maybe black pants, a checkered green shirt, and a leather jacket. and he could have all kinds of gadgets hidden under his clothes, Anyway, he could stalk MJ, but is stopped by peter as spiderman, he then hates spiderman, and makes a costume and uses special effects to reproduce his powers. He does lots of bad stuff. Perhaps he messes w/ the lizard after him and spiderman have stopped trying to kill each other, and mysterio as spiderman provokes the lizard into doing bad things, lizard is either not smart enough, or just plain doesnt notice that it is a different spiderman. the lizard thinks he is doing the right thing by obeying a “super hero’s†wishes. Spiderman then has to stop them both.
May 8th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
Mysterio makes a “spiderman” costume-just to clarify.
maybe he is stalking MJ b/c she had a big break into a movie, and he is the special effects guy.
May 8th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
yea that makes sense
May 8th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
but i dont think mysterio would be ready for a movie i think someone like hydro man should be in the next movie and have scorpian or somethin as a henchmen
and what happened to sand man he just blew away in the 3rd one so maybe hell come back
May 8th, 2007 at 5:51 pm
read what i have on the sinister six/ spiderman 4 above, its got stuff about about hydro-man.
My version of sinister six also includes scorpion
May 8th, 2007 at 6:02 pm
i think the sinister 6 is a good idea
May 8th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
ok i only got five whos all in the sinister 6??
May 8th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
Im surprised none of you thought of the idea of 4 and 5 being somewhat of a pair of movies where in 4 it is the revenge of venom(if he actually died where was the body cause those bombs arent gonna vaporize him, hell they couldnt even kill harry and it blew up in his face). a possible cliffhanger ending that looks like spiderman is gonna be defeated. then five starts off right from the end of 4 with spiderman defeating venom. venom goes to jail and then the birth of carnage. carnage reaks havok on the city and whoops spidey. Ending with venom breaking out realizing that he has to stop carnage and teams up with spidey to beat him. then those 2 fight again with venom finally biting the big one
May 8th, 2007 at 6:15 pm
i don’t really like the symbiotes, it wasnt really a success in 3, and they should just drop it.
my villains were: Doctor Octopus, Electro, Scorpion, Hydro-Man, The Rhino, and Sandman.
rhino and Hydro-man were described in the same paragraph.
also coment if you agree with the actors i have for the roles (you may have to look a few up, remember that there will be some kind of budget, so they cant have A-list stars as every villain, or they’ll spend all the money for f/x on the actors)
May 8th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
ummm i guess but how would carnage be introduced its higley unlikely that a comet from space with symbiote in it would hit new york agin to form carnage but maybe venom tries to develope a partner by stealing the symbiote from dr.conners and
it looses controle and carnage is formed and he goes wild and venom teaming up with spidey to stop carnage
May 8th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
i think all you actors drew are perfect except Jeremy Renner he looks like he wou
play mysterio
May 8th, 2007 at 6:32 pm
i actually thought of that guy b/c he was the asshole in the movie S.W.A.T., and even though he doesnt really look like hydro-man, he played the cocky a-hole really well, and thats wht hydro man is.
Mysterio would have to be older though- David Hyde Pierce?
May 8th, 2007 at 6:38 pm
yea he looks like a mysterio
May 8th, 2007 at 6:42 pm
whts yr opinion of teh sinister six plan? + others
is there any villain you don;t want?
May 8th, 2007 at 6:44 pm
umm idk about doc oc but other than that its a good plan but who are all of the sinister 6??
May 8th, 2007 at 6:46 pm
i listed them above but ill list again:
my villains were: Doctor Octopus, Electro, Scorpion, Hydro-Man, The Rhino, and Sandman.
the rhino and hydro man were listed in the same paragraph
May 8th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
well i dont know about ddoc oc but i like the rest
May 8th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
wht exactly is the problem w/ ock, you dont like that hes returning, or you dont like him as a character?
May 8th, 2007 at 6:53 pm
i like him hes one of my favorites but i dont see how he came back we all saw him drowned himself
May 8th, 2007 at 6:56 pm
well he could have just been uncocious, i mean if they can bring back venom from a grenade he exploded next to i guess anythings possible-harry too
May 8th, 2007 at 6:59 pm
yea but i think that venom you his teleport cuz he had that in a game i think and if a gernade cant kill a man while it blows up in your face (harry) then it cant kill venom and brock
May 8th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
wait, whats teleporting?
May 8th, 2007 at 7:05 pm
umm like moving telepathickly from one place to another so venom must of teleported him venom and brock to like another building or a hideout if venom has teleporting powers
May 8th, 2007 at 7:10 pm
venom cant move telepathicly
since doc Ock’s arms had “minds of thier own” couldn’t they have carried him out of the water?
May 8th, 2007 at 7:14 pm
yea i guess they could of but i could of sworn that he did mybe he can just move really fast yea i think it was that
May 8th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
but still, the bomb was still INSIDE of the symbiote, and how fast exactly are you describing?
b/c yes, he can move fast, but he’s not like the flash or anything. He’s fast for a HUMAN BEING, but that’s it
May 8th, 2007 at 7:25 pm
i say make 4 & 5. but make 4 a straight up villain movie with split between the story lines in the comix Maximum Carnage and Leathal Protector. with spiderman mutating you could drop in some xmen stuff and open up that whole carnage/dr conners connection.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
not that spiderman mutates in MC or LP comix. just another thought.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:27 pm
what do you mean x-man stuff, cause they wouldnt mix franchises
May 8th, 2007 at 7:27 pm
oh o well the sinister 6 is a good idea
May 8th, 2007 at 7:35 pm
sinister six is for 5 and 6 though
May 8th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
kool sounds like a good idea well i be on tommarow
May 8th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
super
May 9th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
so any one got any new plots for sm 4?
May 9th, 2007 at 4:06 pm
well, chamelion could be some kind of crime lord
May 9th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
yea but what about king pin??
May 9th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
they kinda already used him in daredevil
May 9th, 2007 at 5:51 pm
oh well then that sounds good but what about lizard and hydro man??
May 9th, 2007 at 6:09 pm
what about them?
May 10th, 2007 at 9:55 am
is king pin like there leader or something?
May 10th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
not really, kingpin is very flexible though, any “lesser” villain you could pretty much just say he’s a hencman of kingpin Ex/Shocker
May 11th, 2007 at 3:37 pm
i think the lizard and mysterio are the best two, lizard would be personal, mysterio would be personal (if there’s the movie thing w/MJ). They both could provide action. The Lizard would be more action/fighting based fight scenes–>Doc Ock train fight. Mysterio would be more suspenceful and plotting–>Green Goblin (I) fight.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:44 pm
the scene i mentioned with the lizard at Peter’s wedding could work during one of his classes too, with all the other students around. It would be a cool type of aftermath if they showed like “how it was handled”, and they play it off like they would a school shooting in terms of the atmosphere, like everyone is on lock down, and Peter fears he will be discovered or something like that. I still feel that durning the wedding wouls be more psycological though, tampering with emotions and stuff, wondering why peter had left the church.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
no black cat—stupid, very stupid
May 11th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
yea thatsa good idea you should wright these people
May 11th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
write what happens in the movie like i did sinister six?
May 11th, 2007 at 5:55 pm
which is better church or school? If i go with MJ being in relationship with Hydro-Man, then the school would be obviously be the one to choose
May 11th, 2007 at 8:03 pm
OK first of all Mysterio is NOT a good villan for spider man 4 (if they make it) or any other spider man movie and it is reasonable that venom could come back with the symbiote in dr. conners class and if u looked closly after peter blasted venom and along with brock there were some black liquid aka symbiote lying in the floor some how peter jus thot he died and again if u look closely brock was vaporized by the blast u could see his skeleton in the fire blast but with the symbiote,it could travel to dr. conners class aka lizard which would also be understandable and rejoin with the rest of the liquid and escapes to find a new bond which is carnage who i think is more evil because hes a serial killer and i really want venom back but i cant think of a way they could bring him bak so i dont kno if they do then i like the idea that venom and spiderman fight carnage together and electro hes optional i like that idea for electro. An electric villian would be cool. Also hydro-man is also optional and understandable with the sandmans part becus at the end SM3 ofcorse sandman did leave with peace and still he would need money to save his daughter so sandman has to have a part somewhere in the trilogy or it wont make sense. And personally i think venoms badass!! even alot people like him as their favorite villain same with Carnage. so im pretty sure nobody wants to see a dork in a fish bowl, costume aka mysterio.
For Doc. Ock i say hes dead becus when u see him drown u also see the arms are powering out which it dont work no more and for Doc. Ock he literally drowned and died and said “I will not DIE a monster” so i dont kno how they would make sinister six in the last of Spiderman 5 and 6 but u kno movies are always different than books even comics ofcorse and they could change the sinister six a little bit by replacing the villians but with who? i dont kno. Let people decide the new sinister six if they make it. But it would be also understandable for Hobgoblin to appear in one of the spider man movies but not in 4 cus we see goblins already and wants something new that keeps connecting to the story and throughout the story like for example sandman killed peters uncle and later came back the the third movie so every spiderman movie has to connect to each movie and not just make new all of a sudden in my opinion the villains need to connect in a way through the story line.
May 12th, 2007 at 11:51 am
i dont like carnage b/c he has no real connection to spiderman on a personal level, i really think they shoud stop with the symbiotes, b/c they’ll stray away from what spiderman is all about. Another thing, if you read my other posts, i said they would have to change the costume of mysterio. I even described what it would be. Also, they could use him as the Doc Ock figure in the sinister six, as long as Spiderman doesnt kill him in 4.
May 12th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Some websites are claiming to have the inside word on what villains will be included “in Spider-Man 3″ shouldn’t that be 4?
May 12th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
shouldn’t WHAT be 4?
May 13th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
I think yhat rhino should be in one of the far future movies he would be a good side villian because hes huge and strong but not smart you know what im saying like just have spider man defeat him before he defeats the main villian like scorpion he could be a main villian cause hes fast he has a freaken metal scorpion tail i mean like there sayin that rhino has no chance gettin on the big screen thatss crap i rather see rhino than vulture hes like a old bald guy thats demented and has a pair of wings big whoop…and like i think that rhino would be better than hydro man…like the director said that he didnt really like venom so wat makes you think that he’ll like carnage now dont get me wrong i would like to see carnage on the big screen cause hes crazy hes fast hes way better than venom….or electro man i would kinda like to see him but not as much as carnage and rhino…. same wit mysterio man. this is crap like i would love to see lizard man on the big screen too cause he was like wanna my favorites. and ya you no wat i mean like the only thing i hate about carnage that he has a crappy back story but that doesnt really matter.they should have black cat in it and shell have sex wit peter and then maryjane will come in with a buthcer knife and stab black cat and then peter will have sex wit mj(not michael jackson) BUT IM JUST JOKIN. So replie me if you have any better i deas. kk oh and one more thing i think chameleon would look like baltimore on the big screen and then they would be sewed by harry pothea….i mean harry potter.kk
May 13th, 2007 at 4:12 pm
im a little confused do you or dont you want carnage? id rather see hydro-man only a little bit more than The Rhino, but only if they do the thing i mentioned before with him being MJ’s B-friend. Actually, the whole thing I described before has the Rhino and Hydro- man together so whatever. NO BLACK CAT!!! she has no story relovent in the current franchise, Peter is too much in love with MJ to have sex with some other chick, and MJ would never stab someone
May 17th, 2007 at 10:21 am
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May 18th, 2007 at 6:03 pm
Venom, throughout spiderman was never able to make up his mind. While hating Spiderman for destroying his life, he was also known for teaming up with him, and saving women and children. If sony has killed off venom this part of the story wont be able to happen. IF they keep him, the movie will go about 3/4 of the movie fighting spider-man and developing his story, and then carnage will be introduced. Venom and spiderman will be forced to team up and it would be the greatest movie ever made… Thats all there is to say. Kingpin, was destroyed by the daredevil movie. Kraven, was always one of the lamest characters in the marvel universe, who reminded me more of a transexual with a fur fettish than an actual super villain. Venom Carnage and the Lizard are the way to go.
May 18th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
i agree w/ you about Kraven and Kingpin competely, but im just not sure that Venom and Carnage are good enough characters to drive a developed enough story.
May 19th, 2007 at 7:39 am
i want there 2 b e spider man 4
May 19th, 2007 at 7:57 am
there making 4, 5, and 6
May 19th, 2007 at 11:42 pm
Hmmm these all seem good… I like thee sinister 6 idea… but I think the mutated spider idea sounds like a good go too, and as for the vulture… if they did introduce him that would be a perfect way to off the vulture as well, because in one of the series didnt doc connors cure spiderman of his mutations by making vulture absorb his mutated gene?
Now about the symbiotes… if they go the venom route and bring him back, they could go with the “eddie lost his memoery of spidermans real identity” scenario. And if they do the venom route… for the ending of four spidey could send the symbiote into outerspace, and then by some mischance, in space the symbiote could latch onto a meteor and plummet back to earth breaking apart in the atmosphere, (this would be in the beginning of 5) then in comes (dont murder me for forgetting the spelling of his name…) the escaped convict cassidy, who happens upon the other part of the symbiote..if they were to really strech it they could come up with the maximum carnage plot for 6 or so….
May 20th, 2007 at 7:15 am
i dont know, i dont JUST want to see symbiotes for the rest of the trilogy. YOUR AN IDIOT! HIS NAME IS KASSADY WITH A K YOU @#$%n’ MORON!!! jk lol
May 20th, 2007 at 7:38 pm
well i was thinking something like scorpion is in the trilogy and brock and venom get brought back (beacuse if an oscorp bomb blows up in a guys face (harry) and dosent kill him then y would it kill venom and brock. i think brock can find out in this one that he has cancer and hes not strong enough for the symbiotes so it leaves him and finds scorpion to make venom 3 completly skipping venom 2 cuz hes gay…
but thats how ide like to see it
May 21st, 2007 at 5:55 am
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May 23rd, 2007 at 1:58 pm
I cant believe they keep killing off the villians. in the movies instead of killing off Harry they could have had him in that state of cofusion and later on in the next movie have the Hob Goblin come in and take the weapons from him.And the venom thing wasnt played out right instead of having him die as well they could have had him blown off the side of the building and survive and had Carnage come in on the next movie and team up with him. I give Stan Lee credit but he could have really put the story together better!
May 23rd, 2007 at 4:47 pm
well every one knows venom and carnage are enimes duh
May 23rd, 2007 at 5:56 pm
of coarse
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:19 pm
No at one part in the comic book series they teamed up for a little while.Not long but they did.
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:19 pm
well thats not really, well somewhat, but thats not really relovent to me b/c i dont want both of them to be in SM4
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:35 pm
well having carnage on there would be gay and they only teamed up to find mary jane or somethin like that and what would mary jane have done to upset a serial killer????
May 23rd, 2007 at 8:11 pm
exactly
May 24th, 2007 at 5:07 am
I do agree wit you on that. I was just commenting on how he keeps killing off the villins in the movies, first the goblin, then Doc-Oc, then venom and harry well harry wasnt much of a bad guy… dosent really matter caause hes dead now. I dont really care whos in the next movie as long as they make it interesting.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:29 am
your right, they need to be a little more oroginal
May 24th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
I personally would like to see mysterioin the next one. Or even Ryno would be ok, but the costum would be soso like the page said.
May 24th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
id like to see both, Rhino not in the next one, but The Lizard and Mysterio would B cool
May 24th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
i dont think the rhino, the lizard or mysterio are nearly as interesting as venom. Venom is to spiderman what joker is to batman and if they make another one w/o bringing back venom its just gonna be a repeat of what the other movies have been(bad guy arrives, torments city, kidnaps mj spidey kills him) that formula is done. bringing venom back and showing the torment he causes parker and the back and forth fights between the 2 would be awesome. include carnage and all the emo bullshit between parker and mj and you got the basis for the next trilogy and a different take on the movies cause lets face it just bringin new villains and killing them off is old. magneto was never killed off in the xman movies and you grew attached to the relationship with the heroes and villain in those movies. Plus topher grace played brock/venom very well. And if you disagree that venom is spideys ultimate enemy then you didnt follow the comics all to well
May 25th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
i agrre wit bigd but have you seen the spiderman 3 game they changed rynos and scorpions costume i think there cool looking pearsounly speaking of course
but i like the i dea of scorpion appering in this one and venom coming back but brock figuring out he has cancer and the symbiotes think there host is to weak so they go in saerch for a new one which there you have it scorpion witch turns into venom 3 compleltley skipping venom 2 cuz he sucked
May 26th, 2007 at 11:31 am
I wouldnt like to see carnage in the next film..because if they bring carnage
in they would probably bring in Toxin. If they bring in carnage i dont think that the fight scenes would be any good because Spiderman would be trashed!
I dont like the possibility that venom would become a good guy..its like
james bond turning bad!! I like the idea of shocker and Lizard but not Mysterio;
hes just a drama queen
May 26th, 2007 at 11:51 am
why would they have to bring in Toxin? Mysterio may be a drama queen to you but has there been a character like that yet? no, it would be cool and original. i dont really like good Venom either.
May 26th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
yea venoms the best villan but they wouldnt have to bring in toxin be cause in the comic series the burgular killed uncle ben the burgalar and sandman are two diffrent people but now sand man is the burgalar
May 26th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
best villain is a better villain, he has more character.
May 26th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
sorry its like 90 degrees where i am, i meant DOC OCK is the best villain
May 26th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
i would love to see the lizard and carnage and it would definetly make sense according to the comics but i think its a litte too early for a team up for the sinister six,but it would be cool when it happens
May 26th, 2007 at 8:53 pm
What about Kingpin? Maybe Venom could come back?
May 27th, 2007 at 8:20 am
i think its possible we might see a return of Venom. As you said Dr. Connors still has the venom symbiote. It could get lose and BOOM! we have ourselves a new venom. but as u also said they have Carnage.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:47 am
its probably gunna br lizard and carnage
May 28th, 2007 at 10:13 am
i’ve been looking up some ideas in wikipedia, and i think lizard and scorpion might work, J. Jonah Jameson hires Mac gargan to investigate peter parker, and discovers peters identity, john jameson who has a grudge against spiderman tracks down the lizard to find a means of killing peter, and they turn gargan into the scorpion, scorpion is defeated and is exposed to the venom sybiote near the end, the small amount of goo needing time to sit dormant before being able to take over fully. before that happens though he is arrested and locked up with kletus kassidy, and the film is left on a cliffhanger for a potential venom spidey and carnage battle in SM5
May 28th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
porfa ongan a carnash en la peli
May 28th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
They could include Spider-Man/Man-Spider mutation issue
along with the Lizard, because they would go hand in hand, considering both Peter and Conners mutate. After stopping the Lizard from wanting to turn
everyone else into Lizards (no more pain and suffering), Conners in his normal
self would create a cure to heal them both. Another villain such as Carnage
could be in the movie to wreak havok while the other issue is going on.